Re: Kaffeine codecs
Oh, and I DO use PackageKit, NetworkManager (and have Intel wireless on my laptop), and PulseAudio, etc... Also, I DO use SELinux in enforcing mode, and have done so since about Fedora 8, without any problems (a fantastic help, in that regard, is to enable the setroubleshoot daemon, as it tells you how to restore contexts for problem files). A good way to start is to grab the Fedora-KDE-Live CD and install it, then enable Livna-development and do the package updates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
Alex Makhlin wrote: > Beta version. How is it working for you? Many bugs or not so? > I started using it when it was alpha and was so satisfied that I installed it on both my desk- and laptop computers. I continued to do all of the livna-development and rawhide updates daily and then beta was released and the system automatically became the beta through the updates. It is still working great, although, with the recent X Server upgrades, since about 1 week, I can no longer use compositing, as it is unstable with my Intel graphics on both computers. Other than that, it is excellent. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
On Wed October 8 2008 05:36:35 Alex Makhlin wrote: > dexter wrote: > > On Wed October 8 2008 04:55:08 Alex Makhlin wrote: > >> Where are you getting Fedora 10 or 11?? > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease > > > > ...dex > > Beta version. How is it working for you? Many bugs or not so? Don't ask, ... But if you insist :-) Your best bet is to grab a livecd of your chosen desktop environment and try it, my experience/hardware will be mostly different from yours ie I don't use PackageKit, NetworkManagerKit, PulseaudioKit or Selinux and this box is from 2001. So yeah I'm mostly bug free if that means anyfink. ...dex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
dexter wrote: On Wed October 8 2008 04:55:08 Alex Makhlin wrote: Where are you getting Fedora 10 or 11?? http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease ...dex Beta version. How is it working for you? Many bugs or not so? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
On Wed October 8 2008 04:55:08 Alex Makhlin wrote: > > > > Where are you getting Fedora 10 or 11?? http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease ...dex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
kwhiskerz wrote: =?UTF-8?Q?Joonas_Saraj=C3=A4rvi?= wrote: I'd recommend against bypassing package management. And also against installation of binary-only codecs (Isn't the tarball essentially the infamous w32codes package?). Especially when there is very little content that can't be decoded just with the open source decoders from livna.org. Interesting. I seem to recall having tried that and NOT being able to access some multimedia file, but I can no longer say for certain. I will try in Fedora 11, I guess, as I already have my setup for Fedora 10. It would be better if you were right, of course, as it is one less hassle to deal with. Even if the codecs are not required for xine, as a xine nonfree package is supplied by livna, what about mplayer? These codecs are actually intended for mplayer and there is no livna mplayer nonfree package that I ever recall having seen. So, why are these codecs infamous? I have been using them for years and have had very few multimedia complaints, compared to all of the laments I have read accompanying every new release of Fedora and the alleged lack of multimedia support. Where are you getting Fedora 10 or 11?? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
=?UTF-8?Q?Joonas_Saraj=C3=A4rvi?= wrote: (a whole bunch of stuff) You've got me curious. Maybe I'll just remove those codecs to a backup for a while and see if the livna nonfree package is able to do everything in both xine and mplayer/ffmpeg, etc. It would be a whole lot simpler. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
2008/10/7 kwhiskerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > =?UTF-8?Q?Joonas_Saraj=C3=A4rvi?= wrote: > >> I'd recommend against bypassing package management. And also against >> installation of binary-only codecs (Isn't the tarball essentially the >> infamous w32codes package?). Especially when there is very little >> content that can't be decoded just with the open source decoders from >> livna.org. >> > Interesting. I seem to recall having tried that and NOT being able to access > some multimedia file, but I can no longer say for certain. I will try in > Fedora 11, I guess, as I already have my setup for Fedora 10. It would be > better if you were right, of course, as it is one less hassle to deal with. I remember when I first starter using GNU/Linux in about 2004, that it wasn't that simple to play WMV files, for example. Most of the other video formats worked fine, though. The solution was to find and install the w32codecs package for Debian, which wasn't included in any official repositories. This worked, but I didn't think it was good as a long term solution. At some point I found out that most video files, including Wmv, could easily be played even without the w32codecs package. I think there may still be some formats that aren't supported by open source decoders, but at least for me they have been very rare. > Even if the codecs are not required for xine, as a xine nonfree package is > supplied by livna, what about mplayer? These codecs are actually intended for > mplayer and there is no livna mplayer nonfree package that I ever recall > having seen. Mplayer itself is not included at all in Fedora, so it probably just doesn't have any -nonfree suffix in the livna package name. I haven't done any hacks, just installed it, and for what I can tell by quick testing, it seems very able to play most of the video formats. > So, why are these codecs infamous? I have been using them for years and have > had very few multimedia complaints, compared to all of the laments I have > read accompanying every new release of Fedora and the alleged lack of > multimedia support. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK W32codecs are: - Binary-only - Non-redistributable (would otherwise be available in some easier-to-find repositories) - CPU architecture dependent - Proprietary I much prefer using free software that I can easily install from a well-known package repository. But well, I don't really know if w32codecs still offer something the easier solutions don't. I just know that I haven't needed any decoders besides those in Livna, for years. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
=?UTF-8?Q?Joonas_Saraj=C3=A4rvi?= wrote: > I'd recommend against bypassing package management. And also against > installation of binary-only codecs (Isn't the tarball essentially the > infamous w32codes package?). Especially when there is very little > content that can't be decoded just with the open source decoders from > livna.org. > Interesting. I seem to recall having tried that and NOT being able to access some multimedia file, but I can no longer say for certain. I will try in Fedora 11, I guess, as I already have my setup for Fedora 10. It would be better if you were right, of course, as it is one less hassle to deal with. Even if the codecs are not required for xine, as a xine nonfree package is supplied by livna, what about mplayer? These codecs are actually intended for mplayer and there is no livna mplayer nonfree package that I ever recall having seen. So, why are these codecs infamous? I have been using them for years and have had very few multimedia complaints, compared to all of the laments I have read accompanying every new release of Fedora and the alleged lack of multimedia support. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
2008/10/7 kwhiskerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So, then you need the codecs. Go to www.mplayerhq.hu and grab the essential > codecs tarball. Unpack it, as root, in /usr/lib/codecs. There is some > indication that you will require xine-lib-devel for xine to be able to make > use of these mplayer codecs (this might be available from fedora, otherwise > livna). I'd recommend against bypassing package management. And also against installation of binary-only codecs (Isn't the tarball essentially the infamous w32codes package?). Especially when there is very little content that can't be decoded just with the open source decoders from livna.org. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
Rex Dieter wrote: > This shouldn't be necessary. Are you sure? > I don't know, Rex. I was heeding the warning. I never thought to try without making the link. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
kwhiskerz wrote: > Kaffeine is a front-end to xine. The mplayer plugins are located in > /usr/lib/codecs and xine understands this. Although kaffeine should > recognize this, it doesn't, hence it is necessary to ln -s /usr/lib/codecs > /usr/lib/win32. This shouldn't be necessary. Are you sure? (Yes, I know kaffeine may still give a warning about it, but the guts are really handled by xine-lib, and it should support /usr/lib/codecs out of the box). -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
Kaffeine is a front-end to xine. The mplayer plugins are located in /usr/lib/codecs and xine understands this. Although kaffeine should recognize this, it doesn't, hence it is necessary to ln -s /usr/lib/codecs /usr/lib/win32. So, then you need the codecs. Go to www.mplayerhq.hu and grab the essential codecs tarball. Unpack it, as root, in /usr/lib/codecs. There is some indication that you will require xine-lib-devel for xine to be able to make use of these mplayer codecs (this might be available from fedora, otherwise livna). If kaffeine doesn't forget that the codecs weren't there the first time around, make it forget and have the startup wizard rerun by deleting /home/you/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/wizard_stamp* and restart the program. There is also a package, xine-lib-extras-nonfree from livna, that you should install. This appears to permit playback of anything I have ever encountered. With this set-up, I have not needed real player or helios player, for example. While you're at livna, grab libdvdcss so that you can play DVDs in kaffeine, too. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Kaffeine codecs
I am having trouble listening to streaming internet radio using Kaffeine. Does anyone know where I can find the proper codecs (if not all of them) and how to install them? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
