Re: Update Problems
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 17:31 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:23:48PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:34 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 02:38:36PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:39 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: Running F9, the administrative - update option no longer works. When I click for details, I get the message cannot update whilst offline. I have network access. How do I make updates think that it is online? Also, what is the difference between running the console command yum update and doing an update via the administrative desktop? Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? Well 1.is not worth understanding since I meant upper right in the panel. But both 1. and 2. are ways to tell if you are using NetworkManager. If you configure your network using an xterm you ar eprobbably not using NM. Thanks. As far as I can tell, I'm not using network manager. How can I be sure? If NM is running but not managing the interface, it thinks you aren't connected even when you are, and some Gnome apps believe it (Evolution is one and I'm guessing PackageKit is another). yum doesn't pay any attention to this, so it's not affected. -- === The whole world is a scab. The point is to pick it constructively. -- Peter Beard === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- === Don't be overly suspicious where it's not warranted. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:01 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? If you have a /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid file, then NetworkManager is running. That's probably the most reliable way. If you're in a GUI, look around in the taskbars and see if there's an icon that looks like two computers, one in front of the other. Right click on it and select About from the drop-down menu. If the About box says NetworkManager Applet, then NetworkManager is running. If it says Network Monitor then NetworkManager is NOT running. The problem is that the icon for the NetworkManager applet and the one for Network Monitor are damned near identical. It's caught me by surprise before. Except I am running NM and About in the icon you mention says Network Monitor. Network Monitor has nothing to do with whether you are running NM. -- === Once you've tried to change the world you find it's a whole bunch easier to change your mind. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 08:41 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? Well 1.is not worth understanding since I meant upper right in the panel. But both 1. and 2. are ways to tell if you are using NetworkManager. If you configure your network using an xterm you ar eprobbably not using NM. I suspect the problem may be that he's doing both without realizing it. NM notoriously does not play well with others. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:39 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: Running F9, the administrative - update option no longer works. When I click for details, I get the message cannot update whilst offline. I have network access. How do I make updates think that it is online? Also, what is the difference between running the console command yum update and doing an update via the administrative desktop? Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? If NM is running but not managing the interface, it thinks you aren't connected even when you are, and some Gnome apps believe it (Evolution is one and I'm guessing PackageKit is another). yum doesn't pay any attention to this, so it's not affected. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 02:38:36PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:39 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: Running F9, the administrative - update option no longer works. When I click for details, I get the message cannot update whilst offline. I have network access. How do I make updates think that it is online? Also, what is the difference between running the console command yum update and doing an update via the administrative desktop? Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? As far as I can tell, I'm not using network manager. How can I be sure? If NM is running but not managing the interface, it thinks you aren't connected even when you are, and some Gnome apps believe it (Evolution is one and I'm guessing PackageKit is another). yum doesn't pay any attention to this, so it's not affected. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:34 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 02:38:36PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:39 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: Running F9, the administrative - update option no longer works. When I click for details, I get the message cannot update whilst offline. I have network access. How do I make updates think that it is online? Also, what is the difference between running the console command yum update and doing an update via the administrative desktop? Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns As far as I can tell, I'm not using network manager. How can I be sure? If NM is running but not managing the interface, it thinks you aren't connected even when you are, and some Gnome apps believe it (Evolution is one and I'm guessing PackageKit is another). yum doesn't pay any attention to this, so it's not affected. -- === The whole world is a scab. The point is to pick it constructively. -- Peter Beard === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:23:48PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:34 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 02:38:36PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:39 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: Running F9, the administrative - update option no longer works. When I click for details, I get the message cannot update whilst offline. I have network access. How do I make updates think that it is online? Also, what is the difference between running the console command yum update and doing an update via the administrative desktop? Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? Thanks. As far as I can tell, I'm not using network manager. How can I be sure? If NM is running but not managing the interface, it thinks you aren't connected even when you are, and some Gnome apps believe it (Evolution is one and I'm guessing PackageKit is another). yum doesn't pay any attention to this, so it's not affected. -- === The whole world is a scab. The point is to pick it constructively. -- Peter Beard === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
Dave Feustel wrote: Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? If you have a /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid file, then NetworkManager is running. That's probably the most reliable way. If you're in a GUI, look around in the taskbars and see if there's an icon that looks like two computers, one in front of the other. Right click on it and select About from the drop-down menu. If the About box says NetworkManager Applet, then NetworkManager is running. If it says Network Monitor then NetworkManager is NOT running. The problem is that the icon for the NetworkManager applet and the one for Network Monitor are damned near identical. It's caught me by surprise before. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - The problem with being poor is that it takes up all of your time - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:01:29PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? If you have a /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid file, then NetworkManager is running. That's probably the most reliable way. If you're in a GUI, look around in the taskbars and see if there's an icon that looks like two computers, one in front of the other. Right click on it and select About from the drop-down menu. If the About box says NetworkManager Applet, then NetworkManager is running. If it says Network Monitor then NetworkManager is NOT running. The problem is that the icon for the NetworkManager applet and the one for Network Monitor are damned near identical. It's caught me by surprise before. Thanks for this. I actually understand it! There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put the mouse cursor over it, displays the message no network connection. As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 18:32 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put the mouse cursor over it, displays the message no network connection. As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. Sounds like you need to right-click on the icon and configure it. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
Dave Feustel wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:01:29PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? If you have a /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid file, then NetworkManager is running. That's probably the most reliable way. If you're in a GUI, look around in the taskbars and see if there's an icon that looks like two computers, one in front of the other. Right click on it and select About from the drop-down menu. If the About box says NetworkManager Applet, then NetworkManager is running. If it says Network Monitor then NetworkManager is NOT running. The problem is that the icon for the NetworkManager applet and the one for Network Monitor are damned near identical. It's caught me by surprise before. Thanks for this. I actually understand it! Good! :-) There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put the mouse cursor over it, displays the message no network connection. As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. Well, we still don't know if it's NetworkManager (NM for short) or if you're using ye ol' network stuff. My guess is it's NM (the About will tell you). If it's NM, then make sure Enable Networking is checkmarked (right click on icon). If it isn't then NM won't try to manage the network and that may be where you're having issues. If it's not checked, right click on the NM applet icon and left-click on the Enable Networking option. Then wait a few seconds to see if it fires up. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Microsoft is a cross between The Borg and the Ferengi. - - Unfortunately they use Borg to do their marketing and Ferengi to - - do their programming. -- Simon Slavin - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:08:19PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 03:01:29PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: Are you using Network Manager, and if so is NM managing your interface? 1. Is there a nm-applet in the upper panel on the left? 2. Check what:chkconfig --list |grep NetworkManager returns I don't understand either point 1 or point 2; I do almost everything via the command line in xterm. Could you elaborate? If you have a /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid file, then NetworkManager is running. That's probably the most reliable way. If you're in a GUI, look around in the taskbars and see if there's an icon that looks like two computers, one in front of the other. Right click on it and select About from the drop-down menu. If the About box says NetworkManager Applet, then NetworkManager is running. If it says Network Monitor then NetworkManager is NOT running. The problem is that the icon for the NetworkManager applet and the one for Network Monitor are damned near identical. It's caught me by surprise before. Thanks for this. I actually understand it! Good! :-) There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put the mouse cursor over it, displays the message no network connection. As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. Well, we still don't know if it's NetworkManager (NM for short) or if you're using ye ol' network stuff. My guess is it's NM (the About will tell you). Clicking 'about' generates a popup identifying NM as Applet 0.7.0. If it's NM, then make sure Enable Networking is checkmarked (right click on icon). If it isn't then NM won't try to manage the network and that may be where you're having issues. If it's not checked, right click on the NM applet icon and left-click on the Enable Networking option. Then wait a few seconds to see if it fires up. Clicking on enable networking produced an immediate 'Network disconnected' message. Then left-clicking produced a bunch of lines that listed a series of network devices (5) that had been disconnected. All the text is greyed out. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 05:28:19PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: I rarely use NM myself as it has some, uhm, issues if you have a complex network configuration as I do. Thanks for this info, which I will apply to my system tomorrow when I am fresh. My system cosists of an OpenBSD firewall connecting 2 Linux computers and one laptop running OpenBSD via dhcpd to my isp via dhcp. I had been thinking about getting another AMD box to run FreeBSD, but now I am thinking about waiting until 2010 to get an Intel box that executes AVX instructions. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 20:02 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 06:22:07PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 18:32 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put the mouse cursor over it, displays the message no network connection. As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. Sounds like you need to right-click on the icon and configure it. poc Thanks for this tip! I right clicked on the icon and then clicked on 'configure network'. I immediately got the message Disconnected The network connection has been disconnected. Then left clicking on the icon generates a long message saying that each device (named) has been disconnected. All that text is grayed out. Where is the Documentation for Network Manager? There's a website but no useful end-user docs that I've ever seen. The man page says it's supposed to Just Work (tm). I haven't had trouble with it once I decided it knew what it was doing better than I did and just got out of the way, but other people haven't had so much luck. One thing you need to be sure of: do not ever attempt to use NM and the older network stuff (system-config-network etc.) at the same time. You said earlier that you were using dhclient, which could be interfering (NM does this on its own). Run serviceconf as root and make sure NetworkManager is enabled and network is *disabled*. Rebooting would probably be a good idea too, though in theory the Stop button on network should be enough. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Update Problems
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:39:59PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 20:02 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 06:22:07PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 18:32 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: There is an icon on the upper panel next to the date which, when I put the mouse cursor over it, displays the message no network connection. As I mentioned in a previous post, the system stopped connecting at boot, and I got internet connectivity by executing dhclient. Obviously, that command by itself does not properly set network connectivity and I have not figured out yet how to fix the broken step in bootup. Sounds like you need to right-click on the icon and configure it. poc Thanks for this tip! I right clicked on the icon and then clicked on 'configure network'. I immediately got the message Disconnected The network connection has been disconnected. Then left clicking on the icon generates a long message saying that each device (named) has been disconnected. All that text is grayed out. Where is the Documentation for Network Manager? There's a website but no useful end-user docs that I've ever seen. The man page says it's supposed to Just Work (tm). I haven't had trouble with it once I decided it knew what it was doing better than I did and just got out of the way, but other people haven't had so much luck. I have been running F9 and SUSE 11 for about 2 months now. Prior to that I had been running OpenBSD and FreeBSD. I had no knowledge whatsoever about Linux networking when the F9 stopped working at bootup one day. Then I began searching for the network initialization code and found that Linux seems to be quite different from *BSD. So when I couldn't figure out what needed to be fixed, I just tried running dhclient as I do in *BSD. Voila! Ping, etc worked again. It seems however, that there are consequences from not fixing the network problem properly, whatever that problem is. One thing you need to be sure of: do not ever attempt to use NM and the older network stuff (system-config-network etc.) at the same time. You said earlier that you were using dhclient, which could be interfering (NM does this on its own). Run serviceconf as root and make sure NetworkManager is enabled and network is *disabled*. Rebooting would probably be a good idea too, though in theory the Stop button on network should be enough. Thanks again for the above info. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
