FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
I have posed this question to the firefox folks, but got no answers. Hoping someone can advise/explain the cause of the problem. I have installed firefox-3.5.2-2.fc11.i586 and flash-plugin-10.0.32.18-release.i386 (from adobe.com). If I browse to a website like youtube, and open a video and after viewing the video, I go on to doing oher things, (without closing the youtube page). After a while i want to play another video. Well, the audio gets stuttered, and then I get a repetitive stutter with lots of echo of the same word/phrase/sound. Only way for me to fix it is to kill firefox and and restart. If someone knows of another flash plugin that does not have this problem, please let me know. Cheers, MK _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
> > If someone knows of another flash plugin that does not have > this problem, please let me know. I know of two other options for Flash support under FF on Linux, but both are worse than Adobe's plugin, in my experience: * gnash: Youtube video and sound work. Many other flash sites fail. * swfdec: Youtube video works, but I get no audio. Many other flash sites fail. I think the problem is that neither gnash nor swfdec support Flash 10 features--I don't know whether 10 represents a new file format, or just some extensions. When the Adobe plugin is installed, FF's about:plugins page lists both Shockwave 9 and Shockwave 10 support, while it only shows 9 with gnash/swfdec. If you want to try them, do a 'yum remove flash-plugin' and then do (for gnash) `yum install gnash gnash-plugin`, or (for swfdec) do `yum install swfdec swfdec-gtk swfdec-mozilla gstreamer-ffmpeg`. I don't know what happens when both are installed at once, you could certainly try it. Make sure to restart FF after installing a new plugin, too. I'm running F11 x86-64, so it's a little different from your setup. Maybe you will get better results than I did. Good luck. -Ryan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
> From: ryan.b.ly...@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:02:19 -0400 > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Subject: Re: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox > > > If someone knows of another flash plugin that does not have > > this problem, please let me know. > > I know of two other options for Flash support under FF on Linux, but both are > worse than Adobe's plugin, in my experience: > > * gnash: Youtube video and sound work. Many other flash sites fail. > > > * swfdec: Youtube video works, but I get no audio. Many other flash sites > fail. > > > I think the problem is that neither gnash nor swfdec support Flash 10 > features--I don't know whether 10 represents a new file format, or just some > extensions. When the Adobe plugin is installed, FF's about:plugins page lists > both Shockwave 9 and Shockwave 10 support, while it only shows 9 with > gnash/swfdec. > > > > > If you want to try them, do a 'yum remove flash-plugin' and then do (for > gnash) `yum install gnash gnash-plugin`, or (for swfdec) do `yum install > swfdec swfdec-gtk swfdec-mozilla gstreamer-ffmpeg`. I don't know what happens > when both are installed at once, you could certainly try it. Make sure to > restart FF after installing a new plugin, too. > > > > > I'm running F11 x86-64, so it's a little different from your setup. Maybe you > will get better results than I did. Good luck. > > -Ryan > Thank you Ryan. I too used to run x86_64 on my Athlon64 system I go tired of having to install the wrappers, which failed more often than I cared to put up with. I just uninstalled adobe flash 10, and installed gnash and gnash-plugin. Will restrart browser and try this. Will let you know how it went in a couple of days, because I need to see if the audio stuttering will happen again. Cheers, MK _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
> From: remotes...@live.com > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Subject: RE: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:52:48 -0700 > > > > > >> From: ryan.b.ly...@gmail.com >> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:02:19 -0400 >> To: fedora-list@redhat.com >> Subject: Re: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox >> >> >> If someone knows of another flash plugin that does not have >> >> this problem, please let me know. >> >> I know of two other options for Flash support under FF on Linux, but both >> are worse than Adobe's plugin, in my experience: >> >> * gnash: Youtube video and sound work. Many other flash sites fail. >> >> >> * swfdec: Youtube video works, but I get no audio. Many other flash sites >> fail. >> >> >> I think the problem is that neither gnash nor swfdec support Flash 10 >> features--I don't know whether 10 represents a new file format, or just some >> extensions. When the Adobe plugin is installed, FF's about:plugins page >> lists both Shockwave 9 and Shockwave 10 support, while it only shows 9 with >> gnash/swfdec. >> >> >> >> >> If you want to try them, do a 'yum remove flash-plugin' and then do (for >> gnash) `yum install gnash gnash-plugin`, or (for swfdec) do `yum install >> swfdec swfdec-gtk swfdec-mozilla gstreamer-ffmpeg`. I don't know what >> happens when both are installed at once, you could certainly try it. Make >> sure to restart FF after installing a new plugin, too. >> >> >> >> >> I'm running F11 x86-64, so it's a little different from your setup. Maybe >> you will get better results than I did. Good luck. >> >> -Ryan >> > > Thank you Ryan. I too used to run x86_64 on my Athlon64 system > I go tired of having to install the wrappers, which failed more often than > I cared to put up with. > > I just uninstalled adobe flash 10, and installed gnash and gnash-plugin. Will > restrart browser and try this. Will let you know how it went > in a couple of days, because I need to see if the audio stuttering will > happen again. > > Cheers, > > MK > > Hi Ryan, So far, gnash-plugin spawns 3 instances of gtk-gnash. Two of the instances consume about 2.0 to 2.3% oc cpu. The third instance consumes about 30% while the video is STOPPED, and it consumes between 80 and 98% of cpu when video is running. And because it consumes so much cpu, the audio gets interrupted quiet often. So you see, that it is quiet a hog! Next, I will try swfdec swfdec-gtk swfdec-mozilla gstreamer-ffmpegas you had suggested. Cheers, MK _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
> From: remotes...@live.com > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:37:40 -0700 > Subject: RE: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox > > > > > >> From: remotes...@live.com >> To: fedora-list@redhat.com >> Subject: RE: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox >> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:52:48 -0700 >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: ryan.b.ly...@gmail.com >>> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:02:19 -0400 >>> To: fedora-list@redhat.com >>> Subject: Re: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox >>> >>> >>> If someone knows of another flash plugin that does not have >>> >>> this problem, please let me know. >>> >>> I know of two other options for Flash support under FF on Linux, but both >>> are worse than Adobe's plugin, in my experience: >>> >>> * gnash: Youtube video and sound work. Many other flash sites fail. >>> >>> >>> * swfdec: Youtube video works, but I get no audio. Many other flash sites >>> fail. >>> >>> >>> I think the problem is that neither gnash nor swfdec support Flash 10 >>> features--I don't know whether 10 represents a new file format, or just >>> some extensions. When the Adobe plugin is installed, FF's about:plugins >>> page lists both Shockwave 9 and Shockwave 10 support, while it only shows 9 >>> with gnash/swfdec. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If you want to try them, do a 'yum remove flash-plugin' and then do (for >>> gnash) `yum install gnash gnash-plugin`, or (for swfdec) do `yum install >>> swfdec swfdec-gtk swfdec-mozilla gstreamer-ffmpeg`. I don't know what >>> happens when both are installed at once, you could certainly try it. Make >>> sure to restart FF after installing a new plugin, too. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm running F11 x86-64, so it's a little different from your setup. Maybe >>> you will get better results than I did. Good luck. >>> >>> -Ryan >>> >> >> Thank you Ryan. I too used to run x86_64 on my Athlon64 system >> I go tired of having to install the wrappers, which failed more often than >> I cared to put up with. >> >> I just uninstalled adobe flash 10, and installed gnash and gnash-plugin. >> Will restrart browser and try this. Will let you know how it went >> in a couple of days, because I need to see if the audio stuttering will >> happen again. >> >> Cheers, >> >> MK >> >> > > Hi Ryan, > So far, gnash-plugin spawns 3 instances of gtk-gnash. > Two of the instances consume about 2.0 to 2.3% oc cpu. > The third instance consumes about 30% while the video is STOPPED, > and it consumes between 80 and 98% of cpu when video is > running. And because it consumes so much cpu, the audio > gets interrupted quiet often. > > So you see, that it is quiet a hog! > > Next, I will try swfdec swfdec-gtk swfdec-mozilla gstreamer-ffmpegas you had > suggested. > > Cheers, > > MK > Hi Ryan - So I also tried wfdec swfdec-gtk swfdec-mozilla gstreamer-ffmpeg In this case, playing a video on youtube I get no audio, and the video itself is slow and jittery. In addition, FF ends up using 98% of cpu. Looks like I am indeed out of options! _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
Coming into this discussion late, but there *is* a Beta version of Flash for x86_64 linux here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html Scroll down to the bottom and you'll find the link to the download. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
If you search for 'leigh123' and 'flash-plugin' and '64 bit' and 'rpm' on fedoraforums.org, there is a very nice RPM and yum repo for Adobe's 64-bit flash-plugin. The packager keeps it reasonably well updated, too. -Ryan On 2009-08-23, John Aldrich wrote: > Coming into this discussion late, but there *is* a Beta version of Flash > for x86_64 linux here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html > > Scroll down to the bottom and you'll find the link to the download. > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- Ryan B. Lynch ryan.b.ly...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:25:03 -0400 > From: ryan.b.ly...@gmail.com > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Subject: Re: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox > > If you search for 'leigh123' and 'flash-plugin' and '64 bit' and 'rpm' > on fedoraforums.org, there is a very nice RPM and yum repo for Adobe's > 64-bit flash-plugin. The packager keeps it reasonably well updated, > too. > > -Ryan > > > On 2009-08-23, John Aldrich wrote: >> Coming into this discussion late, but there *is* a Beta version of Flash >> for x86_64 linux here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html >> >> Scroll down to the bottom and you'll find the link to the download. >> >> -- >> fedora-list mailing list >> fedora-list@redhat.com >> To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list >> Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines >> > > > -- > Ryan B. Lynch > ryan.b.ly...@gmail.com > > -- Well, I am no longer runing 64 bit kernel. Since I migrated to F11, I am using the 32 bit kernel. Also, I did have to resort to the Adobe version 10 flash plugin. AFA cpu load, it seems to have the lowest load: 70% of cpu while a video is playing. As I said in my first post, the trouble with the Adobe flash 10 is this: if I play a video, and after it finishes, I do not close the window. I switch to other tabs or other tasks. If I come back and try to play any other video, or even if I try to replay the same video, I get totally stuttetered sound and then a repetitive echo of some unitelligible sound. Does adobe even know about this problem? I wonder if any graphics chips will provide a flash decoder so that all the host has to do is send the flash stream directly to the graphics controller. Cheers, MK _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
On 2009-08-23, Markus Kesaromous wrote: > Well, I am no longer runing 64 bit kernel. Since I migrated to F11, I am > using the 32 bit kernel. Ah--I did see that, earlier, sorry. The other comment about 64-bit threw me off. > Also, I did have to resort to the Adobe version 10 flash plugin. > AFA cpu load, it seems to have the lowest load: 70% of cpu while > a video is playing. As I said in my first post, the trouble with the > Adobe flash 10 is this: if I play a video, and after it finishes, I do not > close the window. I switch to other tabs or other tasks. If I come > back and try to play any other video, or even if I try to replay > the same video, I get totally stuttetered sound and then a repetitive > echo of some unitelligible sound. Does adobe even know about this problem? I haven't had quite that level of problems--with Adobe 64-bit Flash, I have no major complaints. Full-screen video is slow, but I'm not sure whether Adobe or my Intel GPU is to blame for that. > I wonder if any graphics chips will provide a flash decoder so that > all the host has to do is send the flash stream directly to the graphics > controller. While truly *awesome*, I don't think it will happen. I imagine it would be much, much cheaper and easier for Adobe to fund a couple more programmers on the Linux Flash port, than for anybody to commission a dedicated HW design and incorporate it into GPUs. Adobe underfunds Linux development because of a perceived lack of desktop market share--they don't see enough Linux users to justify the costs. If Linux market share ever grows big enough, Adobe's cheapest option will just be to improve the Linux port. I don't think 3rd parties could build/sell the hardware, either--Adobe seems to have shut down F/OSS Flash 10 implementations (Patents? I don't actually know.). Whatever the cause, though, I think the same cost-evaluation logic applies to 3rd parties: If you could get permission/exemption to implement Flash 10, wouldn't it be cheaper just to improve Adobe's Linux software port, or write your own, rather than design chips? But I could be wrong about the comparative design costs--this is just my wild speculation. -R -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 11:04 -0700, Markus Kesaromous wrote: > I wonder if any graphics chips will provide a flash decoder so that > all the host has to do is send the flash stream directly to the > graphics controller. Potentially that sort of thing might be possible, when you consider that some Flash videos are just a container for playing an ordinary video file within the page. e.g. A MPEG player. However, you have to consider that a lot of Flash usage on the web is designed to make it next to impossible to do anything other than stream the video from their website, to retain their control over their data. I could only foresee limited potential for this. As soon as publishers decide to change their techniques, again, to protect their data, you'd probably have to change playback hardware. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
> From: ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:17:51 +0930 > Subject: RE: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox > > On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 11:04 -0700, Markus Kesaromous wrote: >> I wonder if any graphics chips will provide a flash decoder so that >> all the host has to do is send the flash stream directly to the >> graphics controller. > > Potentially that sort of thing might be possible, when you consider that > some Flash videos are just a container for playing an ordinary video > file within the page. e.g. A MPEG player. > > However, you have to consider that a lot of Flash usage on the web is > designed to make it next to impossible to do anything other than stream > the video from their website, to retain their control over their data. > I could only foresee limited potential for this. As soon as publishers > decide to change their techniques, again, to protect their data, you'd > probably have to change playback hardware. > > -- > [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r > 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 > > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I > read messages from the public lists. > Excellent point Tim. Thanks! Meanwhile, I will try to see if there is a contact at Adobe to tell them about their plugin's bad behaviour. Cheers, MK _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
On 08/23/2009 09:25 AM, Ryan Lynch wrote: If you search for 'leigh123' and 'flash-plugin' and '64 bit' and 'rpm' on fedoraforums.org, there is a very nice RPM and yum repo for Adobe's 64-bit flash-plugin. The packager keeps it reasonably well updated, too. -Ryan On 2009-08-23, John Aldrich wrote: Coming into this discussion late, but there *is* a Beta version of Flash for x86_64 linux here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html Scroll down to the bottom and you'll find the link to the download. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Hi Ryan, I am having a little trouble finding the package you mention. I am also trying to get flashplayer to work with my F11 64 bit machine. cheers, Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
On 02/09/09 14:15, Paul Erickson wrote: --snip-- Hi Ryan, I am having a little trouble finding the package you mention. I am also trying to get flashplayer to work with my F11 64 bit machine. cheers, Paul http://tinyurl.com/n38u9z -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox
On 09/02/2009 06:34 AM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: On 02/09/09 14:15, Paul Erickson wrote: --snip-- Hi Ryan, I am having a little trouble finding the package you mention. I am also trying to get flashplayer to work with my F11 64 bit machine. cheers, Paul http://tinyurl.com/n38u9z Thanks very much. cheers, Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
