Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Les wrote: snip greetings chief, kicked a few 'barrel babies' butts, eh? ;o)) i was a 'bus boy'. work on 'pocket rockets' at tyndall afb, adc, panama city, fl, in early 60's. do not recall name of navy base there, mine sweepers, from where i did meet a few chiefs, so i well know how you ?people? are. this whole mess came about simple because i used 'hell' and it was taken offensively. not my intent. i guess i was too excited about finding something to replace 'adobe flash', which i have yet to get to work. nor do i really care to. i have been thru a few years myself, and i have learned many ways to express feelings. both with and without 'profanity'. but there just seem to be times when 'profanity fits the bill' better than 'heck', 'darn', 'shucks', and such. all in all, my reason for putting a 'private post' on this list was to see just how many took offense to my word selection. mainly, my concern was that of op that i replied to. as you can see from thread, he was not offended, nor were many others. what was really interesting was 1 poster who judged me by my reply and thought that i do not know how to use proper words. i did have a good laugh about it, because if he had taken time to reread what i wrote, it would/should have become very apparent of what i was doing and if he had looked back thru any of my other post, he would have been well aware that i can and do express my self very well. therefore my reply to him was as it was. and i do believe it was adequate and fitting. i really enjoyed words from a couple of posters, from other threads, who also thought that they know me. one even to a point of making threats. very immature. anyway, glad to hear from you. may your ship of life float a long time. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFImHV9+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAku5AJ4oE+9IzIiHSXyUjhtv4gzH81lY/ACcC4Tq fauK27EYE+L+9PJeHKKrkZE= =OMGM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies
On Tuesday 05 August 2008 16:45:01 g wrote: this whole mess came about simple because i used 'hell' and it was taken offensively. not my intent. This was never about the use of one word, as you very well know, but about a general tone Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote: snip with out word, there is no tone. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFImH2A+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAgseAJ48BWeSR9UWmo8dUL7FuGJ+kMV4CACeI79n ucbnSaLMQ8o85L6NEi/bUEg= =6FG5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 05:29:51PM -0700, Les wrote: Profanity in any public context is always rude, and unnecessary, as well as unclear. If you don't have the vocabulary to express your intentions, then at least be polite and just say I don't understand 'the unclear part'. hell is profanity? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hell :) Rui -- Pzat! Today is Sweetmorn, the 70th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: snip hell is profanity? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hell you could have sent him rest of it for a better understanding. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/profanity then this would have really given him and bjorn something to do... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profanity#International_languages :) :o)) - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIlry++C4Bj9Rkw/wRAmZdAJ4gJ9vxfo8oSH4z3Jmqmb2Dyl1tQgCfZhKw ZD23XTHShZ1kM/4ugad93jM= =GY8n -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 08:24 +, g wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: snip hell is profanity? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hell you could have sent him rest of it for a better understanding. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/profanity then this would have really given him and bjorn something to do... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profanity#International_languages Speaking as somewhat of an experienced authority, I am a retired Navy Chief, I have more words than you can find in your dictionaries Trust me, ;-) It took years for me to become capable of real expression of complex concepts without every sailors favorite multipurpose word, but that journey, like all journeys had a profound effect on me in many ways. I hope you have the same luck I did. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
OT: Re: Replies to newbies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote: George, your tone to newcomers to the list often leaves something to be desired. People that know you don't take offence, but it's all too easy to scare newbies away. Please do be less critical and more sympathetic to them. :-) Who knows what they might contribute in the longer term. ok. just where in hell was i being 'off tone'??? if you would read back thru thread, you will see that i was interested in finding out what program rui [if that is what has brought this about] was referring to. my using hex to relate to what i was seeing in his reply was not meant to be offensive and because i do not have keyboard set up to print special marks, i used what i did. from what poc posted, i do not believe that i was being offensive, nor do i believe that poc did, nor was. it seems to me that you are one who is taking offense. and i may be wrong in relating to thread. you should be more specific. i do admit that there may be times when my replies may not be all 'candy and ice cream', but i have tried to be polite. sometime, satirical maybe, but usually not. when not, it may be because of more important matters, primarily due to fact that my mom is 93 years old and in last stages of her death. yet this is not a just reason for me to be 'off tone' to any one. because of this, i do reread every email i send, because i am very much aware of conditions and i do not care to pass any ill feelings out to this or any other list. when i do see that something that i write may be offensive, i do make note of it then or later if i see how i may have been offensive. and, as i said, i do not wish to offend anyone on this list, and why i am posting it because i do feel that if i have been 'off tone', i would like to hear from those who i may have offended. and i do appreciate you noting such. it just would be nice if you would explain where and what. now. i do have to tend to my mom and cut back yard so squirrels can put away their pogo sticks. i do look forward to any and all replies. i thank you. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIlc8h+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAu0RAKCzfNX8e+KIgqHpYDlW4xfVOWuVywCgu/Q0 T39+VOh8ed9lvSP4sDrPcFI= =crug -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote: snip Your single-line reply to someone who has English as a second language was: so just what in hell is 'Mir[0xef 0xbf,0xbd]'??? well kafba. i thought i had done something wrong... I don't find that polite, tactful, or helpful. your findings. because i used word 'hell'? or because i used hex notations? I approached you quiety, off-list, so that you could consider the matter calmly. no need to approach me quietly. not when it regards something that i posted to this list. as far as being calm. i was calm. but to consider what i wrote to be 'off tone', that is a little upsetting. hell, i thought i had really screwed up somewhere. but it seems that you are only one to have been offended. so, if my using word 'hell' offends you, then say so. damn, you had me worried that i had really fucked up. so, i apologies for using word 'hell'. and i sure as shit will not use it again in any damn thread that that you are in. btw, quiety is spelled quietly, teacher. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIlfEV+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAtbZAJ9IbmtWGPsRT6Yh/nt6a9/jZENLwgCcDaBQ xIMJ/9xgNBhwID/IaJ1ib9A= =Iqjx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies
On Sunday 03 August 2008 18:55:34 g wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: snip Your single-line reply to someone who has English as a second language was: so just what in hell is 'Mir[0xef 0xbf,0xbd]'??? well kafba. i thought i had done something wrong... I don't find that polite, tactful, or helpful. your findings. because i used word 'hell'? or because i used hex notations? Because Rui's offering was a helpful suggestion, and your reply implied that something was wrong with that. I approached you quiety, off-list, so that you could consider the matter calmly. no need to approach me quietly. not when it regards something that i posted to this list. Since you insist on making this public, I'll reply the same way, but I've no intentions of flogging a dead horse. btw, quiety is spelled quietly, teacher. I make as many typos as others. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies
söndagen den 3 augusti 2008 skrev g: Anne Wilson wrote: George, your tone to newcomers to the list often leaves something to be desired. People that know you don't take offence, but it's all too easy to scare newbies away. Please do be less critical and more sympathetic to them. :-) Who knows what they might contribute in the longer term. ok. just where in hell was i being 'off tone'??? Well that's one example right there. Hell and three question marks seems somewhat rude. if you would read back thru thread, you will see that i was interested in finding out what program rui [if that is what has brought this about] was referring to. my using hex to relate to what i was seeing in his reply was not meant to be offensive and because i do not have keyboard set up to print special marks, i used what i did. Instead of so just what in hell is 'Mir[0xef 0xbf,0xbd]'???, I suggest that you write something like That seems to have been garbled and I can't figure it out. What was the name of the program? That would be a nicer tone and would also help us understand you better. As you saw, I didn't understand at first that you asked for the name. I tought you complained about a garbled message. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Björn Persson wrote: snip hell, maybe. 3 ? to add emphasis that i do not understand. Instead of so just what in hell is 'Mir[0xef 0xbf,0xbd]'???, I suggest that you write something like That seems to have been garbled and I can't figure it out. What was the name of the program? That would be a nicer tone and would also help us understand you better. i agree. it would have been. i do have a lot loading me down and i just did not take time to try to be more specific. I tought you complained about a garbled message. it was garbled. as i stated in post to poc, no where on site is it spelled as rui spelled it. why he did, i do not know. in fact, i would not even try to guess. 2nd language or not, it was his spelling as he did that brought up this whole mess anyway. i do thank you for reply. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIlfx4+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAsG3AJ9ZUCIF8LWq87SkmXdEeNXqIL6KNwCgj3FQ 4TG5xvbPGJthNmVWVG+zt0c= =1Xh+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies
On Sun, 3 Aug 2008, Björn Persson wrote: söndagen den 3 augusti 2008 skrev g: ok. just where in hell was i being 'off tone'??? Well that's one example right there. Hell and three question marks seems somewhat rude. Give me a break!!! Hell is used in every day conversation and the question marks are for emphasis. Do you have a problem with that? If so, why? -- Bob Holtzman The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. Winston Churchill -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies
On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 17:55 +, g wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote: snip Your single-line reply to someone who has English as a second language was: so just what in hell is 'Mir[0xef 0xbf,0xbd]'??? well kafba. i thought i had done something wrong... I don't find that polite, tactful, or helpful. your findings. because i used word 'hell'? or because i used hex notations? I approached you quiety, off-list, so that you could consider the matter calmly. no need to approach me quietly. not when it regards something that i posted to this list. as far as being calm. i was calm. but to consider what i wrote to be 'off tone', that is a little upsetting. hell, i thought i had really screwed up somewhere. but it seems that you are only one to have been offended. so, if my using word 'hell' offends you, then say so. damn, you had me worried that i had really fucked up. so, i apologies for using word 'hell'. and i sure as shit will not use it again in any damn thread that that you are in. btw, quiety is spelled quietly, teacher. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIlfEV+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAtbZAJ9IbmtWGPsRT6Yh/nt6a9/jZENLwgCcDaBQ xIMJ/9xgNBhwID/IaJ1ib9A= =Iqjx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Profanity in any public context is always rude, and unnecessary, as well as unclear. If you don't have the vocabulary to express your intentions, then at least be polite and just say I don't understand 'the unclear part'. We progress in life from the inability to express ourselves at birth toward clarity at our death bed. I hope I have been clear, but I also hope I am a long way from the destination. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Les wrote: snip Les H what ever churns your butter... - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIllBg+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAjaLAJwIxztTS8CMo2IindnNLiYMVrTL1QCfY7iM tBCjtuUvMV7DbA9UzdRAMbc= =Rg/T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
