Re: Upgrade FC3 to FC10
Moessbauer, David wrote: Have an old system that requires upgrade from existing FC3 configuration to FC10 for security concerns. Upgrade vice fresh install is necessary to maintain existing proprietary application loads. If you really care about security, you have to reinstall anyway. Your system may be already compromised, given that FC3 hasn't received security updates for years now. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Upgrade FC3 to FC10
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 09:10 -0400, Moessbauer, David wrote: Have an old system that requires upgrade from existing FC3 configuration to FC10 for security concerns. Upgrade vice fresh install is necessary to maintain existing proprietary application loads. You have proprietary software installed in FC3 that you want to work in the new OS too? When attempt to utilize FC10 upgrade DVD it can not find a Linux load on HDD, though it is there. Also tried with FC9, same results. Any guidance would be appreciated. Then F9 and F10 might be too new to be able to upgrade such an old installation. I wouldn't update to a new Fedora, if you have proprietary software that you still want to use. The libraries and so on may not be compatible with the old software. I suggest you update to CentOS 4 ( http://centos.org/ ), which is largely based on Fedora Core 3 so the update should be quite painless. You should even be able to do the update with yum. -- Jussi Lehtola Fedora Project Contributor jussileht...@fedoraproject.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Upgrade FC3 to FC10
Yes, we need applications to work in new OS too. Would CentOS4 address following security concerns: 1. Disable Executive Stack - IE: kernel must support NX feature 2. Linux Kernel Remote Denial of Service Vulnerability that affects kernels prior to 2.6.27.5 -Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jussi Lehtola Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:39 AM To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: Upgrade FC3 to FC10 On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 09:10 -0400, Moessbauer, David wrote: Have an old system that requires upgrade from existing FC3 configuration to FC10 for security concerns. Upgrade vice fresh install is necessary to maintain existing proprietary application loads. You have proprietary software installed in FC3 that you want to work in the new OS too? When attempt to utilize FC10 upgrade DVD it can not find a Linux load on HDD, though it is there. Also tried with FC9, same results. Any guidance would be appreciated. Then F9 and F10 might be too new to be able to upgrade such an old installation. I wouldn't update to a new Fedora, if you have proprietary software that you still want to use. The libraries and so on may not be compatible with the old software. I suggest you update to CentOS 4 ( http://centos.org/ ), which is largely based on Fedora Core 3 so the update should be quite painless. You should even be able to do the update with yum. -- Jussi Lehtola Fedora Project Contributor jussileht...@fedoraproject.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Upgrade FC3 to FC10
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 11:31 -0400, Moessbauer, David wrote: Yes, we need applications to work in new OS too. Would CentOS4 address following security concerns: 1. Disable Executive Stack - IE: kernel must support NX feature 2. Linux Kernel Remote Denial of Service Vulnerability that affects kernels prior to 2.6.27.5 CentOS 4 was released in 2005 and will be supported AFAIK until 2012. There should be no security concerns with it. -- Jussi Lehtola Fedora Project Contributor jussileht...@fedoraproject.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Upgrade FC3 to FC10
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:31:35 -0400 Moessbauer, David dmoessba...@progeny.net wrote: Yes, we need applications to work in new OS too. Would CentOS4 address following security concerns: 1. Disable Executive Stack - IE: kernel must support NX feature Centos has it if I remember (assuming your CPU supports PAE and NX) 2. Linux Kernel Remote Denial of Service Vulnerability that affects kernels prior to 2.6.27.5 Insufficient information - which specific vulnerability (what vulnerability id ?) Centos is built from the same basic sources as Red Hat Enterprise Linux - so its long term maintained but without the guarantees, support and service stuff paying for Red Hat gets you. If you need long lifetimes of old code its probably more appropriate than Fedora -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Upgrade FC3 to FC10
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Moessbauer, David wrote: Yes, we need applications to work in new OS too. Would CentOS4 address following security concerns: 1. Disable Executive Stack - IE: kernel must support NX feature 2. Linux Kernel Remote Denial of Service Vulnerability that affects kernels prior to 2.6.27.5 CentOS 4 is a clone of Red Hat's RHEL4 minus the trademarked stuff (like the Red Hat name and Red Hat specific icons) Jussi Lehtola wrote: I suggest you update to CentOS 4 ( http://centos.org/ ), which is largely based on Fedora Core 3 so the update should be quite painless. You should even be able to do the update with yum. You might have to tidy up a lot after a yum update (or indeed any other update from FC3 to CentOS 4), because some packages in a fully patched version of FC3 (eg. the kernel) will have a higher version number than Centos 4, since in RHEL security patches are often backported to the original version of the software in the distribution rather than using the later version that includes the fix. Michael Young -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Upgrade FC3 to FC10
Moessbauer, David dmoessba...@progeny.net writes: Have an old system that requires upgrade from existing FC3 configuration to FC10 for security concerns. Upgrade vice fresh install is necessary to maintain existing proprietary application loads.  When attempt to utilize FC10 upgrade DVD it can not find a Linux load on HDD, though it is there. Also tried with FC9, same results.  Any guidance would be appreciated. Buy a new disk, unplug the old one and do a clean install of f11 on it when f11 comes out in a week. Then recompile your proprietary software and run. If it fails, you can always put the old fc3 disk back in and wait till someone breaks in and destroys the system. At that point it won't matter that the proprietary stuff doesn't run on f11, because it won't run on the fc3 installation either. ;-) All joking aside, I don't see how you can avoid reinstalling your proprietary stuff under a more recent OS. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht Android 1.5 (Cupcake) and Fedora-11 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Upgrade FC3 to FC10
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: All joking aside, I don't see how you can avoid reinstalling your proprietary stuff under a more recent OS. in all seriousness, i have wondered about this problem of upgrading from an out of support version and have to ask, is it not possible to pull old version iso's from archives and burn dvd's to step thru versions to current using 'upgrade' feature? granted, it would take some time to do, put if a user has software from non red hat/fedora vendor, would this not be a way to retain them and end up at current version of fedora? -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Upgrade FC3 to FC10
g wrote: Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: if a user has software from non red hat/fedora vendor, That unfortunately is what cannot be guaranteed to work. They may\should possible have a support contract with said vendors. The ideal is to wipe and upgrade in this instance. Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Upgrade FC3 to FC10
Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) wrote: if a user has software from non red hat/fedora vendor, That unfortunately is what cannot be guaranteed to work. it would not be guaranteed to work if it depended on libs, etc, from fedora. but, it 3rd party software had it's own lib, etc, and used 'standard' systems calls, 3ps would be independent from changes of lib, etc. They may\should possible have a support contract with said vendors. that is without a doubt. The ideal is to wipe and upgrade in this instance. not for op. anyway, to my questioning, could updating system, to gain security fixes and enhancements, not be done by pulling from archives and stepping thru to a current version? -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Upgrade FC3 to FC10
g gel...@bellsouth.net writes: is it not possible to pull old version iso's from archives and burn dvd's to step thru versions to current using 'upgrade' feature? Before the recent preupgrade from f10 to f11/rawhide I've never had an upgraded that worked well enough to use. Things might have seemed to work for a wile, but there were a lot of rough edges. Doing a long string of upgrades would just compound the problem. Sure he can try, but *I* wouldn't bother. Half the advantage of doing an upgrade is that one gets to blow away one's hacked-to-death config files that one did years ago when one didn't understand things as well. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht Android 1.5 (Cupcake) and Fedora-11 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Upgrade FC3 to FC10
Thanks. Have come to conclusion that fresh install and a recompile of source material is the answer. -Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Wolfgang S. Rupprecht Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:07 PM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Upgrade FC3 to FC10 g gel...@bellsouth.net writes: is it not possible to pull old version iso's from archives and burn dvd's to step thru versions to current using 'upgrade' feature? Before the recent preupgrade from f10 to f11/rawhide I've never had an upgraded that worked well enough to use. Things might have seemed to work for a wile, but there were a lot of rough edges. Doing a long string of upgrades would just compound the problem. Sure he can try, but *I* wouldn't bother. Half the advantage of doing an upgrade is that one gets to blow away one's hacked-to-death config files that one did years ago when one didn't understand things as well. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht Android 1.5 (Cupcake) and Fedora-11 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Upgrade FC3 to FC10
Quoting Moessbauer, David dmoessba...@progeny.net: Thanks. Have come to conclusion that fresh install and a recompile of source material is the answer. .. unless you switch to CentOS 4, which is more reasonable simply on the ground that the support time is bigger than in Fedora (7 years compared to 1 year). [CentOS 4 still has 3 years of support left.] -- Jussi Lehtola Fedora Project Contributor jussileht...@fedoraproject.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
