Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-06-08 Thread Marc Ferguson
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 2008/5/29 Robert Cahn [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I have updated my desktop using the 64-bit desktop of F9 from F7.  My
  wireless is described by:
 
  00:0a.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan
 chipset
  (rev 01)
  Subsystem: Netgear MA311 802.11b wireless adapter
  Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18
  Memory at e9005000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
  Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
  Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
  Kernel modules: orinoco_pci, hostap_pci
 
  Under F7 the wireless connected without any issues.
 

 Turn off the service network
 Turn on the service NetworkManager

 run the applet nm-applet to control your wireless logins.

 Do not try to make system-config-network work together with NM.

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Hi Paul,

Let me see if I understand.  I should go into the service configuration and
disable network and enable network manager and I should be OK?
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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-06-04 Thread Paul Johnson
2008/5/29 Robert Cahn [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I have updated my desktop using the 64-bit desktop of F9 from F7.  My
 wireless is described by:

 00:0a.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset
 (rev 01)
 Subsystem: Netgear MA311 802.11b wireless adapter
 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18
 Memory at e9005000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
 Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
 Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
 Kernel modules: orinoco_pci, hostap_pci

 Under F7 the wireless connected without any issues.


Turn off the service network
Turn on the service NetworkManager

run the applet nm-applet to control your wireless logins.

Do not try to make system-config-network work together with NM.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-06-03 Thread Marc Ferguson
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 13:46 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
  The NM developers suffer from the delusion
  that NM always works.

 Of course it always works. Says so right here in the man page :-)

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Latest update on mine is that it still doesn't work.  I did post in the
Fedora forums and someone posted this link.

http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerHardware

It looks like there are two drivers possibly conflicting.  My only problem
is I don't know how to verify which drivers are being used and how to
disable or uninstall a driver.  Can you point me in the right direction?
Thanks.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-30 Thread Timothy Murphy
Marc Ferguson wrote:

 I did the iwlist scan and I noticed it did scans for: lo, eth1, wifi0,
 eth0, irda0, and pan0.  My wireless device, according to Network
 Configuration is eth0.  I find that weird; in prior distros wireless
 devices where labeled wlan0, wlan1, etc.
 
 The scan did pick up something for wifi0 and eth0.

What is something?
Did it pick up the AP you are hoping to use?
If so, it seems to me that NM _is_ working.
Do you know what kind of encryption the AP is using?
Did you try clicking on the NM applet in the panel?

IMHO, NM is very, very bad at telling you
where the connection is breaking down
if it does not connect cleanly.

The NM developers suffer from the delusion
that NM always works.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting (F8-Live works)

2008-05-30 Thread Robert Cahn
As A test I downloaded Fedora-8-Live-x86_64 iso.  When I boot from this disk
all the wireless problems go away.  It connects immediately.  In F9 the
services have been changed.  There is a Network Manager but no
NetworkManagerDispatcher.  That would seem to indicate a major rewrite.
This test seems to show that for some of us wireless support is broken.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-30 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 13:46 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 The NM developers suffer from the delusion
 that NM always works.

Of course it always works. Says so right here in the man page :-)

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-29 Thread Matthew Saltzman

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:31 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
  Hi,
  
  The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it:
  
  PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
 
 I should hope so. $PATH is where the Shell looks for commands to
 execute. It's a list of directories to look in.
 
 lspci and friends are in /sbin (or sometimes in /usr/sbin). /sbin/lspci
 etc. will run them. Or do this in .bash_profile:
 
 PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH

Better is 

PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin

There are some programs with the same name in both /bin and /sbin
and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin that behave differently.  If you are a
regular user, you want the /bin and /usr/bin ones, not the /sbin
and /usr/sbim ones.




 
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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-29 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:09 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
 I tried the lspci command, but it says command not found.  I'm
 logged in as root, in the terminal.  Also; ifconfig, iwconfig are not
 found either?  How do I get these back.

How did you log in?  I'm guessing you used su rather than su -.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-29 Thread Marc Ferguson
Yes I did log in using su, what's the difference with the - option?
Well I did get the lspci command to work. I exported it to a text
file. As soon as I get to work I'll post the result. Thanks for the
detailed help. VI is a very cool application, but hard to figure out
at first. I spent a couple minutes in man and vim :help.



On 5/29/08, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:09 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
 I tried the lspci command, but it says command not found.  I'm
 logged in as root, in the terminal.  Also; ifconfig, iwconfig are not
 found either?  How do I get these back.

 How did you log in?  I'm guessing you used su rather than su -.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-29 Thread Mike Burger

 Hi,

 The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it:

 PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin

Add the actual path after what's there, i.e.

PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/search/path/1:/search/path/2

 As for the locate command I got this error:

 locate: can not open '/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db' : No such file or
 directory

As root, run updatedb which will then generate the mlocate.db.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-29 Thread Mike Burger

 Yes I did log in using su, what's the difference with the - option?
 Well I did get the lspci command to work. I exported it to a text
 file. As soon as I get to work I'll post the result. Thanks for the
 detailed help. VI is a very cool application, but hard to figure out
 at first. I spent a couple minutes in man and vim :help.

A simple su gives you root privileges with *your* shell environment,
while su - gives you the full root shell, as if you had logged in at the
console as root.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-29 Thread Marc Ferguson
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Mike Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


  Yes I did log in using su, what's the difference with the - option?
  Well I did get the lspci command to work. I exported it to a text
  file. As soon as I get to work I'll post the result. Thanks for the
  detailed help. VI is a very cool application, but hard to figure out
  at first. I spent a couple minutes in man and vim :help.

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 while su - gives you the full root shell, as if you had logged in at the
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Excellent, thanks for that info.  Here is the result of lspci:

02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset
(rev 01)
Subsystem: Actiontec Electronics Inc Unknown device 2406
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
Memory at f800 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
Kernel modules: orinoco_pci, hostap_pci

What can I learn from this info?  Based on all the threads I'm guessing my
wireless card isn't completely compatible with Fedora 9.  The funny thing is
everything works except for making the actual connection to a wireless
network though.


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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-29 Thread Marc Ferguson
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:22 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
  On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:18 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
   On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 05:15 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:31 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
  Hi,
 
  The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it:
 
  PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin

 I should hope so. $PATH is where the Shell looks for commands to
 execute. It's a list of directories to look in.

 lspci and friends are in /sbin (or sometimes in /usr/sbin).
 /sbin/lspci
 etc. will run them. Or do this in .bash_profile:

 PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH
   
Better is
   
PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin
   
There are some programs with the same name in both /bin and /sbin
and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin that behave differently.  If you are a
regular user, you want the /bin and /usr/bin ones, not the /sbin
and /usr/sbim ones.
  
   Yes, but in the context of the question I'm assuming he's root, when
 you
   want it the other way round.
 
  Fair enough, but if he really is *logged in* as root (in a login shell),
  these should be in his path already.  That's set in /etc/profile.
 
  If he su'd to root without the - (--login) option that would explain his
  problem.

 Correct.

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Yes I did log into root without the hyphen.  Once I logged in using:

su -

I am able to use ifconfig, iwconfig, lspci, etc.  I did post the results of
lspci, but I'm unclear what to do with the information in it.  It doesn't
look like an error occurred, but then again, I don't know what I'm looking
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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-29 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:20 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
 Excellent, thanks for that info.  Here is the result of lspci:
 
 02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan
 chipset
 (rev 01)
 Subsystem: Actiontec Electronics Inc Unknown device 2406
 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
 Memory at f800 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
 Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
 Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
 Kernel modules: orinoco_pci, hostap_pci
 
 What can I learn from this info?  Based on all the threads I'm
 guessing my
 wireless card isn't completely compatible with Fedora 9.  The funny
 thing is
 everything works except for making the actual connection to a wireless
 network though.

You have a Wavelan chipset, which should work using the Orinoco driver
(already detected and loaded by the kernel).

Now try 'iwlist scan' (again, as root). If the card works physically you
should see a list of nearby access points. That means there is a strong
chance of being able to get it to work, you just have to configure it
correctly :-)

Also, make sure the radio is physically turned on! On some laptops (e.g.
Toshibas) there's a small switch to turn it on and off.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-29 Thread Marc Ferguson
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:20 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
  Excellent, thanks for that info.  Here is the result of lspci:
 
  02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan
  chipset
  (rev 01)
  Subsystem: Actiontec Electronics Inc Unknown device 2406
  Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
  Memory at f800 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
  Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
  Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
  Kernel modules: orinoco_pci, hostap_pci
 
  What can I learn from this info?  Based on all the threads I'm
  guessing my
  wireless card isn't completely compatible with Fedora 9.  The funny
  thing is
  everything works except for making the actual connection to a wireless
  network though.

 You have a Wavelan chipset, which should work using the Orinoco driver
 (already detected and loaded by the kernel).

 Now try 'iwlist scan' (again, as root). If the card works physically you
 should see a list of nearby access points. That means there is a strong
 chance of being able to get it to work, you just have to configure it
 correctly :-)

 Also, make sure the radio is physically turned on! On some laptops (e.g.
 Toshibas) there's a small switch to turn it on and off.

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Hi,

I did the iwlist scan and I noticed it did scans for: lo, eth1, wifi0,
eth0, irda0, and pan0.  My wireless device, according to Network
Configuration is eth0.  I find that weird; in prior distros wireless devices
where labeled wlan0, wlan1, etc.

The scan did pick up something for wifi0 and eth0.  Does that mean that they
are conflicting in some way?  Overall; it looks like NetworkManager isn't
playing nice with my wireless card and I'll have to do manual scans and
configuring in order to get it to work?
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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-29 Thread Robert Cahn
I have updated my desktop using the 64-bit desktop of F9 from F7.  My
wireless is described by:

00:0a.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset
(rev 01)
Subsystem: Netgear MA311 802.11b wireless adapter
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18
Memory at e9005000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
Kernel modules: orinoco_pci, hostap_pci

Under F7 the wireless connected without any issues.

The I'm using plain old WEP on the access point.  When I attempt to connect
the first NM pip turns green immediately but the second pip never does.
Eventually I'm asked for the WEP key.  Entering it again does no good.  I've
used system-config-network to statically enter the WEP key and specify the
SSID.  Nothing works.  I've never been able to connect under F9.

I notice that I'm never asked to unlock the keyring as I was under F5 and
F7.  Are there any other suggestions as to what I can try?

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-29 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 14:56 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
 The scan did pick up something for wifi0 and eth0.  Does that mean
 that they are conflicting in some way?

I don't think so. AFAIK the wifi0 is effectively a pseudo-interface on
top of eth0. Something to do with how the kernel drivers are
implemented, but don't take my word for it.

Anyone who knows more about this is welcome to jump in at this point :-)

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-28 Thread Olusola Fadero
What wireless card do you have in your laptop?

Olusola



 *I would like to know if anyone is having problems getting their wireless
 connection to actually connect in Fedora 9 using Network Manager?*

 I just installed Fedora 9 on my laptop (Thinkpad R40).  I did not do the 76
 updates yet, but out-of-the-box, my wireless won't connect.  The LAN
 connects just fine, but not wireless.  It's great that network manager does
 an auto broadcast, now.  I put in my WEP information, which I
 triple-checked, but it says the connection has disconnected.  I even tried
 it on WEPless access points and the same thing happens.


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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-28 Thread Marc Ferguson
I have, based on my system-config-network, an Intersil Corporation
Pri. To be honest - I'm not too clear what I have.



On 5/28/08, Olusola Fadero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What wireless card do you have in your laptop?

 Olusola



 *I would like to know if anyone is having problems getting their wireless
 connection to actually connect in Fedora 9 using Network Manager?*

 I just installed Fedora 9 on my laptop (Thinkpad R40).  I did not do the
 76
 updates yet, but out-of-the-box, my wireless won't connect.  The LAN
 connects just fine, but not wireless.  It's great that network manager
 does
 an auto broadcast, now.  I put in my WEP information, which I
 triple-checked, but it says the connection has disconnected.  I even
 tried
 it on WEPless access points and the same thing happens.


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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

2008-05-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:31 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
 Hi,
 
 The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it:
 
 PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin

I should hope so. $PATH is where the Shell looks for commands to
execute. It's a list of directories to look in.

lspci and friends are in /sbin (or sometimes in /usr/sbin). /sbin/lspci
etc. will run them. Or do this in .bash_profile:

PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH

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