Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich
I was using Fedora Core 6, just fine, but decided since it was so out  
of date, that I'd upgrade to Fedora 10. Now, for some reason, it won't  
boot. It keeps saying Unknown Partition Type 0x5.


This is the same *exact* system that was working with Core 6, all I  
did was install over the old version (except for /home and a storage  
partition.)


I'm using X86_64 where before I was using i386, but that shouldn't  
matter, should it?


All data drives are IDE/PATA, but I'm installing off a SATA DVD ROM.

HELP!!! I need to get this up and running as it's my primary desktop  
machine. I am stuck using my wife's XP box until I can get it back up  
and running! :-(


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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread Stuart

On 03/01/09 11:10, John Aldrich wrote:

I was using Fedora Core 6, just fine, but decided since it was so out of
date, that I'd upgrade to Fedora 10. Now, for some reason, it won't
boot. It keeps saying Unknown Partition Type 0x5.


At which point does it say that?
Do you get as far as the grub menu?

Partition type 0x5 is an 'Extended' partition. (/dev/sda4 or equivalent, 
usually) - this suggests to me that your grub.conf is incorrect, 
probably containing a line similar to

root (hd0,3)

But you can see this (I hope) by hitting 'e' at boot time, assuming you 
get as far as the grub countdown/menu.


How many disks do you have in the box and what's your partitioning scheme?


This is the same *exact* system that was working with Core 6, all I did
was install over the old version (except for /home and a storage
partition.)

I'm using X86_64 where before I was using i386, but that shouldn't
matter, should it?


nope


All data drives are IDE/PATA, but I'm installing off a SATA DVD ROM.


okay, how many are there? And which one do you want to boot from?


HELP!!! I need to get this up and running as it's my primary desktop
machine. I am stuck using my wife's XP box until I can get it back up
and running! :-(



Stuart


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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich

Quoting Stuart stu...@sjsears.com:

At which point does it say that?
Do you get as far as the grub menu?

Yes. It gets that far, and when I select that, it gives me the error.  
Even if I go as far as editing it to try and get into single mode.


Partition type 0x5 is an 'Extended' partition. (/dev/sda4 or
equivalent, usually) - this suggests to me that your grub.conf is
incorrect, probably containing a line similar to
root (hd0,3)


Ahh... that would explain it.


But you can see this (I hope) by hitting 'e' at boot time, assuming you
get as far as the grub countdown/menu.

How many disks do you have in the box and what's your partitioning scheme?

Err... Three drives, one of which is on a Promise PATA controller (my  
motherboard only had one PATA controller.)


/dev/sdb1 is /boot
/dev/sdb2 is /
/dev/sdb5 is /usr/local
/dev/sda6 is /home
/dev/sdc5 is an old /home (I think...not sure if that's my /home from  
FC6 or if sda6 is, so I'm not going to format it.)


I am not formatting /dev/sda6 or /dev/sdc5. I am formatting everything else.

I'm in the middle of reinstalling for the third or fourth time. Once  
it barfs again, I'll let you know exactly what the grub line says.


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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich

Quoting Stuart stu...@sjsears.com:
[snip]


okay, how many are there? And which one do you want to boot from?

According to the installer, it's going to write the boot info to  
/dev/sda. Boot is /dev/sdb1.


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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich

Quoting Stuart stu...@sjsears.com:


At which point does it say that?
Do you get as far as the grub menu?

Partition type 0x5 is an 'Extended' partition. (/dev/sda4 or
equivalent, usually) - this suggests to me that your grub.conf is
incorrect, probably containing a line similar to
root (hd0,3)

But you can see this (I hope) by hitting 'e' at boot time, assuming you
get as far as the grub countdown/menu.


Grub.conf is as follows:

root (hd1,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 ro  
root=UUID=1acff5c4-7a23-414a-9e04-f356c64e24bd rhgb quiet


initrd /initrd-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64.img

device.map is as follows:
(hd0) /dev/sda
(hd1) /dev/sdb

When it tries to boot, I get the following (it skips the grub menu --  
it's the only install there):

root (hd1,0)
fs type unknown, partition type 0x5.

menu.lst is pretty much the same. as the grub.conf posted above. I  
went in and put in a 10 second delay on the menu.lst. I confirmed that  
it magically shows up in the grub.conf once I put it in the menu.lst.


I also confirmed that i no longer need the old /home partition that  
I've been keeping around because I couldn't be sure what it was. :-)  
Maybe i'll move that down to /dev/sda and make it the /boot partition  
or something.


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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread Stuart Sears

On 03/01/09 13:24, John Aldrich wrote:

Quoting Stuart stu...@sjsears.com:


At which point does it say that?
Do you get as far as the grub menu?

Partition type 0x5 is an 'Extended' partition. (/dev/sda4 or
equivalent, usually) - this suggests to me that your grub.conf is
incorrect, probably containing a line similar to
root (hd0,3)

But you can see this (I hope) by hitting 'e' at boot time, assuming you
get as far as the grub countdown/menu.


Grub.conf is as follows:

root (hd1,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 ro
root=UUID=1acff5c4-7a23-414a-9e04-f356c64e24bd rhgb quiet

initrd /initrd-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64.img

device.map is as follows:
(hd0) /dev/sda
(hd1) /dev/sdb

When it tries to boot, I get the following (it skips the grub menu --
it's the only install there):
root (hd1,0)
fs type unknown, partition type 0x5.


okay, what I would do here is use the grub console to find /boot...

in case you don't know how:

hit 'c' to bring up the console

type root (hd TAB
grub should fill in the disks it can see (hopefully hd0/1/2)

for each of those, try
root (hdX,TAB

which should give you the partition layouts and types

then for each of the (hdX,0) partitions, try

kernel (hdX,0)/ TAB

one of them should have your vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 file on 
it. use that one in your root (hdX,0) statement.


hit ESC to get back to the menu and edit the 'root' statement 
accordingly. See if it works after that.


I think, from your previous post, that you may be pointing grub at what 
you think is sdc, which may only have

sdc1 - Extended
sdc5 - first logical partition

on it.


I had a similar issue with the installer seeing my disks in a different 
order to what I expected.



Regards,

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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich

Quoting Stuart Sears stu...@sjsears.com:


okay, what I would do here is use the grub console to find /boot...

in case you don't know how:

hit 'c' to bring up the console

type root (hd TAB
grub should fill in the disks it can see (hopefully hd0/1/2)

for each of those, try
root (hdX,TAB

which should give you the partition layouts and types

then for each of the (hdX,0) partitions, try

kernel (hdX,0)/ TAB

one of them should have your vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 file on
it. use that one in your root (hdX,0) statement.

hit ESC to get back to the menu and edit the 'root' statement
accordingly. See if it works after that.

I think, from your previous post, that you may be pointing grub at what
you think is sdc, which may only have
sdc1 - Extended
sdc5 - first logical partition

on it.


I had a similar issue with the installer seeing my disks in a different
order to what I expected.


Well, when I boot off the install DVD in rescue mode, it shows up  
correctly. I'm reinstalling yet again, this time, I told the installer  
to swap the disk order from what is in bios. We'll see how that  
goes... Hopefully I didn't just end up wiping my /home (and all my MP3  
files! G)


If worse comes to worse, I guess I'll put the old SDC back in the  
system as the primary HDD, wipe it and let Fedora use it to boot off of.


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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich

Quoting Stuart Sears stu...@sjsears.com:


I think, from your previous post, that you may be pointing grub at what
you think is sdc, which may only have
sdc1 - Extended
sdc5 - first logical partition

on it.


Well, I went by what was on the system previously (custom  
partitioning, using the same labels as FC6.) I could be wrong, but  
we'll see.


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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
John Aldrich wrote:
 Quoting Stuart stu...@sjsears.com:
 [snip]

 okay, how many are there? And which one do you want to boot from?

 According to the installer, it's going to write the boot info to
 /dev/sda. Boot is /dev/sdb1.
 
What Grub is doing is writing the boot loader for Grub to /dev/sda.
This should be the drive the BIOS boots from. This is the code that
loads the rest of Grub, where ever it is located. It is not talking
about the /boot partition. (Or /boot from the / partition.)

You can also run into the same confusion about what Grub and Linux
call root. They are not the same thing. If it helps, you can think
of Grub as its own small operating system. (Not exactly true, but it
help with understanding the differences in naming things.)

Mikkel
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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread Stuart Sears

On 03/01/09 14:47, John Aldrich wrote:

Quoting Stuart Sears stu...@sjsears.com:


okay, what I would do here is use the grub console to find /boot...

in case you don't know how:

hit 'c' to bring up the console

type root (hd TAB
grub should fill in the disks it can see (hopefully hd0/1/2)

for each of those, try
root (hdX,TAB

which should give you the partition layouts and types

then for each of the (hdX,0) partitions, try

kernel (hdX,0)/ TAB

one of them should have your vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 file on
it. use that one in your root (hdX,0) statement.

hit ESC to get back to the menu and edit the 'root' statement
accordingly. See if it works after that.

I think, from your previous post, that you may be pointing grub at what
you think is sdc, which may only have
sdc1 - Extended
sdc5 - first logical partition

on it.


I had a similar issue with the installer seeing my disks in a different
order to what I expected.



Well, when I boot off the install DVD in rescue mode, it shows up
correctly. I'm reinstalling yet again, this time, I told the installer
to swap the disk order from what is in bios. We'll see how that goes...
Hopefully I didn't just end up wiping my /home (and all my MP3 files! G)


did you actually try what was suggested?

I'm fairly certain this is fixable without repeated reinstalls.


Stuart

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Re: Help... Can't boot!

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich

Quoting Stuart Sears stu...@sjsears.com:

Well, when I boot off the install DVD in rescue mode, it shows up
correctly. I'm reinstalling yet again, this time, I told the installer
to swap the disk order from what is in bios. We'll see how that goes...
Hopefully I didn't just end up wiping my /home (and all my MP3 files! G)


did you actually try what was suggested?

I'm fairly certain this is fixable without repeated reinstalls.


Well, SDC is no longer part of the equation. I removed the ribbon  
cable from the drive so it won't even be seen by the system.


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SOLVED -- Re: Help... Can't boot! (but more issues)

2009-01-03 Thread John Aldrich
Well, I got it working finally... but i'm having some issues... the  
display is slightly off screen to the right, and I can't adjust it on  
the monitor because the left side is already at 0.


I used to be able to access the display settings, etc from the  
desktop, but that's not possible. Also, I discovered that the /home  
partition I wanted to save was on the disconnected drive, so when I  
was swapping my cable around on sda and sdb to get them to be in the  
order the system wanted, I also hooked /dev/sdc back up. Now, how do I  
get my old /home to be /home? All I have is a uuid in fstab. I  
suppose I could edit it and make it like the old style, but I'm not  
sure that would work.


Two questions then:
1) How do I access the display settings to change the refresh rate to  
adjust the horizontal positioning?


2) How do I tell Fedora 10 to move /home to a different location?

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Re: SOLVED -- Re: Help... Can't boot! (but more issues)

2009-01-03 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 14:51 -0500, John Aldrich wrote:
 Well, I got it working finally... but i'm having some issues... the  
 display is slightly off screen to the right, and I can't adjust it on  
 the monitor because the left side is already at 0.
 
 I used to be able to access the display settings, etc from the  
 desktop, but that's not possible. Also, I discovered that the /home  
 partition I wanted to save was on the disconnected drive, so when I  
 was swapping my cable around on sda and sdb to get them to be in the  
 order the system wanted, I also hooked /dev/sdc back up. Now, how do I  
 get my old /home to be /home? All I have is a uuid in fstab. I  
 suppose I could edit it and make it like the old style, but I'm not  
 sure that would work.
 
 Two questions then:
 1) How do I access the display settings to change the refresh rate to  
 adjust the horizontal positioning?
 
 2) How do I tell Fedora 10 to move /home to a different location?

using UUID to identify partitions makes so much sense that you only need
to adopt in your old '/home'

to find out the uuid of your old '/home', figure out which partition it
is (i.e. /dev/sda7)

blkid /dev/sda7 # reports the UUID

copy that and paste into /etc/fstab for your /home mount

Craig

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