Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 10:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 16:32 -0800, Nataraj wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 15:08 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Nataraj incoming-fedora-l...@rjl.com wrote: Does anyone else see unreasonable usage of CPU resources from Firefox? Do you have flash installed? Some sites that have embedded flash video or animations that start on their own will cause my firefox to chew cpu. -jef I think there are a lot of websites with flash content. I don't know weather this problem with flash exists under windows or not, but it certainly would contribute to giving users the perception that firefox is slow under linux. I would like to be able to leave a web browser window open and then go off and type an email message and perhaps go off and respond to another issue when a user calls me, without having to exit from my web browser because it's chewing up all my CPU so I can't do anything else. Use FlashBlock and/or NoScript to block Flash from running except when you want to see it. However I also get occasional cpu-sucking from FF, even though I have both the above add-ons installed. There seems to be a correlation with Java, but I haven't looked at it closely. poc I will look at these plugins. I have also been suspicious of Java. Nataraj -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 16:32 -0800, Nataraj wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 15:08 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Nataraj incoming-fedora-l...@rjl.com wrote: Does anyone else see unreasonable usage of CPU resources from Firefox? Do you have flash installed? Some sites that have embedded flash video or animations that start on their own will cause my firefox to chew cpu. -jef I think there are a lot of websites with flash content. I don't know weather this problem with flash exists under windows or not, but it certainly would contribute to giving users the perception that firefox is slow under linux. I would like to be able to leave a web browser window open and then go off and type an email message and perhaps go off and respond to another issue when a user calls me, without having to exit from my web browser because it's chewing up all my CPU so I can't do anything else. Use FlashBlock and/or NoScript to block Flash from running except when you want to see it. However I also get occasional cpu-sucking from FF, even though I have both the above add-ons installed. There seems to be a correlation with Java, but I haven't looked at it closely. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux instead. Based on the original thread, the only people who didn't think that Firefox was slow had dual core or better machines. I highly disagree that one should need a dual core to run a browser. And yes I have pango disabled, And no, it's not DNS problems. The only apparent problem I have is that I don't have a dual core machine. Slashdot: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/13/0058251 Original Article: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/benchmarked-firefox-javascript-linux-and-windows-and-its-not-pretty -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com wrote: So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux instead. Which firefox builds are you using? Are you using the upstream Mozilla build under wine and the Fedora build under Fedora? Did you test the Mozilla linux build on Fedora? I take it you mean slow page rendering. I just want to be clear, different people use slow to mean different things. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 12:08 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux instead. Have you tried it in Wine on your machine? Is it in fact better? poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com wrote: So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux instead. Which firefox builds are you using? Are you using the upstream Mozilla build under wine and the Fedora build under Fedora? Did you test the Mozilla linux build on Fedora? I have been using the Fedora provided builds since F7. I take it you mean slow page rendering. I just want to be clear, different people use slow to mean different things. I'll try to paint a picture (at least until someone instructs me on specific metrics to collect) I do a lot of web development, on FC7, I basically had to stop using my desktop for my most of my web work, and when I did use it it was Konqueror as I only have Fedora on my desktop. When I say slow, I don't mean boots slow, here's a incomplete of things that are slow, and by slow I mean slower than my now dead 4 year old laptop with Windows XP on a Celeron: * switching between tabs * zooming (I mean _really_ slow) * loading new pages often blocks the entire browser * reloading often (again, I do web work) * even basic loading of pages (is slower than other machines on the same network) In FC7 I could not use the guided Bugzilla mode with Firefox. The only thing that has changed between FC7 and F9 for me is that I did a serious hardware upgrade of my machine. And that was necessary because scrolling a page in Firefox would starve PulseAudio of resources and literally kill it. I always assumed this were just bugs that would be worked out. But it's been going on for pretty long now. Now, I have dual core test machine, and Firefox is unobtrusive on that machine, at least it is fast enough that my model is the likely bottleneck. If there are spefic tests that one would like me to do, I'll be happy to do them. It just seems unhelpful for me to file a bugzilla issue that firefox is slow. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 12:08 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux instead. Have you tried it in Wine on your machine? Is it in fact better? I don't use Wine, but I'll be sure to try it when I get home tonight. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com wrote: I have been using the Fedora provided builds since F7. Mozilla's upstream linux builds are materially different that what we ship. I believe the Mozilla builds build in some libraries statically and maybe some other compile time differences like pango support. What would be fruitful is doing a comparison for specific tasks firefox tasks using different firefox builds. Mozilla windows build on native windows. Mozilla windows build under wine running in Fedora. Mozilla linux build running in Fedora. Fedora linux build running in Fedora with pango support turned off. The Fedora Firefox version has a several language packs installed by default. Does the Mozilla build have those as by default as well? Could there be a rendering slow down due to that? I don't know. Thats why I want you to test the Mozilla builds running of Fedora. If you are going to do it, try to formalize the methodology so that you are doing the same tasks in the same order from the moment the first firefox window appears. Also to make sure there isn't some screwing library caching going on. Do full reboots between tests to ensure library caches are cleared. * switching between tabs * zooming (I mean _really_ slow) * loading new pages often blocks the entire browser * reloading often (again, I do web work) * even basic loading of pages (is slower than other machines on the same network) If there are spefic tests that one would like me to do, I'll be happy to do them. It just seems unhelpful for me to file a bugzilla issue that firefox is slow. I don't know how to do accurate computer based timing on any of these firefox operations. But if you are talking about human perceptual differences on the order of seconds, it might be enough to screencast your scripted set of actions so people can see the time differences in the context of your task sequence methodology. If the biggest differences are between windows and linux firefox builds that says its something we can drive into Mozilla discussion. If the biggest difference is between the Mozilla and Fedora builds, that's something we'll have to bring to the attention of our maintainer. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know how to do accurate computer based timing on any of these firefox operations. But if you are talking about human perceptual differences on the order of seconds, it might be enough to screencast your scripted set of actions so people can see the time differences in the context of your task sequence methodology. If the biggest differences are between windows and linux firefox builds that says its something we can drive into Mozilla discussion. If the biggest difference is between the Mozilla and Fedora builds, that's something we'll have to bring to the attention of our maintainer. Oh and yeah... we'll also need to try to find a test that reduces the problem of network affects. Does using the ip address instead of hostname make a difference? Do local pages served from localhost of the same complexity have the same relative slowdowns across builds? This probably isn't the problem..but its good to be sure. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
Original Message Subject: Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux) From: Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 02/13/2009 12:43 PM On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 12:08 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux instead. Have you tried it in Wine on your machine? Is it in fact better? poc Patrick, Jeff, This same posting was on the fedora-test list first[1] and I've run my own tests. I suggest you do your own. Fedora Firefox is sloow. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-February/msg00570.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: This same posting was on the fedora-test list first[1] and I've run my own tests. I suggest you do your own. Fedora Firefox is sloow. I think the more correct thing to say is that the linux version of Firefox is slow. From my reading this is not a Fedora specific problem... the mozilla builds are equally affected. This could be a real problem for all linux distributors that needs to be addressed in the upstream firefox codebase. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
Arthur Pemberton wrote: So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux instead. ok. someone missed a previous post. also, msbsos users are complaining about slow and eating resources. from previous post; paste } Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:10:13 -0500 } From: paul s fedora-l...@queuemail.com } To: fedora-list@redhat.com } References: e3f73e670902021202q6f5c087m7046d8b8b4aee...@mail.gmail.com } In-Reply-To: e3f73e670902021202q6f5c087m7046d8b8b4aee...@mail.gmail.com } Subject: Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux [snip] Reduce the amount of RAM Firefox uses for it’s cache feature Try this: 1) Type “about:config” (no quotes) in the address bar in the browser. 2) Find “browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers” 3) Set it’s value to “0“;(Zero) Increase the Speed in Which Firefox loads pages 1) Type “about:config” into the address bar and hit Enter. (Normally the browser will make one request to a web page at a time. When you enable pipelining it will make several at once, which really speeds up page loading.) 2) Alter the entries as follows: Set “network.http.pipelining” to “true” Set “network.http.proxy.pipelining” to “true” Set “network.http.pipelining.maxrequests” to some number like 10. This means it will make 10 requests at once. 3) Lastly, right-click anywhere and select New-Integer. Name it “nglayout.initialpaint.delay” and set its value to “0“;.(Zero) This value is the amount of time the browser waits before it acts on information it receives. If you’re using a broadband connection you’ll load pages faster now. Optionally (for even faster web browsing) here are some more options for your about:config (you might have to create some of these entries by Right Click – New– Interger or String “network.dns.disableIPv6”: set “false” “content.notify.backoffcount”: set “5”; (Five) “ui.submenuDelay”: set “0”; (Zero) Reduce RAM usage to 10mb when Firefox is minimized This little hack will drop Firefox’s RAM usage down to 10 Mb when minimized: 1) Open Firefox and go to the Address Bar. Type in about:config and then press Enter. 2) Right Click in the page and select New - Boolean. 3) In the box that pops up enter “config.trim_on_minimize”. Press Enter. 4) Now select True and then press Enter. 5) Restart Firefox. These simple tweaks will make your web browsing with Mozilla Firefox at least twice as fast and it's a pretty simple thing anybody can do. [/snip] /paste i will find out tonight when i try them. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 13:41 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux) From: Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 02/13/2009 12:43 PM On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 12:08 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux instead. Have you tried it in Wine on your machine? Is it in fact better? poc Patrick, Jeff, This same posting was on the fedora-test list first[1] and I've run my own tests. I suggest you do your own. Fedora Firefox is sloow. I already ran the V8 test (I'm on fedora-test too). Agreed that the numbers are lower than I'd like, however this test only measures Javascript performance. Arthur's complaint is about a lot of other stuff too. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 11:17 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: This same posting was on the fedora-test list first[1] and I've run my own tests. I suggest you do your own. Fedora Firefox is sloow. I think the more correct thing to say is that the linux version of Firefox is slow. From my reading this is not a Fedora specific problem... the mozilla builds are equally affected. This could be a real problem for all linux distributors that needs to be addressed in the upstream firefox codebase. -jef I'm currently running firefox 3.0.3, mozilla build, under fedora 7 (yes, I know I need to upgrade to 3.0.6, also to fedora 10).. Anyway, one of the problems I find is that firefox just chews up CPU cycles doing nothing. Right now it's eating 15% of my 3.06 ghz Xeon CPU while I'm typing this message in evolution. Quite often it starts eating 80% or more of the CPU time and I find I have to start closing tabs or restarting it to get it to stop. I do notice very severe performance problems with firefox when it does this. Does anyone else see unreasonable usage of CPU resources from Firefox? Nataraj -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Nataraj incoming-fedora-l...@rjl.com wrote: Does anyone else see unreasonable usage of CPU resources from Firefox? Do you have flash installed? Some sites that have embedded flash video or animations that start on their own will cause my firefox to chew cpu. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 15:08 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Nataraj incoming-fedora-l...@rjl.com wrote: Does anyone else see unreasonable usage of CPU resources from Firefox? Do you have flash installed? Some sites that have embedded flash video or animations that start on their own will cause my firefox to chew cpu. -jef Yes, I do have flash. I suspect you are correct that it is causing my cpu problem. Nataraj -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 15:08 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Nataraj incoming-fedora-l...@rjl.com wrote: Does anyone else see unreasonable usage of CPU resources from Firefox? Do you have flash installed? Some sites that have embedded flash video or animations that start on their own will cause my firefox to chew cpu. -jef I think there are a lot of websites with flash content. I don't know weather this problem with flash exists under windows or not, but it certainly would contribute to giving users the perception that firefox is slow under linux. I would like to be able to leave a web browser window open and then go off and type an email message and perhaps go off and respond to another issue when a user calls me, without having to exit from my web browser because it's chewing up all my CPU so I can't do anything else. I'm currently working on testing F10 (so far only under vmware), to see if it is any better. I did have to install Sun jdk/jre because I couldn't get Dell DRAC cards to work with openjdk. Nataraj -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
The problems with FireFox beeing slow has two different reaons: 1.) FireFox UI is slow / Scrolling is slow: Your video driver does not accalerated XRender well, or is slow for other reaons. (While scrolling and running top, is FireFox eating all the CPU or Xorg?) FireFox just sends drawing commands to the X-Server, if the drivers are broken its not FireFox fault. 2.) FireFox takes long to load / close: FireFox does exactly the same on Windows as well as on Linux, but Ext3 completly dies when FireFox issues fflush commands to make sure all files have been written appropriate. - Clemens 2009/2/4 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com: On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 16:24 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: Well, what do you mean by rendering? What exactly are you 'rendering'? The HTML and images that are being converted to pixels. Running a java-based or some other application like a mandelbrot application or what? You might let us know exactly what you are doing? Just browsing the internet. It is hard to tell with the little data you are giving as to determine if by rendering you are getting `streaming data' coming from remote or local sources and if the data (for rendering?) coming from local/remote servers and/or services? Doesn't rendering simply mean creating visuals from data? Just wondered, Dan I'm talking about scrolling through long pages and zooming in and out, things Firefox on Windows handles with no effort. I'll just comment that I have no performance problems with FF on F10 x86_64, except that it can take a while to start up and has sometimes been known to suck cpu (possibly the Java plugin is doing this in my case). This is KDE 4.1, Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB of RAM (but it was the same with 2GB) and onboard Intel video. I don't use Compiz. I do use AdBlock, Flashblock and NoScript. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Clemens Eisserer linuxhi...@gmail.com wrote: The problems with FireFox beeing slow has two different reaons: 1.) FireFox UI is slow / Scrolling is slow: Your video driver does not accalerated XRender well, or is slow for other reaons. (While scrolling and running top, is FireFox eating all the CPU or Xorg?) FireFox just sends drawing commands to the X-Server, if the drivers are broken its not FireFox fault. So one needs a highend, fully supported video card to scroll properly in Firefox/Linux? -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
So one needs a highend, fully supported video card to scroll properly in Firefox/Linux? Not at all, just one with good drivers. For now the proprietary nvidia driver is quite good on GF6+ (latest version), and the ATI radeon driver too (for cards older than Radeon HD2x/3x/4x). The proprietary Catalyst driver is crap, and for Radeon-HD2/3/4 there is currently no accelerating 2D driver at all - not free and not the proprietary. Intel used to be good but is performance-wise quite broken because they re-wrote large parts of it, so I guess it needs some tuning to reach old speeds. - Clemens -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 13:08 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: So one needs a highend, fully supported video card to scroll properly in Firefox/Linux? Shouldn't really be so. But, you will be shovelling many megabytes around when scrolling a page. e.g. 1280 x 800 pixels x 32 bits (colour) x number of screens/pages The system needs to be reasonably fast to manage it. Even more so when the content is animated. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.12-78.2.8.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Clemens Eisserer linuxhi...@gmail.com wrote: The problems with FireFox beeing slow has two different reaons: 1.) FireFox UI is slow / Scrolling is slow: Your video driver does not accalerated XRender well, or is slow for other reaons. (While scrolling and running top, is FireFox eating all the CPU or Xorg?) The system I have is a ClientPro DX5000, Mobo=Intel `Outrigger', PIII - (1) 866MHz, 133FSB, 256MB RIMM Ram, PATA 200GB HD, w/2GB swap. I found that FF w/256MB system RAM puts my system in high swap and extremely slow system response (mouse movement is really jerky). The vCard that I have is a GeForce 7600, so that is not the problem, but imo, the lack of system memory? Killing FF greatly restores system performance. It seems that the minimum system RAM should be no less than 512MB, perhaps? Of course, more RAM is needed if more services/apps are added to the original installed baseline. Of course, with 256MB RAM, there is no way for me to do F10 installation off the CD/DVD, it falls flat and very badly at that. RIMM memory is expensive and so I held back ($59.99/512MB and I need 2, so that pushes it up closer to a new Duo-core mobos with much newer/faster hardware/options and better performance) I'm pretty sure more RAM would greatly improve performance, and FF should be Ok. I surmise this because FF seems to require a lot of system memory, as I have another ClientPro PIII - 667Mhz, w/ onboard Nvidia TNT (32MB ram), but with 512MB system RAM and FF works fine and is faster performing than on the DX5000. FireFox just sends drawing commands to the X-Server, if the drivers are broken its not FireFox fault. So one needs a highend, fully supported video card to scroll properly in Firefox/Linux? Hard to say, as performance is first dependent on the Mobo: CPU/RAM/FSB and then the vCard, or so I think. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 19:28 +0100, Clemens Eisserer wrote: The problems with FireFox beeing slow has two different reaons: 1.) FireFox UI is slow / Scrolling is slow: Your video driver does not accalerated XRender well, or is slow for other reaons. (While scrolling and running top, is FireFox eating all the CPU or Xorg?) FireFox just sends drawing commands to the X-Server, if the drivers are broken its not FireFox fault. 2.) FireFox takes long to load / close: FireFox does exactly the same on Windows as well as on Linux, but Ext3 completly dies when FireFox issues fflush commands to make sure all files have been written appropriate. 3) Firefox is a memory hog. Version 3.1x is supposed to fix this problem. Its in beta 2 right now. Yesterday I was doing some online buying/investigating whereby I had 8+ tabs open with a bunch of product images on each tab page. Firefox outright stalled if I opened one too many. It would become totally unresponsive for 20 to 60 seconds at times. For the fun of it, I opened the same 8 tabs with Konqueror and it didn't bat an eye. For the record, I am running a T8300 processor with 4 GB of RAM. Luckily I don't do this sort of thing very often. I have high hopes that Firefox 3.1 will be better in this regard. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:15:04 -0700 Linuxguy123 wrote: Yesterday I was doing some online buying/investigating whereby I had 8+ tabs open with a bunch of product images on each tab page. Firefox outright stalled if I opened one too many. It would become totally unresponsive for 20 to 60 seconds at times. Yea, all my scrolling problems seem to be associated with multiple tabs, especially if some tab has flash/java nonsense going on, it will freeze up the whole UI for seconds at a time. Why FF is working so hard to update dynamic contents on tabs that aren't even visible is perhaps a question that ought to be asked :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 15:02 -0500, Marc Ferguson wrote: I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. I have a problem which is similar to the problems mentioned on this thread. Firefox displays most pages just fine: it puts them up quickly and scrolls them smoothly. But some pages use an enormous amount of CPU (the Gnome CPU meter shows 100%), even when they are not actually being displayed, i.e. are minimized or completely covered. Which obviously interferes with anything else I'm trying to do with the computer It looks like most of this is caused by Adobe's Flash plugin. Sometimes the heavy CPU usage persists even after Firefox is exited; then I have to kill the flash process explicitly. This is on a 32-bit version of Firefox on an AMD 64-bit system. jon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 20:53 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: Not to over stretch this topic, but you have a Core2Duo with 4GB of RAM, so if you were seeing performance issues with Firefox, that would be it was _really_ slow as opposed to just slow. As I tried to explain, the performance was exactly the same when it only had 2GB (I upgraded quite recently). Additionally, using AdBlock actually makes it faster (for me). That's probably true for me as well. Also Flashblock stops downloading a lot of superfluous video (I'm on a 1Mbps DSL line). poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 20:53 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: Not to over stretch this topic, but you have a Core2Duo with 4GB of RAM, so if you were seeing performance issues with Firefox, that would be it was _really_ slow as opposed to just slow. As I tried to explain, the performance was exactly the same when it only had 2GB (I upgraded quite recently). Additionally, using AdBlock actually makes it faster (for me). That's probably true for me as well. Also Flashblock stops downloading a lot of superfluous video (I'm on a 1Mbps DSL line). poc I have not followed this thread but last night when re-re-installing F10, there was a FF update and it got me thinking. Are the number of languages an issue still? I ask this as I was prompted to turn off a large list of languages. FWIW, I don't find FF slow on an old 1.4G machine. I just don't have that man plugins running. What does top say? -- Robin Laing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Robin Laing robin.la...@drdc-rddc.gc.ca wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 20:53 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: Not to over stretch this topic, but you have a Core2Duo with 4GB of RAM, so if you were seeing performance issues with Firefox, that would be it was _really_ slow as opposed to just slow. As I tried to explain, the performance was exactly the same when it only had 2GB (I upgraded quite recently). Additionally, using AdBlock actually makes it faster (for me). That's probably true for me as well. Also Flashblock stops downloading a lot of superfluous video (I'm on a 1Mbps DSL line). poc I have not followed this thread but last night when re-re-installing F10, there was a FF update and it got me thinking. Are the number of languages an issue still? I ask this as I was prompted to turn off a large list of languages. FWIW, I don't find FF slow on an old 1.4G machine. I just don't have that man plugins running. What does top say? 1.4GB slow to run a browser? -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 09:48 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Robin Laing robin.la...@drdc-rddc.gc.ca wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 20:53 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: Not to over stretch this topic, but you have a Core2Duo with 4GB of RAM, so if you were seeing performance issues with Firefox, that would be it was _really_ slow as opposed to just slow. As I tried to explain, the performance was exactly the same when it only had 2GB (I upgraded quite recently). Additionally, using AdBlock actually makes it faster (for me). That's probably true for me as well. Also Flashblock stops downloading a lot of superfluous video (I'm on a 1Mbps DSL line). poc I have not followed this thread but last night when re-re-installing F10, there was a FF update and it got me thinking. Are the number of languages an issue still? I ask this as I was prompted to turn off a large list of languages. FWIW, I don't find FF slow on an old 1.4G machine. I just don't have that man plugins running. What does top say? 1.4GB slow to run a browser? What's your point? He said it's *not* slow. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Agile Aspect agile.asp...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Marc Ferguson wrote: Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. I've tried running Swiftfox, but I haven't gotten it to load (that's another issue) so I'm kind of stuck with Firefox. -- Marc F. www.fergytech.com http://www.fergytech.com Registered Linux User: #410978 When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff! -Marc F. This is probably a different situation, but for me, I discovered just how much browsers can be greatly slowed down if there are slow/bad DNS server entries. Make sure that *all* of your DNS server entries are good in the /etc/resolv.conf file (can be set with System- Administration-Network (DNS tab)). The odd thing is, only the browsers that were very slow, but everything else seemed to work fine. You can check FF against your local web-server just to make sure it is not a DNS resolver issue or the Internet infrastructure. For me, FF works well with: Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel 2.6.27.9-73.fc9.i686 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz CPUs: 2 2017MB RAM ... and my daughter's system, also an F9 with a different and faster Intel Motherboard, Duo-Core, 2GB RAM FWIW, Dan When I step on the DHCP generated /etc/resolv.conf from Comast with one using my Wireless router as my primary resolver, the performance of Firefox jumps dramatically. Both the router and the DHCP generated /etc/resolv.conf have the same DNS server entries. DNS should be the first item to be checked. My problem isn't how fast Firefox is getting the page, it's how slow it is rendering them. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Agile Aspect agile.asp...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Marc Ferguson wrote: Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. I've tried running Swiftfox, but I haven't gotten it to load (that's another issue) so I'm kind of stuck with Firefox. -- Marc F. www.fergytech.com http://www.fergytech.com Registered Linux User: #410978 When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff! -Marc F. This is probably a different situation, but for me, I discovered just how much browsers can be greatly slowed down if there are slow/bad DNS server entries. Make sure that *all* of your DNS server entries are good in the /etc/resolv.conf file (can be set with System- Administration-Network (DNS tab)). The odd thing is, only the browsers that were very slow, but everything else seemed to work fine. You can check FF against your local web-server just to make sure it is not a DNS resolver issue or the Internet infrastructure. For me, FF works well with: Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel 2.6.27.9-73.fc9.i686 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz CPUs: 2 2017MB RAM ... and my daughter's system, also an F9 with a different and faster Intel Motherboard, Duo-Core, 2GB RAM FWIW, Dan When I step on the DHCP generated /etc/resolv.conf from Comast with one using my Wireless router as my primary resolver, the performance of Firefox jumps dramatically. Both the router and the DHCP generated /etc/resolv.conf have the same DNS server entries. DNS should be the first item to be checked. My problem isn't how fast Firefox is getting the page, it's how slow it is rendering them. Well, what do you mean by rendering? What exactly are you 'rendering'? Running a java-based or some other application like a mandelbrot application or what? You might let us know exactly what you are doing? It is hard to tell with the little data you are giving as to determine if by rendering you are getting `streaming data' coming from remote or local sources and if the data (for rendering?) coming from local/remote servers and/or services? Just wondered, Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
this seems to help if you haven't already... [snip] Reduce the amount of RAM Firefox uses for it’s cache feature Try this: 1) Type “about:config” (no quotes) in the address bar in the browser. 2) Find “browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers” 3) Set it’s value to “0“;(Zero) Increase the Speed in Which Firefox loads pages 1) Type “about:config” into the address bar and hit Enter. (Normally the browser will make one request to a web page at a time. When you enable pipelining it will make several at once, which really speeds up page loading.) 2) Alter the entries as follows: Set “network.http.pipelining” to “true” Set “network.http.proxy.pipelining” to “true” Set “network.http.pipelining.maxrequests” to some number like 10. This means it will make 10 requests at once. 3) Lastly, right-click anywhere and select New-Integer. Name it “nglayout.initialpaint.delay” and set its value to “0“;.(Zero) This value is the amount of time the browser waits before it acts on information it receives. If you’re using a broadband connection you’ll load pages faster now. Optionally (for even faster web browsing) here are some more options for your about:config (you might have to create some of these entries by Right Click – New– Interger or String “network.dns.disableIPv6”: set “false” “content.notify.backoffcount”: set “5”; (Five) “ui.submenuDelay”: set “0”; (Zero) Reduce RAM usage to 10mb when Firefox is minimized This little hack will drop Firefox’s RAM usage down to 10 Mb when minimized: 1) Open Firefox and go to the Address Bar. Type in about:config and then press Enter. 2) Right Click in the page and select New - Boolean. 3) In the box that pops up enter “config.trim_on_minimize”. Press Enter. 4) Now select True and then press Enter. 5) Restart Firefox. These simple tweaks will make your web browsing with Mozilla Firefox at least twice as fast and it's a pretty simple thing anybody can do. [/snip] On 02/02/2009 03:02 PM, Marc Ferguson wrote: Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. I've tried running Swiftfox, but I haven't gotten it to load (that's another issue) so I'm kind of stuck with Firefox. -- Marc F. www.fergytech.com http://www.fergytech.com Registered Linux User: #410978 When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff! -Marc F. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: Well, what do you mean by rendering? What exactly are you 'rendering'? The HTML and images that are being converted to pixels. Running a java-based or some other application like a mandelbrot application or what? You might let us know exactly what you are doing? Just browsing the internet. It is hard to tell with the little data you are giving as to determine if by rendering you are getting `streaming data' coming from remote or local sources and if the data (for rendering?) coming from local/remote servers and/or services? Doesn't rendering simply mean creating visuals from data? Just wondered, Dan I'm talking about scrolling through long pages and zooming in and out, things Firefox on Windows handles with no effort. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 16:24 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: Well, what do you mean by rendering? What exactly are you 'rendering'? The HTML and images that are being converted to pixels. Running a java-based or some other application like a mandelbrot application or what? You might let us know exactly what you are doing? Just browsing the internet. It is hard to tell with the little data you are giving as to determine if by rendering you are getting `streaming data' coming from remote or local sources and if the data (for rendering?) coming from local/remote servers and/or services? Doesn't rendering simply mean creating visuals from data? Just wondered, Dan I'm talking about scrolling through long pages and zooming in and out, things Firefox on Windows handles with no effort. I'll just comment that I have no performance problems with FF on F10 x86_64, except that it can take a while to start up and has sometimes been known to suck cpu (possibly the Java plugin is doing this in my case). This is KDE 4.1, Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB of RAM (but it was the same with 2GB) and onboard Intel video. I don't use Compiz. I do use AdBlock, Flashblock and NoScript. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 16:24 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: Well, what do you mean by rendering? What exactly are you 'rendering'? The HTML and images that are being converted to pixels. Running a java-based or some other application like a mandelbrot application or what? You might let us know exactly what you are doing? Just browsing the internet. It is hard to tell with the little data you are giving as to determine if by rendering you are getting `streaming data' coming from remote or local sources and if the data (for rendering?) coming from local/remote servers and/or services? Doesn't rendering simply mean creating visuals from data? Just wondered, Dan I'm talking about scrolling through long pages and zooming in and out, things Firefox on Windows handles with no effort. I'll just comment that I have no performance problems with FF on F10 x86_64, except that it can take a while to start up and has sometimes been known to suck cpu (possibly the Java plugin is doing this in my case). This is KDE 4.1, Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB of RAM (but it was the same with 2GB) and onboard Intel video. I don't use Compiz. I do use AdBlock, Flashblock and NoScript. Not to over stretch this topic, but you have a Core2Duo with 4GB of RAM, so if you were seeing performance issues with Firefox, that would be it was _really_ slow as opposed to just slow. Additionally, using AdBlock actually makes it faster (for me). -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Firefox Running Slow in Linux
Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. I've tried running Swiftfox, but I haven't gotten it to load (that's another issue) so I'm kind of stuck with Firefox. -- Marc F. www.fergytech.com Registered Linux User: #410978 When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff! -Marc F. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Marc Ferguson marcfergu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. I've tried running Swiftfox, but I haven't gotten it to load (that's another issue) so I'm kind of stuck with Firefox. All instances of Firefox on Linux that I have tried run arbitrarily slow. I've come to the conclusion that Mozilla doesn't care about Linux. Stuff that happens almost instantly on older Windows machines take several seconds on my fairly beefed up workstation. I've more or less given up on it. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 15:02 -0500, Marc Ferguson wrote: Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. Couple things to look out for. Plugins. Turn off all your plugins and retest. There are some that cause serious performance degradation. Find the guilty party and decide if it's work it. Scripts. God's be damned scripts. CNN is probably one of the WORST for this. I have to use noscript to keep CNN from nuking my performance due to the script invoking flash cruft that ends up invoking the npviewer.bin performance sink. It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. Haven't seen that. What distro? What kernel? What pages? What system? I've tried running Swiftfox, but I haven't gotten it to load (that's another issue) so I'm kind of stuck with Firefox. -- Marc F. Mike www.fergytech.com Registered Linux User: #410978 When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff! -Marc F. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Michael H. Warfield (AI4NB) | (770) 985-6132 | m...@wittsend.com /\/\|=mhw=|\/\/ | (678) 463-0932 | http://www.wittsend.com/mhw/ NIC whois: MHW9 | An optimist believes we live in the best of all PGP Key: 0xDF1DD471| possible worlds. A pessimist is sure of it! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 15:02 -0500, Marc Ferguson wrote: Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. Couple things to look out for. Plugins. Turn off all your plugins and retest. There are some that cause serious performance degradation. Find the guilty party and decide if it's work it. Also, for the original poster, you can run firefox -safe-mode to start with all extensions and themes disabled. If your problems go away in this mode, then you know there's a problem with an extension or theme. (Just a shot in the dark, no idea how many extensions you have installed.) It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. Haven't seen that. What distro? What kernel? What pages? What system? I'm currently running a 3.1 beta nightly on F10 x86_64, and it seems fine to me, too. Though, I think they've done a lot of work speeding up javascript. If you want more adventure in your life, you may want to consider trying a nightly, or just wait for 3.1 to be released. (The nightlies seem pretty robust.) reid -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [ale] Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Jim Kinney jim.kin...@gmail.com wrote: Everything M. Warfield said and what specifically is the scrolling issue you see? Hangs on scroll, jumpy scroll, won't scroll, etc? I have a dual Op with 4GB RAM and 64-bit firefox. As my memory gets chewed up, firefox performance degrades. 3.0.5 seems better than prior 3.0.x version but it still will crash and vanish thanks to crappy javascript all over the place. I also run the adobe testing version of flash for 64-bit Linux. It _mostly_ works but I have seen it tear down firefox to a bit heap of weeping page faults. 2009/2/2 Marc Ferguson marcfergu...@gmail.com: Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. I've tried running Swiftfox, but I haven't gotten it to load (that's another issue) so I'm kind of stuck with Firefox. -- Marc F. www.fergytech.com Registered Linux User: #410978 When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff! -Marc F. ___ Ale mailing list a...@ale.org http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale -- -- James P. Kinney III ___ Ale mailing list a...@ale.org http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale Wow, again, the community comes with the MANsers! I'll post my specs when I get in, but I'm shocked to see that Mozilla doesn't have much love for our market. I assumed that since it was FOSS that it would give more love to Linux, but I guess Windows has more pull than I thought. That's what I get for ASSuming things. Reid, I look forward to nightly adventures... so I'll look into the latest beta build too. Oh and to confirm, it probably is my nVidia car. Ever since I've been running this system and learning about Linux (9+ months), there has ALWAYS been a common denominator... and that's my graphics card (nVidia GeForce 8600 GT). If I didn't need 3D support A LOT of my issues would have gone away. Amazing how troublesome this awesome little graphics card has become to FOSS users. -- Marc F. www.fergytech.com Registered Linux User: #410978 When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff! -Marc F. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Michael H. Warfield m...@wittsend.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 15:02 -0500, Marc Ferguson wrote: Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. Couple things to look out for. Plugins. Turn off all your plugins and retest. There are some that cause serious performance degradation. Find the guilty party and decide if it's work it. Out of the box it is slow, so unless Fedora is adding plugins by default, it is slow by default. Scripts. God's be damned scripts. CNN is probably one of the WORST for this. I have to use noscript to keep CNN from nuking my performance due to the script invoking flash cruft that ends up invoking the npviewer.bin performance sink. Such a problem would affect Firefox cross platform, it's only this slow on Linux. It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. Haven't seen that. What distro? What kernel? What pages? What system? Every i386 version I've tried since F7. All non trivial pages, seemingly with or without Flash. If F7, I couldn't even use Bugzilla's guided mode with Firefox/Linux. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [ale] Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Marc Ferguson marcfergu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Jim Kinney jim.kin...@gmail.com wrote: Everything M. Warfield said and what specifically is the scrolling issue you see? Hangs on scroll, jumpy scroll, won't scroll, etc? I have a dual Op with 4GB RAM and 64-bit firefox. As my memory gets chewed up, firefox performance degrades. 3.0.5 seems better than prior 3.0.x version but it still will crash and vanish thanks to crappy javascript all over the place. I also run the adobe testing version of flash for 64-bit Linux. It _mostly_ works but I have seen it tear down firefox to a bit heap of weeping page faults. 2009/2/2 Marc Ferguson marcfergu...@gmail.com: Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. I've tried running Swiftfox, but I haven't gotten it to load (that's another issue) so I'm kind of stuck with Firefox. -- Marc F. www.fergytech.com Registered Linux User: #410978 When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff! -Marc F. ___ Ale mailing list a...@ale.org http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale -- -- James P. Kinney III ___ Ale mailing list a...@ale.org http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale Wow, again, the community comes with the MANsers! I'll post my specs when I get in, but I'm shocked to see that Mozilla doesn't have much love for our market. I assumed that since it was FOSS that it would give more love to Linux, but I guess Windows has more pull than I thought. That's what I get for ASSuming things. Reid, I look forward to nightly adventures... so I'll look into the latest beta build too. Oh and to confirm, it probably is my nVidia car. Ever since I've been running this system and learning about Linux (9+ months), there has ALWAYS been a common denominator... and that's my graphics card (nVidia GeForce 8600 GT). If I didn't need 3D support A LOT of my issues would have gone away. Amazing how troublesome this awesome little graphics card has become to FOSS users. I currently get better performance remote desktoping into my Celeron III 1.4GHz WinXP laptop with 2GB of RAM than with my P4 3.0GHz workstation 3.5GB of RAM. Simply scrolling pages can be a task in Fedora/Firefox. The worst is zooming however. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:54:41 -0600 Arthur Pemberton wrote: Plugins. Turn off all your plugins and retest. There are some that cause serious performance degradation. Find the guilty party and decide if it's work it. Out of the box it is slow, so unless Fedora is adding plugins by default, it is slow by default. I wouldn't discount the added overhead of nspluginwrapper on plugins. I have no measured data, but I'm always suspicious of anything that is going to require reading and writing lots of data and context switching between separate processes when it could just be running directly in firefox. Of course that should only affect plugins, nspluginwrapper is itself a plugin :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
Original Message Subject: Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux From: Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 02/02/2009 02:06 PM All instances of Firefox on Linux that I have tried run arbitrarily slow. I've come to the conclusion that Mozilla doesn't care about Linux. Stuff that happens almost instantly on older Windows machines take several seconds on my fairly beefed up workstation. I've more or less given up on it. Yes, Firefox under Linux used to start up faster and run just as fast as its Windows counterpart in 2.0. With 3.0 the Windows version starts much faster, closes instantly, and loads and renders pages much faster. My opinion is based on a 3ghz Core 2 machine with the latest generation nVidia card and 100+mb/sec Seagate 750GB SATA-II hard drive. Sure, the nVidia driver could be to blame for some rendering things, but not startup time or other problem areas. Sometimes Firefox takes so long to quit that Compiz thinks it's locked up and grey's it out and asks if I want to Force Quit it. That's very bad when I have no other applications hogging I/O bandwidth. Mozilla's distaste for Linux was seen with the ignoring of the theme refresh and horrid sync() bug of 3.0.0. I fear it will just get worse. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
Marc Ferguson wrote: Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. I've tried running Swiftfox, but I haven't gotten it to load (that's another issue) so I'm kind of stuck with Firefox. -- Marc F. www.fergytech.com http://www.fergytech.com Registered Linux User: #410978 When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff! -Marc F. I always turn off smooth scrolling - that helps speed up the page viewing speed considerably. HTH -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
Marc Ferguson wrote: Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. I've tried running Swiftfox, but I haven't gotten it to load (that's another issue) so I'm kind of stuck with Firefox. -- Marc F. www.fergytech.com http://www.fergytech.com Registered Linux User: #410978 When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff! -Marc F. This is probably a different situation, but for me, I discovered just how much browsers can be greatly slowed down if there are slow/bad DNS server entries. Make sure that *all* of your DNS server entries are good in the /etc/resolv.conf file (can be set with System- Administration-Network (DNS tab)). The odd thing is, only the browsers that were very slow, but everything else seemed to work fine. You can check FF against your local web-server just to make sure it is not a DNS resolver issue or the Internet infrastructure. For me, FF works well with: Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel 2.6.27.9-73.fc9.i686 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz CPUs: 2 2017MB RAM ... and my daughter's system, also an F9 with a different and faster Intel Motherboard, Duo-Core, 2GB RAM FWIW, Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: Marc Ferguson wrote: Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. I've tried running Swiftfox, but I haven't gotten it to load (that's another issue) so I'm kind of stuck with Firefox. -- Marc F. www.fergytech.com http://www.fergytech.com Registered Linux User: #410978 When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff! -Marc F. This is probably a different situation, but for me, I discovered just how much browsers can be greatly slowed down if there are slow/bad DNS server entries. Make sure that *all* of your DNS server entries are good in the /etc/resolv.conf file (can be set with System- Administration-Network (DNS tab)). The odd thing is, only the browsers that were very slow, but everything else seemed to work fine. You can check FF against your local web-server just to make sure it is not a DNS resolver issue or the Internet infrastructure. For me, FF works well with: Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel 2.6.27.9-73.fc9.i686 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz CPUs: 2 2017MB RAM One really shouldn't need a dual core processor to get Firefox to work well. It's supposed to just be a browser. With that much horse power, you should be rendering faster than your NIC can pull them in -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Marc Ferguson wrote: Hi, I know I'll probably get hazed by this already saturated question, but I haven't found any solid answers to my issue from the archives. I'm running Fedora 10 x86_64 and loving the adventure of running an 64 bit system. I'm also running Firefox 3.0.x (x86_64), but I've noticed that it's not very smooth compared to it running on a Windows machine and I'm little confused why. It's more the scroll bar than anything else. It's something small, but it's ruining the surfing experience and I'm a little embarrassed to let other people use it on my desktop. I don't want to give Linux a bad name and these folks are primarily Windows/MAC users. So; their experience with using Firefox on my system is a tainted one. I've tried running Swiftfox, but I haven't gotten it to load (that's another issue) so I'm kind of stuck with Firefox. -- Marc F. www.fergytech.com http://www.fergytech.com Registered Linux User: #410978 When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff! -Marc F. This is probably a different situation, but for me, I discovered just how much browsers can be greatly slowed down if there are slow/bad DNS server entries. Make sure that *all* of your DNS server entries are good in the /etc/resolv.conf file (can be set with System- Administration-Network (DNS tab)). The odd thing is, only the browsers that were very slow, but everything else seemed to work fine. You can check FF against your local web-server just to make sure it is not a DNS resolver issue or the Internet infrastructure. For me, FF works well with: Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel 2.6.27.9-73.fc9.i686 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz CPUs: 2 2017MB RAM ... and my daughter's system, also an F9 with a different and faster Intel Motherboard, Duo-Core, 2GB RAM FWIW, Dan When I step on the DHCP generated /etc/resolv.conf from Comast with one using my Wireless router as my primary resolver, the performance of Firefox jumps dramatically. Both the router and the DHCP generated /etc/resolv.conf have the same DNS server entries. DNS should be the first item to be checked. -- Article. VI. Clause 3 of the constitution of the United States states: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
