Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:41:04 +0930 > Tim wrote: > >> Can user custom post install scripts be put into something? A psuedo >> Firefox RPM, perhaps. > > I'd like some sort of post-rpm install script that get run for > a variety of things. I've often wondered if rpm supports such a > thing. > There is support for a post-install script, but not support for an interactive one. I forget the exact reason for this, but I remember a long debate about it many years ago. (Before Fedora.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > I just go in as root and delete the language directories from > /usr/lib/firefox-/extensions. But they are part of the > Firefox RPM, so they always come back after an upgrade. I need to > file a request to get the extra languages put in a separate RPM. This was requested by Remi Collet ages ago. The Firefox maintainers rejected it, saying it complicates installation. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:41:04 +0930 Tim wrote: > Can user custom post install scripts be put into something? A psuedo > Firefox RPM, perhaps. I'd like some sort of post-rpm install script that get run for a variety of things. I've often wondered if rpm supports such a thing. (My current "fix after every firefox update" task involves editing the nsLoginManager.js file to hack the _isAutocompleteDisabled function so I can get it to remember passwords even on sites run by anal-rententive webmasters who think their passwords are too good to be remembered :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
Tim wrote: > R. G. Newbury wrote: > >>> It looks like the actual langpack files are in /usr/lib/firefox-x.y.z. >>> You can try deleting them, then 'touch' the filename to create a zero >>> byte file, then make the file immutable with 'chattr +i'. That might >>> crash the update process, though. >>> > > Langpack file symlinks to /dev/null? ;-) > > Mikkel L. Ellertson: > >> Nice idea. But it is not going to help. When Firefox is upgraded, a >> new firefox- directory is created. The language packs are >> installed there. >> > > Can user custom post install scripts be put into something? A psuedo > Firefox RPM, perhaps. > > All of those languages do affect start up time, particularly after a > Firefox update. That can be very annoying if you wanted to quickly look > something up. > > Am I glad I'm laid back, smoke dope, and not into instant gratification... :-) -- We have art that we do not die of the truth. -- Nietzsche mei-mei.gres...@greshko.com http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSz_koUhSg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
R. G. Newbury wrote: >> It looks like the actual langpack files are in /usr/lib/firefox-x.y.z. >> You can try deleting them, then 'touch' the filename to create a zero >> byte file, then make the file immutable with 'chattr +i'. That might >> crash the update process, though. Langpack file symlinks to /dev/null? ;-) Mikkel L. Ellertson: > Nice idea. But it is not going to help. When Firefox is upgraded, a > new firefox- directory is created. The language packs are > installed there. Can user custom post install scripts be put into something? A psuedo Firefox RPM, perhaps. All of those languages do affect start up time, particularly after a Firefox update. That can be very annoying if you wanted to quickly look something up. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
R. G. Newbury wrote: > > It looks like the actual langpack files are in /usr/lib/firefox-x.y.z. > You can try deleting them, then 'touch' the filename to create a zero > byte file, then make the file immutable with 'chattr +i'. That might > crash the update process, though. > And if it is a major update to firefox, it creates a new firefox-x.y.zz > folder, so it won't help in that case. > > Geoff > > Nice idea. But it is not going to help. When Firefox is upgraded, a new firefox- directory is created. The language packs are installed there. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
Rick Stevens wrote: >Beartooth wrote: > > On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:27:45 +0930, Tim wrote: > > [] >> >> It's really only the installer that needs to have multi-lingual support >> >> right from the get-go, to ask you what languages to use. An installed >> >> system only needs the languages that you actually need. > > > > Good point! All the more reason not to include umpteen bazillion > > of them as defaults anywhere else. >Would you communicate that to the Mozilla gang as well? :-) >Having all those ruddy language packs reinstalled every time Firefox or >Thunderbird gets updated is OK on my desktops with drives >500GB, but >they suck up too much space on my Aspire One. I delete them just to >have them reappear on every bloody update. G! It looks like the actual langpack files are in /usr/lib/firefox-x.y.z. You can try deleting them, then 'touch' the filename to create a zero byte file, then make the file immutable with 'chattr +i'. That might crash the update process, though. And if it is a major update to firefox, it creates a new firefox-x.y.zz folder, so it won't help in that case. Geoff -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: "Be regular. Eat cron flakes." -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
>>15MB of space taken up by the firefox language packs. Just how small is >>your notebook's disk? Well i stated this request not for the sake of space but a tidy and neat system. As a fedora-friend stated before the installer needs them all but the system usually needs one or two. Its best to get only the default language in the sytem (maybe make a installer choose-box to actually choose the language of your system so its clear-er), and then add as many language support packages as you want from add/remove. So easy, so clean. +1 for the firefox thing. Its not logical. Better do something that 11 doesnt have these language "issues". If someone can forword all the discussion to developers would be great. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
Rick Stevens wrote: > Beartooth wrote: >> On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:27:45 +0930, Tim wrote: >> [] >>> It's really only the installer that needs to have multi-lingual support >>> right from the get-go, to ask you what languages to use. An installed >>> system only needs the languages that you actually need. >> >> Good point! All the more reason not to include umpteen bazillion >> of them as defaults anywhere else. > > Would you communicate that to the Mozilla gang as well? :-) > > Having all those ruddy language packs reinstalled every time Firefox or > Thunderbird gets updated is OK on my desktops with drives >500GB, but > they suck up too much space on my Aspire One. I delete them just to > have them reappear on every bloody update. G! [egres...@misty extensions]$ du -sh /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.7/extensions 15M /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.7/extensions 15MB of space taken up by the firefox language packs. Just how small is your notebook's disk? -- Cheer Up! Things are getting worse at a slower rate. mei-mei.gres...@greshko.com http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSz_koUhSg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 14:00 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: >> Beartooth wrote: >>> On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:27:45 +0930, Tim wrote: >>> [] It's really only the installer that needs to have multi-lingual support right from the get-go, to ask you what languages to use. An installed system only needs the languages that you actually need. >>> Good point! All the more reason not to include umpteen bazillion >>> of them as defaults anywhere else. >> Would you communicate that to the Mozilla gang as well? :-) >> >> Having all those ruddy language packs reinstalled every time Firefox or >> Thunderbird gets updated is OK on my desktops with drives >500GB, but >> they suck up too much space on my Aspire One. I delete them just to >> have them reappear on every bloody update. G! > > I don't mind (much) having them there. What I do mind is having to go > through them one by one to disable them. The UI for this is > disfunctional. > > poc > I just go in as root and delete the language directories from /usr/lib/firefox-/extensions. But they are part of the Firefox RPM, so they always come back after an upgrade. I need to file a request to get the extra languages put in a separate RPM. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 14:00 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > Beartooth wrote: > > On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:27:45 +0930, Tim wrote: > > [] > >> It's really only the installer that needs to have multi-lingual support > >> right from the get-go, to ask you what languages to use. An installed > >> system only needs the languages that you actually need. > > > > Good point! All the more reason not to include umpteen bazillion > > of them as defaults anywhere else. > > Would you communicate that to the Mozilla gang as well? :-) > > Having all those ruddy language packs reinstalled every time Firefox or > Thunderbird gets updated is OK on my desktops with drives >500GB, but > they suck up too much space on my Aspire One. I delete them just to > have them reappear on every bloody update. G! I don't mind (much) having them there. What I do mind is having to go through them one by one to disable them. The UI for this is disfunctional. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
Rick Stevens wrote:
Having all those ruddy language packs reinstalled every time Firefox or
Thunderbird gets updated is OK on my desktops with drives >500GB, but
they suck up too much space on my Aspire One. I delete them just to
have them reappear on every bloody update. G!
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Can I delete all those language packs? I don't see one for
langpack-US. I usually just leave the the langpack-UK and langpack-enGB
files. It probably doesn't matter much but it would be easier to do if
I could wipe out everything. Gnome-commander is a convenient way to do it.
Bob
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Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
Mike Wright wrote: Rick Stevens wrote: Beartooth wrote: On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:27:45 +0930, Tim wrote: [] It's really only the installer that needs to have multi-lingual support right from the get-go, to ask you what languages to use. An installed system only needs the languages that you actually need. Good point! All the more reason not to include umpteen bazillion of them as defaults anywhere else. Would you communicate that to the Mozilla gang as well? :-) Having all those ruddy language packs reinstalled every time Firefox or Thunderbird gets updated is OK on my desktops with drives >500GB, but they suck up too much space on my Aspire One. I delete them just to have them reappear on every bloody update. G! Hi Rick! Hi, yourself, Mike! It may be worse than you think. While I work I leave the Firefox->Tools->JavaScript_Console open. Oh, you are a glutton for punishment! It seems that Firefox calls home daily or perhaps shortly after being launched. The javascript console reports, one by one, that each and every language pack is being/has been updated. I've found that if you uninstall the packs (deletions must be done as root, BTW), they stay gone UNTIL FF/TB gets updated. As to exactly when the packs actually get downloaded and installed, I'm not sure. When you start the newly updated program, they reappear. The startup time is a bit longer than normal after an update but not long enough to download the packs at that time. I think the packs are actually downloaded during the update and are only being "activated" during this extended startup. What I'm trying to get at is: If I've deactivated and deleted the packs, I obviously do NOT want them. Why does the stupid thing INSIST on stuffing them back in? I don't think this is a Fedora issue, I think it's a Mozilla thing and it's damned frustrating. Perhaps I shouldn't have opened this can of worms on this list. Forgive me, fellow Fedorans. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - If it's stupid and it works...it ain't stupid! - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
Rick Stevens wrote: Beartooth wrote: On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:27:45 +0930, Tim wrote: [] It's really only the installer that needs to have multi-lingual support right from the get-go, to ask you what languages to use. An installed system only needs the languages that you actually need. Good point! All the more reason not to include umpteen bazillion of them as defaults anywhere else. Would you communicate that to the Mozilla gang as well? :-) Having all those ruddy language packs reinstalled every time Firefox or Thunderbird gets updated is OK on my desktops with drives >500GB, but they suck up too much space on my Aspire One. I delete them just to have them reappear on every bloody update. G! Hi Rick! It may be worse than you think. While I work I leave the Firefox->Tools->JavaScript_Console open. It seems that Firefox calls home daily or perhaps shortly after being launched. The javascript console reports, one by one, that each and every language pack is being/has been updated. [as I freak out-->what else are you doing? argh] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
Beartooth wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:27:45 +0930, Tim wrote:
[]
It's really only the installer that needs to have multi-lingual support
right from the get-go, to ask you what languages to use. An installed
system only needs the languages that you actually need.
Good point! All the more reason not to include umpteen bazillion
of them as defaults anywhere else.
Would you communicate that to the Mozilla gang as well? :-)
Having all those ruddy language packs reinstalled every time Firefox or
Thunderbird gets updated is OK on my desktops with drives >500GB, but
they suck up too much space on my Aspire One. I delete them just to
have them reappear on every bloody update. G!
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Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:27:45 +0930, Tim wrote: [] > It's really only the installer that needs to have multi-lingual support > right from the get-go, to ask you what languages to use. An installed > system only needs the languages that you actually need. Good point! All the more reason not to include umpteen bazillion of them as defaults anywhere else. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 17:56 +, Beartooth wrote: > It ought not to be all that hard to get a list of languages by > number of computer users. Given that, surely one could include only > the top five (including or excluding English), plus directions in each > saying how to get the rest. It's really only the installer that needs to have multi-lingual support right from the get-go, to ask you what languages to use. An installed system only needs the languages that you actually need. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:14:57 +0300, Code Dash wrote: > Under "Package collections" in Add/Remove, there are tooo many language > packages installed by default. Most of us need english and the native > laguage, if its not english. Why have in my clean install system "Arabic > support", "Armenian Support" etc? Since i choose english in the > beginning of install that should only be installed. If i want another or > all the languages i can add them with some clicks. I d like my request > to be accepted, or explain to me if i miss something. Please discipline your mailer or newsreader to eschew html. I concur with the content, and have a suggestion. It ought not to be all that hard to get a list of languages by number of computer users. Given that, surely one could include only the top five (including or excluding English), plus directions in each saying how to get the rest. There are certainly monolingual users in North America, alas!; but they should be pretty well taken care of by the default to English. Elsewhere, people learn others in school if not before -- and the less widespread their own language, the more others they learn. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
