How to install Fedora-12?
My ancient Pentium Pro (Asus P2B-LS) desktop does not appear to support booting from a USB stick, although it does have USB sockets. Is there any easy way to use my USB stick with F-12 on it to install Fedora on this machine? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 14:35:03 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: > My ancient Pentium Pro (Asus P2B-LS) desktop > does not appear to support booting from a USB stick, > although it does have USB sockets. > > Is there any easy way to use my USB stick with F-12 on it > to install Fedora on this machine? You can use it to hold a lot of the data, but you will need to boot off of some other device. There was some discussion about doing something similar using chain booting from grub as one of the options within the last week on one of the Fedora lists. There might be some helpful advice in that thread. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
I don't know anything about USB sticks. But my experience on booting f11 installed on an external USB drive may help you: In my case my BIOS does not recognize the USB drive at all. What I had to do was put the kernel (vmlinuz and initrd.img) somewhere on my internal hdisks. In my case I put them on sdb1 (I have 2 internal scsi hdisks), referenced then in grub.conf as "root (hd1,0)" For my f11 install, I downloaded the f11 iso somewhere onto my internal hdisks, and did a hard disk install to the USB disk. The presence of the external USB, causes the scsi disks to be reordered to sdb, sdc with the USB seen as sda for the anaconda installer. This disk reordering does not extend to the above "root (hd1,0)": I had to leave that just as if the USB disk is not connected ( because my BIOS doesn't see the USB disk). This works. Of course you are then tied to an install with the root fs on USB, and the kernel on internal hdisk. hth Jack -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> My ancient Pentium Pro (Asus P2B-LS) desktop >> does not appear to support booting from a USB stick, >> although it does have USB sockets. >> >> Is there any easy way to use my USB stick with F-12 on it >> to install Fedora on this machine? > There was some discussion about doing something similar using chain > booting from grub as one of the options within the last week on one of the > Fedora lists. There might be some helpful advice in that thread. I didn't find this thread. Under Fedora-11, the USB stick is /dev/sdc , with the Fedora-12 partition at /dev/sdc2 . However, when I ran grub interactively, and set grub> root (hd2,1) it said that that disk did not exist. I tried hd0 to hd6 but it only found my 2 SCSI disks at hd0 and hd1 . It seems that grub does not necessarily see a USB disk, even if Fedora can see it. I should say that this is only an experiment. I could perfectly well install from hard disk (and probably will) or (possibly) with PXEboot. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
Timothy Murphy replied: > Under Fedora-11, the USB stick is /dev/sdc , > with the Fedora-12 partition at /dev/sdc2 . > However, when I ran grub interactively, and set > grub> root (hd2,1) > it said that that disk did not exist. > I tried hd0 to hd6 but it only found > my 2 SCSI disks at hd0 and hd1 . > It seems that grub does not necessarily see a USB disk, > even if Fedora can see it. Yes, exactly the point of my earlier reply. If you 'cp' or 'mv' the vmlinuz and initrd.img to your internal disks, then grub can find them. Jack -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
jackson byers wrote: >> Under Fedora-11, the USB stick is /dev/sdc , >> with the Fedora-12 partition at /dev/sdc2 . > >> However, when I ran grub interactively, and set > >> grub> root (hd2,1) > >> it said that that disk did not exist. >> I tried hd0 to hd6 but it only found >> my 2 SCSI disks at hd0 and hd1 . > >> It seems that grub does not necessarily see a USB disk, >> even if Fedora can see it. > > Yes, exactly the point of my earlier reply. > > If you 'cp' or 'mv' the vmlinuz and initrd.img to > your internal disks, then grub can find them. But will it then be able to see the USB stick, in order to copy the Fedora-12 files to the hard disk? Otherwise the exercise seems pointless, as one might as well have copied the ISO file to the hard disk. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
>> If you 'cp' or 'mv' the vmlinuz and initrd.img to >> your internal disks, then grub can find them. > But will it then be able to see the USB stick, > in order to copy the Fedora-12 files to the hard disk? > Otherwise the exercise seems pointless, > as one might as well have copied the ISO file to the hard disk. > Timothy Murphy All I can say is what I have successfully done, more than once. --I can _install_ to my USB external disk. ---I installed f11 via first downloading iso to my internal disks. and then followed hard-disk install procedure. ---I also installed f10 to my USB external disk, here via DVD. In both cases the anaconda installer sees the USB as sda and reorders my internal disks to sdb, sdc --In neither case, could I _boot_ the USB installs, unless I put the vmlinuz,initrd onto my internal disk and referenced properly that internal disk location with the proper "root (hd1,0)" in my grub.conf. This root (hd1,0) line in grub.conf does not use the reordered positions for disks as seen by anaconda. Instead it uses the internal disks as if the USB is not there at all; because that is what my BIOS sees. This is not pointless at all: my goal was to use external USB for the installs because I had no easily used room on my internal disks. Possibly I have misinterpreted what you are trying to do; if so, sorry for the noise Jack -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
jackson byers wrote: > All I can say is what I have successfully done, more than once. > --I can _install_ to my USB external disk. > ---I installed f11 via first downloading iso to my internal disks. > and then followed hard-disk install procedure. ... > This is not pointless at all: my goal was to use external USB > for the installs because I had no easily used room on my internal disks. > > Possibly I have misinterpreted what you are trying to do; I don't really understand what you did - you say you downloaded the ISO to your hard disk. and then did a hard-disk install. So how were you using the external USB for the install? It isn't important. I was just wondering if there was a way of installing from my USB stick, even if I had to copy vmlinuz and initrd to my hard disk first. But it is really a purely theoretical question -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
>> Possibly I have misinterpreted what you are trying to do; > I don't really understand what you did - > you say you downloaded the ISO to your hard disk. > and then did a hard-disk install. > So how were you using the external USB for the install? I pick a partition on the USB when the Anaconda Installer starts. for F11 I did the d/l of iso and did a hard disk install to USB partition 3. for F10 I used the DVD and did the install to USB partition 2. I am thinking my success isn't helping you at all and I have probably misinterpreted you, here in particular: >I was just wondering if there was a way of installing from my USB stick, I don't know what you mean installing "from" your USB stick. I was installing "to" my USB external disk Jack -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
On 11/30/2009 05:58 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > jackson byers wrote: > >>> Under Fedora-11, the USB stick is /dev/sdc , >>> with the Fedora-12 partition at /dev/sdc2 . >> >>> However, when I ran grub interactively, and set >> >>> grub> root (hd2,1) >> >>> it said that that disk did not exist. >>> I tried hd0 to hd6 but it only found >>> my 2 SCSI disks at hd0 and hd1 . >> >>> It seems that grub does not necessarily see a USB disk, >>> even if Fedora can see it. >> >> Yes, exactly the point of my earlier reply. >> >> If you 'cp' or 'mv' the vmlinuz and initrd.img to >> your internal disks, then grub can find them. > > But will it then be able to see the USB stick, > in order to copy the Fedora-12 files to the hard disk? > > Otherwise the exercise seems pointless, > as one might as well have copied the ISO file to the hard disk. > > Once the kernel boots, it will see the USB drive as long as the USB and USB storage modules are build into initrd.img. Once the kernel and the initial ramdisk are loaded, you are no longer using the BIOS for access. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
Mikkel wrote: >> But will it then be able to see the USB stick, >> in order to copy the Fedora-12 files to the hard disk? >> >> Otherwise the exercise seems pointless, >> as one might as well have copied the ISO file to the hard disk. >> >> > Once the kernel boots, it will see the USB drive as long as the USB > and USB storage modules are build into initrd.img. Once the kernel > and the initial ramdisk are loaded, you are no longer using the BIOS > for access. But if I click on "Install on Hard Disk", won't it look on the hard disk where vmlinuz and initrd have been copied for the data to download? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Mikkel wrote: > >>> But will it then be able to see the USB stick, >>> in order to copy the Fedora-12 files to the hard disk? >>> >>> Otherwise the exercise seems pointless, >>> as one might as well have copied the ISO file to the hard disk. >>> >>> >> Once the kernel boots, it will see the USB drive as long as the USB >> and USB storage modules are build into initrd.img. Once the kernel >> and the initial ramdisk are loaded, you are no longer using the BIOS >> for access. > > But if I click on "Install on Hard Disk", > won't it look on the hard disk where vmlinuz and initrd have been copied > for the data to download? They are copied into ram on boot, not put into the hard disk. If it works correctly it should look for the data on the usb stick. If it does not you are given the option of downloading the installation files from the internet. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: How to install Fedora-12?
Can someone please point to where I can take myself out of this forum? Kindly, Alex -Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Murphy Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:16 PM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: How to install Fedora-12? Mikkel wrote: >> But will it then be able to see the USB stick, >> in order to copy the Fedora-12 files to the hard disk? >> >> Otherwise the exercise seems pointless, >> as one might as well have copied the ISO file to the hard disk. >> >> > Once the kernel boots, it will see the USB drive as long as the USB > and USB storage modules are build into initrd.img. Once the kernel > and the initial ramdisk are loaded, you are no longer using the BIOS > for access. But if I click on "Install on Hard Disk", won't it look on the hard disk where vmlinuz and initrd have been copied for the data to download? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4650 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4650 (20091130) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: How to install Fedora-12?
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 20:05 -0800, Alex Bahoor wrote: > Can someone please point to where I can take myself out of this forum? the bottom of every e-mail says... fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines I would recommend that you focus on the sentence that says 'To unsubscribe:' Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
On Monday 30 November 2009, Alex Bahoor wrote: >Can someone please point to where I can take myself out of this forum? > >Kindly, > > >Alex First, this is not a forum, but a mailing list. And the un-subscribe instructions are at the bottom of every message that comes through the list server. If your email agent is not showing them to you, it's broken. I cannot find a positive agent identifier in the headers of your email, only this: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 So it doesn't surprise me that it is falsely stripping the bottom of the messages you see. You can also find un-subscribe links in your messages header, I believe also in clickable format. You should be able to turn header visibility on to see those links. Only you can do the unsub, and you _must_ reply to the confirmation message the server will send you before it will unsub you. >-Original Message- >From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Murphy >Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:16 PM >To: fedora-list@redhat.com >Subject: Re: How to install Fedora-12? > >Mikkel wrote: >>> But will it then be able to see the USB stick, >>> in order to copy the Fedora-12 files to the hard disk? >>> >>> Otherwise the exercise seems pointless, >>> as one might as well have copied the ISO file to the hard disk. >> >> Once the kernel boots, it will see the USB drive as long as the USB >> and USB storage modules are build into initrd.img. Once the kernel >> and the initial ramdisk are loaded, you are no longer using the BIOS >> for access. > >But if I click on "Install on Hard Disk", >won't it look on the hard disk where vmlinuz and initrd have been copied >for the data to download? > -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. <https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp> so, how's everything in the world of Quack? just ducky excellent, fried duck is mighty fine tasty. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 22:03 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I was just wondering if there was a way of installing from my USB > stick, even if I had to copy vmlinuz and initrd to my hard disk first. Installing the LiveCd version from a stick is simple. It's how I originally got F11 onto my netbook. Updating to F12 from the full DVD download (even copied to a stick) is a lot harder than it should be. I know it can be done because several people have reported doing it, but they all recommend slightly different and rather hacky methods. Perhaps a full install or update from USB devices should be added as an option in future releases as I'm sure it's going to become an increasingly common requirement. I finally just did preupgrade and it worked, touch wood, but that depends on having a working system (and network) when you're doing it. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
Steven Susbauer wrote: >> But if I click on "Install on Hard Disk", >> won't it look on the hard disk where vmlinuz and initrd have been copied >> for the data to download? > > They are copied into ram on boot, not put into the hard disk. I think you have mis-read, or not read, the thread. It was suggested that one _should_ copy vmlinuz and initrd to the hard disk, as a way of installing Fedora-12 if the machine does not support booting from a USB stick. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> I was just wondering if there was a way of installing from my USB >> stick, even if I had to copy vmlinuz and initrd to my hard disk first. > > Installing the LiveCd version from a stick is simple. It's simple if you can boot from a USB stick. (In my experience installing Fedora-12 in this way is much easier than any previous version of Fedora). But the question is: can one install from the stick in some way if the machine does _not_ support booting from it? The suggestion was that one should copy vmlinuz and initrd from the stick to the hard disk, and add a stanza to grub.conf to boot from this. My question is: would clicking on "Copy to hard disk" at that point look at the USB stick for the data to copy? I should really try this instead of talking about it - but I have already installed Fedora-12 on this machine by PXEboot. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 13:16 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > >> I was just wondering if there was a way of installing from my USB > >> stick, even if I had to copy vmlinuz and initrd to my hard disk first. > > > > Installing the LiveCd version from a stick is simple. > > It's simple if you can boot from a USB stick. > (In my experience installing Fedora-12 in this way > is much easier than any previous version of Fedora). Again, it's simple for the LiveCD version. It's not simple for the DVD version when you have no optical drive but do have a (large enough) USB stick, even when the machine can boot from USB. > But the question is: can one install from the stick in some way > if the machine does _not_ support booting from it? That's beyond my experience. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
On 12/01/2009 07:16 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > But the question is: can one install from the stick in some way > if the machine does _not_ support booting from it? > The suggestion was that one should copy vmlinuz and initrd > from the stick to the hard disk, > and add a stanza to grub.conf to boot from this. > My question is: would clicking on "Copy to hard disk" at that point > look at the USB stick for the data to copy? > Something to think about - it is already using the USB stick as its source. The file system that is on the stick is a compressed file system, so it is already accessing it. When it does the copy to disk, it is coping the expanded version of the file system, not the compressed image. At that point, it does not care where the compressed image is. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
On 11/30/2009 09:16 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> Once the kernel boots, it will see the USB drive as long as the USB >> and USB storage modules are build into initrd.img. Once the kernel >> and the initial ramdisk are loaded, you are no longer using the BIOS >> for access. > > But if I click on "Install on Hard Disk", > won't it look on the hard disk where vmlinuz and initrd have been copied > for the data to download? > No. Remember, the file system from the live CD is a compressed file system. It is the uncompressed, working version of the file system that is copied. If it just copied the compressed image, then updates would quickly become a problem. You can not write to the compressed file system, and using a persistent overlay, like you do when running from the USB stick, is not a good option. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
