Re: Printing considered hard?
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 12:31 -0400, Jim wrote: Tim where is the printing troubleshooter log txt file stored. Wherever you put it. ;-) When you clicked the 'Save' button it opens a file dialog. Tim. */ attachment: Screenshot-Printing troubleshooter.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2009, 16:06 -0500 schrieb Aaron Konstam: On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 16:36 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: Hi all, I am sitting here in my new office and want to print from my fedora 11 machine. Epic fail. I just had to add ServerName and Encryption to /cups/client.conf and the basic tools (lpr) work. But printing from firefox is impossible (print dlg. freezes) and setting up this config from the printer dialog is impossible to (connect to server shows the printers but everytime I select one I get a connection error without further information). How is one supposed to print in todays fedora? regards Christoph If the client is on the same LAN as the server you should not have to touch client.conf. Cups does not know the difference between lpr printing and firefox printing so something sounds fishy, How about other applications printing. If firefox is the only one that fails then the problem is with firefox. It's not only firefox it is the whole Gtk/Gnome print subsystem. Every Gnome/Gtk App cannot print. Editing client.conf is a hack. And I guess it works without guarantee. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 17:57 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2009, 16:06 -0500 schrieb Aaron Konstam: On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 16:36 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: Hi all, I am sitting here in my new office and want to print from my fedora 11 machine. Epic fail. I just had to add ServerName and Encryption to /cups/client.conf and the basic tools (lpr) work. But printing from firefox is impossible (print dlg. freezes) and setting up this config from the printer dialog is impossible to (connect to server shows the printers but everytime I select one I get a connection error without further information). How is one supposed to print in todays fedora? regards Christoph If the client is on the same LAN as the server you should not have to touch client.conf. Cups does not know the difference between lpr printing and firefox printing so something sounds fishy, How about other applications printing. If firefox is the only one that fails then the problem is with firefox. It's not only firefox it is the whole Gtk/Gnome print subsystem. Every Gnome/Gtk App cannot print. Editing client.conf is a hack. And I guess it works without guarantee. When Tim Waugh is offering to help you, you should ignore everyone else and work with him since he is Red Hat/Fedora printing guru. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 17:57 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2009, 16:06 -0500 schrieb Aaron Konstam: On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 16:36 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: Hi all, I am sitting here in my new office and want to print from my fedora 11 machine. Epic fail. I just had to add ServerName and Encryption to /cups/client.conf and the basic tools (lpr) work. But printing from firefox is impossible (print dlg. freezes) and setting up this config from the printer dialog is impossible to (connect to server shows the printers but everytime I select one I get a connection error without further information). How is one supposed to print in todays fedora? regards Christoph If the client is on the same LAN as the server you should not have to touch client.conf. Cups does not know the difference between lpr printing and firefox printing so something sounds fishy, How about other applications printing. If firefox is the only one that fails then the problem is with firefox. It's not only firefox it is the whole Gtk/Gnome print subsystem. Every Gnome/Gtk App cannot print. Editing client.conf is a hack. And I guess it works without guarantee. -- You are making a case that something is wrong on your computer with the Gtk/Gnome subsystem not with cups. cups takes a print message and causes printing to occur. It does not ask the print message what program generated it. Have your looked in the error_log and access_log in /var/log/cups. What error messages are being generated. Give us those messages and maybe your problem can be diagnosed. Now you will notice inn the last few fedora versions client.conf which used to be filled with potential configuration lines is now empty. This is because cups functionality has changed significantly. So in most cases client.conf can be ignored. -- === Atomic batteries to power, turbines to speed. -- Robin, The Boy Wonder === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Printing considered hard?
Hi all, I am sitting here in my new office and want to print from my fedora 11 machine. Epic fail. I just had to add ServerName and Encryption to /cups/client.conf and the basic tools (lpr) work. But printing from firefox is impossible (print dlg. freezes) and setting up this config from the printer dialog is impossible to (connect to server shows the printers but everytime I select one I get a connection error without further information). How is one supposed to print in todays fedora? regards Christoph signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 16:36 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: Hi all, I am sitting here in my new office and want to print from my fedora 11 machine. Epic fail. I just had to add ServerName and Encryption to /cups/client.conf and the basic tools (lpr) work. ?? You shouldn't have to change any of that. How about telling us a little about your network so we don't have to guess? Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2009, 15:44 +0100 schrieb Tim Waugh: On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 16:36 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: Hi all, I am sitting here in my new office and want to print from my fedora 11 machine. Epic fail. I just had to add ServerName and Encryption to /cups/client.conf and the basic tools (lpr) work. ?? You shouldn't have to change any of that. How about telling us a little about your network so we don't have to guess? Well, there is really not much to say. It is a 1.3.10 cups server running some printers. Pretty standard setup, I'd guess. Except for any modern tools (aka print dialogs and printer setup/discovery) printing does work (you could plug in a debian, cups-client only system without a hassle). On the fedora side all server packages are somewhat broken it seems. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 17:04 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: How about telling us a little about your network so we don't have to guess? Well, there is really not much to say. It is a 1.3.10 cups server running some printers. Pretty standard setup, I'd guess. So the server is.. Fedora 10? Or something different? It's configured to require encryption or something? Is it sharing printers using CUPS browsing (i.e. 'Share printers connected to this system')? Is that server on the same subnet as your client? If not, perhaps some router is blocking out the CUPS broadcast packets or something. Are there other machines around on the same network as you that are able to print? What are they running, etc? Don't change /etc/cups/client.conf -- if you've changed it, change it back. The change you will be expected to make on the client is to allow CUPS broadcast packets from the server. To do that: 1. System-Administration-Firewall 2. Make sure 'Network Printing Client (IPP)' is enabled 3. Click 'Apply' (No, you shouldn't need to do any of that in an ideal world..) On the fedora side all server packages are somewhat broken it seems. Slightly confused now -- you're running Fedora 11 as a client, yes? Or a server? Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Tim Waugh twa...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 17:04 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: The change you will be expected to make on the client is to allow CUPS broadcast packets from the server. To do that: 1. System-Administration-Firewall 2. Make sure 'Network Printing Client (IPP)' is enabled 3. Click 'Apply' I think I may be having the same (or similar problem). I've been running F11 on my desktop since shortly after release but my wife as been running F10 until just recently, however the problem seemed to be present for her on both F10 and F11. She was using auto-discovered printer queues for a while but at some point they just disappeared so I manually configured my printer (over IPP). After upgrading her (actually fresh install) to F11 and opening up the firewall auto-discover once again worked (for a day or two), then just yesterday she tried to print and all the printer queues were gone again. My network is a simple home network, all one subnet (192.168.0.X) She is working over wireless on a laptop but that shouldn't matter. She does not sleep/hibernate her laptop as it doesn't work well so that shouldn't be causing any issues. I can provide more config info but nothing was changed by me or my wife from the time it was working to the time it stopped. Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2009, 16:15 +0100 schrieb Tim Waugh:
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 17:04 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote:
How about telling us a little about your network so we don't have to
guess?
Well, there is really not much to say. It is a 1.3.10 cups server
running some printers. Pretty standard setup, I'd guess.
So the server is.. Fedora 10? Or something different? It's configured
to require encryption or something? Is it sharing printers using CUPS
browsing (i.e. 'Share printers connected to this system')?
I have no idea how that server is configured, since I am not the admin.
All I know is that no encryption should be required and the mentioned
settings work fine. I can query the http site of the server and see
every printer. I doubt that it broadcasts its printers though. Going to
ask the admin.
Is that server on the same subnet as your client? If not, perhaps some
router is blocking out the CUPS broadcast packets or something.
Maybe. This is indeed not the same subnet.
Are there other machines around on the same network as you that are able
to print? What are they running, etc?
Since this is some kind of guest network I do not know of any other
machines.
Don't change /etc/cups/client.conf -- if you've changed it, change it
back.
The change you will be expected to make on the client is to allow CUPS
broadcast packets from the server. To do that:
1. System-Administration-Firewall
2. Make sure 'Network Printing Client (IPP)' is enabled
3. Click 'Apply'
FW was deactivated ;)
(No, you shouldn't need to do any of that in an ideal world..)
On the fedora side all server packages are somewhat broken it seems.
Slightly confused now -- you're running Fedora 11 as a client, yes? Or
a server?
I have a fedora 11 client here at work and it won't play nicely with the
cups server here.
And I guess I know why:
connect(18, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(631),
sin_addr=inet_addr(10.146.2.17)}, 16) = -1 EHOSTUNREACH (No route to
host)
This happens after alot of conversation. I am going to ask the admin
what this machine is and what it is good for (simple guess: It's the
printer and I am not allowed talking to it directly).
The question is: why do I need to connect to a printer (or any other
machine) when I only want to talk to a cups server??
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Re: Printing considered hard?
On 10/08/2009 11:39 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Tim Waughtwa...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 17:04 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: The change you will be expected to make on the client is to allow CUPS broadcast packets from the server. To do that: 1. System-Administration-Firewall 2. Make sure 'Network Printing Client (IPP)' is enabled 3. Click 'Apply' I think I may be having the same (or similar problem). I've been running F11 on my desktop since shortly after release but my wife as been running F10 until just recently, however the problem seemed to be present for her on both F10 and F11. She was using auto-discovered printer queues for a while but at some point they just disappeared so I manually configured my printer (over IPP). After upgrading her (actually fresh install) to F11 and opening up the firewall auto-discover once again worked (for a day or two), then just yesterday she tried to print and all the printer queues were gone again. My network is a simple home network, all one subnet (192.168.0.X) She is working over wireless on a laptop but that shouldn't matter. She does not sleep/hibernate her laptop as it doesn't work well so that shouldn't be causing any issues. I can provide more config info but nothing was changed by me or my wife from the time it was working to the time it stopped. Richard I set Network printing up on a 2wire router and took printer and Linux computer to a different location that had a Linksys WRT54G2 router and I loaded software in a Windows XP box for network printing. Well I can't get the Windows or the Linux computer to print to Printer Samsung CLX3175FN. The Linux computer had no problems on the 2Wire router. I can ping the printer from the Linux or Windows computers but I can't print. I called Linksys and they swear that their WRT54G2 has no problems of this nature. But I still feel that there is a Router problem. I connected both printers to USB and they print fine. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
Christoph Höger wrote: Hi all, I am sitting here in my new office and want to print from my fedora 11 machine. Epic fail. I just had to add ServerName and Encryption to /cups/client.conf and the basic tools (lpr) work. But printing from firefox is impossible (print dlg. freezes) and setting up this config from the printer dialog is impossible to (connect to server shows the printers but everytime I select one I get a connection error without further information). How is one supposed to print in todays fedora? With ease I suspect. I hadn't a printer configured on an F11 system. I've got the following bits F11 at 192.168.40.129 HP PSC 2510 at 192.168.0.10 I can ping the HP from the F11. On the F11 brought up FF and went to http://localhost:631 and went through the dialog to add a printer. I then printed a test page and then printed a page from FF and then printed a page from TBird. Got all of this going in less than 5 minutes, I think FWIW, my client.conf file is totally empty. Not even sure what that is used for...maybe I'll check it out. -- If you have never been hated by your child, you have never been a parent. -- Bette Davis Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 17:45 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote:
I have a fedora 11 client here at work and it won't play nicely with the
cups server here.
Works fine on my Fedora 11 (client) - Fedora 10 (server) set-up here,
so it's some configuration issue local to you.
And I guess I know why:
connect(18, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(631),
sin_addr=inet_addr(10.146.2.17)}, 16) = -1 EHOSTUNREACH (No route to
host)
This is almost useful, but it has no context at all so I have no idea
what to make of it.
The question is: why do I need to connect to a printer (or any other
machine) when I only want to talk to a cups server??
You don't.
Run the printing troubleshooter: System-Administration-Printing, then
System-Administration.
File a bug report against cups, and attach the troubleshoot.txt file you
got from the troubleshooter, as well as an explanation of where the
printer is in relation to you on the network.
Tim.
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Re: Printing considered hard?
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 10:39 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: I think I may be having the same (or similar problem). I've been running F11 on my desktop since shortly after release but my wife as been running F10 until just recently, however the problem seemed to be present for her on both F10 and F11. She was using auto-discovered printer queues for a while but at some point they just disappeared so I manually configured my printer (over IPP). After upgrading her (actually fresh install) to F11 and opening up the firewall auto-discover once again worked (for a day or two), then just yesterday she tried to print and all the printer queues were gone again. Please file a bug report -- file it against cups initially. Attach the troubleshoot.txt file you get from running the printing troubleshooter (System-Administration-Printing, then Help-Troubleshoot). Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 11:50 -0400, Jim wrote: I set Network printing up on a 2wire router and took printer and Linux computer to a different location that had a Linksys WRT54G2 router and I loaded software in a Windows XP box for network printing. Well I can't get the Windows or the Linux computer to print to Printer Samsung CLX3175FN. The Linux computer had no problems on the 2Wire router. I can ping the printer from the Linux or Windows computers but I can't print. I called Linksys and they swear that their WRT54G2 has no problems of this nature. But I still feel that there is a Router problem. I connected both printers to USB and they print fine. Have you tried running the printing troubleshooter? It can attempt diagnose problems with network connectivity to the server. Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2009, 16:59 +0100 schrieb Tim Waugh:
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 17:45 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote:
I have a fedora 11 client here at work and it won't play nicely with the
cups server here.
Works fine on my Fedora 11 (client) - Fedora 10 (server) set-up here,
so it's some configuration issue local to you.
And I guess I know why:
connect(18, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(631),
sin_addr=inet_addr(10.146.2.17)}, 16) = -1 EHOSTUNREACH (No route to
host)
This is almost useful, but it has no context at all so I have no idea
what to make of it.
Me neither. Since this is not my network. But this is the point where
getting the printer props breaks.
Bug filed.
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Re: Printing considered hard?
On 10/08/2009 12:02 PM, Tim Waugh wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 11:50 -0400, Jim wrote: I set Network printing up on a 2wire router and took printer and Linux computer to a different location that had a Linksys WRT54G2 router and I loaded software in a Windows XP box for network printing. Well I can't get the Windows or the Linux computer to print to Printer Samsung CLX3175FN. The Linux computer had no problems on the 2Wire router. I can ping the printer from the Linux or Windows computers but I can't print. I called Linksys and they swear that their WRT54G2 has no problems of this nature. But I still feel that there is a Router problem. I connected both printers to USB and they print fine. Have you tried running the printing troubleshooter? It can attempt diagnose problems with network connectivity to the server. Tim. */ Tim where is the printing troubleshooter log txt file stored. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 16:36 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: Hi all, I am sitting here in my new office and want to print from my fedora 11 machine. Epic fail. I just had to add ServerName and Encryption to /cups/client.conf and the basic tools (lpr) work. But printing from firefox is impossible (print dlg. freezes) and setting up this config from the printer dialog is impossible to (connect to server shows the printers but everytime I select one I get a connection error without further information). How is one supposed to print in todays fedora? regards Christoph If the client is on the same LAN as the server you should not have to touch client.conf. Cups does not know the difference between lpr printing and firefox printing so something sounds fishy, How about other applications printing. If firefox is the only one that fails then the problem is with firefox. -- === life, n.: Learning about people the hard way -- by being one. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 10:39 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Tim Waugh twa...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 17:04 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: The change you will be expected to make on the client is to allow CUPS broadcast packets from the server. To do that: 1. System-Administration-Firewall 2. Make sure 'Network Printing Client (IPP)' is enabled 3. Click 'Apply' I think I may be having the same (or similar problem). I've been running F11 on my desktop since shortly after release but my wife as been running F10 until just recently, however the problem seemed to be present for her on both F10 and F11. She was using auto-discovered printer queues for a while but at some point they just disappeared so I manually configured my printer (over IPP). After upgrading her (actually fresh install) to F11 and opening up the firewall auto-discover once again worked (for a day or two), then just yesterday she tried to print and all the printer queues were gone again. My network is a simple home network, all one subnet (192.168.0.X) She is working over wireless on a laptop but that shouldn't matter. She does not sleep/hibernate her laptop as it doesn't work well so that shouldn't be causing any issues. I can provide more config info but nothing was changed by me or my wife from the time it was working to the time it stopped. Richard Something must have changed but I believe you that you don't know what it is. The printers should be configured on only one machine and the other(s) should pick up the configuration info from that one machine (the server). Is that what you are doing? What is harder to do is to have a machine with a local printer pick up the info on the printers configured on the server. Is that what you are trying to do? Which is the situation in your LAN? -- === I smell like a wet reducing clinic on Columbus Day! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing considered hard?
How is one supposed to print in todays fedora? regards Christoph I have been using Fedora 11 with no problems. My fuji Xerox c2100 lazer won't print from usb, only from eth0 I guess it depends on the printer driver. What printer are you using. Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
