Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 01:35:22 +0100 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: gdm is a big one. It now basically requires a gnome desktop to work. Perhaps we should look at pulling in kdm for Xfce. ;) Well, then you'll need at least kdelibs, probably kdebase-runtime and oxygen-icon-theme too (and all that stuff is pretty large). :-( KDM doesn't spawn an almost complete KDE desktop like GDM does with GNOME, but it does need the KDE libraries. We'd also have to split it out of kdebase-workspace for you - I don't think you want all of kdebase-workspace on the XFCE spin. ;-) yeah, likely not. I guess porting my KDM ConsoleKit patch (which now got accepted into KDE upstream, but the patch can be extracted from KDE SVN) to one of the lightweight display managers and then using that as the default would be the best approach for you in the long run. Possibly. I have seen a fair bit of noise asking for such support in slim and xdm, but don't know the status of any of those. I'll try taking a look again. Kevin Kofler kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
How about sprucing up XDM ? After reading all the very instructive comments on the tread, I ended up loading xdm, and yum installing all the different pieces from the groupinstall piecemeal and checking out to make sure no gnome stuff was slipping through. I think I got it all, and currently I am using XDM to log in. JP On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: gdm is a big one. It now basically requires a gnome desktop to work. Perhaps we should look at pulling in kdm for Xfce. ;) Well, then you'll need at least kdelibs, probably kdebase-runtime and oxygen-icon-theme too (and all that stuff is pretty large). :-( KDM doesn't spawn an almost complete KDE desktop like GDM does with GNOME, but it does need the KDE libraries. We'd also have to split it out of kdebase-workspace for you - I don't think you want all of kdebase-workspace on the XFCE spin. ;-) I guess porting my KDM ConsoleKit patch (which now got accepted into KDE upstream, but the patch can be extracted from KDE SVN) to one of the lightweight display managers and then using that as the default would be the best approach for you in the long run. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- -- /\_/\ |O O| pepeb...@gmail.com Javier Perez While the night runs toward the day... m m Pepebuho watches from his high perch. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
Kevin Fenzi wrote: gdm is a big one. It now basically requires a gnome desktop to work. Perhaps we should look at pulling in kdm for Xfce. ;) Well, then you'll need at least kdelibs, probably kdebase-runtime and oxygen-icon-theme too (and all that stuff is pretty large). :-( KDM doesn't spawn an almost complete KDE desktop like GDM does with GNOME, but it does need the KDE libraries. We'd also have to split it out of kdebase-workspace for you - I don't think you want all of kdebase-workspace on the XFCE spin. ;-) I guess porting my KDM ConsoleKit patch (which now got accepted into KDE upstream, but the patch can be extracted from KDE SVN) to one of the lightweight display managers and then using that as the default would be the best approach for you in the long run. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:00:02 +0100 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: A group in Fedora includes optional dependencies and the Xfce group includes things like GDM and NetworkManager-gnome which will pull in other dependencies. I found at least one of the offenders: xfce4-xfapplet-plugin Requires: gnome-panel which Requires: pretty much all of GNOME. (And it has to because it's a wrapper which allows using GNOME applets in XFCE.) Yep. Perhaps we should drop this from the Xfce comps group. :( In F9 GA, there was also a Requires: gnome-panel in NM-gnome, but that one got fixed in F9 updates and F10 (which also helped KDE). But none of these show up in the yum groupinstall output, so there must be another offender. gdm is a big one. It now basically requires a gnome desktop to work. Perhaps we should look at pulling in kdm for Xfce. ;) But indeed, not all the gnome-* packages are really GNOME, some are libs which are used by a lot of stuff, e.g. gnome-keyring. Packages like gnome-desktop, gnome-panel, control-center etc. are GNOME itself, it's when you're dragging these in that you have a problem. Yep. Kevin Kofler kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Javier Perez pepeb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I tried to install a pure XFCE system but I can't It looks like in order to install XFCE, I have to install also GNOME. It is so very counterproductive because my idea was to setup a small,efficient system specifically without GNOME or KDE's overhead. This is an old computer, with a Celeron processor Take a look at this, this is the result of sudo groupinstall XFCE: I'll be following this thread as I am hoping to setup a terminal server with XFCE, but if I'm pulling in all of Gnome anyways, doesn't seem as useful. - Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Javier Perez pepeb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I tried to install a pure XFCE system but I can't It looks like in order to install XFCE, I have to install also GNOME. It is so very counterproductive because my idea was to setup a small,efficient system specifically without GNOME or KDE's overhead. This is an old computer, with a Celeron processor Take a look at this, this is the result of sudo groupinstall XFCE: I'll be following this thread as I am hoping to setup a terminal server with XFCE, but if I'm pulling in all of Gnome anyways, doesn't seem as useful. another one worth looking at is LXDE with SLiM, since i've been using it on my laptop, its been great. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Fedora -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
Javier Perez wrote: Hi I tried to install a pure XFCE system but I can't It looks like in order to install XFCE, I have to install also GNOME. It is so very counterproductive because my idea was to setup a small,efficient system specifically without GNOME or KDE's overhead. This is an old computer, with a Celeron processor Take a look at this, this is the result of sudo groupinstall XFCE: A group in Fedora includes optional dependencies and the Xfce group includes things like GDM and NetworkManager-gnome which will pull in other dependencies. This won't necessary impact anything more than disk space. If you want a pure Xfce setup, you can cherry pick individual packages and do something like # yum install Thunar Terminal xfce4-panel thunar-archive-plugin thunar-volman xfdesktop xfce-utils xfce4-mailwatch-plugin xfce4-mixer Note that this will still pull things like GTK2 simply because GNOME and Xfce use the same library. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:23 AM Javier Perez wrote: Hi I tried to install a pure XFCE system but I can't It looks like in order to install XFCE, I have to install also GNOME. It is so very counterproductive because my idea was to setup a small,efficient system specifically without GNOME or KDE's overhead. This is an old computer, with a Celeron processor Take a look at this, this is the result of sudo groupinstall XFCE: A group in Fedora includes optional dependencies and the Xfce group includes things like GDM and NetworkManager-gnome which will pull in other dependencies. This won't necessary impact anything more than disk space. If you want a pure Xfce setup, you can cherry pick individual packages and do something like # yum install Thunar Terminal xfce4-panel thunar-archive-plugin thunar-volman xfdesktop xfce-utils xfce4-mailwatch-plugin xfce4-mixer Note that this will still pull things like GTK2 simply because GNOME and Xfce use the same library. I have tried this a number of times and over time, gnome elements still get pulled in. I think part of the problem may be that when a developer (who perhaps uses Gnome) builds rpms, he often puts in some unnecessary dependency. To see this, note that yum erase gnome\* (see below for my installation) will delete things like firefox which should have nothing to do with gnome but is mistakenly dependent on these gnome\* rpms, either directly or indirectly. It is not clear what anyone can do about it. I hope Rahul is right when he says that this only takes diskspace, no other resources. On the other hand, like xubuntu, I still look forward to a Fedora (using XFCE or even better, LXDE, lets say) for low-end systems. Something that would have a small footprint, but be almost as functional as a bloated Gnome or a KDE or a Windoze machine...This is where Linux's appeal is, the ability to have features available for every level, and I would hate for that to go away. Best, Trotter # yum remove gnome\* Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit Setting up Remove Process Resolving Dependencies -- Running transaction check --- Package gnome-panel.i386 0:2.24.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-panel for package: xfce4-xfapplet-plugin --- Package gnome-themes.noarch 0:2.24.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-themes for package: totem -- Processing Dependency: gnome-themes for package: fedora-icon-theme -- Processing Dependency: gnome-themes for package: rhythmbox --- Package gnome-python2-bonobo.i386 0:2.22.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-bonobo for package: system-config-network --- Package gnome-session-xsession.i386 0:2.24.3-1.fc10 set to be erased --- Package gnome-session.i386 0:2.24.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-session for package: gdm --- Package gnome-python2-gconf.i386 0:2.22.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-gconf for package: mirage -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-gconf for package: pybliographer --- Package gnome-python2.i386 0:2.22.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2 for package: setroubleshoot --- Package gnome-mime-data.noarch 0:2.18.0-3.fc10 set to be erased --- Package gnome-mount.i386 0:0.8-1.fc9 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-mount = 0.5 for package: nautilus-cd-burner --- Package gnome-python2-libegg.i386 0:2.19.1-25.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-libegg for package: quodlibet --- Package gnome-menus.i386 0:2.24.2-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: libgnome-menu.so.2 for package: control-center -- Processing Dependency: gnome-menus = 2.11.1 for package: control-center --- Package gnome-packagekit.i386 0:0.3.13-1.fc10 set to be erased --- Package gnome-vfs2-obexftp.i386 0:0.4-8.fc10 set to be erased--- Package gnome-settings-daemon.i386 0:2.24.1-7.fc10 set to be erased --- Package gnome-keyring-pam.i386 0:2.24.1-1.fc10 set to be erased --- Package gnome-python2-gnomevfs.i386 0:2.22.3-1.fc10 set to be erased --- Package gnome-python2-gnome.i386 0:2.22.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-gnome for package: policycoreutils-gui -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-gnome for package: system-config-printer --- Package gnome-python2-gtkhtml2.i386 0:2.19.1-25.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-gtkhtml2 for package: anaconda --- Package gnome-vfs2.i386 0:2.24.0-3.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: libgnomevfs-2.so.0 for package: goffice04 -- Processing Dependency: libgnomevfs-2.so.0 for package: eel2
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
Globe Trotter wrote: I have tried this a number of times and over time, gnome elements still get pulled in. Be specific and show the output of the command I have given. Xfce does have GNOME elements in it depending on what you consider part of GNOME. I think part of the problem may be that when a developer (who perhaps uses Gnome) builds rpms, he often puts in some unnecessary dependency. Can't happen this way. Every package is build under a clean chroot. GNOME developers don't build Xfce anyway. To see this, note that yum erase gnome\* (see below for my installation) will delete things like firefox which should have nothing to do with gnome but is mistakenly dependent on these gnome\ Firefox has such dependencies. Upstream either include local copies or statically builds them and it is less exposed that way but it is still there. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
I have tried this a number of times and over time, gnome elements still get pulled in. Be specific and show the output of the command I have given. Xfce does have GNOME elements in it depending on what you consider part of GNOME. Hi, All I was trying to say was that over time, gnome elements got pulled in, despite trying things like this or similar. I started with the XFCE Fedora 8 Live CD and then stripped it of gnome-related RPMS and over time, and upgrades, I still have all those gnome\* rpms which have nothing to do with gnome. I think part of the problem may be that when a developer (who perhaps uses Gnome) builds rpms, he often puts in some unnecessary dependency. Can't happen this way. Every package is build under a clean chroot. GNOME developers don't build Xfce anyway. I am not talking about Gnome developers, rather developers of packages, who seem to include some gnome dependency sometimes. As an example, the statistical package R used to depend on gnome. Now, I have been very involved with R in the past, starting from 0.1 and I know for a fact that it predated gnome and has nothing to do with gnome. More importantly, now, it suddenly does not again depend on anything to do with gnome. It all depends on what it is told to depend on when the rpm is built, from my simplified understanding. Sometimes this is unnecessary, as in the case of R, but still included in error. I don't see this problem completely going away. To see this, note that yum erase gnome\* (see below for my installation) will delete things like firefox which should have nothing to do with gnome but is mistakenly dependent on these gnome\ Firefox has such dependencies. Upstream either include local copies or statically builds them and it is less exposed that way but it is still there. I use firefox from the days of phoenix, and even contributed to the original code. I did not have gnome in those days. I wonder if it really requires gnome, either directly or indirectly. Similarly for xfce4-xfapplet-plugin, etc. Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
Globe Trotter wrote: [You need to set your mail client to wrap the lines] Hi, All I was trying to say was that over time, gnome elements got pulled in, despite trying things like this or similar. I started with the XFCE Fedora 8 Live CD and then stripped it of gnome-related RPMS and over time, and upgrades, I still have all those gnome\* rpms which have nothing to do Sorry. Can't help unless there is a specific complaint. If a specific package has unnecessary dependencies or things that can be split up, file bug reports. I am not talking about Gnome developers, rather developers of packages, who seem to include some gnome dependency sometimes. This can sometimes be split up. Again, you have to be specific to have a meaningful conversation. I use firefox from the days of phoenix, and even contributed to the original code. I did not have gnome in those days. I wonder if it really requires gnome, either directly or indirectly. Similarly for xfce4-xfapplet-plugin, etc. Yes. Read the description of the plugin. It is a wrapper around GNOME applets and yes, package dependencies change over time. So what predates which project doesn't make much of a difference to the current state of dependencies. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
Hi, All I was trying to say was that over time, gnome elements got pulled in, despite trying things like this or similar. I started with the XFCE Fedora 8 Live CD and then stripped it of gnome-related RPMS and over time, and upgrades, I still have all those gnome\* rpms which have nothing to do Sorry. Can't help unless there is a specific complaint. If a specific package has unnecessary dependencies or things that can be split up, file bug reports. So, what is the bug report filed against? The package firefox or the package gnome or whatever. I thought I provided a very specific list of dependencies as an example. I am not talking about Gnome developers, rather developers of packages, who seem to include some gnome dependency sometimes. This can sometimes be split up. Again, you have to be specific to have a meaningful conversation. Not sure what we are having a conversation about, with regard to this point. I have said what I feel *may* be happening. Perhaps I am wrong, but this is not important for the thread. I use firefox from the days of phoenix, and even contributed to the original code. I did not have gnome in those days. I wonder if it really requires gnome, either directly or indirectly. Similarly for xfce4-xfapplet-plugin, etc. Yes. Read the description of the plugin. It is a wrapper around GNOME applets and yes, package dependencies change over time. So what predates which project doesn't make much of a difference to the current state of dependencies. Of course, but sometimes, dependencies are included in error, as in the R example. Things worked exactly the same when you downloaded and installed source code without gnome, but the same F-rpm brought in gnome dependencies. Which all went away at a later date, perhaps to come back later... I was just explaining why a clean XFCE install may not be possible to keep, by my experience. T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
Globe Trotter wrote: So, what is the bug report filed against? The package firefox or the package gnome or whatever. I thought I provided a very specific list of dependencies as an example. That wasn't specific enough. You have to cut it down to a specific package instead of a big list and if there is indeed a spurious dependency, file it against the package. It is important to confirm with reqoquery and ldd instead of yum remove. If Firefox has a unnecessary dependency, then filing a bug report against it would make sense but it has to be demonstrated first. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: So, what is the bug report filed against? The package firefox or the package gnome or whatever. I really don't think you are going to be able to argue a case for removing the gnomevfs enabled filesystem support from firefox at build time. It would have to be re-engineered as a runtime option that could be provided by another package for this change to even have a chance. Compile time decisions are choices that have to be applied to all users. Unless this is engineered so that its not a compile time choice, some subset of users will be made unhappy by that choice. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
Rahul Sundaram wrote: A group in Fedora includes optional dependencies and the Xfce group includes things like GDM and NetworkManager-gnome which will pull in other dependencies. I found at least one of the offenders: xfce4-xfapplet-plugin Requires: gnome-panel which Requires: pretty much all of GNOME. (And it has to because it's a wrapper which allows using GNOME applets in XFCE.) In F9 GA, there was also a Requires: gnome-panel in NM-gnome, but that one got fixed in F9 updates and F10 (which also helped KDE). But none of these show up in the yum groupinstall output, so there must be another offender. But indeed, not all the gnome-* packages are really GNOME, some are libs which are used by a lot of stuff, e.g. gnome-keyring. Packages like gnome-desktop, gnome-panel, control-center etc. are GNOME itself, it's when you're dragging these in that you have a problem. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
Globe Trotter wrote:
I thought I provided a very specific list of dependencies as an
example.
It might be helpful if someone showed you how dependencies are
generated, because I don't think you understand. It's not accidental on
the part of the package maintainer.
$ rpm -q --requires firefox | awk '!/rpmlib/ {print $1}' | \
while read req ; do rpm -q --whatprovides $req ; done | sort | uniq
... or leave off all of the processing, rpm -q --requires firefox
In that list, you'll see gnome-vfs2. When the firefox package was
built, rpm did something very much like:
$ rpm -ql firefox | \
while read file ; do test -f $file -a -x $file ldd $file ; done \
| awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq
You'll see libgnomevfs-2.so.0 in the list. So, while you might be able
to remove the gnome desktop and applications and still have firefox, you
cannot remove gnome-vfs2, which you tried to do when you did yum
erase gnome*
Does it make sense now?
Of course, but sometimes, dependencies are included in error, as in
the R example.
R requires cairo. Since I'm not sure what release you saw this on, I
don't know if cairo depended on some gnome package or if something else
was going on.
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Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Javier Perez pepeb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I tried to install a pure XFCE system but I can't It looks like in order to install XFCE, I have to install also GNOME. It is so very counterproductive because my idea was to setup a small,efficient system specifically without GNOME or KDE's overhead. This is an old computer, with a Celeron processor Take a look at this, this is the result of sudo groupinstall XFCE: --- Dependencies Resolved === Package Arch Version Repository Size === Installing: Thunar i386 0.9.0-4.fc9 fedora 5.7 M gdm i386 1:2.24.0-12.fc10 fedora 1.1 M thunar-archive-plugini386 0.2.4-5.fc10 fedora 39 k thunar-volmani386 0.2.0-2.fc9 fedora 84 k xfce-utils i386 4.4.3-1.fc10 fedora 320 k xfce4-mailwatch-plugin i386 1.1.0-1.fc10 fedora 375 k xfce4-mixer i386 4.4.3-2.fc10 updates189 k xfce4-panel i386 4.4.3-1.fc10 fedora 505 k xfdesktopi386 4.4.2-6.fc10 fedora 2.7 M Updating: control-center-filesystemi386 1:2.24.0.1-11.fc10updates 40 k Installing for dependencies: PolicyKit-gnome i386 0.9-3.fc10fedora 123 k Terminal i386 0.2.8.3-1.fc10fedora 1.6 M at-spi i386 1.24.0-5.fc10 fedora 242 k control-center i386 1:2.24.0.1-11.fc10updates2.4 M eel2 i386 2.24.1-4.fc10 updates266 k evolution-data-serveri386 2.24.3-1.fc10 updates4.0 M exo i386 0.3.4-3.fc10 fedora 728 k fedora-gnome-theme noarch 8.0.0-7.fc10 fedora 11 k fedora-icon-themenoarch 1.0.0-4.fc10 fedora 115 k gnome-desktopi386 2.24.3-1.fc10 updates1.0 M gnome-mount i386 0.8-1.fc9 fedora 148 k gnome-panel-libs i386 2.24.3-1.fc10 updates 60 k gnome-python2i386 2.22.3-1.fc10 fedora 36 k gnome-python2-gnome i386 2.22.3-1.fc10 fedora 83 k gnome-python2-gnomevfs i386 2.22.3-1.fc10 fedora 84 k gnome-sessioni386 2.24.3-1.fc10 updates596 k gnome-settings-daemoni386 2.24.1-7.fc10 updates449 k gnome-themes noarch 2.24.3-1.fc10 updates1.6 M gnome-vfs2 i386 2.24.0-3.fc10 fedora 921 k gtk2-engines i386 2.16.1-1.fc10 fedora 313 k libbonoboui i386 2.24.0-1.fc10 fedora 372 k libcanberra-gtk2 i386 0.10-3.fc10 updates 20 k libgail-gnomei386 1.20.1-1.fc10 fedora 26 k libgnome i386 2.24.1-7.fc10 fedora 693 k libgnomeui i386 2.24.0-2.fc10 fedora 1.0 M libnotifyi386 0.4.4-12.fc10 fedora 34 k metacity i386 2.24.0-2.fc10 fedora 1.5 M notification-daemon i386 0.3.7.90-1.svn3009.fc10 fedora 49 k notification-daemon-engine-nodokai386 0.1.0-3.fc10 fedora 27 k plymouth-gdm-hooks i386
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
Javier Perez wrote: Hi I tried to install a pure XFCE system but I can't It looks like in order to install XFCE, I have to install also GNOME. It is so very counterproductive because my idea was to setup a small,efficient system specifically without GNOME or KDE's overhead. This is an old computer, with a Celeron processor Take a look at this, this is the result of sudo groupinstall XFCE: --- Dependencies Resolved [SNIP] /\_/\ |O O| pepeb...@pananet.com mailto:pepeb...@pananet.com Javier Perez While the night runs toward the day... m m Pepebuho watches from his high perch. Check the XFCE web site. Gnome is an optional dependency. You can build your own version from the sources without Gnome. I've done it before, they have a program that does the build for you, so it's easy. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
