Re: Maple on Fedora - beware updates today

2009-03-24 Thread Mike Cloaked



David Liguori wrote:
 
 
 This has been my experience as well.  Maple and Matlab both ostensibly 
 can be installed on Linux but in practice it's difficult or impossible.  
 I tried years ago, gave up and run them both in Windows.  Open source 
 substitutes sometimes do what I need and sometimes not.  If I have time 
 I play with them.  In principle I like Linux and open source, but am by 
 no means ideological about it.
 
 

Beware - after today's updates including Fedora 10 Update:
java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-11.b14.fc10  it appears that Maple 12 which was
running fine in F10 for me is now broken - I am not sure if this java update
is the culprit but some other applications are also not working any more -
eg Okular

I now have some key applications no longer working  -  and not very happy!
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Re: Maple on Fedora - beware updates today - I was wrong - it is fine!

2009-03-24 Thread Mike Cloaked



Mike Cloaked wrote:
 
 
 Beware - after today's updates including Fedora 10 Update:
 java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-11.b14.fc10  it appears that Maple 12 which was
 running fine in F10 for me is now broken - I am not sure if this java
 update is the culprit but some other applications are also not working any
 more - eg Okular
 
 I now have some key applications no longer working  -  and not very happy!
 

It turned out that this failure was nothing to do with any updated packages
today - but was due to changing the graphics card and monitor - which in
turn caused .gconf and/or .gconfd to get messed up.  Moving these two
directories to new names and restarting gnome gave a fully working
application again.

Apologies for the report - and hope it did not cause any excessive worries.
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Re: Maple on Fedora - beware updates today - I was wrong - it is fine!

2009-03-24 Thread Dave Feustel
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 08:58:09AM -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote:
 
 
 
 Mike Cloaked wrote:
  
  
  Beware - after today's updates including Fedora 10 Update:
  java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-11.b14.fc10  it appears that Maple 12 which was
  running fine in F10 for me is now broken - I am not sure if this java
  update is the culprit but some other applications are also not working any
  more - eg Okular
  
  I now have some key applications no longer working  -  and not very happy!
  
 
 It turned out that this failure was nothing to do with any updated packages
 today - but was due to changing the graphics card and monitor - which in
 turn caused .gconf and/or .gconfd to get messed up.  Moving these two
 directories to new names and restarting gnome gave a fully working
 application again.
 
 Apologies for the report - and hope it did not cause any excessive worries.

It worried me, but I went ahead and ordered Maple 12 anyway.

Damn the torpedoes! Full Speed Ahead!

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Re: Maple on Fedora - beware updates today - I was wrong - it is fine!

2009-03-24 Thread Mike Cloaked



dfeustel wrote:
 
 
 Apologies for the report - and hope it did not cause any excessive
 worries.
 
 It worried me, but I went ahead and ordered Maple 12 anyway.
 
 Damn the torpedoes! Full Speed Ahead!
 
 

There are always defensive options available!
I run Maple 12 32bit and no Compiz and no desktop effects  and I run
this on several machines with no problems. Good luck.
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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-23 Thread David Liguori



D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:

| From: Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru

| Maple is not open source (free). It was main argument for me to choose another
| symbolic arithmetic program - maxima ( maxima.sourceforge.net ). It's
| brilliant.

My daughter bought Mathmatica for a project perhaps five years ago.
She ran it on RHL9 or something like it.  Anyway, she would have to
relicence it to move it to a newer distro release or machine so she still
runs it on the same ancient machine.

If she had bought it for Windows XP, it would have had a much longer
lifetime.

Lesson: proprietary licensing models work even worse on open platforms
because open platform have a tradition of binary obsolescence.

Perhaps Maplesoft has a better upgrade model than Wolfram.

The only symbolic algebra package I ever bought was muMATH for the
z80: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MuMATH
I never got it to work due to its kind of copy protection.  There's
a theme here.

PARI/GP worked well for my modest needs but it would not work for
yours.

  
This has been my experience as well.  Maple and Matlab both ostensibly 
can be installed on Linux but in practice it's difficult or impossible.  
I tried years ago, gave up and run them both in Windows.  Open source 
substitutes sometimes do what I need and sometimes not.  If I have time 
I play with them.  In principle I like Linux and open source, but am by 
no means ideological about it.


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RE: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-23 Thread Smith, Herb
I have used Mathematica on Fedora for a number of years.  I have found
that if I contact Mathematica and explain that I have updated my OS and
need a new password for the new configuration, that I get what I need
with no problem.  

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Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:23 AM
To: D. Hugh Redelmeier; Community assistance, encouragement,and advice
for using Fedora.
Subject: Re: Maple on Fedora



D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
 | From: Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru

 | Maple is not open source (free). It was main argument for me to 
 | choose another symbolic arithmetic program - maxima ( 
 | maxima.sourceforge.net ). It's brilliant.

 My daughter bought Mathmatica for a project perhaps five years ago.
 She ran it on RHL9 or something like it.  Anyway, she would have to 
 relicence it to move it to a newer distro release or machine so she 
 still runs it on the same ancient machine.

 If she had bought it for Windows XP, it would have had a much longer 
 lifetime.

 Lesson: proprietary licensing models work even worse on open platforms

 because open platform have a tradition of binary obsolescence.

 Perhaps Maplesoft has a better upgrade model than Wolfram.

 The only symbolic algebra package I ever bought was muMATH for the
 z80: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MuMATH
 I never got it to work due to its kind of copy protection.  There's a 
 theme here.

 PARI/GP worked well for my modest needs but it would not work for 
 yours.

   
This has been my experience as well.  Maple and Matlab both ostensibly
can be installed on Linux but in practice it's difficult or impossible.

I tried years ago, gave up and run them both in Windows.  Open source
substitutes sometimes do what I need and sometimes not.  If I have time
I play with them.  In principle I like Linux and open source, but am by
no means ideological about it.

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RE: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-23 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier
| From: Smith, Herb herb.sm...@boeing.com

| I have used Mathematica on Fedora for a number of years.  I have found
| that if I contact Mathematica and explain that I have updated my OS and
| need a new password for the new configuration, that I get what I need
| with no problem.  

Good to hear.

Perhaps I should include more details.

The version my daughter has is no longer supported.  In fact, it
wasn't even supported when she got a new computer about two years
after her initial purchase.

Since some system libraries were statically linked into the program,
it was not possible to run the binary that she had on a then-current
Fedora.

Since that version of Mathematica was no longer supported, she could
not get that version linked with newer libraries.

There was no upgrade path for Mathematica versions.  She had an
inexpensive student license and would need to buy it all over again
(she was and is still a student).  Perhaps a full-priced license has
a discounted upgrade path.

She only uses Mathematica once in a blue moon.  I would guess that she
would use it more if she had it at hand.  But she doesn't feel that
her usage would justify relicensing.  Besides, she feels that that
would be an invitation for the same thing to happen again.

Perhaps we were misinformed about Wolfram's policy but we got it from
conversations with their support folks.

Anyway, the take-away is that binary licenses don't always mix well
with open platforms due to those platforms' quick evolution.  This is
especially true of Fedora as opposed to, say, *BSD or RHEL/CentOS.

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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-22 Thread Clint Dilks

Dave Feustel wrote:

Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
Any comments?

Thanks.

  
It can be made to run but you have to do some minor hacking of the 
installer binaries.  I have only tried it for Fedora core 6.  So the new 
Fedora might be different.  From my notes



This is the hack that is required to get the installer to work on Fedora 
Core 6 which means you have to copy the content of the cd to the Hard 
Drive then install from there.


cat UnixInstaller.bin.bak | sed s/export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL/#xport 
LD_ASSUME_KERNEL/   UnixInstaller.bin


I hope this helps :)


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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-22 Thread Dave Feustel
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 09:37:04AM +1300, Clint Dilks wrote:
 Dave Feustel wrote:
 Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
 Any comments?

 Thanks.

   
 It can be made to run but you have to do some minor hacking of the  
 installer binaries.  I have only tried it for Fedora core 6.  So the new  
 Fedora might be different.  From my notes


 This is the hack that is required to get the installer to work on Fedora  
 Core 6 which means you have to copy the content of the cd to the Hard  
 Drive then install from there.
I have experience cdrom install failures before, specifically with MKS
Toolkit and a couple of other cdroms. I got them to install by copying
the cdroms to hard disk and installing from the hard disk as you did.

I don't understand what the following lines are for. 

 cat UnixInstaller.bin.bak | sed s/export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL/#xport  
 LD_ASSUME_KERNEL/   UnixInstaller.bin

 I hope this helps :)

Is the Maple installer OS-specific or is Maple in rpm format?

Thanks.

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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-22 Thread Mike Cloaked



dfeustel wrote:
 
 On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 09:37:04AM +1300, Clint Dilks wrote:
 Dave Feustel wrote:
 Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
 Any comments?

 Thanks.

   
 It can be made to run but you have to do some minor hacking of the  
 installer binaries.  I have only tried it for Fedora core 6.  So the new  
 Fedora might be different.  From my notes


 This is the hack that is required to get the installer to work on Fedora  
 Core 6 which means you have to copy the content of the cd to the Hard  
 Drive then install from there.
 I have experience cdrom install failures before, specifically with MKS
 Toolkit and a couple of other cdroms. I got them to install by copying
 the cdroms to hard disk and installing from the hard disk as you did.
 
 I don't understand what the following lines are for. 
 
 cat UnixInstaller.bin.bak | sed s/export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL/#xport  
 LD_ASSUME_KERNEL/   UnixInstaller.bin

 I hope this helps :)
 
 Is the Maple installer OS-specific or is Maple in rpm format?
 
 

If you are talking about installing Maple 12 in Fedora 10 then you do not
need any hacks or changes of any kind - just run the CD direct and it will
install without any fuzz or bother - any hacks needed for ancient now
obsolete versions of Fedora do not apply to Fedora 10 with Maple 12. It just
works out of the box (or out of the CD) !
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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-22 Thread Dave Feustel
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 02:10:33PM -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote:
 
 
 
 dfeustel wrote:
  
  On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 09:37:04AM +1300, Clint Dilks wrote:
  Dave Feustel wrote:
  Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
  Any comments?
 
  Thanks.
 

  It can be made to run but you have to do some minor hacking of the  
  installer binaries.  I have only tried it for Fedora core 6.  So the new  
  Fedora might be different.  From my notes
 
 
  This is the hack that is required to get the installer to work on Fedora  
  Core 6 which means you have to copy the content of the cd to the Hard  
  Drive then install from there.
  I have experience cdrom install failures before, specifically with MKS
  Toolkit and a couple of other cdroms. I got them to install by copying
  the cdroms to hard disk and installing from the hard disk as you did.
  
  I don't understand what the following lines are for. 
  
  cat UnixInstaller.bin.bak | sed s/export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL/#xport  
  LD_ASSUME_KERNEL/   UnixInstaller.bin
 
  I hope this helps :)
  
  Is the Maple installer OS-specific or is Maple in rpm format?
  
  
 
 If you are talking about installing Maple 12 in Fedora 10 then you do not
 need any hacks or changes of any kind - just run the CD direct and it will
 install without any fuzz or bother - any hacks needed for ancient now
 obsolete versions of Fedora do not apply to Fedora 10 with Maple 12. It just
 works out of the box (or out of the CD) !

I'm still running Fedora 9. 

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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-22 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 14:10 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote:
 

 If you are talking about installing Maple 12 in Fedora 10 then you do not
 need any hacks or changes of any kind - just run the CD direct and it will
 install without any fuzz or bother - any hacks needed for ancient now
 obsolete versions of Fedora do not apply to Fedora 10 with Maple 12. It just
 works out of the box (or out of the CD) !

Modulo the fact that some windows (in the help system, at least) show up
blank with Compiz and 64-bit Maple...  32-bit Maple and Compiz seems
fine, and 64-bit Maple without Compiz seems fine, IIRC.
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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-21 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier
| From: Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru

| Maple is not open source (free). It was main argument for me to choose another
| symbolic arithmetic program - maxima ( maxima.sourceforge.net ). It's
| brilliant.

My daughter bought Mathmatica for a project perhaps five years ago.
She ran it on RHL9 or something like it.  Anyway, she would have to
relicence it to move it to a newer distro release or machine so she still
runs it on the same ancient machine.

If she had bought it for Windows XP, it would have had a much longer
lifetime.

Lesson: proprietary licensing models work even worse on open platforms
because open platform have a tradition of binary obsolescence.

Perhaps Maplesoft has a better upgrade model than Wolfram.

The only symbolic algebra package I ever bought was muMATH for the
z80: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MuMATH
I never got it to work due to its kind of copy protection.  There's
a theme here.

PARI/GP worked well for my modest needs but it would not work for
yours.

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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-20 Thread Patrick Dupre

On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Dave Feustel wrote:


Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
Any comments?

Thanks.



I used to use maple on Fedora episodically for a while. I did not
experience any problem. Maybe one time when installing.

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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 03:21:31PM +, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Dave Feustel wrote:

 Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
 Any comments?

 Thanks.


 I used to use maple on Fedora episodically for a while. I did not
 experience any problem. Maybe one time when installing.

Why did you cease using Maple? Did your need for the computational
capability disapear or did you switch to another symbolic math program?

Thanks.

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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-20 Thread Theodore Papadopoulo

Dave Feustel wrote:

Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
Any comments?

Thanks.

  

I use it regularly though mostly the console program.
This work without any troubles.
Occasionnally I use the graphical interface, I do not like it...

Theo.

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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 06:50:47PM +0100, Theodore Papadopoulo wrote:
 Dave Feustel wrote:
 Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
 Any comments?

 Thanks.

   
 I use it regularly though mostly the console program.
 This work without any troubles.
 Occasionnally I use the graphical interface, I do not like it...

 Theo.

Is the graphical interface too slow or does it have some other
problem(s)?

Thanks.

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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-20 Thread Mike Cloaked



dfeustel wrote:
 
 Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
 Any comments?
 
 

I have been using Maple in Fedora for some years from the old v9.5 days and
before - install used to occasionally have issues, and Maple 11 in F9 needed
some tricks with editing some config files associated with java to get it to
work.  

However Maple 12 installs rapidly and efficiently in Maple 12.  Many of the
problems associated with Maple 11 have been fixed in Maple 12, and this
version works faster and cleaner in F10 than any previous linux version.

I also know that the Mathematica app will install in Linux but I have been
too lazy to try it out especially since Maple 12 works so well in F10. By
the way I teach using Maple so I do need to have it working - and I can
recommend it.
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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:21:51PM -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote:
 
 
 
 dfeustel wrote:
  
  Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
  Any comments?
  
  
 
 I have been using Maple in Fedora for some years from the old v9.5 days and
 before - install used to occasionally have issues, and Maple 11 in F9 needed
 some tricks with editing some config files associated with java to get it to
 work.  
 
 However Maple 12 installs rapidly and efficiently in Maple 12.  Many of the
 problems associated with Maple 11 have been fixed in Maple 12, and this
 version works faster and cleaner in F10 than any previous linux version.
 
 I also know that the Mathematica app will install in Linux but I have been
 too lazy to try it out especially since Maple 12 works so well in F10. By
 the way I teach using Maple so I do need to have it working - and I can
 recommend it.

Thanks for the comments. I am about to order Maple 12 and I'm trying to
decide between 32/64-bit implementations on either F9 or Suse 11. My
initial purpose in getting Maple is to be able to do symbolic 
tensor/differential
geometry calculations in general relativity as documented at aias.us.

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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-20 Thread Hiisi

Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
Any comments?

Thanks.



Maple is not open source (free). It was main argument for me to choose 
another symbolic arithmetic program - maxima ( maxima.sourceforge.net ). 
It's brilliant.

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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-20 Thread Mike Cloaked



dfeustel wrote:
 
 
 I have been using Maple in Fedora for some years from the old v9.5 days
 and
 before - install used to occasionally have issues, and Maple 11 in F9
 needed
 some tricks with editing some config files associated with java to get it
 to
 work.  
 
 However Maple 12 installs rapidly and efficiently in Maple 12.  Many of
 the
 problems associated with Maple 11 have been fixed in Maple 12, and this
 version works faster and cleaner in F10 than any previous linux version.
 
 I also know that the Mathematica app will install in Linux but I have
 been
 too lazy to try it out especially since Maple 12 works so well in F10. By
 the way I teach using Maple so I do need to have it working - and I can
 recommend it.
 
 Thanks for the comments. I am about to order Maple 12 and I'm trying to
 decide between 32/64-bit implementations on either F9 or Suse 11. My
 initial purpose in getting Maple is to be able to do symbolic
 tensor/differential
 geometry calculations in general relativity as documented at aias.us.
 
 

Yes Maple 12 does have a quite sophisticated tensor package and can do
calculations of the tensor calculus needed for GR. In fact there is an
example worksheet on the Maplesoft website that you can have a look at as an
html file that will give you some idea of its capabilities.

However discussion of this should perhaps not be extended on this forum as
Maple as someone else has pointed out is not Open Source - however it will
likely suit your needs rather well.
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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:41:17PM +0300, Hiisi wrote:
 Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
 Any comments?

 Thanks.


 Maple is not open source (free). It was main argument for me to choose  
 another symbolic arithmetic program - maxima ( maxima.sourceforge.net ).  
 It's brilliant.
 --
 Hiisi.

I have Maxima, but no hard copy manual. I am looking for a company to
publish the manual as a book to make it easier to read.

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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-20 Thread Todd Denniston

Dave Feustel wrote, On 03/20/2009 04:47 PM:

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:41:17PM +0300, Hiisi wrote:

Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
Any comments?

Thanks.

Maple is not open source (free). It was main argument for me to choose  
another symbolic arithmetic program - maxima ( maxima.sourceforge.net ).  
It's brilliant.

--
Hiisi.


I have Maxima, but no hard copy manual. I am looking for a company to
publish the manual as a book to make it easier to read.



Is the Maxima documentation in PDF, or do you know how to get it into that 
state?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=printing.services++pdfbtnG=Search
http://fedex.com/us/office/copyprint/copy/digital_printing.html?lid=Learnmore_printcopyfinish_digitalprinting
http://www.rushprintingservices.com/
http://www.printrunner.com/
...

I am not saying it's cheap, just available.


Also had you noticed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_computer_algebra_systems
...wow, it's been a while since I looked for these things, I did not realize 
there were so many open source ones.


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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-20 Thread Mike Cloaked



Todd Denniston wrote:
 
 
 Is the Maxima documentation in PDF, or do you know how to get it into that
 state?
 http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=printing.services++pdfbtnG=Search
 http://fedex.com/us/office/copyprint/copy/digital_printing.html?lid=Learnmore_printcopyfinish_digitalprinting
 http://www.rushprintingservices.com/
 http://www.printrunner.com/
 
 

There are some pdf files at
http://www.math.psu.edu/glasner/Max_doc/index.html
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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-20 Thread Alan Cox
 I have Maxima, but no hard copy manual. I am looking for a company to
 publish the manual as a book to make it easier to read.

Assuming the license lets you do it or you have permission take a look at
lulu.com which will do short run print on demand stuff. It's Bob Young's
next project after he handed over the reins at Red Hat

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Re: Maple on Fedora

2009-03-20 Thread Dave Feustel
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 05:26:01PM -0400, Todd Denniston wrote:
 Dave Feustel wrote, On 03/20/2009 04:47 PM:
 On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:41:17PM +0300, Hiisi wrote:
 Has anyone experience using Maple on Fedora?
 Any comments?

 Thanks.

 Maple is not open source (free). It was main argument for me to 
 choose  another symbolic arithmetic program - maxima ( 
 maxima.sourceforge.net ).  It's brilliant.
 --
 Hiisi.

 I have Maxima, but no hard copy manual. I am looking for a company to
 publish the manual as a book to make it easier to read.


 Is the Maxima documentation in PDF, or do you know how to get it into that 
 state?

The entire 870 page manual is available as pdf in several languages at
the maxima website.

http://maxima.sourceforge.net/docs/manual/en/maxima.pdf

 http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=printing.services++pdfbtnG=Search
 http://fedex.com/us/office/copyprint/copy/digital_printing.html?lid=Learnmore_printcopyfinish_digitalprinting
 http://www.rushprintingservices.com/
 http://www.printrunner.com/
 ...

 I am not saying it's cheap, just available.


 Also had you noticed:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_computer_algebra_systems
 ...wow, it's been a while since I looked for these things, I did not 
 realize there were so many open source ones.

 -- 
 Todd Denniston
 Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane)
 Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

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