Re: How well does Fedora handle ATI cards?
Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: Nouveau is just for Nvidia hardware. The rough equivalent for ATI devices is the radeon driver. RPM Fusion nonfree doesn't currently ship the proprietary Catalyst/fglrx driver for Fedora 11 So, Radeon is free, Catalyst/fglrx non-free? because it is incompatible with Linux 2.6.29 and newer, and F11 uses a kernel based on the 2.6.29 series. So if you want to use this driver, the only Fedora option is really Fedora 10, until AMD updates the driver to support a newer Linux. Ok, so that's why, when I bought my computer and I said I would use Linux, the salesman suggested I buy an Nvidia card. I've installed Compiz, but are there other uses for 3D ? If not, if one doesn't care about Compiz, I understand that Frank Cox says he had no problem whatsoever with his ATI cards. How do you manage ATI cards with F11 and the 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.x86_64 kernel? I use the radeon driver provided by Fedora. Currently it has no hardware 3D acceleration features, but there's support for 2D exa and xv acceleration, so the driver works just fine for basic use. For older ATI hardware (R500 generation and older), there's even 3D support. The non-free Catalyst driver supports distributions, not kernels, and Fedora is not in their list of supported distributions. Fedora, on the other hand, has nothing to do with the proprietary drivers from neither AMD nor Nvidia, and thus won't pick an older kernel just to support them. Sometimes Catalyst seems to work on Fedora, but quite often Fedora has something too new for it, and it fails to work. Due to this, I think that the free drivers are the only viable long-term option for use in Fedora. Fortunately, AMD has released specifications that help create free drivers for the new ATI hardware, and there's work ongoing to get radeon driver provide 3D acceleration even for the newest devices. It seems that the development repos have some 3D stuff already working, but the work hasn't yet landed to stable releases of the graphics stack components. Still, this looks very promising. 3D non-proprietary? That would indeed be nice! Thanks a lot for your very comprehensive answer, Joonas! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How well does Fedora handle ATI cards?
2009/8/4 gil...@altern.org: Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: Nouveau is just for Nvidia hardware. The rough equivalent for ATI devices is the radeon driver. RPM Fusion nonfree doesn't currently ship the proprietary Catalyst/fglrx driver for Fedora 11 So, Radeon is free, Catalyst/fglrx non-free? because it is incompatible with Linux 2.6.29 and newer, and F11 uses a kernel based on the 2.6.29 series. So if you want to use this driver, the only Fedora option is really Fedora 10, until AMD updates the driver to support a newer Linux. Ok, so that's why, when I bought my computer and I said I would use Linux, the salesman suggested I buy an Nvidia card. I've installed Compiz, but are there other uses for 3D ? If not, if one doesn't care about Compiz, I understand that Frank Cox says he had no problem whatsoever with his ATI cards. I have one of those RV770 unsupported cards, and I used to get reasonable 3D support in F10 (as the older kernel was supported and the free drivers were not upto the mark then). Now with F11 I don't have 3D support as I have to use the free drivers (they are much more usable compared to F10), and I _do_ get very reasonable 2D support. Playing hi-defn (formats like .mkv or .ts) video can be a bit CPU intensive. And sometimes fullscreen flash videos also render very jerky, (youtube plays just fine tho) Overall I would say the 2D support is very reasonable. If you buy an older generation ATI (RV 500 or below) you should be good to go. GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How well does Fedora handle ATI cards?
gil...@altern.org wrote: So, Radeon is free, Catalyst/fglrx non-free? Not quite. radeon and radeonhd are free-as-in-speech (libre). They're [supposedly] fully supported by the community and Redhat. These are updated with every kernel version. - Radeon will work on most cards, and will almost definitely work on old ATI cards. Some new cards are not supported. - RadeonHD mostly works with newer cards only (at least it used to) -- and is still under development. Old cards are not likely to work. catalyst/fglrx is proprietary but free-as-in-beer (gratis). They're [supposedly] supported by ATI (I guess AMD, now). In practical terms, they should work on all recent ATI cards, but not all kernel versions (they're distributed as pre-compiled code and will only work with a small set of kernel versions). Many (most?) old cards are not supported. There's no point asking ATI/AMD for help, they'll either ignore you or tell you to hang tight until next version of the driver is released. On the flipside, the 3D support is* best here. * That used to be the case about a year ago. I don't think radeon could've progressed enough to beat fglrx in performance, but it should have fairly good performance. See http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20922 if you want to get some historical background. Practically, you should try the drivers in the following order and stick with the one that works for you: 1. radeon 2. radeonhd 3. fglrx Ok, so that's why, when I bought my computer and I said I would use Linux, the salesman suggested I buy an Nvidia card. My coworker is also an nvidia enthusiast, but my ATI X1400 works perfectly well with fglrx (I still haven't upgraded from F8, and radeon driver wasn't good enough for me there). I've also tried F11 live cd and the fresh radeon support looks good so far. OTOH, I've had the worst time while trying nvidia proprietary driver I've installed Compiz, but are there other uses for 3D ? If not, if one doesn't care about Compiz, I understand that Frank Cox says he had no problem whatsoever with his ATI cards. Yes - many games use 3D :) Some media players can also use 3D acceleration to render video -- this could give you very nice features like antialiasing/deinterlacing/etc with low cpu overhead (since they're implemented in videocard hardware). Not sure if these always work in practice, though. HTH -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How well does Fedora handle ATI cards?
gil...@altern.org wrote: I already said that I had no problem with my NVIDIA card and Fedora. Once you know that you must get your instructions at rpmfusion, everything is fine. The Nouveau driver also worked very well, but only in 2D, of course. Suse, and Mint, which I tried yesterday, only got me to a 800 x 600 screen. You should be able to get higher resolution that that, first go into hardware selection (system-administration-display) and be sure the display type is set to a large screen size, then log out and back in, and set the size you want to use in the same menu. And log out and back in. Finally set the size you want in System-Preferences-Hardware-ScreenResolution. Then log out and log again yet again. That should do it. Yes, the log out and in is like rebooting Windows, And if that doesn't help, you may need to install and run system-config-display from the command line and see if that works better. I suppose the Nouveau driver recognizes ATI cards but what if you want 3D? I found this for x86_64: http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/updates/testing/10/x86_64/repoview/kmod-fglrx-2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.x86_64.html but it's for an old kernel and an old version of Fedora. How do you manage ATI cards with F11 and the 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.x86_64 kernel? The default driver should provide up to 2D correct function, but it is very s...l...o...w on some graphics chips. There was a fast vendor driver for F10, but it wasn't free enough, so Fedora was upgraded to a kernel which can't use the better drivers. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How well does Fedora handle ATI cards?
gil...@altern.org wrote: I already said that I had no problem with my NVIDIA card and Fedora. Once you know that you must get your instructions at rpmfusion, everything is fine. The Nouveau driver also worked very well, but only in 2D, of course. Suse, and Mint, which I tried yesterday, only got me to a 800 x 600 screen. You should be able to get higher resolution that that Unfortunately, the Suse CD was overwritten and I can't check, but I'm sure there must have been some way around this problem. But I wouldn't have been caught dead using Suse and I didn't insist, like most newbies would have done, notice. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
How well does Fedora handle ATI cards?
I already said that I had no problem with my NVIDIA card and Fedora. Once you know that you must get your instructions at rpmfusion, everything is fine. The Nouveau driver also worked very well, but only in 2D, of course. Suse, and Mint, which I tried yesterday, only got me to a 800 x 600 screen. I suppose the Nouveau driver recognizes ATI cards but what if you want 3D? I found this for x86_64: http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/updates/testing/10/x86_64/repoview/kmod-fglrx-2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.x86_64.html but it's for an old kernel and an old version of Fedora. How do you manage ATI cards with F11 and the 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.x86_64 kernel? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How well does Fedora handle ATI cards?
On 08/03/2009 10:09 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote: I already said that I had no problem with my NVIDIA card and Fedora. Once you know that you must get your instructions at rpmfusion, everything is fine. The Nouveau driver also worked very well, but only in 2D, of course. Suse, and Mint, which I tried yesterday, only got me to a 800 x 600 screen. I suppose the Nouveau driver recognizes ATI cards but what if you want 3D? I found this for x86_64: http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/updates/testing/10/x86_64/repoview/kmod-fglrx-2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.x86_64.html but it's for an old kernel and an old version of Fedora. How do you manage ATI cards with F11 and the 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.x86_64 kernel? The Nouveau driver is only for Nvidia cards. There are open and closed source ATI drivers, but I'm ignorant about the details. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How well does Fedora handle ATI cards?
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:09:22 +0500 (GMT-5) gil...@altern.org wrote: How do you manage ATI cards with F11 and the 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.x86_64 kernel? I have a Radeon X1950 Pro card in this computer and it requires no management at all. It started working when I installed Fedora 11 on it and has continued to work ever since, with no tweaking or driver installation or anything else required. I had a Radeon X1550 card in the computer that this one replaced, and it worked fine with Fedora 10 as well. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How well does Fedora handle ATI cards?
2009/8/4 gil...@altern.org: I already said that I had no problem with my NVIDIA card and Fedora. Once you know that you must get your instructions at rpmfusion, everything is fine. The Nouveau driver also worked very well, but only in 2D, of course. Suse, and Mint, which I tried yesterday, only got me to a 800 x 600 screen. I suppose the Nouveau driver recognizes ATI cards but what if you want 3D? Nouveau is just for Nvidia hardware. The rough equivalent for ATI devices is the radeon driver. I found this for x86_64: http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/updates/testing/10/x86_64/repoview kmod-fglrx-2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.x86_64.html but it's for an old kernel and an old version of Fedora. RPM Fusion nonfree doesn't currently ship the proprietary Catalyst/fglrx driver for Fedora 11, because it is incompatible with Linux 2.6.29 and newer, and F11 uses a kernel based on the 2.6.29 series. So if you want to use this driver, the only Fedora option is really Fedora 10, until AMD updates the driver to support a newer Linux. How do you manage ATI cards with F11 and the 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.x86_64 kernel? I use the radeon driver provided by Fedora. Currently it has no hardware 3D acceleration features, but there's support for 2D exa and xv acceleration, so the driver works just fine for basic use. For older ATI hardware (R500 generation and older), there's even 3D support. The non-free Catalyst driver supports distributions, not kernels, and Fedora is not in their list of supported distributions. Fedora, on the other hand, has nothing to do with the proprietary drivers from neither AMD nor Nvidia, and thus won't pick an older kernel just to support them. Sometimes Catalyst seems to work on Fedora, but quite often Fedora has something too new for it, and it fails to work. Due to this, I think that the free drivers are the only viable long-term option for use in Fedora. Fortunately, AMD has released specifications that help create free drivers for the new ATI hardware, and there's work ongoing to get radeon driver provide 3D acceleration even for the newest devices. It seems that the development repos have some 3D stuff already working, but the work hasn't yet landed to stable releases of the graphics stack components. Still, this looks very promising. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
