Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Yoram Halberstam wrote: > Errr... yeah I did, then what? It says it don't work though one guy suggest > unloading the module instead of removing it Keep in mind that most people make suggestions based on their own experiences, which are very different from you by virtue of having different hardware configs. > The choice for me is simple, vbox works without KVM - I don't try to fight > the system... I'm too novice for that! :) We've all been there. A long march starts with the first step... ;-) > Seriously, do I really loose out by not having KVM? What does KVM do? > This is a good place to learn more about KVM. http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page Consider joining the fedora-virt list. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-virt This things take time to learn. Learn your hardware specs and don't be discouraged to try and fail. That's how it goes. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
Yoram Halberstam wrote: > Seriously, do I really loose out by not having KVM? What does KVM do? It's an alternative to VirtualBox which is supported by the upstream kernel without third-party modules and which just works in Fedora without installing any third-party stuff. And it's completely Free Software, whereas VirtualBox has 2 editions, one which is Free Software (the Open Source Edition (OSE)) and another one which isn't. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
Yoram Halberstam wrote: > because when I do have KVM I can't start virtual box... Because when you use KVM, you use KVM, not VirtualBox. They are 2 completely different solutions to virtualization. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
Errr... yeah I did, then what? It says it don't work though one guy suggest unloading the module instead of removing it The choice for me is simple, vbox works without KVM - I don't try to fight the system... I'm too novice for that! :) Seriously, do I really loose out by not having KVM? What does KVM do? 2009/6/9 Aldo Foot > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Yoram > Halberstam wrote: > > because when I do have KVM I can't start virtual box... > > > Do an eSearch with "KVM VBox conflict" to learn of possible issues > when using KVM and VBox simultaneously. > > ~af > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- Yoram Halberstam Computer Services Provider MSN: netfe...@hotmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Yoram Halberstam wrote: > because when I do have KVM I can't start virtual box... Do an eSearch with "KVM VBox conflict" to learn of possible issues when using KVM and VBox simultaneously. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
because when I do have KVM I can't start virtual box...
error:
Failed to start the virtual machine Kids.
VirtualBox can't operate in VMX root mode. Please disable the KVM kernel
extension, recompile your kernel and reboot (VERR_VMX_IN_VMX_ROOT_MODE).
Result Code:
NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005)
Component:
Console
Interface:
IConsole {9511bc54-15ee-4ddf-808e-472aba03809c}
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Do you think I should?
2009/6/9 Kevin Kofler
> Yoram Halberstam wrote:
> > The easiest way to do it is to install the package from sun site with PAE
> > header and uninstall KVM...
>
> Why not just use KVM? It's the solution Fedora provides and recommends.
>
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Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
Yoram Halberstam wrote: > The easiest way to do it is to install the package from sun site with PAE > header and uninstall KVM... Why not just use KVM? It's the solution Fedora provides and recommends. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
Yoram Halberstam wrote: > error: Failed dependencies: > kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE >= 2.1.4-2.fc10.4 is > needed by kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686 You're supposed to set up the RPM Fusion repository as documented on the web page, then use yum install, not use rpm -ivh directly. The hint you got to use akmod instead wasn't a good one, all it means is that the module will be rebuilt from source for your current kernel on your machine instead of just using the binary already built in RPM Fusion, it doesn't change the above at all. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
I like your enthusiasm, guys, but it's not that easy... what was this "can't create COM object" msg when I installed from RPMFusion?! The easiest way to do it is to install the package from sun site with PAE header and uninstall KVM... 2009/6/9 Jussi Lehtola > On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 15:52 -0700, Mike Wright wrote: > > I just installed VirtualBox onto an f10 system and was amazed at how > > easily/completely it was done, including setting up the user and > > appropriate devices. > > Yup, > > 1. Make sure rpmfusion repos are installed on system > 2. If you have PAE kernel, install kernel headers > # yum -y install kernel-PAE-devel > 3. Install VirtualBox with > # yum -y install VirtualBox-OSE > 4. Reboot or > run > # service akmods restart > to build kernel module and > # modprobe vboxdrv > to load it > > 5. Run Virtualbox by > $ VirtualBox > -- > Jussi Lehtola > Fedora Project Contributor > jussileht...@fedoraproject.org > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- Yoram Halberstam Computer Services Provider MSN: netfe...@hotmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 15:52 -0700, Mike Wright wrote: > I just installed VirtualBox onto an f10 system and was amazed at how > easily/completely it was done, including setting up the user and > appropriate devices. Yup, 1. Make sure rpmfusion repos are installed on system 2. If you have PAE kernel, install kernel headers # yum -y install kernel-PAE-devel 3. Install VirtualBox with # yum -y install VirtualBox-OSE 4. Reboot or run # service akmods restart to build kernel module and # modprobe vboxdrv to load it 5. Run Virtualbox by $ VirtualBox -- Jussi Lehtola Fedora Project Contributor jussileht...@fedoraproject.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
On 6/8/2009 6:52 PM, Mike Wright wrote: > Yoram Halberstam wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've tried, unsucessfully, to install Sun Virtual Box on my FC10. It's >> a bit >> of a funny install where you have to install the package and then >> compile it >> for your system... Very well, I'm not a Linux expert so I suspect it >> has to >> do with virtualization in the kernel. > > Hello, Yoram, > > I just installed VirtualBox onto an f10 system and was amazed at how > easily/completely it was done, including setting up the user and > appropriate devices. > > I can't speak to any special requirements you may have, but for me it > went without a hitch. > > Straight from the horse's mouth: > > http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads > > There are fedora installs for 7 through 11. > > The user manual is in .pdf; section 2.3 covers Linux installs. > > Sun is to be credited for a job well done. Sun bought the 'work-in-progress' already done by others. Sun could be credited with a cash influx I guess. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
"I just installed VirtualBox onto an f10 system and was amazed at how easily/completely it was done, including setting up the user and appropriate devices." lucky you! Guess the PAE kernel and my kvm stuff got in the way :) 2009/6/8 Mike Wright > Yoram Halberstam wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've tried, unsucessfully, to install Sun Virtual Box on my FC10. It's a >> bit >> of a funny install where you have to install the package and then compile >> it >> for your system... Very well, I'm not a Linux expert so I suspect it has >> to >> do with virtualization in the kernel. >> > > Hello, Yoram, > > I just installed VirtualBox onto an f10 system and was amazed at how > easily/completely it was done, including setting up the user and appropriate > devices. > > I can't speak to any special requirements you may have, but for me it went > without a hitch. > > Straight from the horse's mouth: > >http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads > > There are fedora installs for 7 through 11. > > The user manual is in .pdf; section 2.3 covers Linux installs. > > Sun is to be credited for a job well done. > > :m) > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- Yoram Halberstam Computer Services Provider MSN: netfe...@hotmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
Yoram Halberstam wrote: Hi, I've tried, unsucessfully, to install Sun Virtual Box on my FC10. It's a bit of a funny install where you have to install the package and then compile it for your system... Very well, I'm not a Linux expert so I suspect it has to do with virtualization in the kernel. Hello, Yoram, I just installed VirtualBox onto an f10 system and was amazed at how easily/completely it was done, including setting up the user and appropriate devices. I can't speak to any special requirements you may have, but for me it went without a hitch. Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads There are fedora installs for 7 through 11. The user manual is in .pdf; section 2.3 covers Linux installs. Sun is to be credited for a job well done. :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
> Ok, if I need to go back to square one (the 4th email of this chain)... I > compiled the stuff and then I had > > Failed to start the virtual machine Kids. > > VirtualBox can't operate in VMX root mode. Please disable the KVM kernel > extension, recompile your kernel and reboot (VERR_VMX_IN_VMX_ROOT_MODE). What its trying to tell you in a wonderfully user intutitive manner is "Another virtual machine is loaded and you can only have one hypervisor at a time using the CPU hardware assist" Or in even plainer English "Hey you don't need virtualbox, the stuff supplied with Fedora will just work" > How do I compile my kernel without this KVM kernel extension and what is the > side effects of doing so? It ought to be sufficient to "rmmod kvm" I suspect, however firing up the virtual machine manager and creating a new virtual machine via kvm should also "just work" -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
2009/6/8 Yoram Halberstam : > it says: > > vboxdrv 93896 0 > > Ok, if I need to go back to square one (the 4th email of this chain)... I > compiled the stuff and then I had > > Failed to start the virtual machine Kids. > > VirtualBox can't operate in VMX root mode. Please disable the KVM kernel > extension, recompile your kernel and reboot (VERR_VMX_IN_VMX_ROOT_MODE). I don't know what that means, but I believe removing kvm is as simple as: "yum remove kvm" -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
it says:
vboxdrv93896 0
Ok, if I need to go back to square one (the 4th email of this chain)... I
compiled the stuff and then I had
Failed to start the virtual machine Kids.
VirtualBox can't operate in VMX root mode. Please disable the KVM kernel
extension, recompile your kernel and reboot (VERR_VMX_IN_VMX_ROOT_MODE).
Result Code:
NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005)
Component:
Console
Interface:
IConsole {9511bc54-15ee-4ddf-808e-472aba03809c}
How do I compile my kernel without this KVM kernel extension and what is the
side effects of doing so?
Cheers
2009/6/8 Sharpe, Sam J
>
> 2009/6/8 Yoram Halberstam :
> > yum install akmod-VirtualBox-OSE works... well, it installs all the
> packages
> > and when I reboot does stuff.
> >
> > Running VirtualBox I had an error message, so I tried as root and got the
> > following
> >
> >
> >
> > WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no
> module
> > available for the current kernel
> (2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.i686.PAE)
> > or it failed to
> > load. Reboot the computer, or insert the kernel module by
> executing
> >
> >'/sbin/modprobe vboxdrv' (as root)
> >
> > You will not be able to start VMs until this problem is fixed.
> > Qt WARNING: QGtkStyle cannot be used together with the GTK_Qt engine.
> > Qt WARNING: Qt: Session management error: None of the authentication
> > protocols specified are supported
> >
> >
> >
> > I ran /sbin/modprobe vboxdrv with no error...
> >
> > when I run VirtualBox from commandline or from the icon I get an error
> > screen
> >
> > ---
> > Caption:
> >
> > Failed to create the VirtualBox COM Object
> >
> > The application will now terminate
> >
> > Could not load the settings file
> '/home/yoram/.VirtualBox/VirtualBox.xml'.
> >
> > Cannot convert settings from version '1.7-linux'.
> >
> > The source version is not supported.
> >
> > Result Code:
> >
> > VBOX_E_XML_ERROR (0x80BB000A)
> >
> > Component:
> >
> > VirtualBox
> >
> > Interface:
> >
> > IVirtualBox {339abca2-f47a-4302-87f5-7bc324e6bbde}
> >
> > -
> >
> > Same thing with or without root.
> >
> > What's the deal?
>
> Alas, while I can help you with sensible suggestions for installing
> VirtualBox - I've never used it so I can't comment on anything the
> application spits out...
>
> Just one question - what does "/sbin/lsmod | grep vboxdrv" say? (this
> is just to check that the VirtualBox kernel module *is* actually
> loaded - that's about as far as I can go)
>
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Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
2009/6/8 Yoram Halberstam :
> yum install akmod-VirtualBox-OSE works... well, it installs all the packages
> and when I reboot does stuff.
>
> Running VirtualBox I had an error message, so I tried as root and got the
> following
>
>
>
> WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module
> available for the current kernel (2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.i686.PAE)
> or it failed to
> load. Reboot the computer, or insert the kernel module by executing
>
> '/sbin/modprobe vboxdrv' (as root)
>
> You will not be able to start VMs until this problem is fixed.
> Qt WARNING: QGtkStyle cannot be used together with the GTK_Qt engine.
> Qt WARNING: Qt: Session management error: None of the authentication
> protocols specified are supported
>
>
>
> I ran /sbin/modprobe vboxdrv with no error...
>
> when I run VirtualBox from commandline or from the icon I get an error
> screen
>
> ---
> Caption:
>
> Failed to create the VirtualBox COM Object
>
> The application will now terminate
>
> Could not load the settings file '/home/yoram/.VirtualBox/VirtualBox.xml'.
>
> Cannot convert settings from version '1.7-linux'.
>
> The source version is not supported.
>
> Result Code:
>
> VBOX_E_XML_ERROR (0x80BB000A)
>
> Component:
>
> VirtualBox
>
> Interface:
>
> IVirtualBox {339abca2-f47a-4302-87f5-7bc324e6bbde}
>
> -
>
> Same thing with or without root.
>
> What's the deal?
Alas, while I can help you with sensible suggestions for installing
VirtualBox - I've never used it so I can't comment on anything the
application spits out...
Just one question - what does "/sbin/lsmod | grep vboxdrv" say? (this
is just to check that the VirtualBox kernel module *is* actually
loaded - that's about as far as I can go)
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Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
yum install akmod-VirtualBox-OSE works... well, it installs all the packages
and when I reboot does stuff.
Running VirtualBox I had an error message, so I tried as root and got the
following
WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module
available for the current kernel (2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.i686.PAE)
or it failed to
load. Reboot the computer, or insert the kernel module by executing
'/sbin/modprobe vboxdrv' (as root)
You will not be able to start VMs until this problem is fixed.
Qt WARNING: QGtkStyle cannot be used together with the GTK_Qt engine.
Qt WARNING: Qt: Session management error: None of the authentication
protocols specified are supported
I ran /sbin/modprobe vboxdrv with no error...
when I run VirtualBox from commandline or from the icon I get an error
screen
---
Caption:
Failed to create the VirtualBox COM Object
The application will now terminate
Could not load the settings file '/home/yoram/.VirtualBox/VirtualBox.xml'.
Cannot convert settings from version '1.7-linux'.
The source version is not supported.
Result Code:
VBOX_E_XML_ERROR (0x80BB000A)
Component:
VirtualBox
Interface:
IVirtualBox {339abca2-f47a-4302-87f5-7bc324e6bbde}
-
Same thing with or without root.
What's the deal?
Thanks
2009/6/8 Sharpe, Sam J
>
> 2009/6/8 Yoram Halberstam :
> > ok, was missing akmods and other bits. I did yum install akmods (woo-oo
> I'm
> > getting the hang of linux) and got a whole bunch of stuff with it...
> >
> >
> >
> > rpm -ivh /home/yoram/Download/akmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.1.4-2.fc10.i686.rpm
> >
> > error: Failed dependencies:
> > VirtualBox-OSE-kmod-common >= 2.1.4 is needed by
> > akmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.1.4-2.fc10.i686
> > VirtualBox-OSE-kmodsrc = 2.1.4 is needed by
> > akmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.1.4-2.fc10.i686
>
> The latter is
> http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/10/i386/VirtualBox-OSE-kmodsrc-2.1.4-4.fc10.i386.rpm
> The former, I have no idea.
>
> Have you tried simply "yum --enable-repo=* install
> akmod-VirtualBox-OSE" ?? That should let Yum do all the depency
> resolution for you...
>
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Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
2009/6/8 Yoram Halberstam : > ok, was missing akmods and other bits. I did yum install akmods (woo-oo I'm > getting the hang of linux) and got a whole bunch of stuff with it... > > > > rpm -ivh /home/yoram/Download/akmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.1.4-2.fc10.i686.rpm > > error: Failed dependencies: > VirtualBox-OSE-kmod-common >= 2.1.4 is needed by > akmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.1.4-2.fc10.i686 > VirtualBox-OSE-kmodsrc = 2.1.4 is needed by > akmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.1.4-2.fc10.i686 The latter is http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/10/i386/VirtualBox-OSE-kmodsrc-2.1.4-4.fc10.i386.rpm The former, I have no idea. Have you tried simply "yum --enable-repo=* install akmod-VirtualBox-OSE" ?? That should let Yum do all the depency resolution for you... -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
ok, was missing akmods and other bits. I did yum install akmods (woo-oo I'm getting the hang of linux) and got a whole bunch of stuff with it... rpm -ivh /home/yoram/Download/akmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.1.4-2.fc10.i686.rpm error: Failed dependencies: VirtualBox-OSE-kmod-common >= 2.1.4 is needed by akmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.1.4-2.fc10.i686 VirtualBox-OSE-kmodsrc = 2.1.4 is needed by akmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.1.4-2.fc10.i686 What next? PS: I tried to google "VirtualBox-OSE-kmod-common" without success 2009/6/8 Sharpe, Sam J > > 2009/6/8 Yoram Halberstam : > > Ok guys, > > > > You'll have to excuse my inexperience, I'm pulling my hairs. > > > > I uninstalled the rpm package (the one where I have to run the setup and > had > > kvm problem). I've tried to find the RPMFusion for PAE. I found > > > > > http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/testing/10/i386/repoview/kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-PAE.html > > > > > > rpm -iv kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686.rpm > > > > error: Failed dependencies: > > kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE >= 2.1.4-2.fc10.4 is > > needed by kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686 > > > > > > So I ran > > > > -- > > > > rpm -ivh > > kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686.rpm > > > > error: Failed dependencies: > > VirtualBox-OSE-kmod-common >= 2.1.4 is needed by > > kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686 > > kernel-uname-r = 2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE is needed by > > kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686 > > > > - > > Try installing > http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/testing/10/i386/akmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.1.4-2.fc10.i686.rpm > instead of kmod-VirtualBox. When you reboot, the akmod will build > kmod-Virtualbox for you against your running kernel. > > HTH, > > -- > Sam > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- Yoram Halberstam Computer Services Provider MSN: netfe...@hotmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
2009/6/8 Yoram Halberstam : > Ok guys, > > You'll have to excuse my inexperience, I'm pulling my hairs. > > I uninstalled the rpm package (the one where I have to run the setup and had > kvm problem). I've tried to find the RPMFusion for PAE. I found > > http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/testing/10/i386/repoview/kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-PAE.html > > > rpm -iv kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686.rpm > > error: Failed dependencies: > kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE >= 2.1.4-2.fc10.4 is > needed by kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686 > > > So I ran > > -- > > rpm -ivh > kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686.rpm > > error: Failed dependencies: > VirtualBox-OSE-kmod-common >= 2.1.4 is needed by > kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686 > kernel-uname-r = 2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE is needed by > kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686 > > - Try installing http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/testing/10/i386/akmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.1.4-2.fc10.i686.rpm instead of kmod-VirtualBox. When you reboot, the akmod will build kmod-Virtualbox for you against your running kernel. HTH, -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
Ok guys, You'll have to excuse my inexperience, I'm pulling my hairs. I uninstalled the rpm package (the one where I have to run the setup and had kvm problem). I've tried to find the RPMFusion for PAE. I found http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/testing/10/i386/repoview/kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-PAE.html rpm -iv kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686.rpm error: Failed dependencies: kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE >= 2.1.4-2.fc10.4 is needed by kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686 So I ran -- rpm -ivh kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686.rpm error: Failed dependencies: VirtualBox-OSE-kmod-common >= 2.1.4 is needed by kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686 kernel-uname-r = 2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE is needed by kmod-VirtualBox-OSE-2.6.29.4-75.fc10.i686.PAE-2.1.4-2.fc10.4.i686 - Don't work but a uname -a returns Linux desktop.lan 2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.i686.PAE #1 SMP Wed May 20 22:58:30 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux note .27 (my kernel) and it is waiting for .29 (rpm) So, is there out there a virtualbox compiled for my kernel. If not, what's the best solution? That I recompile my kernel with the kvm thingy off? Wait for FC11? anything else? Thanks 2009/6/8 Kevin Kofler > Yoram Halberstam wrote: > > Jussi: I've tried this one... installing > > > http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/10/x86_64/repoview/kmod-VirtualBox-OSE.htmlbut > > it didn't work. > > There too, you need the PAE one. > >Kevin Kofler > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- Yoram Halberstam Computer Services Provider MSN: netfe...@hotmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
Yoram Halberstam wrote: > Jussi: I've tried this one... installing > http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/10/x86_64/repoview/kmod-VirtualBox-OSE.htmlbut > it didn't work. There too, you need the PAE one. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
Jussi: I've tried this one... installing
http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/10/x86_64/repoview/kmod-VirtualBox-OSE.htmlbut
it didn't work.
Kevin: I can compile now and install the "hard disk" from the GUI but when I
run it it says:
--
Failed to start the virtual machine Kids.
VirtualBox can't operate in VMX root mode. Please disable the KVM kernel
extension, recompile your kernel and reboot (VERR_VMX_IN_VMX_ROOT_MODE).
Result Code:
NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005)
Component:
Console
Interface:
IConsole {9511bc54-15ee-4ddf-808e-472aba03809c}
Any ideas of next step?
Thanks guys
2009/6/8 Jussi Lehtola
> On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 00:55 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > Yoram Halberstam wrote:
> > > vboxdrv: version magic '2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.i686 SMP mod_unload 686
> > > 4KSTACKS ' should be '2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.i686.PAE SMP mod_unload
> 686
> > > 4KSTACKS '
>
> Also, if you use the package in RPMFusion you don't need to bother with
> compiling kernel modules at all.
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Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 00:55 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Yoram Halberstam wrote: > > vboxdrv: version magic '2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.i686 SMP mod_unload 686 > > 4KSTACKS ' should be '2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.i686.PAE SMP mod_unload 686 > > 4KSTACKS ' Also, if you use the package in RPMFusion you don't need to bother with compiling kernel modules at all. -- Jussi Lehtola Fedora Project Contributor jussileht...@fedoraproject.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
Yoram Halberstam wrote: > vboxdrv: version magic '2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.i686 SMP mod_unload 686 > 4KSTACKS ' should be '2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.i686.PAE SMP mod_unload 686 > 4KSTACKS ' You need kernel-PAE-devel, not kernel-devel. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 16:08 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > >> Beware VirtualBox and USB access. It's flaky at best. I tried using >> an >> XP guest in VirtualBox to access an iTouch device and it "kinda" >> worked >> but would often throw usb errors which would stop my sync between >> iTunes >> and the iTouch. >> > > I second that. Although I like VBox (for a while there it would run on > the latest kernels when VMware wouldn't) I've never got it to work with > my iPod, Palm or Nokia E65. I enable the appropriate USB paths, but the > devices simply don't appear in the virtual XP machine. > > poc > > I had that same issue for awhile until I added the line: none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=503,devmode=664 0 0 to my /etc/fstab file and then made sure my username was in the group #503. Once I did that and bounced the box I could at least "see" the USB devices. After that flakiness lived on but otherwise Kevin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 16:08 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > Beware VirtualBox and USB access. It's flaky at best. I tried using > an > XP guest in VirtualBox to access an iTouch device and it "kinda" > worked > but would often throw usb errors which would stop my sync between > iTunes > and the iTouch. I second that. Although I like VBox (for a while there it would run on the latest kernels when VMware wouldn't) I've never got it to work with my iPod, Palm or Nokia E65. I enable the appropriate USB paths, but the devices simply don't appear in the virtual XP machine. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Bill Davidsen wrote: > However, once the install is done, it isn't all that bad to use for simple > stuff, and even 50x slower is fast enough to see if things work. It was a > proof of concept, a friend did a Yellow Dog Linux install on the power > emulation. It's fast enough to compile a program 64 bit if needed, that > was the goal. If you're really patient, it is, but waiting 8 hours for TiEmu to build was a PITA. ;-) As I said, I've done that for the x86_64 packages on repo.calcforge.org before I got this nice 64-bit laptop I can build my x86_64 packages on, it was really annoying. And Qt and KDE would probably take days if not weeks to build in QEMU software emulation. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Kevin Kofler wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Slower, but it does work. I installed the 64bit FC10 in a virtual machine on a 32 bit system That's actually pure software emulation, not kqemu. You can't accelerate a 64-bit VM on a 32-bit host at all, not with kqemu nor with anything else. And pure software emulation is extremely slow (about 50 times slower than native when building packages, from my experience). As I said, slower. ;-) However, once the install is done, it isn't all that bad to use for simple stuff, and even 50x slower is fast enough to see if things work. It was a proof of concept, a friend did a Yellow Dog Linux install on the power emulation. It's fast enough to compile a program 64 bit if needed, that was the goal. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Bill Davidsen wrote: > Slower, but it does work. I installed the 64bit FC10 in a virtual machine > on a 32 bit system That's actually pure software emulation, not kqemu. You can't accelerate a 64-bit VM on a 32-bit host at all, not with kqemu nor with anything else. And pure software emulation is extremely slow (about 50 times slower than native when building packages, from my experience). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Bill Davidsen wrote: > Mike Cloaked wrote: >> >> >> Kevin Kofler wrote: > >>> That said, AFAIK kqemu doesn't perform anywhere near as well as KVM, >>> also >>> because kernel code is still emulated entirely in software (there's an >>> experimental -kernel-kqemu option which tries to use kqemu also for >>> kernel-space code, but all I ever got out of that option is VM >>> crashes). >>> >>> >> >> Thanks Kevin >> >> The machine I wanted to use to try things out does not have KVM support >> which is why I asked but it seems just possible that a VM might work >> with qemu/kqemu even without kvm though I will have to just try it >> and see >> what happens - and although slower than kvm maybe it would not so bad >> that >> it is unusable. On the machine in question I am happy to play and if it >> does not work then it is not a major loss - but worth learning on! > > Slower, but it does work. I installed the 64bit FC10 in a virtual > machine on a 32 bit system, and while it was a bit "leisurely" during > the install, it did finish and will boot. I'm looking forward to FC11 > and a 64bit kernel on a 32bit install. Best of both worlds. > Beware VirtualBox and USB access. It's flaky at best. I tried using an XP guest in VirtualBox to access an iTouch device and it "kinda" worked but would often throw usb errors which would stop my sync between iTunes and the iTouch. Kevin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Mike Cloaked wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: That said, AFAIK kqemu doesn't perform anywhere near as well as KVM, also because kernel code is still emulated entirely in software (there's an experimental -kernel-kqemu option which tries to use kqemu also for kernel-space code, but all I ever got out of that option is VM crashes). Thanks Kevin The machine I wanted to use to try things out does not have KVM support which is why I asked but it seems just possible that a VM might work with qemu/kqemu even without kvm though I will have to just try it and see what happens - and although slower than kvm maybe it would not so bad that it is unusable. On the machine in question I am happy to play and if it does not work then it is not a major loss - but worth learning on! Slower, but it does work. I installed the 64bit FC10 in a virtual machine on a 32 bit system, and while it was a bit "leisurely" during the install, it did finish and will boot. I'm looking forward to FC11 and a 64bit kernel on a 32bit install. Best of both worlds. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Paul W. Frields wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 05:14:55PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:32:23 -0700 Aldo Foot wrote: I think VirtualBox may be preferred because it appears more manageable in the surface. A friend at work who uses it says it is vastly easier to do things like pass USB devices through to the virtual hardware with VirtualBox than with anything else he has tried, so he can do things like use Windows scanner software for scanners not supported by anything in linux. I agree, USB devices are easier to pass through to VirtualBox -- however, I'm testing Rawhide on my personal machine starting this weekend, which is very close to F11 Beta right now. I'll try to let the list know what improvements I see in USB device connections to the guest. Got a link to the problems people had? I only tried a direct connection to USB once, as they say "for educational purposes only," but it seemed to work just fine. So fine, in fact, that I am tempted to access some hardware using an XP in VM rather than fighting ndiswrapper. However, I would expect KVM to be the most efficient VM, just because of direct kernel support. Note, I haven't benchmarked that in any way. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Just ignore what I was asking. Very stupid question. El día 22 de marzo de 2009 21:58, Martín Marqués escribió: > 2009/3/22 Andras Simon : >> On 3/22/09, Martín Marqués wrote: >> >>> OK, here I'm finding some problems with KVM. I have a AMD Athlon X2 64 >>> but kvm module doesn't load: >>> >>> # grep -c svm /proc/cpuinfo >>> 2 >>> # modprobe kvm-amd >>> FATAL: Error inserting kvm_amd >>> (/lib/modules/2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.x86_64/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko): >>> Operation not supported >>> >>> Now, why is that? I have support for kvm-amd but the module fails to come >>> up. >>> >>> Any ideas? >> >> You may have to enable virtualization in bios. > > Thanks. That was it. > > But, why can't I see KVM in virt-manager when I try to add a new > connect? I can only add new qemu and xen connections. > > -- > Martín Marqués > select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' > DBA, Programador, Administrador > -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
2009/3/22 Andras Simon : > On 3/22/09, Martín Marqués wrote: > >> OK, here I'm finding some problems with KVM. I have a AMD Athlon X2 64 >> but kvm module doesn't load: >> >> # grep -c svm /proc/cpuinfo >> 2 >> # modprobe kvm-amd >> FATAL: Error inserting kvm_amd >> (/lib/modules/2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.x86_64/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko): >> Operation not supported >> >> Now, why is that? I have support for kvm-amd but the module fails to come >> up. >> >> Any ideas? > > You may have to enable virtualization in bios. Thanks. That was it. But, why can't I see KVM in virt-manager when I try to add a new connect? I can only add new qemu and xen connections. -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
On 3/22/09, Martín Marqués wrote: > OK, here I'm finding some problems with KVM. I have a AMD Athlon X2 64 > but kvm module doesn't load: > > # grep -c svm /proc/cpuinfo > 2 > # modprobe kvm-amd > FATAL: Error inserting kvm_amd > (/lib/modules/2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.x86_64/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko): > Operation not supported > > Now, why is that? I have support for kvm-amd but the module fails to come > up. > > Any ideas? You may have to enable virtualization in bios. Andras -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
2009/3/21 Kevin Kofler : > Mike Cloaked wrote: >> However the box I wanted to try this on does not have the hardware >> virtualisation flags that are the first test in the documentation for >> running KVM. The question I am unclear about is whether KVM can still be >> used but give very slow performance, or does not having the "vmx" flag >> mean you can't use KVM at all? > > Well, you can use QEMU and it will be extremely slow. I think the qemu-kvm > binary will fallback to software QEMU emulation if KVM is not supported. OK, here I'm finding some problems with KVM. I have a AMD Athlon X2 64 but kvm module doesn't load: # grep -c svm /proc/cpuinfo 2 # modprobe kvm-amd FATAL: Error inserting kvm_amd (/lib/modules/2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.x86_64/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko): Operation not supported Now, why is that? I have support for kvm-amd but the module fails to come up. Any ideas? -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Well, you can use QEMU and it will be extremely slow. I think the qemu-kvm > binary will fallback to software QEMU emulation if KVM is not supported. > > One thing you can use to speed it up a bit in kmod-kqemu which you can > found > in the RPM Fusion repository, in the Free section (it got GPLed some time > ago, so it's in the Free section, but Fedora won't carry it because it's > not in the upstream kernel). It's a hack to run some of the code on the > native hardware without needing hardware virtualization. That said, I'm > not > sure whether virt-manager will fire up the correct qemu binary and with > the > correct options to use kqemu. If you run the regular qemu binary (not > qemu-kvm) with no option, it will pick up kqemu. > > That said, AFAIK kqemu doesn't perform anywhere near as well as KVM, also > because kernel code is still emulated entirely in software (there's an > experimental -kernel-kqemu option which tries to use kqemu also for > kernel-space code, but all I ever got out of that option is VM crashes). > > Thanks Kevin The machine I wanted to use to try things out does not have KVM support which is why I asked but it seems just possible that a VM might work with qemu/kqemu even without kvm though I will have to just try it and see what happens - and although slower than kvm maybe it would not so bad that it is unusable. On the machine in question I am happy to play and if it does not work then it is not a major loss - but worth learning on! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Virtual-Box-tp22626076p22650241.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Mike Cloaked wrote: > However the box I wanted to try this on does not have the hardware > virtualisation flags that are the first test in the documentation for > running KVM. The question I am unclear about is whether KVM can still be > used but give very slow performance, or does not having the "vmx" flag > mean you can't use KVM at all? Well, you can use QEMU and it will be extremely slow. I think the qemu-kvm binary will fallback to software QEMU emulation if KVM is not supported. One thing you can use to speed it up a bit in kmod-kqemu which you can found in the RPM Fusion repository, in the Free section (it got GPLed some time ago, so it's in the Free section, but Fedora won't carry it because it's not in the upstream kernel). It's a hack to run some of the code on the native hardware without needing hardware virtualization. That said, I'm not sure whether virt-manager will fire up the correct qemu binary and with the correct options to use kqemu. If you run the regular qemu binary (not qemu-kvm) with no option, it will pick up kqemu. That said, AFAIK kqemu doesn't perform anywhere near as well as KVM, also because kernel code is still emulated entirely in software (there's an experimental -kernel-kqemu option which tries to use kqemu also for kernel-space code, but all I ever got out of that option is VM crashes). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Mike Burger wrote: > Tom Horsley wrote: >> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:32:23 -0700 >> Aldo Foot wrote: >> >> >>> I think VirtualBox may be preferred because it appears more >>> manageable in the surface. >>> >> >> A friend at work who uses it says it is vastly easier to >> do things like pass USB devices through to the virtual hardware >> with VirtualBox than with anything else he has tried, >> so he can do things like use Windows scanner software for >> scanners not supported by anything in linux. >> >> > I have to agree...at this point, I simply installed the VirtualBox RPM, > ran the setup, started up VirtualBox, and voila!!! > I have stuck with VB (after trying kvm) because the interface (mouse, video) on VB work much better. Using kvm (through qemu) lacks a lot in terms of interface. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Aldo Foot wrote: > > >> su -c 'chcon -t virt_image_t /path/to/some-os-image.iso' > > > That's just how I do it. I've installed a WinXp VM in my F10 box. > KVM and QEMU work just fine. > I think VirtualBox may be preferred because it appears more > manageable in the surface. > > I have been following this thread with some interest as I wanted to try out KVM to use for both alpha or beta Fedora images, and also to run an XP VM so that some applications that won't work outside of MS can still be used. However the box I wanted to try this on does not have the hardware virtualisation flags that are the first test in the documentation for running KVM. The question I am unclear about is whether KVM can still be used but give very slow performance, or does not having the "vmx" flag mean you can't use KVM at all? Does anyone have a pointer to a step by step guide for running a VM in F10? (not VirtualBox) -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Virtual-Box-tp22626076p22634446.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
On 3/20/09, Aldo Foot wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Andras Simon wrote: >> On 3/20/09, Aldo Foot wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Andras Simon wrote: On 3/20/09, Paul W. Frields wrote: > To install from a CD or DVD ISO image that you have on your hard disk, > make sure you set its SELinux context properly: > > su -c 'chcon -t virt_image_t /path/to/some-os-image.iso' Is this really needed? Last time I installed an OS in a VM (both KVM and VMWare) I didn't need any SELinux magic. But that was almost two years ago, maybe things have changed since. Andras >>> __ >>> >>> I believe it's need if you put the ISOs and system images in a place >>> other than /var/lib/libvirt --I think that's the correct path. >> >> Well, I certainly put it elsewhere. Actually, it wouldn't occur to me >> to put _anything_ under /var. >> >> Andras > > > Exactly. And that's why SELinux needs to know where you put those images. In that case this has changed since the summer of 07. Andras -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Andras Simon wrote: > On 3/20/09, Aldo Foot wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Andras Simon wrote: >>> On 3/20/09, Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> To install from a CD or DVD ISO image that you have on your hard disk, make sure you set its SELinux context properly: su -c 'chcon -t virt_image_t /path/to/some-os-image.iso' >>> >>> Is this really needed? Last time I installed an OS in a VM (both KVM >>> and VMWare) I didn't need any SELinux magic. But that was almost two >>> years ago, maybe things have changed since. >>> >>> Andras >> __ >> >> I believe it's need if you put the ISOs and system images in a place >> other than /var/lib/libvirt --I think that's the correct path. > > Well, I certainly put it elsewhere. Actually, it wouldn't occur to me > to put _anything_ under /var. > > Andras Exactly. And that's why SELinux needs to know where you put those images. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
On 3/20/09, Aldo Foot wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Andras Simon wrote: >> On 3/20/09, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >>> To install from a CD or DVD ISO image that you have on your hard disk, >>> make sure you set its SELinux context properly: >>> >>> su -c 'chcon -t virt_image_t /path/to/some-os-image.iso' >> >> Is this really needed? Last time I installed an OS in a VM (both KVM >> and VMWare) I didn't need any SELinux magic. But that was almost two >> years ago, maybe things have changed since. >> >> Andras > __ > > I believe it's need if you put the ISOs and system images in a place > other than /var/lib/libvirt --I think that's the correct path. Well, I certainly put it elsewhere. Actually, it wouldn't occur to me to put _anything_ under /var. Andras -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Andras Simon wrote: > On 3/20/09, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> To install from a CD or DVD ISO image that you have on your hard disk, >> make sure you set its SELinux context properly: >> >> su -c 'chcon -t virt_image_t /path/to/some-os-image.iso' > > Is this really needed? Last time I installed an OS in a VM (both KVM > and VMWare) I didn't need any SELinux magic. But that was almost two > years ago, maybe things have changed since. > > Andras __ I believe it's need if you put the ISOs and system images in a place other than /var/lib/libvirt --I think that's the correct path. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
On 3/20/09, Paul W. Frields wrote: > To install from a CD or DVD ISO image that you have on your hard disk, > make sure you set its SELinux context properly: > > su -c 'chcon -t virt_image_t /path/to/some-os-image.iso' Is this really needed? Last time I installed an OS in a VM (both KVM and VMWare) I didn't need any SELinux magic. But that was almost two years ago, maybe things have changed since. Andras -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 06:43:40PM -0300, Martín Marqués wrote: > 2009/3/20 Paul W. Frields : > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 03:21:24PM -0300, Martín Marqués wrote: > >> I'm trying to do some virtualization testing and I wanted to see > >> Virtual Box that everybody is talking alot about. The thing is that I > >> can't find the virtualbox packages in the fedora repository. Does it > >> have some strange name? > > > > VirtualBox is free as in free beer, but it's not entirely free as in > > free speech. Its license prohibits some use, meaning it can't be free > > software. (One of the key freedoms of free software is the freedom to > > use it for any purpose.) That's why we don't carry it in Fedora. > > Yes, but what is exactly the virtualbox-ose that Debian has in there > distribution? VirtualBox OSE is the open source edition, licensed under the GPL. That is free in both the beer and speech sense. Notably, one of the several features that VirtualBox OSE omits is the USB passthrough. In other words, unless you go with the non-free version, you're not getting any better functionality there than you would get with KVM. > >From a Debian geek that uses virtualbox I heard that the version that > comes with Debian is free software, but isn't the same version you > download from SUN. > > Is this false? VirtualBox OSE is distributed on the Sun site. Whether it's the same as what's in Debian, I don't know, but it would be odd for Debian to use a trademarked term and the same name for a package that's not the same. Given their tendency to exactitude, I'm betting Debian's virtualbox-ose *is* the same as VirtualBox OSE downloaded from Sun, but it is *not* the same as VirtualBox, which is non-free. Make sense? So hopefully people understand here that when you go with VirtualBox (*not* the OSE variety), you've just roped yourself into a non-free solution for a short-term gain. But I'll bet that, as usual, the free software folks will provide tools to get you from non-free to free later down the road. For instance, just the other day I converted a VMWare VMDK image into a flat, dd-style image using the helpful 'qemu-img' command from the qemu package. Voila! > > I'm surprised that more people don't just install the "Virtualization" > > group using yum, and use the Virtual Machine Manager (virt-manager) to > > create virtual machines. I do this all the time on my Fedora 10 box > > and it works like a charm. > > > > su -c 'yum groupinstall Virtualization ; service libvirtd start' > > I'm going to try this now. > > > Then run Applications > System Tools > Virtual Machine Manager. > > I bet this is the Gnome menu. :-D > > I'm a KDE guy. Don't worry I'll open it OK. :-) Heh, sorry -- I should have been more precise! I'm running GNOME, you're correct. :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgppvYuxmUNur.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 05:14:55PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:32:23 -0700 > Aldo Foot wrote: > > > I think VirtualBox may be preferred because it appears more > > manageable in the surface. > > A friend at work who uses it says it is vastly easier to > do things like pass USB devices through to the virtual hardware > with VirtualBox than with anything else he has tried, > so he can do things like use Windows scanner software for > scanners not supported by anything in linux. I agree, USB devices are easier to pass through to VirtualBox -- however, I'm testing Rawhide on my personal machine starting this weekend, which is very close to F11 Beta right now. I'll try to let the list know what improvements I see in USB device connections to the guest. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpKBMZ1JhOcU.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
2009/3/20 Paul W. Frields : > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 03:21:24PM -0300, Martín Marqués wrote: >> I'm trying to do some virtualization testing and I wanted to see >> Virtual Box that everybody is talking alot about. The thing is that I >> can't find the virtualbox packages in the fedora repository. Does it >> have some strange name? > > VirtualBox is free as in free beer, but it's not entirely free as in > free speech. Its license prohibits some use, meaning it can't be free > software. (One of the key freedoms of free software is the freedom to > use it for any purpose.) That's why we don't carry it in Fedora. Yes, but what is exactly the virtualbox-ose that Debian has in there distribution? >From a Debian geek that uses virtualbox I heard that the version that comes with Debian is free software, but isn't the same version you download from SUN. Is this false? > > I'm surprised that more people don't just install the "Virtualization" > group using yum, and use the Virtual Machine Manager (virt-manager) to > create virtual machines. I do this all the time on my Fedora 10 box > and it works like a charm. > > su -c 'yum groupinstall Virtualization ; service libvirtd start' I'm going to try this now. > Then run Applications > System Tools > Virtual Machine Manager. I bet this is the Gnome menu. :-D I'm a KDE guy. Don't worry I'll open it OK. :-) -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:32:23 -0700 > Aldo Foot wrote: > >> I think VirtualBox may be preferred because it appears more >> manageable in the surface. > > A friend at work who uses it says it is vastly easier to > do things like pass USB devices through to the virtual hardware > with VirtualBox than with anything else he has tried, > so he can do things like use Windows scanner software for > scanners not supported by anything in linux. ___ I'll second that hands down. That's been my experience. If you use VirtualBox for too long, you may be tempted to ignore KVM altogether, which it's better from the kernel functionality viewpoint. At least that's my understanding. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:32:23 -0700 Aldo Foot wrote: I think VirtualBox may be preferred because it appears more manageable in the surface. A friend at work who uses it says it is vastly easier to do things like pass USB devices through to the virtual hardware with VirtualBox than with anything else he has tried, so he can do things like use Windows scanner software for scanners not supported by anything in linux. I have to agree...at this point, I simply installed the VirtualBox RPM, ran the setup, started up VirtualBox, and voila!!! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:32:23 -0700 Aldo Foot wrote: > I think VirtualBox may be preferred because it appears more > manageable in the surface. A friend at work who uses it says it is vastly easier to do things like pass USB devices through to the virtual hardware with VirtualBox than with anything else he has tried, so he can do things like use Windows scanner software for scanners not supported by anything in linux. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
On Friday 20 March 2009 17:18:21 Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 03:21:24PM -0300, Martín Marqués wrote: > > I'm trying to do some virtualization testing and I wanted to see > > Virtual Box that everybody is talking alot about. The thing is that I > > can't find the virtualbox packages in the fedora repository. Does it > > have some strange name? > > VirtualBox is free as in free beer, but it's not entirely free as in > free speech. Its license prohibits some use, meaning it can't be free > software. (One of the key freedoms of free software is the freedom to > use it for any purpose.) That's why we don't carry it in Fedora. > > I'm surprised that more people don't just install the "Virtualization" > group using yum, and use the Virtual Machine Manager (virt-manager) to > create virtual machines. I do this all the time on my Fedora 10 box > and it works like a charm. > > su -c 'yum groupinstall Virtualization ; service libvirtd start' > > Then run Applications > System Tools > Virtual Machine Manager. > > To install from a CD or DVD ISO image that you have on your hard disk, > make sure you set its SELinux context properly: > > su -c 'chcon -t virt_image_t /path/to/some-os-image.iso' Thanks Paul, I have also been looking for an alternative to VirtualBox, it being non-free has been bothering me a lot! -- Armin Moradi -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
2009/3/20 Paul W. Frields : > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 03:21:24PM -0300, Martín Marqués wrote: >> I'm trying to do some virtualization testing and I wanted to see >> Virtual Box that everybody is talking alot about. The thing is that I >> can't find the virtualbox packages in the fedora repository. Does it >> have some strange name? > > VirtualBox is free as in free beer, but it's not entirely free as in > free speech. Its license prohibits some use, meaning it can't be free > software. (One of the key freedoms of free software is the freedom to > use it for any purpose.) That's why we don't carry it in Fedora. > > I'm surprised that more people don't just install the "Virtualization" > group using yum, and use the Virtual Machine Manager (virt-manager) to > create virtual machines. I do this all the time on my Fedora 10 box > and it works like a charm. > > su -c 'yum groupinstall Virtualization ; service libvirtd start' > > Then run Applications > System Tools > Virtual Machine Manager. > > To install from a CD or DVD ISO image that you have on your hard disk, > make sure you set its SELinux context properly: > > su -c 'chcon -t virt_image_t /path/to/some-os-image.iso' That's just how I do it. I've installed a WinXp VM in my F10 box. KVM and QEMU work just fine. I think VirtualBox may be preferred because it appears more manageable in the surface. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 03:21:24PM -0300, Martín Marqués wrote: > I'm trying to do some virtualization testing and I wanted to see > Virtual Box that everybody is talking alot about. The thing is that I > can't find the virtualbox packages in the fedora repository. Does it > have some strange name? VirtualBox is free as in free beer, but it's not entirely free as in free speech. Its license prohibits some use, meaning it can't be free software. (One of the key freedoms of free software is the freedom to use it for any purpose.) That's why we don't carry it in Fedora. I'm surprised that more people don't just install the "Virtualization" group using yum, and use the Virtual Machine Manager (virt-manager) to create virtual machines. I do this all the time on my Fedora 10 box and it works like a charm. su -c 'yum groupinstall Virtualization ; service libvirtd start' Then run Applications > System Tools > Virtual Machine Manager. To install from a CD or DVD ISO image that you have on your hard disk, make sure you set its SELinux context properly: su -c 'chcon -t virt_image_t /path/to/some-os-image.iso' -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgptiPkhBu7z4.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
2009/3/20 Martín Marqués > I'm trying to do some virtualization testing and I wanted to see > Virtual Box that everybody is talking alot about. The thing is that I > can't find the virtualbox packages in the fedora repository. Does it > have some strange name? > > And BTW, is there any good HowTo to get started with Virtual Box? > Look at http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads to download and http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Documentation for documentation.. The process is very well documented, and I have successfully implemented this multiple times > > -- > Martín Marqués > select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' > DBA, Programador, Administrador > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- We live in an age when pizza gets to your home before the police. - Jeff Marder -- Allan Swanepoel allanice...@gmail.com allanice@unix.net dragonmas...@linaccess.com +27 84 507 8492 Linux User #452990 Linux Machine #360914 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Grab it from Sun's site ! Also checkout www.virtualbox.org ! ASD. Martín Marqués wrote: I'm trying to do some virtualization testing and I wanted to see Virtual Box that everybody is talking alot about. The thing is that I can't find the virtualbox packages in the fedora repository. Does it have some strange name? And BTW, is there any good HowTo to get started with Virtual Box? -- Aly S.P Dharshi aly.dhar...@telus.net Got TELUS TV ? http://www.telus.com/tv or 310-MYTV -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
