Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-12 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Richard Shaw writes:


On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Sam Varshavchikmr...@courier-mta.com wrote:

Richard Shaw writes:


I am using the nouveau driver,
xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-0.0.12-40.20090528git0c17b87.fc11.i586


Although that's only one datapoint, it seems that the problem is with
a fedora package and not with the proprietary nvidia drivers, which is
some way is a relief. I guess this leaves a kernel driver or Xorg dpms
bug as the culprit?


Is anyone /not/ running ntp? One possibility that came to mind is something 
getting confused by ntp adjusting the system clock.







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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-12 Thread Steven Stern

On 07/10/2009 09:30 PM, Joe Smith wrote:

On 07/10/2009 10:10 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

...
It's the screensaver. Something's causing it to trip, when it shouldn't.


Absolutely.

The screen going dead while I was working scared me half to death a few
times until I went to the power management settings and changed it to
never put the display to sleep. No more problems until the other day
when I decided to try again, but it's happened again once since I
enabled it.

It happens both ways: sometimes the screen gets shut off when the system
is not idle, and sometimes it doesn't get shut off when the system is
idle. And _most_ of the time, it works correctly.

I don't think it has anything to do with the screen saver per se; that
seems to be ok. I think it's the power management that's a little confused.

Joe



I go with the power management theory.  About two updates of something 
ago, the power management system stopped putting my monitor into 
standby.  It turns off the image, but the backlights stay on.


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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-12 Thread James Bridge
On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 21:13 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Sam Varshavchikmr...@courier-mta.com wrote:
  There's been a steady trickle of complaints from different folks about their
  screens going blank for a second, or two, after upgrading to F11.

I noticed this sort of problem with previous versions of fedora, too,
though definitely worse with the nouveau driver in F11. I mostly use the
legacy nvidia driver which just flickers briefly and then recovers by
itself, whereas with F11 and nouveau I have to touch the mouse to get
the display back. (Now reverted to nvidia - I like the screen candy!)
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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-12 Thread Jonathan Underwood
2009/7/12 Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com:
 Just to gather more data, would everyone reply with the version and
 source they are using for the nvidia drivers? I want to see if we can
 figure out which package is the culprit...


I see it on my 3 machines. All 3 are intel graphics. So it's not
nvidia specific.

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-12 Thread Gianluca Sforna
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Jonathan
Underwoodjonathan.underw...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/7/12 Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com:
 Just to gather more data, would everyone reply with the version and
 source they are using for the nvidia drivers? I want to see if we can
 figure out which package is the culprit...


 I see it on my 3 machines. All 3 are intel graphics. So it's not
 nvidia specific.

Yes, it does not look like driver specific, I wonder if someone around
here experience the same problem with other spins (KDE, XFCE, LXED
etc)

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread brian

On 07/10/2009 10:49 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Richard Shaw writes:


On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Sam
Varshavchikmr...@courier-mta.com wrote:


It's the screensaver. Something's causing it to trip, when it shouldn't.


I was hoping wasn't the only person having that problem! Anyone have
a solution other than disabling dpms?


Yes. Beer.


Beer, as a step towards a solution, is generally a good approach.

Another mee too here, btw. I was wondering if it was just my ancient 
CRT that was on its last legs but then came to the realisation that it 
looked more like  power management bug.



It's annoying, but it's not the end of the world. I can see why this may
be a problem if you're playing some game; except in that case, it's just
a minor annoyance.



I have to disagree with that. At best, it's a minor annoyance if one 
is working (read: trying to get stuff done).


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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Shannon McMackin

On 07/10/2009 10:10 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

There's been a steady trickle of complaints from different folks about
their screens going blank for a second, or two, after upgrading to F11.

I've observed this too -- it happens on one of my laptops every couple
of days, or so. I've always had the impression that, for some reason,
this was the screensaver kicking in. They way that happened always gave
me that idea.

I'm now pretty sure that, sometimes, for some reason the screensaver
kicks in even though the system is not idle. I just finished typing, and
began reading something on the screen, when the screen went black about
three seconds after I stopped typing.

I did nothing, and the screen continued to stay black. After waiting
about ten seconds, I pressed the shift key, and my desktop came back.

It's the screensaver. Something's causing it to trip, when it shouldn't.

Happens on my Lenovo T61.  Usually just goes out for a second or 2 and 
then comes back.


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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 11:26 -0400, Shannon McMackin wrote:
 On 07/10/2009 10:10 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
  There's been a steady trickle of complaints from different folks about
  their screens going blank for a second, or two, after upgrading to F11.
 
  I've observed this too -- it happens on one of my laptops every couple
  of days, or so. I've always had the impression that, for some reason,
  this was the screensaver kicking in. They way that happened always gave
  me that idea.
 
  I'm now pretty sure that, sometimes, for some reason the screensaver
  kicks in even though the system is not idle. I just finished typing, and
  began reading something on the screen, when the screen went black about
  three seconds after I stopped typing.
 
  I did nothing, and the screen continued to stay black. After waiting
  about ten seconds, I pressed the shift key, and my desktop came back.
 
  It's the screensaver. Something's causing it to trip, when it shouldn't.
 
 Happens on my Lenovo T61.  Usually just goes out for a second or 2 and 
 then comes back.

Happens on my T61 (nVidia driver) too.  Last time, I just waited and it
didn't return until I touched the touchpad.

 
 
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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Robert Nichols

Mail Lists wrote:

On 07/10/2009 10:30 PM, Joe Smith wrote:

On 07/10/2009 10:10 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

...


 Same prob for me - lenovo laptop.


Same here, also a Lenovo laptop.  Just happened again immediately
after coming back from a blanked screen and a screensaver lock.

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 13:52 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 11:26 -0400, Shannon McMackin wrote:
  On 07/10/2009 10:10 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
   There's been a steady trickle of complaints from different folks about
   their screens going blank for a second, or two, after upgrading to F11.
  
   I've observed this too -- it happens on one of my laptops every couple
   of days, or so. I've always had the impression that, for some reason,
   this was the screensaver kicking in. They way that happened always gave
   me that idea.
  
   I'm now pretty sure that, sometimes, for some reason the screensaver
   kicks in even though the system is not idle. I just finished typing, and
   began reading something on the screen, when the screen went black about
   three seconds after I stopped typing.
  
   I did nothing, and the screen continued to stay black. After waiting
   about ten seconds, I pressed the shift key, and my desktop came back.
  
   It's the screensaver. Something's causing it to trip, when it shouldn't.
  
  Happens on my Lenovo T61.  Usually just goes out for a second or 2 and 
  then comes back.
 
 Happens on my T61 (nVidia driver) too.  Last time, I just waited and it
 didn't return until I touched the touchpad.

Another thing I notice: I have the screen set to dim on idle.
Sometimes, the screen dims even when I am typing and does not restore
full brightness until I turn the brightness up manually.

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/11/2009 05:25 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:

 Another thing I notice: I have the screen set to dim on idle.
 Sometimes, the screen dims even when I am typing and does not restore
 full brightness until I turn the brightness up manually.
 

  I see the same problem ...

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Bret

On 07/11/2009 05:37 PM, Mail Lists wrote:

On 07/11/2009 05:25 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:


Another thing I notice: I have the screen set to dim on idle.
Sometimes, the screen dims even when I am typing and does not restore
full brightness until I turn the brightness up manually.



   I see the same problem ...


having the same problem

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Bretbret...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 07/11/2009 05:37 PM, Mail Lists wrote:

 On 07/11/2009 05:25 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:

 Another thing I notice: I have the screen set to dim on idle.
 Sometimes, the screen dims even when I am typing and does not restore
 full brightness until I turn the brightness up manually.


   I see the same problem ...

 having the same problem

Just to gather more data, would everyone reply with the version and
source they are using for the nvidia drivers? I want to see if we can
figure out which package is the culprit...

Richard

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Richard Shaw writes:


On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Bretbret...@gmail.com wrote:

On 07/11/2009 05:37 PM, Mail Lists wrote:


On 07/11/2009 05:25 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:


Another thing I notice: I have the screen set to dim on idle.
Sometimes, the screen dims even when I am typing and does not restore
full brightness until I turn the brightness up manually.



  I see the same problem ...


having the same problem


Just to gather more data, would everyone reply with the version and
source they are using for the nvidia drivers? I want to see if we can
figure out which package is the culprit...


I am using the nouveau driver,
xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-0.0.12-40.20090528git0c17b87.fc11.i586




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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Sam Varshavchikmr...@courier-mta.com wrote:
 Richard Shaw writes:

 On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Bretbret...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 07/11/2009 05:37 PM, Mail Lists wrote:

 On 07/11/2009 05:25 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:

 Another thing I notice: I have the screen set to dim on idle.
 Sometimes, the screen dims even when I am typing and does not restore
 full brightness until I turn the brightness up manually.


   I see the same problem ...

 having the same problem

 Just to gather more data, would everyone reply with the version and
 source they are using for the nvidia drivers? I want to see if we can
 figure out which package is the culprit...

 I am using the nouveau driver,
 xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-0.0.12-40.20090528git0c17b87.fc11.i586

Although that's only one datapoint, it seems that the problem is with
a fedora package and not with the proprietary nvidia drivers, which is
some way is a relief. I guess this leaves a kernel driver or Xorg dpms
bug as the culprit?

Thanks,
Richard

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:15:59 -0500
Richard Shaw wrote:

 I guess this leaves a kernel driver or Xorg dpms
 bug as the culprit?

I vote gnome-power-manager, not Xorg. I removed
gnome-power-manager from my system after annoying
screen blanking two seconds after I finished typing
and replaced it with some xset commands in my
startup code to enable the xorg screen blanking
code instead (which has worked properly since
before the gnomes decided they had to rewrite
everything that already worked well :-).

No more screen blanking except after proper timeout
with gnome-power-manager gone.

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 11 July 2009, Richard Shaw wrote:
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Sam Varshavchikmr...@courier-mta.com 
wrote:
 Richard Shaw writes:
 On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Bretbret...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 07/11/2009 05:37 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
 On 07/11/2009 05:25 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
 Another thing I notice: I have the screen set to dim on idle.
 Sometimes, the screen dims even when I am typing and does not restore
 full brightness until I turn the brightness up manually.

   I see the same problem ...

 having the same problem

 Just to gather more data, would everyone reply with the version and
 source they are using for the nvidia drivers? I want to see if we can
 figure out which package is the culprit...

 I am using the nouveau driver,
 xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-0.0.12-40.20090528git0c17b87.fc11.i586

Although that's only one datapoint, it seems that the problem is with
a fedora package and not with the proprietary nvidia drivers, which is
some way is a relief. I guess this leaves a kernel driver or Xorg dpms
bug as the culprit?

Thanks,
Richard

If ya wanna, toss in that I'm running the radeonhd driver.  They can't all be 
bad, so maybe the dpms or something in the kernel is to blame after all.

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 11 July 2009, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:15:59 -0500

Richard Shaw wrote:
 I guess this leaves a kernel driver or Xorg dpms
 bug as the culprit?

I vote gnome-power-manager, not Xorg. I removed
gnome-power-manager from my system after annoying
screen blanking two seconds after I finished typing
and replaced it with some xset commands in my
startup code to enable the xorg screen blanking
code instead (which has worked properly since
before the gnomes decided they had to rewrite
everything that already worked well :-).

No more screen blanking except after proper timeout
with gnome-power-manager gone.

Ok, so what can we kde-4something users blame it on?

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:11:03 -0400
Gene Heskett wrote:

 Ok, so what can we kde-4something users blame it on?

I don't know, do a ps command to see what processes you
are running. You might find gnome-power-manager runs
even in a kde session (certainly gnome-keyring-daemon
seems to run in kde sessions on my system).

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 11 July 2009, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:11:03 -0400

Gene Heskett wrote:
 Ok, so what can we kde-4something users blame it on?

I don't know, do a ps command to see what processes you
are running. You might find gnome-power-manager runs
even in a kde session (certainly gnome-keyring-daemon
seems to run in kde sessions on my system).

I just scrolled through the htop list a couple of times without seeing 
anything that looks like that.  I'm not setup to gpg mail, so that isn't 
running either.

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Robert Nichols

Richard Shaw wrote:

Just to gather more data, would everyone reply with the version and
source they are using for the nvidia drivers? I want to see if we can
figure out which package is the culprit...


No nvidia here.  Using Intel driver for 965GM chipset,
Xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.7.0-7.fc11 I believe is the package.

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread Shannon McMackin

On 07/11/2009 10:08 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Saturday 11 July 2009, Richard Shaw wrote:

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Sam Varshavchikmr...@courier-mta.com

wrote:

Richard Shaw writes:

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Bretbret...@gmail.com  wrote:

On 07/11/2009 05:37 PM, Mail Lists wrote:

On 07/11/2009 05:25 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:

Another thing I notice: I have the screen set to dim on idle.
Sometimes, the screen dims even when I am typing and does not restore
full brightness until I turn the brightness up manually.

   I see the same problem ...

having the same problem

Just to gather more data, would everyone reply with the version and
source they are using for the nvidia drivers? I want to see if we can
figure out which package is the culprit...

I am using the nouveau driver,
xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-0.0.12-40.20090528git0c17b87.fc11.i586

Although that's only one datapoint, it seems that the problem is with
a fedora package and not with the proprietary nvidia drivers, which is
some way is a relief. I guess this leaves a kernel driver or Xorg dpms
bug as the culprit?

Thanks,
Richard


If ya wanna, toss in that I'm running the radeonhd driver.  They can't all be
bad, so maybe the dpms or something in the kernel is to blame after all.


I'm using an Intel driver...

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-11 Thread gilpel
 Richard Shaw wrote:
 Just to gather more data, would everyone reply with the version and
 source they are using for the nvidia drivers? I want to see if we can
 figure out which package is the culprit...

 No nvidia here.  Using Intel driver for 965GM chipset,
 Xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.7.0-7.fc11 I believe is the package.

 I didn't have a blank screen since I installed the Nvidia driver
 yesterday. It's still early to pretend the problem is gone, but with the
 Nouveau driver, I would probably have had at least one or two.

Oops! I finally had a blank screen.

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Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-10 Thread Sam Varshavchik
There's been a steady trickle of complaints from different folks about their 
screens going blank for a second, or two, after upgrading to F11.


I've observed this too -- it happens on one of my laptops every couple of 
days, or so. I've always had the impression that, for some reason, this was 
the screensaver kicking in. They way that happened always gave me that idea.


I'm now pretty sure that, sometimes, for some reason the screensaver kicks 
in even though the system is not idle. I just finished typing, and began 
reading something on the screen, when the screen went black about three 
seconds after I stopped typing.


I did nothing, and the screen continued to stay black. After waiting about 
ten seconds, I pressed the shift key, and my desktop came back.


It's the screensaver. Something's causing it to trip, when it shouldn't.



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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-10 Thread Richard Shaw
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Sam Varshavchikmr...@courier-mta.com wrote:
 There's been a steady trickle of complaints from different folks about their
 screens going blank for a second, or two, after upgrading to F11.

 I've observed this too -- it happens on one of my laptops every couple of
 days, or so. I've always had the impression that, for some reason, this was
 the screensaver kicking in. They way that happened always gave me that idea.

 I'm now pretty sure that, sometimes, for some reason the screensaver kicks
 in even though the system is not idle. I just finished typing, and began
 reading something on the screen, when the screen went black about three
 seconds after I stopped typing.

 I did nothing, and the screen continued to stay black. After waiting about
 ten seconds, I pressed the shift key, and my desktop came back.

 It's the screensaver. Something's causing it to trip, when it shouldn't.

I was hoping  wasn't the only person having that problem! Anyone have
a solution other than disabling dpms?

Richard

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-10 Thread Michael Thompson
2009/7/11 Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com:
 On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Sam Varshavchikmr...@courier-mta.com wrote:
 There's been a steady trickle of complaints from different folks about their
 screens going blank for a second, or two, after upgrading to F11.

This happens to me too
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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-10 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Richard Shaw writes:


On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Sam Varshavchikmr...@courier-mta.com wrote:


It's the screensaver. Something's causing it to trip, when it shouldn't.


I was hoping  wasn't the only person having that problem! Anyone have
a solution other than disabling dpms?


Yes. Beer.

It's annoying, but it's not the end of the world. I can see why this may be 
a problem if you're playing some game; except in that case, it's just a 
minor annoyance.




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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-10 Thread Joe Smith

On 07/10/2009 10:10 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

...
It's the screensaver. Something's causing it to trip, when it shouldn't.


Absolutely.

The screen going dead while I was working scared me half to death a few 
times until I went to the power management settings and changed it to 
never put the display to sleep. No more problems until the other day 
when I decided to try again, but it's happened again once since I 
enabled it.


It happens both ways: sometimes the screen gets shut off when the system 
is not idle, and sometimes it doesn't get shut off when the system is 
idle. And _most_ of the time, it works correctly.


I don't think it has anything to do with the screen saver per se; that 
seems to be ok. I think it's the power management that's a little confused.


Joe

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Re: Random screen blanking -- a clue

2009-07-10 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/10/2009 10:30 PM, Joe Smith wrote:
 On 07/10/2009 10:10 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
 ...

 Same prob for me - lenovo laptop.

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