How to identify 32 or 64 bits -

2009-12-17 Thread Bob Goodwin


   Can someone tell me how to determine if a computer can run 64 bit
   Fedora?

   I have two similar Dell desk top computers with what appears to be
   the same processor, one of which has had F-12 64 bit installed on it
   and seems to be happy. I always assumed they were 32 bit computers
   and really don't care which they are but wish to avoid using the
   b.w. to download another copy of F-12.

   I need to know before I can upgrade the second one.

   Thanks.

   Bob


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Re: How to identify 32 or 64 bits -

2009-12-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 12/17/2009 06:11 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> 
>Can someone tell me how to determine if a computer can run 64 bit
>Fedora?
> 
>I have two similar Dell desk top computers with what appears to be
>the same processor, one of which has had F-12 64 bit installed on it
>and seems to be happy. I always assumed they were 32 bit computers
>and really don't care which they are but wish to avoid using the
>b.w. to download another copy of F-12.
> 
>I need to know before I can upgrade the second one.
> 
>Thanks.
> 
>Bob
> 

As I indicated in the other thread,

# grep lm /proc/cpuinfo

If it returns nothing, your system is 32-bit.

Rahul

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Re: How to identify 32 or 64 bits -

2009-12-17 Thread Bob Goodwin

On 17/12/09 07:50, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

On 12/17/2009 06:11 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
   

Can someone tell me how to determine if a computer can run 64 bit
Fedora?

I have two similar Dell desk top computers with what appears to be
the same processor, one of which has had F-12 64 bit installed on it
and seems to be happy. I always assumed they were 32 bit computers
and really don't care which they are but wish to avoid using the
b.w. to download another copy of F-12.

I need to know before I can upgrade the second one.

Thanks.

Bob

 

As I indicated in the other thread,

# grep lm /proc/cpuinfo

If it returns nothing, your system is 32-bit.

Rahul

   
I'm sorry, I missed the "grep." So all I did was cat the /proc/info and 
didn't know what to look for?


This F-11 box yields:

   [b...@box9 ~]$ grep lm /proc/cpuinfo
   "nothing returned"


While the Omega F-12 box yields:

   [b...@box6 ~]$ grep lm /proc/cpuinfo
   flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca
   cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe
   syscall nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl cid
   cx16 xtpr
   flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca
   cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe
   syscall nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl cid
   cx16 xtpr


From which I shall conclude that box6 is 64 bit and will work with the 
version installed but that box9 will not.


So I will have to burn up some more of my b.w. allotment and download 
the final release.  Ok, just as long as I know I'm not doing something 
unnecessary. I knew I was taking a chance with the RC1 version.


Once more I appreciate your work and the help.

Thank you.

Bob


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Re: How to identify 32 or 64 bits -

2009-12-17 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 18:20 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 12/17/2009 06:11 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> > 
> >Can someone tell me how to determine if a computer can run 64 bit
> >Fedora?
> > 
> >I have two similar Dell desk top computers with what appears to be
> >the same processor, one of which has had F-12 64 bit installed on it
> >and seems to be happy. I always assumed they were 32 bit computers
> >and really don't care which they are but wish to avoid using the
> >b.w. to download another copy of F-12.
> > 
> >I need to know before I can upgrade the second one.
> > 
> >Thanks.
> > 
> >Bob
> > 
> 
> As I indicated in the other thread,
> 
> # grep lm /proc/cpuinfo
> 
> If it returns nothing, your system is 32-bit.

But the converse is not necessarily true, e.g. on my 32-bit Asus netbook
I get:

bash-4.0$ grep lm /proc/cpuinfo
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat 
clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon 
pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe lahf_lm
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat 
clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon 
pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe lahf_lm
bash-4.0$

(the lahf_lm flag matches, though I've no idea what it means).

poc

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Re: How to identify 32 or 64 bits -

2009-12-17 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 13:48 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> bash-4.0$ grep lm /proc/cpuinfo
> flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov 
> pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc 
> arch_perfmon pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe 
> lahf_lm
> flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov 
> pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc 
> arch_perfmon pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe 
> lahf_lm
> bash-4.0$
> 
> (the lahf_lm flag matches, though I've no idea what it means).

arch/x86/include/asm/cpufeature.h says it indicates whether the
LAHF/SAHF (load status flags to AH /save AH to status flags)
instructions are available in long mode.

I'm not sure what it implies if you have lahf_lm but not lm!

Regards,
Bryn.


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Re: How to identify 32 or 64 bits -

2009-12-17 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 08:44 -0500, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> On 17/12/09 07:50, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> I'm sorry, I missed the "grep." So all I did was cat the /proc/info and 
> didn't know what to look for?
> 
> This F-11 box yields:
> 
> [b...@box9 ~]$ grep lm /proc/cpuinfo
> "nothing returned"

This box doesn't have the lm flag.

> 
> While the Omega F-12 box yields:
> 
> [b...@box6 ~]$ grep lm /proc/cpuinfo
> flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca
> cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe
> syscall nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl cid
 ^^
 +--- that's what you're looking for!

Also, if you have 64-bit install media around you can always just try to
boot it on the other hardware. The worst that can happen is it will fail
horribly during booting - it won't leave you with a borked install that
won't boot (since the 64-bit media will boot a 64-bit kernel during the
installation).

Regards,
Bryn.

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Re: How to identify 32 or 64 bits -

2009-12-17 Thread Bob Goodwin

On 17/12/09 08:56, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:

On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 13:48 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
   

bash-4.0$ grep lm /proc/cpuinfo
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat 
clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon 
pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe lahf_lm
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat 
clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon 
pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe lahf_lm
bash-4.0$

(the lahf_lm flag matches, though I've no idea what it means).
 

arch/x86/include/asm/cpufeature.h says it indicates whether the
LAHF/SAHF (load status flags to AH /save AH to status flags)
instructions are available in long mode.

I'm not sure what it implies if you have lahf_lm but not lm!

Regards,
Bryn.


   


   Good!  Thanks to all who responded, this has been educational and
   worth the bandwidth expended to me ... So much to know, so little
   time to learn!

   Bob


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