Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-28 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 27 November 2008 19:25:56 Linuxguy123 wrote:
 On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 20:42 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
   KDE4.1 rocks, except for a few things.
  
  :-)  Glad you found what works for you.  It's that configurability that
  : keeps
 
  us all with KDE.
 
  Those 'few things' - care to tackle them one at a time?  Let's see if we
  can help you resolve them.

 You are a brave woman...  umm... why don't we leave this for now and
 come back to it when Folder View works and possibly when KDE 4.2 ships ?

?? Folderview has been working for ages.  What's the problem?

 There is one thing... The F10 KDE Live CD has a wireless network manager
 widget in the panel.  Where do I find that for my F10 install ?  If you
 don't know offhand, I'll reboot the F10 KDE Live CD and find out for all
 of us.

If you are using NetworkManager you should have that applet.  However, it is 
problematic for wireless on my netbook - that is to say wireless doesn't work 
:-(

You have to turn the network service off and networkmanager service on to get 
the applet.

Anne


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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-28 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 27 November 2008 19:23:09 Linuxguy123 wrote:
 On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 21:00 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Thursday 27 November 2008 20:50:03 Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
   Em Qui 27 Nov 2008, Anne Wilson escreveu:
On Thursday 27 November 2008 17:56:53 Linuxguy123 wrote:
 So... next question... If I remove the task manager widget from the
 panel, where do apps go when I minimize them ?  Or do I need a
 second panel for that ?
   
That one I can't answer :-)  I'm not brave enough to try it :-)
   
I guess you would be able to put it back, if necessary.  But how
you'd reach your minimized apps I've no idea.
  
   The minimized applications would not be visible, but would be
   accessible using ALT+TAB. You can add a task manager widget to any
   panel you like. Now that auto-hide is back, perhaps you would like to
   create a retractable panel with the task manager widget in it.

 Wow, this is getting deep.  I love the pop up task manager, but ALT-TAB
 key combination is a bit tricky.

  Excellent.   More ways to provide for preferences :-)  Must add this to
  http://userbase.kde.org.

 Anne: how about asking the developers to put the task manager on the
 right click of the desktop area.  That would be super neat and much
 easier to find/remember than ALT-TAB.

You mean on a context menu?  I know some work is being done on context menus, 
but I'd have to read up on what's planned.

 I can't believe I am liking KDE 4.1.3.  Mind you, I am not using Folder
 Views at all.  But that is a topic for another time.

I have two quite small folderviews on my desktop.  They are set to give me 
instant access to my home partition on the server and the data partition.  
Although I could get to them perfectly easily by navigation in dolphine this 
way is much quicker. :-)

Anne


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I don't get Folderview. Was: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-28 Thread Linuxguy123
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 08:14 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
 I have two quite small folderviews on my desktop.  They are set to
 give me 
 instant access to my home partition on the server and the data
 partition.  
 Although I could get to them perfectly easily by navigation in
 dolphine this 
 way is much quicker. :-)
 
 Anne

OK, now you have opened a can of worms... I still don't get Folderview.
Like you just said, why not put a folder icon on the desktop and just
use Dolphin ?   As a matter of fact, that is what I am doing right now.

What does Folder View give us that Dolphin doesn't ?   As a matter of
fact, there are a lot of things that FV doesn't allow that make it
frustrating for me.   Like you can't drag and drop files between two
folderviews, for example.

Like I said in a previous post, FV isn't working on my machine.  Its
freezing it up.  Don't ask me why.   So I am not using any FVs.  And
frankly, I am not missing them. 

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Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Linuxguy123
Is there a way to put an application icon (evolution, konqueror,
dolphin, etc) in the tray (ie the bar at the bottom of the desktop, or
should I say edge) in KDE 4.1.3 ? 

I know about putting application icons on the desktop itself.  I've done
that. 

Aside: is the tray now called a panel ?

Thanks.

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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Jeff Maxwell


On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 08:13 -0500, Linuxguy123 wrote:
 Is there a way to put an application icon (evolution, konqueror,
 dolphin, etc) in the tray (ie the bar at the bottom of the desktop, or
 should I say edge) in KDE 4.1.3 ? 
 
 I know about putting application icons on the desktop itself.  I've done
 that. 
 
 Aside: is the tray now called a panel ?
Yes - what I believe you are referring to is call panel.  Put your
cursor on the panel and right click your mouse.  It should show a pull
down menu with the option to add.  Select add and you will have a host
of possibilities.  

 
 Thanks.
 

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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 27 November 2008 13:13:19 Linuxguy123 wrote:
 Is there a way to put an application icon (evolution, konqueror,
 dolphin, etc) in the tray (ie the bar at the bottom of the desktop, or
 should I say edge) in KDE 4.1.3 ?

 I know about putting application icons on the desktop itself.  I've done
 that.

 Aside: is the tray now called a panel ?

It is indeed.  The easiest way to put an icon into the panel is to locate the 
icon in kickoff (the new-style menu) and right-click it.  You will be offered 
the opportunity to put an icon either on the desktop or the panel (both if you 
want, but only one job at a time :-) )

Anne


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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Dave Feustel
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 08:13:19AM -0500, Linuxguy123 wrote:
 Is there a way to put an application icon (evolution, konqueror,
 dolphin, etc) in the tray (ie the bar at the bottom of the desktop, or
 should I say edge) in KDE 4.1.3 ? 
 
 I know about putting application icons on the desktop itself.  I've done
 that. 

Drag the icon from your desktop to the tray.
 
 Aside: is the tray now called a panel ?
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 16:18 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Thursday 27 November 2008 13:13:19 Linuxguy123 wrote:
  Is there a way to put an application icon (evolution, konqueror,
  dolphin, etc) in the tray (ie the bar at the bottom of the desktop, or
  should I say edge) in KDE 4.1.3 ?
 
  I know about putting application icons on the desktop itself.  I've done
  that.
 
  Aside: is the tray now called a panel ?
 
 It is indeed.  The easiest way to put an icon into the panel is to locate the 
 icon in kickoff (the new-style menu) and right-click it.  You will be offered 
 the opportunity to put an icon either on the desktop or the panel (both if 
 you 
 want, but only one job at a time :-) )


That worked.  It added it to the right hand side of the panel.   Now how
do I move it to the left hand side... one used to be able to right click
and move icons ?

Thanks

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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 11:20 -0500, Dave Feustel wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 08:13:19AM -0500, Linuxguy123 wrote:
  Is there a way to put an application icon (evolution, konqueror,
  dolphin, etc) in the tray (ie the bar at the bottom of the desktop, or
  should I say edge) in KDE 4.1.3 ? 
  
  I know about putting application icons on the desktop itself.  I've done
  that. 
 
 Drag the icon from your desktop to the tray.

That doesn't work.  That used to work in KDE 3.5.

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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 11:18 -0500, Jeff Maxwell wrote:
 
 On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 08:13 -0500, Linuxguy123 wrote:
  Is there a way to put an application icon (evolution, konqueror,
  dolphin, etc) in the tray (ie the bar at the bottom of the desktop, or
  should I say edge) in KDE 4.1.3 ? 
  
  I know about putting application icons on the desktop itself.  I've done
  that. 
  
  Aside: is the tray now called a panel ?
 Yes - what I believe you are referring to is call panel.  Put your
 cursor on the panel and right click your mouse.  It should show a pull
 down menu with the option to add.  Select add and you will have a host
 of possibilities.  

That does not work.  I don't see any way to add an application to the
panel with this method. 


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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 09:32 -0500, Linuxguy123 wrote:
 On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 11:18 -0500, Jeff Maxwell wrote:
  
  On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 08:13 -0500, Linuxguy123 wrote:
   Is there a way to put an application icon (evolution, konqueror,
   dolphin, etc) in the tray (ie the bar at the bottom of the desktop, or
   should I say edge) in KDE 4.1.3 ? 
   
   I know about putting application icons on the desktop itself.  I've done
   that. 
   
   Aside: is the tray now called a panel ?
  Yes - what I believe you are referring to is call panel.  Put your
  cursor on the panel and right click your mouse.  It should show a pull
  down menu with the option to add.  Select add and you will have a host
  of possibilities.  
 
 That does not work.  I don't see any way to add an application to the
 panel with this method. 

Look for the app under the inital menu (bottom left corner). Right-click
and select Add to Panel.

poc

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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 27 November 2008 14:31:54 Linuxguy123 wrote:
 On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 16:18 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Thursday 27 November 2008 13:13:19 Linuxguy123 wrote:
   Is there a way to put an application icon (evolution, konqueror,
   dolphin, etc) in the tray (ie the bar at the bottom of the desktop,
   or should I say edge) in KDE 4.1.3 ?
  
   I know about putting application icons on the desktop itself.  I've
   done that.
  
   Aside: is the tray now called a panel ?
 
  It is indeed.  The easiest way to put an icon into the panel is to locate
  the icon in kickoff (the new-style menu) and right-click it.  You will be
  offered the opportunity to put an icon either on the desktop or the panel
  (both if you want, but only one job at a time :-) )

 That worked.  It added it to the right hand side of the panel.   Now how
 do I move it to the left hand side... one used to be able to right click
 and move icons ?

On the extreme right of the panel there is a cashew (slightly hidden in a 
bubble on some distros).  Click on that and the panel configuration extra 
panel comes up.  Hover your mouse over the icon you want to move and a diamond 
composed of arrows appears.  Use that to pull the icon to where you want it.  
Then close the config panel by hitting the red X.

Anne


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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 18:54 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Thursday 27 November 2008 14:31:54 Linuxguy123 wrote:
  On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 16:18 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
   On Thursday 27 November 2008 13:13:19 Linuxguy123 wrote:
Is there a way to put an application icon (evolution, konqueror,
dolphin, etc) in the tray (ie the bar at the bottom of the desktop,
or should I say edge) in KDE 4.1.3 ?
   
I know about putting application icons on the desktop itself.  I've
done that.
   
Aside: is the tray now called a panel ?
  
   It is indeed.  The easiest way to put an icon into the panel is to locate
   the icon in kickoff (the new-style menu) and right-click it.  You will be
   offered the opportunity to put an icon either on the desktop or the panel
   (both if you want, but only one job at a time :-) )
 
  That worked.  It added it to the right hand side of the panel.   Now how
  do I move it to the left hand side... one used to be able to right click
  and move icons ?
 
 On the extreme right of the panel there is a cashew (slightly hidden in a 
 bubble on some distros).  Click on that and the panel configuration extra 
 panel comes up.  Hover your mouse over the icon you want to move and a 
 diamond 
 composed of arrows appears.  Use that to pull the icon to where you want it.  
 Then close the config panel by hitting the red X.

Give this woman a cigar.   It works, excellently.   Thanks for taking
the time to explain that.

Next question... I have been watching some KDE youtube videos and I see
that someone people have their application icons show up in the middle
of the panel ala the Mac OS.   How does one do that ?

BTW: KDE 4.1.3 is visually awesome.  By that I mean it looks very nice.
So much better than KDE 3.5.

Thanks



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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 27 November 2008 17:15:14 Linuxguy123 wrote:
 On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 18:54 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Thursday 27 November 2008 14:31:54 Linuxguy123 wrote:
   On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 16:18 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 27 November 2008 13:13:19 Linuxguy123 wrote:
 Is there a way to put an application icon (evolution, konqueror,
 dolphin, etc) in the tray (ie the bar at the bottom of the
 desktop, or should I say edge) in KDE 4.1.3 ?

 I know about putting application icons on the desktop itself.  I've
 done that.

 Aside: is the tray now called a panel ?
   
It is indeed.  The easiest way to put an icon into the panel is to
locate the icon in kickoff (the new-style menu) and right-click it. 
You will be offered the opportunity to put an icon either on the
desktop or the panel (both if you want, but only one job at a time
:-) )
  
   That worked.  It added it to the right hand side of the panel.   Now
   how do I move it to the left hand side... one used to be able to right
   click and move icons ?
 
  On the extreme right of the panel there is a cashew (slightly hidden in a
  bubble on some distros).  Click on that and the panel configuration extra
  panel comes up.  Hover your mouse over the icon you want to move and a
  diamond composed of arrows appears.  Use that to pull the icon to where
  you want it. Then close the config panel by hitting the red X.

 Give this woman a cigar.   It works, excellently.   Thanks for taking
 the time to explain that.

 Next question... I have been watching some KDE youtube videos and I see
 that someone people have their application icons show up in the middle
 of the panel ala the Mac OS.   How does one do that ?

That would be by using the Center icon on that second, config, panel that you 
saw. Remember the ones that looked like a word processor set?

 BTW: KDE 4.1.3 is visually awesome.  By that I mean it looks very nice.
 So much better than KDE 3.5.

There are a lot of real goodies in KDE 4.1, but they aren't always obvious at 
first.  It's a bit like when you first started in linux and you saw someone 
mention something that you just have to try :-)  I'm happy to help in any way 
I can, but also you should bookmark http://userbase.kde.org.  There are lots 
of helpful links there, particularly about plasma, which is the thing most 
people find hard to digest :-)  The Glossary has links to youtube videos, too, 
that help with new things.

Anne



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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 19:26 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
 
  Give this woman a cigar.   It works, excellently.   Thanks for taking
  the time to explain that.
 
  Next question... I have been watching some KDE youtube videos and I see
  that someone people have their application icons show up in the middle
  of the panel ala the Mac OS.   How does one do that ?
 
 That would be by using the Center icon on that second, config, panel that you 
 saw. Remember the ones that looked like a word processor set?

I saw the Center item in that menu and in fact, I tried it, but it
didn't do anything... at first glance.  I found the slider and adjusted
it and now I have a centered panel.

So... next question... If I remove the task manager widget from the
panel, where do apps go when I minimize them ?  Or do I need a second
panel for that ?

  BTW: KDE 4.1.3 is visually awesome.  By that I mean it looks very nice.
  So much better than KDE 3.5.
 
 There are a lot of real goodies in KDE 4.1, but they aren't always obvious at 
 first. 

I'm finding that out !

  It's a bit like when you first started in linux and you saw someone 
 mention something that you just have to try :-)  I'm happy to help in any way 
 I can, but also you should bookmark http://userbase.kde.org.  There are lots 
 of helpful links there, particularly about plasma, which is the thing most 
 people find hard to digest :-)  The Glossary has links to youtube videos, 
 too, 
 that help with new things.

I'll check it out right now.

Thanks for all your help, Anne.  Your contributions to Linux are
incredible and greatly appreciated.  Keep up the good work. 

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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 12:57 -0500, Linuxguy123 wrote:

 So... next question... If I remove the task manager widget from the
 panel, where do apps go when I minimize them ?  Or do I need a second
 panel for that ?

I just answered my own question by installing a second panel at the top
of my screen and added only a Task Manager widget to it.  I love having
it up there.

KDE4.1 rocks, except for a few things.  


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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 27 November 2008 17:56:53 Linuxguy123 wrote:
 So... next question... If I remove the task manager widget from the
 panel, where do apps go when I minimize them ?  Or do I need a second
 panel for that ?

That one I can't answer :-)  I'm not brave enough to try it :-)

I guess you would be able to put it back, if necessary.  But how you'd reach 
your minimized apps I've no idea.

Anne


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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 27 November 2008 18:01:23 Linuxguy123 wrote:
 On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 12:57 -0500, Linuxguy123 wrote:
  So... next question... If I remove the task manager widget from the
  panel, where do apps go when I minimize them ?  Or do I need a second
  panel for that ?

 I just answered my own question by installing a second panel at the top
 of my screen and added only a Task Manager widget to it.  I love having
 it up there.

 KDE4.1 rocks, except for a few things.

:-)  Glad you found what works for you.  It's that configurability that keeps 
us all with KDE.

Those 'few things' - care to tackle them one at a time?  Let's see if we can 
help you resolve them.

Anne


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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Marcelo Magno T. Sales
Em Qui 27 Nov 2008, Anne Wilson escreveu:
 On Thursday 27 November 2008 17:56:53 Linuxguy123 wrote:
  So... next question... If I remove the task manager widget from the
  panel, where do apps go when I minimize them ?  Or do I need a
  second panel for that ?

 That one I can't answer :-)  I'm not brave enough to try it :-)

 I guess you would be able to put it back, if necessary.  But how
 you'd reach your minimized apps I've no idea.

The minimized applications would not be visible, but would be accessible 
using ALT+TAB. You can add a task manager widget to any panel you like. 
Now that auto-hide is back, perhaps you would like to create a 
retractable panel with the task manager widget in it.

[]'s
Marcelo

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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 27 November 2008 20:50:03 Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
 Em Qui 27 Nov 2008, Anne Wilson escreveu:
  On Thursday 27 November 2008 17:56:53 Linuxguy123 wrote:
   So... next question... If I remove the task manager widget from the
   panel, where do apps go when I minimize them ?  Or do I need a
   second panel for that ?
 
  That one I can't answer :-)  I'm not brave enough to try it :-)
 
  I guess you would be able to put it back, if necessary.  But how
  you'd reach your minimized apps I've no idea.

 The minimized applications would not be visible, but would be accessible
 using ALT+TAB. You can add a task manager widget to any panel you like.
 Now that auto-hide is back, perhaps you would like to create a
 retractable panel with the task manager widget in it.

Excellent.   More ways to provide for preferences :-)  Must add this to 
http://userbase.kde.org.

Anne


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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 21:00 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Thursday 27 November 2008 20:50:03 Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
  Em Qui 27 Nov 2008, Anne Wilson escreveu:
   On Thursday 27 November 2008 17:56:53 Linuxguy123 wrote:
So... next question... If I remove the task manager widget from the
panel, where do apps go when I minimize them ?  Or do I need a
second panel for that ?
  
   That one I can't answer :-)  I'm not brave enough to try it :-)
  
   I guess you would be able to put it back, if necessary.  But how
   you'd reach your minimized apps I've no idea.
 
  The minimized applications would not be visible, but would be accessible
  using ALT+TAB. You can add a task manager widget to any panel you like.
  Now that auto-hide is back, perhaps you would like to create a
  retractable panel with the task manager widget in it.

Wow, this is getting deep.  I love the pop up task manager, but ALT-TAB
key combination is a bit tricky.

 Excellent.   More ways to provide for preferences :-)  Must add this to 
 http://userbase.kde.org.
 
Anne: how about asking the developers to put the task manager on the
right click of the desktop area.  That would be super neat and much
easier to find/remember than ALT-TAB.

I can't believe I am liking KDE 4.1.3.  Mind you, I am not using Folder
Views at all.  But that is a topic for another time.  

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Re: Is there a way to put an application icon in the tray ?

2008-11-27 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 20:42 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
 
  KDE4.1 rocks, except for a few things.
 
 :-)  Glad you found what works for you.  It's that configurability that keeps 
 us all with KDE.
 
 Those 'few things' - care to tackle them one at a time?  Let's see if we can 
 help you resolve them.

You are a brave woman...  umm... why don't we leave this for now and
come back to it when Folder View works and possibly when KDE 4.2 ships ?

There is one thing... The F10 KDE Live CD has a wireless network manager
widget in the panel.  Where do I find that for my F10 install ?  If you
don't know offhand, I'll reboot the F10 KDE Live CD and find out for all
of us.

Thanks

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