Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB
Craig White wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 14:08 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 21:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: What is the rational for demanding that /root be a directory on /, and not a separate partition? See at: http://gene.homelinux.net:85/gene/pix/root-not-allowed.jpg I would presume that with runlevel 1 (single user mode), that it would be a problem to run as root and root's home directory is not available. Why would it be missing? The /root mount point would be there, the home directory would just be empty, and that's not an issue. good point I think that actually provides more of the actual reason why anaconda doesn't permit a /root mounted partition though because it would toss the logs into /root and the mount would hide the logs (but of course anaconda could probably move the files to the mounted partition but that would require more coding. I didn't mean to sound as if I favored /root as a filesystem, but the logic is bogus, the directory will certainly be there. The main use of the stuff in /root is for backup of local changes. ;-) find /etc -mnewer /root/install.log | cpio -oB -Hustar | gzip -9v etc-new-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB stick
On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 01:30:04PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 07 December 2009, Timothy Murphy wrote: I've been trying to install Fedora-12 from a memory stick to which I have transferred the KDE Live CD using livecd-iso-to-disk . The problem is that the ancient machine I am dealing with does not support booting from the USB stick. ... I should say that this is a purely theoretical experiment; I know there are many other ways I could install Fedora-12. But I installed F-12 on several other machines using the USB stick, and it would be useful to know if I could actually update all machines in this way. I wouldn't mind being able to do something similar myself. I have an 8Gb stick with the F12 install iso on it, as a file at the instant, and my dvd writer seems to have turned itself into a write only for dvd's but is still reading cd's ok. However, this asus bios I have not seen a boot from usb option in its boot menu's. Any ideas as to how to proceed? On all my machines that are capable of booting from a USB memory stick the stick shows up as another hard disk. With a bootable stick inserted, reboot and enter the BIOS. Look for hard drive boot priority, or something like that. You may see the memory stick listed, but (stupidly) it's usually the last item listed. If you move it up to first position and save, it'll boot from it. Sadly, after you remove it and reinsert it, the BIOS will usually revert to using it last. (What goes thru the minds of BIOS coders?) If the BIOS fails to list the memory stick as a hard drive, you're out of luck, I'm afraid. Here, for the record, are my notes on how to create a bootable memory stick that's equivalent to the installation DVD. It's a bit more intricate than you've described. *** Update for F12 - 11/20/09 *** It's much easier to install Fedora from a bootable USB memory stick that contains the DVD iso image than burning an actual DVD disk. Previously, I was able to squeeze both the i386 and x86_64 iso images onto a single 8 GB stick, but it required editing the images to delete irrelevant foreign language components. With F12 I gave up and put each system on a separate USB stick. Here's what I did: 1) Download both images: i386: -rw-r--r-- 1 dad dad 1511 Nov 12 01:23 Fedora-12-i386-CHECKSUM -rw-r--r-- 1 dad dad 3204427776 Nov 8 19:02 Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso x86_64: -rw-rw-r-- 1 dad dad 1525 Nov 12 01:24 Fedora-12-x86_64-CHECKSUM -rw-rw-r-- 1 dad dad 3537600512 Nov 8 19:11 Fedora-12-x86_64-DVD.iso and run sha256sum on each to verify they're correct. 2) Insert a USB stick to hold the 386 image and note the device name assigned, eg, /dev/sdb. Usefdisk /dev/sdb to create a single partition, /dev/sdb1, of type Linux, and set it bootable. 3) Make an ext2 filesystem on /dev/sdb1. To maximize the available space, eliminate items that are customarily included in a filesystem: do NOT use -j to create a journal file set the number of inodes to only 100 set the reserved block percentage to 0 mkfs.ext2 -N 100 -m 0 /dev/sdb1 4) Install a bootable mini-Linux by running livecd-iso-to-disk livecd-iso-to-disk --reset-mbr --noverify Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso /dev/sdb1 5) Copy the install.img file and the big iso file Create mount points for the iso and the USB partition. mkdir /mnt/iso mkdir /mnt/usb mount -o loop Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso/mnt/iso mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb mkdir /mnt/usb/images cp /mnt/iso/images/install.img /mnt/usb/images/ cp Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso /mnt/usb/ umount /mnt/usb /mnt/iso and remove the USB stick. Repeat for the x86_64 version. -- David A. De GraafDATIX, Inc.Hendersonville, NC d...@datix.us www.datix.us -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB stick
On Thursday 10 December 2009, David A. De Graaf wrote: On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 01:30:04PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] If the BIOS fails to list the memory stick as a hard drive, you're out of luck, I'm afraid. If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all... Here, for the record, are my notes on how to create a bootable memory stick that's equivalent to the installation DVD. It's a bit more intricate than you've described. *** Update for F12 - 11/20/09 *** It's much easier to install Fedora from a bootable USB memory stick that contains the DVD iso image than burning an actual DVD disk. Previously, I was able to squeeze both the i386 and x86_64 iso images onto a single 8 GB stick, but it required editing the images to delete irrelevant foreign language components. With F12 I gave up and put each system on a separate USB stick. Here's what I did: 1) Download both images: i386: -rw-r--r-- 1 dad dad 1511 Nov 12 01:23 Fedora-12-i386-CHECKSUM -rw-r--r-- 1 dad dad 3204427776 Nov 8 19:02 Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso x86_64: -rw-rw-r-- 1 dad dad 1525 Nov 12 01:24 Fedora-12-x86_64-CHECKSUM -rw-rw-r-- 1 dad dad 3537600512 Nov 8 19:11 Fedora-12-x86_64-DVD.iso and run sha256sum on each to verify they're correct. 2) Insert a USB stick to hold the 386 image and note the device name assigned, eg, /dev/sdb. Usefdisk /dev/sdb to create a single partition, /dev/sdb1, of type Linux, and set it bootable. 3) Make an ext2 filesystem on /dev/sdb1. To maximize the available space, eliminate items that are customarily included in a filesystem: do NOT use -j to create a journal file set the number of inodes to only 100 set the reserved block percentage to 0 mkfs.ext2 -N 100 -m 0 /dev/sdb1 4) Install a bootable mini-Linux by running livecd-iso-to-disk livecd-iso-to-disk --reset-mbr --noverify Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso /dev/sdb1 5) Copy the install.img file and the big iso file Create mount points for the iso and the USB partition. mkdir /mnt/iso mkdir /mnt/usb mount -o loop Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso/mnt/iso mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb mkdir /mnt/usb/images cp /mnt/iso/images/install.img /mnt/usb/images/ cp Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso /mnt/usb/ umount /mnt/usb /mnt/iso and remove the USB stick. Repeat for the x86_64 version. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Math is like love -- a simple idea but it can get complicated. -- R. Drabek -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB
Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 21:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: What is the rational for demanding that /root be a directory on /, and not a separate partition? See at: http://gene.homelinux.net:85/gene/pix/root-not-allowed.jpg I would presume that with runlevel 1 (single user mode), that it would be a problem to run as root and root's home directory is not available. Why would it be missing? The /root mount point would be there, the home directory would just be empty, and that's not an issue. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net writes: What is the rational for demanding that /root be a directory on /, and not a separate partition? See at: root's home dir has traditionally been / just to ensure that it is alway present and an emergency login is likely to suceed without error. Putting it in the rootfs instead of, say a /home partition, is just more of the same hedging. Root's home directory is /root for years. I'm too lazy to dig out my remaining V7 system, but I don't think it used / either, I just can't remember, I was doing MULTICS and VMS mostly until SysIII days. Sure, you might be able to get away with putting root on the non-root partition when things are working well, but I suspect you'll be cursing yourself the first time the system coughs up a hairball and can't mount ~root/ and asks you to perform brain surgery on the filesystem. (I do have a few aliases for root that makes life nicer and the anacondia install logs are nice to look at also if one needs to mkfs a trashed fs with the same format flags and repopulate from the last backup. If you keep anything vital to system operation in root's home directory you are in a small minority. The filesystem information is in /etc/fstab, if that's gone you're in a rescue disk boot anyway. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 14:08 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 21:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: What is the rational for demanding that /root be a directory on /, and not a separate partition? See at: http://gene.homelinux.net:85/gene/pix/root-not-allowed.jpg I would presume that with runlevel 1 (single user mode), that it would be a problem to run as root and root's home directory is not available. Why would it be missing? The /root mount point would be there, the home directory would just be empty, and that's not an issue. good point I think that actually provides more of the actual reason why anaconda doesn't permit a /root mounted partition though because it would toss the logs into /root and the mount would hide the logs (but of course anaconda could probably move the files to the mounted partition but that would require more coding. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB
Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com writes: If you keep anything vital to system operation in root's home directory you are in a small minority. The filesystem information is in /etc/fstab, if that's gone you're in a rescue disk boot anyway. Depending on what login in the then current instantiation does, it may or may not even let you log in if home doesn't exist. If $PATH takes you to a directory that can't be read because of a failed disk it could hang you forever (think $HOME/bin). There may not be anything important in root's home, but the existence of it itself could be important. The stuff I keep in /root that would be nice to have access to is notes mostly and aliases that my fingers expect to have available (like ll etc). There are also key remappings to put the keys back to something resembling a vt100. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht If the airwaves belong to the public why does the public only get 3 non-overlapping WIFI channels? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB
Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net writes: What is the rational for demanding that /root be a directory on /, and not a separate partition? See at: root's home dir has traditionally been / just to ensure that it is alway present and an emergency login is likely to suceed without error. Putting it in the rootfs instead of, say a /home partition, is just more of the same hedging. Sure, you might be able to get away with putting root on the non-root partition when things are working well, but I suspect you'll be cursing yourself the first time the system coughs up a hairball and can't mount ~root/ and asks you to perform brain surgery on the filesystem. (I do have a few aliases for root that makes life nicer and the anacondia install logs are nice to look at also if one needs to mkfs a trashed fs with the same format flags and repopulate from the last backup. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht If the airwaves belong to the public why does the public only get 3 non-overlapping WIFI channels? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB
R. G. Newbury wrote: I've been trying to install Fedora-12 from a memory stick to which I have transferred the KDE Live CD using livecd-iso-to-disk . If you have a reasonably recent ASUS mb with an AMi BIOS, setting it to boot from USB is rather obscure. You need to plug in the USB stick and reboot. The USB device will then show up in the list of hard drives under Boot Order (going from memory there, but its on the Boot tab, and the second or third entry, iirc). Move the USB HDD entry to the top of the list, then save and reboot. Thanks for the suggestion, but it seems my machine is too ancient - about 10 years old, I think. It has an Asus P2B-LS motherboard, with Award BIOS. I have been unable to find anything in the BIOS to allow booting from the USB memory stick. I tried booting again from the KDE Live CD vmlinuz0 and initrd0.img copied to the hard disk, with the USB partition given as root in the kernel line. As far as I can see, the machine does boot from the USB stick, but the boot fails, saying that the check of boot1, which is actually my Fedora-11 /boot partition, has failed. I've run fsck.ext3 -f on this partition (after unmounting it), and it seems perfectly OK. It seems to me that something odd happens in this scenario. I don't see why it tries to check this partition anyway - as far as I can see, it should only be looking at the USB stick, so where does it get a list of partitions to check? It seems in fact to be reading the Fedora-11 /etc/fstab , but I don't see why. I tried going into the interactive boot, but this failed (pressing I had no effect), and in any case I would not have known what to do. Is there a kernel command to omit fsck checks? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Installing Fedora-12 from USB stick
I've been trying to install Fedora-12 from a memory stick to which I have transferred the KDE Live CD using livecd-iso-to-disk . The problem is that the ancient machine I am dealing with does not support booting from the USB stick. So following advice here, I transferred vmlinuz0 and initrd0.img from the stick to the hard disk, and added a stanza to grub to boot from this: --- title Upgrade to Fedora-12 root (hd0,1) kernel /syslinux/vmlinuz0 root=/dev/sdc2 initrd /syslinux/initrd0.img --- Here /dev/sdc2 is the relevant partition on the memory stick. This works up to a point; but it fails (after entering the interactive stage) when trying to check the partitions, presumably with fsck . In particular the check on the boot partition is said to fail, even though it boots perfectly well with this partition under F-11. I don't understand where it gets a list of partitions to check - it seems to be using /etc/fstab from the Fedora-11 system, which seems illogical to me. In any case, my query is: Is there any way of adding something to the grub kernel line to stop partition checking? Or is there some other trick I could apply? I should say that this is a purely theoretical experiment; I know there are many other ways I could install Fedora-12. But I installed F-12 on several other machines using the USB stick, and it would be useful to know if I could actually update all machines in this way. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB stick
On Monday 07 December 2009, Timothy Murphy wrote: I've been trying to install Fedora-12 from a memory stick to which I have transferred the KDE Live CD using livecd-iso-to-disk . The problem is that the ancient machine I am dealing with does not support booting from the USB stick. So following advice here, I transferred vmlinuz0 and initrd0.img from the stick to the hard disk, and added a stanza to grub to boot from this: --- title Upgrade to Fedora-12 root (hd0,1) kernel /syslinux/vmlinuz0 root=/dev/sdc2 initrd /syslinux/initrd0.img --- Here /dev/sdc2 is the relevant partition on the memory stick. This works up to a point; but it fails (after entering the interactive stage) when trying to check the partitions, presumably with fsck . In particular the check on the boot partition is said to fail, even though it boots perfectly well with this partition under F-11. I don't understand where it gets a list of partitions to check - it seems to be using /etc/fstab from the Fedora-11 system, which seems illogical to me. In any case, my query is: Is there any way of adding something to the grub kernel line to stop partition checking? Or is there some other trick I could apply? I should say that this is a purely theoretical experiment; I know there are many other ways I could install Fedora-12. But I installed F-12 on several other machines using the USB stick, and it would be useful to know if I could actually update all machines in this way. I wouldn't mind being able to do something similar myself. I have an 8Gb stick with the F12 install iso on it, as a file at the instant, and my dvd writer seems to have turned itself into a write only for dvd's but is still reading cd's ok. However, this asus bios I have not seen a boot from usb option in its boot menu's. Any ideas as to how to proceed? Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Armstrong's Collection Law: If the check is truly in the mail, it is surely made out to someone else. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB
Gene Heskett wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote: I've been trying to install Fedora-12 from a memory stick to which I have transferred the KDE Live CD using livecd-iso-to-disk . snip I wouldn't mind being able to do something similar myself. I have an 8Gb stick with the F12 install iso on it, as a file at the instant, and my dvd writer seems to have turned itself into a write only for dvd's but is still reading cd's ok. However, this asus bios I have not seen a boot from usb option in its boot menu's. Any ideas as to how to proceed? If you have a reasonably recent ASUS mb with an AMi BIOS, setting it to boot from USB is rather obscure. You need to plug in the USB stick and reboot. The USB device will then show up in the list of hard drives under Boot Order (going from memory there, but its on the Boot tab, and the second or third entry, iirc). Move the USB HDD entry to the top of the list, then save and reboot. On boot, ISTR that AMI does like Lenovo does, and you can use F12 to select the boot device. Even so, it will now boot from the USB stick. It's rather weird that the 'boot from USB' option does not exist unless there is a USB stick plugged in but. Geoff -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB
On Monday 07 December 2009, R. G. Newbury wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote: I've been trying to install Fedora-12 from a memory stick to which I have transferred the KDE Live CD using livecd-iso-to-disk . snip I wouldn't mind being able to do something similar myself. I have an 8Gb stick with the F12 install iso on it, as a file at the instant, and my dvd writer seems to have turned itself into a write only for dvd's but is still reading cd's ok. However, this asus bios I have not seen a boot from usb option in its boot menu's. Any ideas as to how to proceed? If you have a reasonably recent ASUS mb with an AMi BIOS, setting it to boot from USB is rather obscure. You need to plug in the USB stick and reboot. The USB device will then show up in the list of hard drives under Boot Order (going from memory there, but its on the Boot tab, and the second or third entry, iirc). Move the USB HDD entry to the top of the list, then save and reboot. On boot, ISTR that AMI does like Lenovo does, and you can use F12 to select the boot device. Even so, it will now boot from the USB stick. It's rather weird that the 'boot from USB' option does not exist unless there is a USB stick plugged in but. Geoff I would have to assume that i order for that to work, I'd need to dd that iso to the stick, as opposed to its status as a common file because there is other stuff on the stick too. Not particularly precious stuff if that is what it would take. I ran to town and got a fresh LiteOn drive ($42 USD) a few hrs back, and have been playing with the early F12 install. But based on one question at a time: What is the rational for demanding that /root be a directory on /, and not a separate partition? See at: http://gene.homelinux.net:85/gene/pix/root-not-allowed.jpg I am ATM, running F10 with /root on its own partition. As is /usr, but the only problem is at shutdown time, it claims /usr is busy and I have to give it 10 or more vulcan nerve pinches before it will finally do a shutdown. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Oskuro Overfiend: many patches on top of 4.0.1 already? Overfiend Oskuro: a few Overfiend only 152 megs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 21:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: What is the rational for demanding that /root be a directory on /, and not a separate partition? See at: http://gene.homelinux.net:85/gene/pix/root-not-allowed.jpg I would presume that with runlevel 1 (single user mode), that it would be a problem to run as root and root's home directory is not available. But I am sure you will feel free to abuse your boxes however you see fit. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB
On Monday 07 December 2009, Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 21:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: What is the rational for demanding that /root be a directory on /, and not a separate partition? See at: http://gene.homelinux.net:85/gene/pix/root-not-allowed.jpg I would presume that with runlevel 1 (single user mode), that it would be a problem to run as root and root's home directory is not available. Are you saying that in runlevel 1, not all partitions in /etc/fstab are mounted? If they are not, why not? Pointers to the docs are fine. But I am sure you will feel free to abuse your boxes however you see fit. Nope, really, I just like continuity. Once I have something fixed, I want it to stay fixed, across upgrades. Craig -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp In Newark the laundromats are open 24 hours a day! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
