Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
Richard Shaw wrote: I've been having some quirky issues lately and decided to take a look at the SMART data for the disk. There seems to be a large count of errors in some of the categories. you did not mention make and model, so i can not offer a link. i will suggest that you log site that makes drive and look for a diagnostic floppy file or cd iso and run on drive. if you have not already, do a full backup and start running incremental backups. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
On Friday 30 January 2009, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net writes: On Wednesday 28 January 2009, Richard Shaw wrote: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 955 It has to be about out of spare sectors, I haven't ever seen one that high. This is your wake up call I believe. Crap, a count of non-zero should be his wakeup call. All my disks that have grown bad spots soon died. Google noticed the same thing in their disk study. Hey, I was trying to be nice. I'd copy the data on to a new disk, zero out the old disk and give it to someone you don't like very much. ;-) Nah, just bin it, its toast. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.full-steam.org/ (ipv6-only) You may need to config 6to4 to see the above pages. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Netscape is not a newsreader, and probably never shall be. -- Tom Christiansen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net wrote: On Friday 30 January 2009, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net writes: On Wednesday 28 January 2009, Richard Shaw wrote: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 955 It has to be about out of spare sectors, I haven't ever seen one that high. This is your wake up call I believe. Crap, a count of non-zero should be his wakeup call. All my disks that have grown bad spots soon died. Google noticed the same thing in their disk study. Hey, I was trying to be nice. I'd copy the data on to a new disk, zero out the old disk and give it to someone you don't like very much. ;-) Nah, just bin it, its toast. Well it's a Seagate and is under warranty. I went ahead and paid the $20 for the Advanced Replacement so I can get the replacement before sending them the bad one. I downloaded both their bootable ISO and the linux version of seatools. Interestingly the short test showed the drive is good but the long test found an error. Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
Richard Shaw wrote: Well it's a Seagate and is under warranty. I went ahead and paid the $20 for the Advanced Replacement so I can get the replacement before sending them the bad one. I downloaded both their bootable ISO and the linux version of seatools. Interestingly the short test showed the drive is good but the long test found an error. Richard Richard, My second opinion is that your drive isn't failing. Before you send it back to Seagate, please take the time to read the following posts from Bryn Reeves: * Understanding S.M.A.R.T. test results https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-January/msg03397.html * Interpreting raw and normalized S.M.A.R.T. values https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-January/msg03405.html S.M.A.R.T. test results are a little confusing and often lead people to believe that a drive is failing even though it's perfectly fine. Your test result was good, because none of your drive's pre-fail attributes were below the threshold value. It's likely that if you ran Seagate's diagnostic tests on the drive they wouldn't find any problems. If there are any non-destructive tests, try running them before you go through the hassle of replacing the drive. Regards, Matthew Roth InterMedia Marketing Solutions Software Engineer and Systems Developer -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
Matthew J. Roth wrote: * Understanding S.M.A.R.T. test results https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-January/msg03397.html * Interpreting raw and normalized S.M.A.R.T. values https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-January/msg03405.html what would your opinion be as to why those 2 post failed getting to me via 'fedora-list@redhat.com'? -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Matthew J. Roth mr...@imminc.com wrote: Richard Shaw wrote: Well it's a Seagate and is under warranty. I went ahead and paid the $20 for the Advanced Replacement so I can get the replacement before sending them the bad one. I downloaded both their bootable ISO and the linux version of seatools. Interestingly the short test showed the drive is good but the long test found an error. Richard Richard, My second opinion is that your drive isn't failing. Before you send it back to Seagate, please take the time to read the following posts from Bryn Reeves: * Understanding S.M.A.R.T. test results https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-January/msg03397.html * Interpreting raw and normalized S.M.A.R.T. values https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-January/msg03405.html S.M.A.R.T. test results are a little confusing and often lead people to believe that a drive is failing even though it's perfectly fine. Your test result was good, because none of your drive's pre-fail attributes were below the threshold value. It's likely that if you ran Seagate's diagnostic tests on the drive they wouldn't find any problems. If there are any non-destructive tests, try running them before you go through the hassle of replacing the drive. The failure I got was from the unix/linux SeaTools st utility and I've had a file I tried to copy off the drive through scp/nfs/samba and all fail at about the 65% mark so I'm pretty certain the disk is bad. Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
g wrote: what would your opinion be as to why those 2 post failed getting to me via 'fedora-list@redhat.com'? please disregard. isp's mail guard thought it might be spam, along with 14 other emails. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net writes: On Friday 30 January 2009, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net writes: On Wednesday 28 January 2009, Richard Shaw wrote: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 955 It has to be about out of spare sectors, I haven't ever seen one that high. This is your wake up call I believe. Crap, a count of non-zero should be his wakeup call. All my disks that have grown bad spots soon died. Google noticed the same thing in their disk study. Hey, I was trying to be nice. Oops. I wasn't meaning for it to sound emphatic. Apologies. It was meant to sound like oh crap my disk is failing. It was meant as a sympathetic statement. Sorry again. I just realized when you posted that it could be read two ways. -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.full-steam.org/ (ipv6-only) You may need to config 6to4 to see the above pages. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 28 January 2009, Richard Shaw wrote: I've been having some quirky issues lately and decided to take a look at the SMART data for the disk. There seems to be a large count of errors in some of the categories. === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 087 086 006Pre-fail Always - 13453278 Maybe. 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003 095 094 000Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 45 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 955 It has to be about out of spare sectors, I haven't ever seen one that high. This is your wake up call I believe. That's a good result, not bad; those number count downwards.. that's why the threshold is lower than the current or worst value. See the manual page for smartctl for more information on interpreting the output of the tool: Each Attribute also has a Threshold value (whose range is 0 to 255) which is printed under the heading THRESH. If the Nor- malized value is less than or equal to the Threshold value, then the Attribute is said to have failed. If the Attribute is a pre-failure Attribute, then disk failure is imminent. Regards, Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bryn M. Reeves b...@redhat.com wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 28 January 2009, Richard Shaw wrote: I've been having some quirky issues lately and decided to take a look at the SMART data for the disk. There seems to be a large count of errors in some of the categories. === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 087 086 006Pre-fail Always - 13453278 Maybe. 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003 095 094 000Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 45 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 955 It has to be about out of spare sectors, I haven't ever seen one that high. This is your wake up call I believe. That's a good result, not bad; those number count downwards.. that's why the threshold is lower than the current or worst value. See the manual page for smartctl for more information on interpreting the output of the tool: Each Attribute also has a Threshold value (whose range is 0 to 255) which is printed under the heading THRESH. If the Nor- malized value is less than or equal to the Threshold value, then the Attribute is said to have failed. If the Attribute is a pre-failure Attribute, then disk failure is imminent. Not reallocated sectors. I new disk has zero reallocated sectors. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 109 093 006Pre-fail Always - 198961952 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003 093 093 000Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 9 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 076 060 030Pre-fail Always - 45261344 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 099 099 000Old_age Always - 964 -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: But in Richard's case, 955 seems odd to me: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-failAlways - 955 Probably, you are right, and the value is OK. But I have never seen a counting like this before. I had a defective disk once, which increased 20 or 30 bad sectors a day. Therefore, such a high score would not be a surprise for me (Seagate replaced the disk for me, even it being more than 2 years old). It is quite a high number and many of my drives do have raw values much closer to zero, although I have at least a few with raw values in the 100s that still have 100 as the normalised value and are working fine. The problem with trying to interpret the raw values is that they are completely under the control of the vendor. The only thing S.M.A.R.T. specifies is the size of the field. Some vendors have previously taken a single field and used it to encode multiple values (e.g. breaking it up into several sub-fields). For example, some IBM drives encode three distinct temperature measurements in the raw value for the Temperature_Celsius attribute. Because of this, unless you know the scheme being used for a given vendor/drive model it's impossible to make any accurate assumption from the raw value alone - you just have to trust the firmware to decrement the normalised value appropriately as the drive begins to deteriorate. Regards, Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net writes: On Wednesday 28 January 2009, Richard Shaw wrote: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 955 It has to be about out of spare sectors, I haven't ever seen one that high. This is your wake up call I believe. Crap, a count of non-zero should be his wakeup call. All my disks that have grown bad spots soon died. Google noticed the same thing in their disk study. I'd copy the data on to a new disk, zero out the old disk and give it to someone you don't like very much. ;-) -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.full-steam.org/ (ipv6-only) You may need to config 6to4 to see the above pages. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
I've been having some quirky issues lately and decided to take a look at the SMART data for the disk. There seems to be a large count of errors in some of the categories. === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 087 086 006Pre-fail Always - 13453278 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003 095 094 000Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 45 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 955 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 064 060 030Pre-fail Always - 51576892355 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 092 092 000Old_age Always - 7529 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013 100 100 097Pre-fail Always - 1 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 45 184 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 100 100 099Old_age Always - 0 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 096 096 000Old_age Always - 4 188 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 086 086 000Old_age Always - 14 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 065 052 045Old_age Always - 35 (Lifetime Min/Max 35/36) 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 035 048 000Old_age Always - 35 (0 23 0 0) 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 041 022 000Old_age Always - 13453278 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count0x003e 200 200 000Old_age Always - 0 Thanks, Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?
On Wednesday 28 January 2009, Richard Shaw wrote: I've been having some quirky issues lately and decided to take a look at the SMART data for the disk. There seems to be a large count of errors in some of the categories. === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 087 086 006Pre-fail Always - 13453278 Maybe. 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003 095 094 000Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 45 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036Pre-fail Always - 955 It has to be about out of spare sectors, I haven't ever seen one that high. This is your wake up call I believe. 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 064 060 030Pre-fail Always - 51576892355 Ouch! That is getting 'up there' 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 092 092 000Old_age Always - 7529 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013 100 100 097Pre-fail Always - 1 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020Old_age Always - 45 184 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 100 100 099Old_age Always - 0 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 096 096 000Old_age Always - 4 188 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 086 086 000Old_age Always - 14 2 of my drives report this, but it is always 0 (so far) 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 065 052 045Old_age Always - 35 (Lifetime Min/Max 35/36) 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 035 048 000Old_age Always - 35 (0 23 0 0) 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 041 022 000Old_age Always - 13453278 Ouch, but just a small one. One of mine is 100x that and working fine. 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 100 100 000Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count0x003e 200 200 000Old_age Always - 0 Thanks, Richard I wouldn't let another day go by without getting as much of your data off that drive as you can, then a trip to town for a fresh one. Or reverse that in case you don't have that much backup media. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If people concentrated on the really important things in life, there'd be a shortage of fishing poles. -- Doug Larson -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
