Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly
Reply below V V On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Johnathan Hegge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarded Message From: Bjørn Tore Sund [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com To: fedora-list@redhat.com fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:21:46 +0200 Tony Molloy wrote: On Friday 05 September 2008 16:05:04 Mike McCarty wrote: Tony Molloy wrote: Hi, I've just installed Fedora-9 on a lab of Dell OptiPlex 745 (SFF) machines. ( only in 1 lab TG ) After running firstboot when I went to reboot the machines they just hang and I had to do a hard reboot. I thought this was a minor glitch and ignored it. Now however when the machines boot into Fedora-9 the reboot and suspend buttons do not work. The windowing system just shuts down and I get a text prompt and the machines just hang there. Hang? That's a vague term. If you type on the keyboard, do characters get echoed? If you have a text prompt, then can you not do a Hang means exactly what it means. The machines just go dead!!! No input from the keyboard accepted. Only thing to do is a hard reboot. Got tons of Dell Optiplex 7XX, had that exact problem. Solution is two-step: 1. Flash up the bios. The ones they're shipped with suck bigtime. 2. Add the kernel parameter reboot=bios to all kernel lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst Solved it for us. -BT Ugh, I was having the same problem with my 745. So, I drug out a USB floppy and applied the latest BIOS -- going from 2.3.1 to 2.6.2 from Dell. Whoops. Starting up looks fine, all services showed OK. Gets to local, X starts and the box freezes at the spinning dots with a frozen mouse. Can't break with Ctrl-Alt-Del or Ctrl-Backspace. Hard power, restart, interactive init. Allow all, but skip local. X starts fine. rc.local contains: #!/bin/sh # # This script will be executed *after* all the other init scripts. # You can put your own initialization stuff in here if you don't # want to do the full Sys V style init stuff. touch /var/lock/subsys/local Reset BIOS to defaults for kicks, no change. I have a PCI Express graphics card, ATI x1300 installed. Any ideas? I guess I can revert BIOS one by one backward to see if it works. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Hi Johnathan Hegge! Did you try doing a CTL+ALT+F1 (evokes a login terminal - as does CTL+ALT+F2 to F6 - F7 to X and F8 to just before the start of X)? From there, or by using a rescue or Live CD booted to a terminal you can check several places in /var/log - I would look at Xorg.0.log, messages, dmesg, and possibly syslog. Doing a word search on EE in Xorg.0.log and fail or error etc... can often get you to the problem quickly. You may also try some boot options designed to help in other areas. The problem you mention, espically with the small form factor machines seems to have a history. Amongst many I found this link: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/3/12/201 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly
Forwarded Message From: Bjørn Tore Sund [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:51:54 +0200 Changing the subject like that is normally a very good way to make sure I won't spot your reply... Yes, my bad. Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:51:59 -0500 From: Johnathan Hegge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Got tons of Dell Optiplex 7XX, had that exact problem. Solution is two-step: 1. Flash up the bios. The ones they're shipped with suck bigtime. 2. Add the kernel parameter reboot=bios to all kernel lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst Solved it for us. -BT Ugh, I was having the same problem with my 745. So, I drug out a USB floppy and applied the latest BIOS -- going from 2.3.1 to 2.6.2 from Dell. Whoops. Starting up looks fine, all services showed OK. Gets to local, X starts and the box freezes at the spinning dots with a frozen mouse. Can't break with Ctrl-Alt-Del or Ctrl-Backspace. Hard power, restart, interactive init. Allow all, but skip local. X starts fine. rc.local contains: NOTHING 1. Did you apply the reboot=bios setting as well? 2. Did you try more than once, with the new bios? What you're describing sounds more like a fluke, or at least a problem unrelated to the bios update. There's nothing in your rc.local, thus nothing there which should make a difference. Reapply the most recent bios, set the kernel boot parameter, and give it a few more tries to check. Thanks for the ideas. 1. reboot=bios does indeed let the box reboot (if not already frozen), cool. 2. I tried several times with the same result. I reapplied the BIOS (BTW, are you using 2.6.2 as well?). I tried a few things to gain insight. Looking at inittab for a clue as to what happens after rc.local, I see that I need to look /etc/event.d. I see the prefdm script. Looks as though that just ends up launching gdm. So, I figured the problem at least relates more to that -- somewhere in the transition from rhgb to gdm. I booted to run level 3, ran gdm (as root) and X/gdm comes up fine. I rebooted after this successful boot and the 745 still freezes if I allow it to boot straight to run level 5. SELinux is disabled. I acquired a second 745 without the x1300 ATI card, applied the BIOS fix and will continue installing F9 to compare. I just noticed the memtest suggestion in another email, I'll try that tonight. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 05.09.2008 23:51, Johnathan Hegge a écrit : Starting up looks fine, all services showed OK. Gets to local, X starts and the box freezes at the spinning dots with a frozen mouse. Can't break with Ctrl-Alt-Del or Ctrl-Backspace. seems that X is stuck. Hard power, restart, interactive init. Allow all, but skip local. X starts fine. rc.local contains: #!/bin/sh # # This script will be executed *after* all the other init scripts. # You can put your own initialization stuff in here if you don't # want to do the full Sys V style init stuff. touch /var/lock/subsys/local nothing Reset BIOS to defaults for kicks, no change. I have a PCI Express graphics card, ATI x1300 installed. Disable selinux and retry. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 44 55 35 61 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIwiRCdE6C2dhV2JURAv/nAJ96d1i3O3qc7Xep5OniyrcOjiJW9QCePq9/ uzeXKu1bbTMjivMI39dC078= =xXo3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly
Changing the subject like that is normally a very good way to make sure I won't spot your reply... Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:51:59 -0500 From: Johnathan Hegge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Got tons of Dell Optiplex 7XX, had that exact problem. Solution is two-step: 1. Flash up the bios. The ones they're shipped with suck bigtime. 2. Add the kernel parameter reboot=bios to all kernel lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst Solved it for us. -BT Ugh, I was having the same problem with my 745. So, I drug out a USB floppy and applied the latest BIOS -- going from 2.3.1 to 2.6.2 from Dell. Whoops. Starting up looks fine, all services showed OK. Gets to local, X starts and the box freezes at the spinning dots with a frozen mouse. Can't break with Ctrl-Alt-Del or Ctrl-Backspace. Hard power, restart, interactive init. Allow all, but skip local. X starts fine. rc.local contains: NOTHING 1. Did you apply the reboot=bios setting as well? 2. Did you try more than once, with the new bios? What you're describing sounds more like a fluke, or at least a problem unrelated to the bios update. There's nothing in your rc.local, thus nothing there which should make a difference. Reapply the most recent bios, set the kernel boot parameter, and give it a few more tries to check. -BT -- Bjørn Tore Sund Phone: 555-84894 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IT department VIP: 81724 Support: http://bs.uib.no Univ. of Bergen When in fear and when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly
Forwarded Message From: Bjørn Tore Sund [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com To: fedora-list@redhat.com fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:21:46 +0200 Tony Molloy wrote: On Friday 05 September 2008 16:05:04 Mike McCarty wrote: Tony Molloy wrote: Hi, I've just installed Fedora-9 on a lab of Dell OptiPlex 745 (SFF) machines. ( only in 1 lab TG ) After running firstboot when I went to reboot the machines they just hang and I had to do a hard reboot. I thought this was a minor glitch and ignored it. Now however when the machines boot into Fedora-9 the reboot and suspend buttons do not work. The windowing system just shuts down and I get a text prompt and the machines just hang there. Hang? That's a vague term. If you type on the keyboard, do characters get echoed? If you have a text prompt, then can you not do a Hang means exactly what it means. The machines just go dead!!! No input from the keyboard accepted. Only thing to do is a hard reboot. Got tons of Dell Optiplex 7XX, had that exact problem. Solution is two-step: 1. Flash up the bios. The ones they're shipped with suck bigtime. 2. Add the kernel parameter reboot=bios to all kernel lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst Solved it for us. -BT Ugh, I was having the same problem with my 745. So, I drug out a USB floppy and applied the latest BIOS -- going from 2.3.1 to 2.6.2 from Dell. Whoops. Starting up looks fine, all services showed OK. Gets to local, X starts and the box freezes at the spinning dots with a frozen mouse. Can't break with Ctrl-Alt-Del or Ctrl-Backspace. Hard power, restart, interactive init. Allow all, but skip local. X starts fine. rc.local contains: #!/bin/sh # # This script will be executed *after* all the other init scripts. # You can put your own initialization stuff in here if you don't # want to do the full Sys V style init stuff. touch /var/lock/subsys/local Reset BIOS to defaults for kicks, no change. I have a PCI Express graphics card, ATI x1300 installed. Any ideas? I guess I can revert BIOS one by one backward to see if it works. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
