Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Saturday 19 July 2008 00:41:23 Kevin Kofler wrote: Anne Wilson cannewilson at googlemail.com writes: Second sentence, Kevin - quote This will be included in KDE 4.1 final. /quote Standard Fedora and Mandriva are still on 4.0.x. But he's using 4.0.98 which is 4.1 RC1, not the default Fedora 9 KDE (which is currently 4.0.5, we're working on a 4.1 upgrade). OK, but it needed to be said that most people won't find it in their setup :-) Not long, now, though :-) Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 13:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: No, it's 4x3 or a standard square TV monitor. Landscape is 16x9. No, landscape just means wider than tall. Portait means taller than wide. The two of them *ONLY* refer to the orientation, and take their names from painting or photography. Widescreen means something wider than the old standard 4:3. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 16:41 +0930, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 13:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: No, it's 4x3 or a standard square TV monitor. Landscape is 16x9. No, landscape just means wider than tall. Portait means taller than wide. The two of them *ONLY* refer to the orientation, and take their names from painting or photography. Widescreen means something wider than the old standard 4:3. Yes, I failed to follow the old recommendation Ensure Brain is Fully Engaged Before Employing Mouth (or in this case Keyboard). poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 23:39 +, Kevin Kofler wrote: Anne Wilson cannewilson at googlemail.com writes: Ah - we're bordering on the metaphysical, are we? Where does the panel actually live? Can't answer that, sorry Most systray applets are autostarted from .desktop files in some autostart folder, normally /etc/xdg/autostart, but there's also the KDE-specific /usr/share/autostart and a per-user Autostart folder in ~/.kde. OK, since I'm interested in the strange icon shown by Kmix in the panel, I did a search: # locate .desktop|grep -i kmix /usr/share/applications/kde4/kmix.desktop /usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop /usr/share/autostart/restore_kmix_volumes.desktop /usr/share/kde4/services/kmixctrl_restore.desktop and then looked for icon references: # grep -i icon /usr/share/applications/kde4/kmix.desktop /usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop /usr/share/autostart/restore_kmix_volumes.desktop /usr/share/kde4/services/kmixctrl_restore.desktop /usr/share/applications/kde4/kmix.desktop:Icon=kmix /usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop:Icon=kmix Now since the icon being displayed is *not* the Kmix icon (by which I mean the one shown in the corner when you open the Kmix Properties dialogue), the plot thickens ... poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Saturday 19 July 2008 13:58:26 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: OK, since I'm interested in the strange icon shown by Kmix in the panel, I did a search: # locate .desktop|grep -i kmix /usr/share/applications/kde4/kmix.desktop /usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop /usr/share/autostart/restore_kmix_volumes.desktop /usr/share/kde4/services/kmixctrl_restore.desktop and then looked for icon references: # grep -i icon /usr/share/applications/kde4/kmix.desktop /usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop /usr/share/autostart/restore_kmix_volumes.desktop /usr/share/kde4/services/kmixctrl_restore.desktop /usr/share/applications/kde4/kmix.desktop:Icon=kmix /usr/share/autostart/kmix_autostart.desktop:Icon=kmix Now since the icon being displayed is *not* the Kmix icon (by which I mean the one shown in the corner when you open the Kmix Properties dialogue), the plot thickens ... Fascinating. I've noted before that the icon that appears when you autostart kmix is not the one that you see in the icon-selector. That's been so as long as I can remember. But I agree, I can't find where it gets that one. /usr/share/autostart is definitely where it lists those tiny application icons, but as well as the kmix mystery there is also a space that looks as though it has something unidentifiable there, and kwallet docks into the same space. I tend to think of that group as system icons, as distinct from the ones that I add, either as widgets or as application launchers. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
I upgraded to F9 when it first came out. Everything works, but my desktop is a mess. But surely I am missing something, after all, why are the KDE developers so proud of their work ? So... how is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ? Right now I have about 100 icons for folders and files randomly dispersed on the desktop. How do I clean them up and get my desktop organized again ? I hate that I can't drag and drop files into folders on the desktop. Is there a way to do this without using Dolphin ? I hate the collars that appear around the file and folder icons. Can they be turned off ? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Friday 18 July 2008 16:20:44 linuxguy wrote: I upgraded to F9 when it first came out. Everything works, but my desktop is a mess. But surely I am missing something, after all, why are the KDE developers so proud of their work ? So... how is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ? Right now I have about 100 icons for folders and files randomly dispersed on the desktop. How do I clean them up and get my desktop organized again ? I hate that I can't drag and drop files into folders on the desktop. Is there a way to do this without using Dolphin ? I hate the collars that appear around the file and folder icons. Can they be turned off ? Yep - I hated it too, when I first saw it. Stick with it a while and learn how to get the best from it. I wouldn't go back for anything now I've used it a while. Can't wait for 4.1, though :-) If there are things you can't figure out for yourself, ask about them. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
2008/7/18 linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I upgraded to F9 when it first came out. Everything works, but my desktop is a mess. But surely I am missing something, after all, why are the KDE developers so proud of their work ? So... how is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ? Right now I have about 100 icons for folders and files randomly dispersed on the desktop. How do I clean them up and get my desktop organized again ? I hate that I can't drag and drop files into folders on the desktop. Is there a way to do this without using Dolphin ? I hate the collars that appear around the file and folder icons. Can they be turned off ? Thanks I use KDE 4 daily on both of my computers, as the primary desktop environment. I don't like the new desktop icons either, but I just turned them off. The ability to manage files on the desktop background is far from necessary, imo. In addition, there is greatly improved support for desktop icons coming in KDE 4.1, so this is just a temporary solution until the better one is ready. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Its not a KDE4.0 bashing session... was: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 18:50 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: I use KDE 4 daily on both of my computers, as the primary desktop environment. I don't like the new desktop icons either, but I just turned them off. The ability to manage files on the desktop background is far from necessary, imo. In addition, there is greatly improved support for desktop icons coming in KDE 4.1, so this is just a temporary solution until the better one is ready. a) I didn't mean to start a KDE4.0 bashing session. I am not asking for a commentary on it. Its installed on my computer and I suspect I am not using it to its fullest potential and I want to. How ? b) I don't like the new desktop icons either, but I just turned them off. Do you mean you turned off the collars so that they look like the icons did in KDE 3.5.9 ? How ? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Its not a KDE4.0 bashing session... was: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
2008/7/18 linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 18:50 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: I use KDE 4 daily on both of my computers, as the primary desktop environment. I don't like the new desktop icons either, but I just turned them off. The ability to manage files on the desktop background is far from necessary, imo. In addition, there is greatly improved support for desktop icons coming in KDE 4.1, so this is just a temporary solution until the better one is ready. a) I didn't mean to start a KDE4.0 bashing session. I am not asking for a commentary on it. Its installed on my computer and I suspect I am not using it to its fullest potential and I want to. How ? I really think the desktop icon implementation in KDE 4.0 is close to unusable, and I thus disabled them completely. I Instead use the desktop to display a beautiful wallpaper, that I can even decorate with a few pictures (the picture frame plasmoid) and a big clock. The desktop icons are... interesting, but not really useful. At least I can now enjoy the actuall desktop wallpaper and not the usual mess I get when I am too lazy to keep my files organized elsewhere than the desktop. I think the optimal use of the KDE 4.0 desktop space is to use it for anything else besides icons. b) I don't like the new desktop icons either, but I just turned them off. Do you mean you turned off the collars so that they look like the icons did in KDE 3.5.9 ? How ? I don't know how to get rid of the collars. Fortunately, the folderview applet in KDE 4.1 doesn't have them around icons. The frame around the applet itself is probably dependent on the plasma theme that is being used. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Friday 18 July 2008 17:11:43 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: 4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a landscape LCD? ?? 1024x768 is landscape, isn't it? He probably meant widescreen. However, to answer the question, no...not really. 1024x768 is a standard resolution for a 4:3 style monitor up to a particular size (14 and 15 monitors come to mind). You remember: 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 (most 17 screens) 1600x1200 (19/20) -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan at gmail.com writes: 1) How do I resize the Desktop plasmoid? It has no handles. You mean the folderview showing the desktop icons? Or the whole desktop? If it's the latter, that shouldn't need to be resized at all (see also point 4). 2) How do I rearrange stuff in the Panel? There used to be a gawd-awful start move/end move thing on the panel menu in 4.0 but at least it worked. Now it's gone. You put up the panel controller then you dragdrop your applet. See: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/07/05/move-your-applets-freely/ 4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a landscape LCD? Is this some sort of dual screen configuration, e.g. a laptop with an external video output? If so, it's probably picking up the size of the wrong display: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440239 Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
2008/7/18 linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I upgraded to F9 when it first came out. Everything works, but my desktop is a mess. But surely I am missing something, after all, why are the KDE developers so proud of their work ? So... how is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ? Right now I have about 100 icons for folders and files randomly dispersed on the desktop. How do I clean them up and get my desktop organized again ? I hate that I can't drag and drop files into folders on the desktop. Is there a way to do this without using Dolphin ? I hate the collars that appear around the file and folder icons. Can they be turned off ? Thanks I use KDE 4 daily on both of my computers, as the primary desktop environment. I don't like the new desktop icons either, but I just turned them off. The ability to manage files on the desktop background is far from necessary, imo. In addition, there is greatly improved support for desktop icons coming in KDE 4.1, so this is just a temporary solution until the better one is ready. Currently, I'm only running F9/KDE4 on one system (desktop...not upgrading my laptop until I have a chance to try out KDE4.1 on my desktop). I don't put much on my desktop...I use the Favorites section of the menu. I've never been a big fan of cluttering my desktop, anyhow...too difficult to remember what's there, and where it is. My one concern, now that I've been using it a while, is the limited functionality of the Plasma widget tool in the upper left corner. I've read a number of write-ups on KDE4, and note that there a couple of things not set up to run from that widget...right now, it only allows you to add/remove widgets from various places. My understanding is that you should be able to work with a number of settings, from the Cashew, than we seem to be able to do, now. Another thing I miss, going from KDE3 to KDE4, is that KDE3 would save the state of my desktop, so that any apps/konsoles I had up when I logged out would be brought back up when I logged back in. I'm having some trouble locating a setting for that, right now. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
Anne Wilson cannewilson at googlemail.com writes: 4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a landscape LCD? ?? 1024x768 is landscape, isn't it? He means widescreen (i.e. wider than 4:3). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Friday 18 July 2008 18:05:44 Kevin Kofler wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan at gmail.com writes: 1) How do I resize the Desktop plasmoid? It has no handles. You mean the folderview showing the desktop icons? Or the whole desktop? If it's the latter, that shouldn't need to be resized at all (see also point 4). 2) How do I rearrange stuff in the Panel? There used to be a gawd-awful start move/end move thing on the panel menu in 4.0 but at least it worked. Now it's gone. You put up the panel controller then you dragdrop your applet. See: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/07/05/move-your-applets-freely/ Second sentence, Kevin - quote This will be included in KDE 4.1 final. /quote Standard Fedora and Mandriva are still on 4.0.x. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 17:29 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 17:11:43 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Be careful what you ask for Anne :-) Here are some (using 4.0.98 at the moment): 1) How do I resize the Desktop plasmoid? It has no handles. AIUI, that is a 4.1 feature. I'm pretty certain I've read that that's fixed in 4.1. 2) How do I rearrange stuff in the Panel? There used to be a gawd-awful start move/end move thing on the panel menu in 4.0 but at least it worked. Now it's gone. I'm not using Fedora at this moment, so I can't check, but it was there last week. However, I understand that that was a Fedora work-around. I *think* it's fixed in 4.1. Meanwhile, the recommended method in 4.0 is to delete icons from the panel and add them again in the order you want them. 3) Why is the Kmix icon in minimized state (i.e. in the panel) different from its normal icon? This last could be my config as I just carried it over from 3.5, but I don't see any way to change it. Actually, kmix is reluctant to show at all on mine :-) Seriously, though, I've wondered about that myself. The tiny icons that sit in two rows seem to be the things that load at startup, like klipper, wifi-status-indicator, korgac, and so on. Do you find the same? There seem to be two kinds: those that are just there because, such as Kmix, NM etc., and others that one puts there through the Autostart dialogue. In my case I only added Ktorrent to this last, nevertheless I have Kmix, Pidgin, NM, Amarok, Ksensors, Kpowersave (?) and the keyboard switcher thingy. I'm sure I did add these all at some point in my 3.5 days, but I no longer know where to change them. I'll try to find the answer to that one. 4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a landscape LCD? ?? 1024x768 is landscape, isn't it? No, it's 4x3 or a standard square TV monitor. Landscape is 16x9. I've set it correctly using the Display dialogue, but it doesn't remember its state. However as soon as I click on the Display setting it *immediately* corrects itself to 1440x900 without me touching anything else (except that I now have to resize some windows, not to mention the panel which doesn't adjust itself). I reported a version of this to BZ a while back but I need to update it. I don't think this is KDE-related at all. I think it's more concerned with the new way that X is being served - you know, not reading xorg.conf if it can get away without it. Just my guess, though. Maybe. I'm sure I can think of more but these are the most annoying. Luckily nothing is a showstopper. Yes, there are many small annoyances in 4.0, and there will still be some, though nowhere like as many, in 4.1, but, as you say, they are not show-stoppers. I was tempted to revert to the old ways, like using the Classic Menu, but stuck it out so that I could give support. I'm glad I did, as I find I have adapted my working practices almost without noticing, and I really like some of the changes. In passing, it may interest you to know that some of the developments were held up because they depend on Qt4, and Qt4 is still very much in development. As the boundaries are being pushed new needs are being discovered, and fixed as fast as devs can work. Thanks Anne. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a landscape LCD? ?? 1024x768 is landscape, isn't it? This one is easy, just edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root user and add Modes lines Original can look like: Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Videocard0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Add the Modes line with your optimal resolution included Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Videocard0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes 1440x900 1280x800 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection EndSection The numbers here can changed but namely you prefer 1440x900 as I saw in previous post. Try that and Deskop should start in your preferred resolution :) Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 13:07 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: Another thing I miss, going from KDE3 to KDE4, is that KDE3 would save the state of my desktop, so that any apps/konsoles I had up when I logged out would be brought back up when I logged back in. Settings-Advanced Tab-Session Manager-Restore Previous Session (or Manually Saved Session etc.). This is on 4.0.98. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 17:05 +, Kevin Kofler wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan at gmail.com writes: 1) How do I resize the Desktop plasmoid? It has no handles. You mean the folderview showing the desktop icons? Or the whole desktop? If it's the latter, that shouldn't need to be resized at all (see also point 4). It's the former. 2) How do I rearrange stuff in the Panel? There used to be a gawd-awful start move/end move thing on the panel menu in 4.0 but at least it worked. Now it's gone. You put up the panel controller then you dragdrop your applet. See: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/07/05/move-your-applets-freely/ Nice. 4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a landscape LCD? Is this some sort of dual screen configuration, e.g. a laptop with an external video output? If so, it's probably picking up the size of the wrong display: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440239 Nope, it's a bog-standard 19 Samsung SyncMaster 920 running off an onboard Intel 965. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 18:51 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 18:05:44 Kevin Kofler wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan at gmail.com writes: 1) How do I resize the Desktop plasmoid? It has no handles. You mean the folderview showing the desktop icons? Or the whole desktop? If it's the latter, that shouldn't need to be resized at all (see also point 4). 2) How do I rearrange stuff in the Panel? There used to be a gawd-awful start move/end move thing on the panel menu in 4.0 but at least it worked. Now it's gone. You put up the panel controller then you dragdrop your applet. See: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/07/05/move-your-applets-freely/ Second sentence, Kevin - quote This will be included in KDE 4.1 final. /quote Standard Fedora and Mandriva are still on 4.0.x. Actually it kind of works on 4.0.98. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Friday 18 July 2008 19:05:19 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 13:07 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: Another thing I miss, going from KDE3 to KDE4, is that KDE3 would save the state of my desktop, so that any apps/konsoles I had up when I logged out would be brought back up when I logged back in. Settings-Advanced Tab-Session Manager-Restore Previous Session (or Manually Saved Session etc.). This is on 4.0.98. I only get to work with my Fedora box spasmodically, so - how do you get 4.0.98? I'm sure I still only have 4.0.5, and I do update. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 11:04 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: 4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a landscape LCD? ?? 1024x768 is landscape, isn't it? This one is easy, just edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root user and add Modes lines There is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf. This is in line with current practice of trying to avoid it wherever possible. That's it's not necessary is demonstrated by the fact the 1440x900 mode works perfectly once I tell KDE to use it. The problem is that KDE forgets. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 19:12 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 19:02:27 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 17:29 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: There seem to be two kinds: those that are just there because, such as Kmix, NM etc., and others that one puts there through the Autostart dialogue. In my case I only added Ktorrent to this last, nevertheless I have Kmix, Pidgin, NM, Amarok, Ksensors, Kpowersave (?) and the keyboard switcher thingy. I'm sure I did add these all at some point in my 3.5 days, but I no longer know where to change them. You should be able to get rid of them from a right-click. I know. I don't want to get rid of them. However I'd still like to know where they are. I'll try to find the answer to that one. 4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a landscape LCD? ?? 1024x768 is landscape, isn't it? No, it's 4x3 or a standard square TV monitor. Landscape is 16x9. No, :-) Landscape is the opposite of portrait. 16x9 is widescreen. Quite right, my mistake. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
There is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf. This is in line with current practice of trying to avoid it wherever possible. That's it's not necessary is demonstrated by the fact the 1440x900 mode works perfectly once I tell KDE to use it. The problem is that KDE forgets. I did not know that KDE 4 had Alzheimer :( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alzheimer's_disease The session does not get saved, that is one problem that you have. But as for the xorg.conf, you decide that you do not like it, then you assume the consequences, the Modes lines fixes the situation, but you do not like the medicine :( In rawhide, sometimes removing xorg.conf is necessary, but here you should not resort to that. poc -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Friday 18 July 2008 19:21:39 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: There seem to be two kinds: those that are just there because, such as Kmix, NM etc., and others that one puts there through the Autostart dialogue. In my case I only added Ktorrent to this last, nevertheless I have Kmix, Pidgin, NM, Amarok, Ksensors, Kpowersave (?) and the keyboard switcher thingy. I'm sure I did add these all at some point in my 3.5 days, but I no longer know where to change them. You should be able to get rid of them from a right-click. I know. I don't want to get rid of them. However I'd still like to know where they are. Ah - we're bordering on the metaphysical, are we? :-) Where does the panel actually live? Can't answer that, sorry :-) Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 13:32 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 19:14 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 19:05:19 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 13:07 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: Another thing I miss, going from KDE3 to KDE4, is that KDE3 would save the state of my desktop, so that any apps/konsoles I had up when I logged out would be brought back up when I logged back in. Settings-Advanced Tab-Session Manager-Restore Previous Session (or Manually Saved Session etc.). This is on 4.0.98. I only get to work with my Fedora box spasmodically, so - how do you get 4.0.98? I'm sure I still only have 4.0.5, and I do update. Get the kde-redhat repo files and enable kde-unstable and kde-unstable-all. Erm, moved to kde-redhat/testing just today. (No need for any -all repos anymore) Yippee :-) Does this mean I should disable the kde-unstable-* stuff? poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Friday 18 July 2008 19:32:39 Rex Dieter wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 19:14 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 19:05:19 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 13:07 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: Another thing I miss, going from KDE3 to KDE4, is that KDE3 would save the state of my desktop, so that any apps/konsoles I had up when I logged out would be brought back up when I logged back in. Settings-Advanced Tab-Session Manager-Restore Previous Session (or Manually Saved Session etc.). This is on 4.0.98. I only get to work with my Fedora box spasmodically, so - how do you get 4.0.98? I'm sure I still only have 4.0.5, and I do update. Get the kde-redhat repo files and enable kde-unstable and kde-unstable-all. Erm, moved to kde-redhat/testing just today. (No need for any -all repos anymore) Thanks, Rex. With any luck I'll get a chance to try that tomorrow. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 19:42 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 19:21:39 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: There seem to be two kinds: those that are just there because, such as Kmix, NM etc., and others that one puts there through the Autostart dialogue. In my case I only added Ktorrent to this last, nevertheless I have Kmix, Pidgin, NM, Amarok, Ksensors, Kpowersave (?) and the keyboard switcher thingy. I'm sure I did add these all at some point in my 3.5 days, but I no longer know where to change them. You should be able to get rid of them from a right-click. I know. I don't want to get rid of them. However I'd still like to know where they are. Ah - we're bordering on the metaphysical, are we? :-) Where does the panel actually live? Can't answer that, sorry :-) Well it has to be in some config file somewhere, presumably under ~/.kde. I was hoping if I could find it it might be possible to fix the broken Kmix icon problem. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 11:40 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: There is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf. This is in line with current practice of trying to avoid it wherever possible. That's it's not necessary is demonstrated by the fact the 1440x900 mode works perfectly once I tell KDE to use it. The problem is that KDE forgets. I did not know that KDE 4 had Alzheimer :( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alzheimer's_disease The session does not get saved, that is one problem that you have. No it isn't. You're confusing me with someone else. My session saves perfectly. But as for the xorg.conf, you decide that you do not like it, then you assume the consequences, the Modes lines fixes the situation, but you do not like the medicine :( In rawhide, sometimes removing xorg.conf is necessary, but here you should not resort to that. It may well fix it, but that doesn't mean there isn't a bug in KDE. Let me clarify the exact details: * On first installing KDE4 it fired up in 4x3 mode. * I went to Settings-Display and configured it for 16x9 mode. This took effect immediately and worked fine. * On logging out and in again, it reverts to 4x3 mode (and my saved session windows are stretched). * On invoking Settings-Display the Resize and Rotate Your Display dialogue appears appears, showing 1440x900 (i.e. 16x9) and *without me touching anything* the screen immediately resizes to 16x9. I then have to resize my session windows to fit. i.e. KDE *knows* the screen is 1440x900, it just doesn't set it up correctly until poked. I don't think this is KDE at work, The is kxrandy or what ever it is called. And it is normally not permanent. Use system-config-display to set your resolution as you would like it. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Friday 18 July 2008 20:06:19 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 19:42 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 19:21:39 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: There seem to be two kinds: those that are just there because, such as Kmix, NM etc., and others that one puts there through the Autostart dialogue. In my case I only added Ktorrent to this last, nevertheless I have Kmix, Pidgin, NM, Amarok, Ksensors, Kpowersave (?) and the keyboard switcher thingy. I'm sure I did add these all at some point in my 3.5 days, but I no longer know where to change them. You should be able to get rid of them from a right-click. I know. I don't want to get rid of them. However I'd still like to know where they are. Ah - we're bordering on the metaphysical, are we? :-) Where does the panel actually live? Can't answer that, sorry :-) Well it has to be in some config file somewhere, presumably under ~/.kde. I was hoping if I could find it it might be possible to fix the broken Kmix icon problem. Well I've found some of them, in ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc Certainly gkrellm and kgpg, both apps that I've set up to start at bootup, are listed there. I don't think it accounts for all of them, though. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 14:18 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: i.e. KDE *knows* the screen is 1440x900, it just doesn't set it up correctly until poked. I don't think this is KDE at work, The is kxrandy or what ever it is called. And it is normally not permanent. Use system-config-display to set your resolution as you would like it. It won't allow me to set 1440x900, even when I set the monitor to be Generic LCD at 1440x900. The specific model (SyncMaster 920nw) is not in the database. Ok. I find system-config-display fairly limited myself, and often resort to editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 22:12 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 20:06:19 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 19:42 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 19:21:39 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: There seem to be two kinds: those that are just there because, such as Kmix, NM etc., and others that one puts there through the Autostart dialogue. In my case I only added Ktorrent to this last, nevertheless I have Kmix, Pidgin, NM, Amarok, Ksensors, Kpowersave (?) and the keyboard switcher thingy. I'm sure I did add these all at some point in my 3.5 days, but I no longer know where to change them. You should be able to get rid of them from a right-click. I know. I don't want to get rid of them. However I'd still like to know where they are. Ah - we're bordering on the metaphysical, are we? :-) Where does the panel actually live? Can't answer that, sorry :-) Well it has to be in some config file somewhere, presumably under ~/.kde. I was hoping if I could find it it might be possible to fix the broken Kmix icon problem. Well I've found some of them, in ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc Certainly gkrellm and kgpg, both apps that I've set up to start at bootup, are listed there. I don't think it accounts for all of them, though. Yes, it looks like that's where the Save Session feature stores its info. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 22:15 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 22:06:15 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 14:18 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: i.e. KDE *knows* the screen is 1440x900, it just doesn't set it up correctly until poked. I don't think this is KDE at work, The is kxrandy or what ever it is called. And it is normally not permanent. Use system-config-display to set your resolution as you would like it. It won't allow me to set 1440x900, even when I set the monitor to be Generic LCD at 1440x900. The specific model (SyncMaster 920nw) is not in the database. Is the refresh rate correct for that setting? The only way to tell is to create the xorg.conf file. I did that and the horizontal and vertical rates are well within spec, but of course this is for the wrong resolution (1400x1050 instead of 1440x900). I realize I could just mess around with xorg.conf till it works, but that to me is not a solution. There is clearly a bug in KDE (maybe also in X or at least system-config-display) and a kludge isn't the answer. I can accept an xorg.conf file for some unusual requirement such as a proprietary video driver or even for 2 monitors, but this setup is just about as basic as it's possible to get and it isn't working. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 22:15 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 22:06:15 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 14:18 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: i.e. KDE *knows* the screen is 1440x900, it just doesn't set it up correctly until poked. I don't think this is KDE at work, The is kxrandy or what ever it is called. And it is normally not permanent. Use system-config-display to set your resolution as you would like it. It won't allow me to set 1440x900, even when I set the monitor to be Generic LCD at 1440x900. The specific model (SyncMaster 920nw) is not in the database. Is the refresh rate correct for that setting? The only way to tell is to create the xorg.conf file. I did that and the horizontal and vertical rates are well within spec, but of course this is for the wrong resolution (1400x1050 instead of 1440x900). I realize I could just mess around with xorg.conf till it works, but that to me is not a solution. There is clearly a bug in KDE (maybe also in X or at least system-config-display) and a kludge isn't the answer. I can accept an xorg.conf file for some unusual requirement such as a proprietary video driver or even for 2 monitors, but this setup is just about as basic as it's possible to get and it isn't working. How did you come to the conclusion that the bug is in KDE, your Desktop Manager, and not xorg, your display manager? -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
Anne Wilson cannewilson at googlemail.com writes: Ah - we're bordering on the metaphysical, are we? Where does the panel actually live? Can't answer that, sorry Most systray applets are autostarted from .desktop files in some autostart folder, normally /etc/xdg/autostart, but there's also the KDE-specific /usr/share/autostart and a per-user Autostart folder in ~/.kde. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
Anne Wilson cannewilson at googlemail.com writes: Second sentence, Kevin - quote This will be included in KDE 4.1 final. /quote Standard Fedora and Mandriva are still on 4.0.x. But he's using 4.0.98 which is 4.1 RC1, not the default Fedora 9 KDE (which is currently 4.0.5, we're working on a 4.1 upgrade). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 17:25 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 22:15 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 22:06:15 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 14:18 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: i.e. KDE *knows* the screen is 1440x900, it just doesn't set it up correctly until poked. I don't think this is KDE at work, The is kxrandy or what ever it is called. And it is normally not permanent. Use system-config-display to set your resolution as you would like it. It won't allow me to set 1440x900, even when I set the monitor to be Generic LCD at 1440x900. The specific model (SyncMaster 920nw) is not in the database. Is the refresh rate correct for that setting? The only way to tell is to create the xorg.conf file. I did that and the horizontal and vertical rates are well within spec, but of course this is for the wrong resolution (1400x1050 instead of 1440x900). I realize I could just mess around with xorg.conf till it works, but that to me is not a solution. There is clearly a bug in KDE (maybe also in X or at least system-config-display) and a kludge isn't the answer. I can accept an xorg.conf file for some unusual requirement such as a proprietary video driver or even for 2 monitors, but this setup is just about as basic as it's possible to get and it isn't working. How did you come to the conclusion that the bug is in KDE, your Desktop Manager, and not xorg, your display manager? Because it works under Gnome. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
