Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
2009/3/10 Bill Crawford : > On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:13:16 Ed Greshko wrote: >> If everybody listened to somebody that told them not to buy something >> then nobody would buying anything. > > But, the same applies in reverse, and the warnings - which might apply to some > particular hardware, or software versions, more than others - are potentially > useful as guidance on what might be good to avoid ... > > And of course the warning about crying wolf applies too. The same people wheel out doom and gloom about proprietary drivers every time Nvidia especially is mentioned and it really becomes nothing more than noise. Ideally yes we'd avoid them, but I have had only minor problems with the Nvidia drivers through three generations of chipsets and if I need to report a kernel bug I can always go back to the nv driver to do it (and maybe that will solve the problem, in which case Nvidia get to hear about it). Warnings about particular hardware or software are much more useful, especially when someone has specifically asked for them. (Not that pushing hardware with open source support doesn't have its place.) -- imalone -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Kevin Kofler wrote: Robin Laing wrote: Nvidia has caused some problems but in all the years has worked close to 90% of the time. Freshrpms support is great. I just wish akmod would work as advertised on my systems. FYI, FreshRPMs merged into RPM Fusion, there are no graphics drivers in FreshRPMs anymore. Kevin Kofler Forgive me and beat me with a wet noodle. It has been FreshRPM's for years. I know that it is rpmfusion now. Just a mental block. :) It could be my 50+ mind is going. Maybe that is why I am enjoying my job better. :) -- Robin Laing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Robin Laing wrote: > Nvidia has caused some problems but in all the years has worked close to > 90% of the time. Freshrpms support is great. I just wish akmod would > work as advertised on my systems. FYI, FreshRPMs merged into RPM Fusion, there are no graphics drivers in FreshRPMs anymore. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Tim wrote: > Yeah, right... (with heavy sarcasm). Buy a laptop that you know has an > unsupported chipset in the hope that it may be useable two or three > years in the future. Don't be completely stupid. What chipset was that and when? Chances are it was actually *already* working in the current Fedora (even if the documentation you read was outdated) or at least would have been working in the next Fedora less than 6 months later. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 00:13 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > If everybody listened to somebody that told them not to buy something > then nobody would buying anything. And Windows wouldn't be as prevalent... Damn! -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Bill Crawford wrote: > On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:13:16 Ed Greshko wrote: > >> If everybody listened to somebody that told them not to buy something >> then nobody would buying anything. >> > > But, the same applies in reverse, and the warnings - which might apply to > some > particular hardware, or software versions, more than others - are potentially > useful as guidance on what might be good to avoid ... > > > I'm not sure how you go about reversing what I wrote. And I sure hope nobody took it verbatim. Maybe a :-) was needed. But, yes, the point is "guidance" and not "gospel" regardless of what camp one is in. (Good thing I looked at the headers before I sent thishit "reply" instead of "reply-all" without noticing that I somehow ended up as a Cc:) -- sticky bit has come loose mei-mei.gres...@greshko.com http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSz_koUhSg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:13:16 Ed Greshko wrote: > If everybody listened to somebody that told them not to buy something > then nobody would buying anything. But, the same applies in reverse, and the warnings - which might apply to some particular hardware, or software versions, more than others - are potentially useful as guidance on what might be good to avoid ... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 10 March 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> >>> i have to side with ed on this one -- while we may not like closed >>> source technology, nvidia has generally worked well for me when i've >>> had to deal with it. >>> >> Then why do we routinely get bug reports like (most recent one): >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487853 >> because the nvidia driver broke yet another part of KDE? And KDE is not the >> only stuff it breaks either. >> >>Kevin Kofler >> > > I'm on Kevin's side here folks. I regret it every time I load an nvidia > driver. While running nvidia drivers I have had LSN0 of the boot drive > zeroed > out 3 times in as many years, which is a most interesting recovery problem > (thanks to amanda its not permanently fatal), the last time about 10 minutes > after I had installed the newest nvidia driver and rebooted to it. > > Discovered because that drive had a partition on it I don't normally mount, > and when I tried to mount it, it wasn't there. Then fdisk said the drive had > no partition table, and a dd read of the first sector showed it as all 00's > hex. > > Nvidia's drivers tend to scribble all over memory they have no business > reading, let alone writing to. I only have one nvidia card here, and I run > it > with the vesa driver which is way faster than the nv driver in a milling > machine where IRQ response cannot tolerate any jitter or latency. > > That's fine Just be advised that your experiences are not universal and try not to frame them as such. The following statement is not "graphics vendor centric" It just seems to me that when a group of people experience a problem with "Z" they tend to dismiss or diminish the group of people that haven't experienced a problem with "Z". As one would expect, the people in pain are going to be the most vocal. The folks that don't have a problem with "Z" aren't going to guarantee a given individual won't have some problemsyet the folks that have had problems seem to want to guarantee you will have a problem. If everybody listened to somebody that told them not to buy something then nobody would buying anything. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
On Tuesday 10 March 2009, Robin Laing wrote: [...] >In regards to the ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe. I am using one now and it works >like a dream. All I had to do was update the BIOS to fix an issue with >the amount of RAM I was using. It wouldn't recognize anything over 4Gig >when I got it. Which bios image do you have installed on that board? 1502 supports my 4Gb of dram w/o any problems after this oopsen in my bootlog. [0.00] BIOS EBDA/lowmem at: 0009f000/0009f000 [0.00] Linux version 2.6.28.7 (r...@coyote.coyote.den) (gcc version 4.3.2 20081105 (Red Hat 4.3.2-7) (GCC) ) #6 SMP PREEMPT Wed M ar 4 23:08:30 EST 2009 [0.00] KERNEL supported cpus: [0.00] Intel GenuineIntel [0.00] AMD AuthenticAMD [0.00] NSC Geode by NSC [0.00] Cyrix CyrixInstead [0.00] Centaur CentaurHauls [0.00] Transmeta GenuineTMx86 [0.00] Transmeta TransmetaCPU [0.00] UMC UMC UMC UMC [0.00] BIOS-provided physical RAM map: [0.00] BIOS-e820: - 0009f000 (usable) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 0009f000 - 000a (reserved) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 0010 - dfee (usable) [0.00] BIOS-e820: dfee - dfee3000 (ACPI NVS) [0.00] BIOS-e820: dfee3000 - dfef (ACPI data) [0.00] BIOS-e820: dfef - dff0 (reserved) [0.00] BIOS-e820: f000 - f400 (reserved) [0.00] BIOS-e820: fec0 - 0001 (reserved) [0.00] BIOS-e820: 0001 - 00012000 (usable) [0.00] DMI 2.4 present. [0.00] Phoenix BIOS detected: BIOS may corrupt low RAM, working it around. [0.00] last_pfn = 0x12 max_arch_pfn = 0x100 [0.00] x86 PAT enabled: cpu 0, old 0x7040600070406, new 0x7010600070106 [0.00] [ cut here ] [0.00] WARNING: at arch/x86/kernel/cpu/mtrr/generic.c:404 generic_get_mtrr+0xea/0x120() [0.00] mtrr: your BIOS has set up an incorrect mask, fixing it up. [0.00] Modules linked in: [0.00] Pid: 0, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.28.7 #6 [0.00] Call Trace: [0.00] [] warn_slowpath+0x6f/0x90 [0.00] [] vsnprintf+0x3c0/0x7e0 [0.00] [] panic+0x15/0xee [0.00] [] pat_init+0x7c/0xa0 [0.00] [] post_set+0x1c/0x50 [0.00] [] dmi_string_nosave+0x4c/0x6d [0.00] [] up+0x11/0x40 [0.00] [] generic_get_mtrr+0xea/0x120 [0.00] [] mtrr_trim_uncached_memory+0x7d/0x374 [0.00] [] request_resource+0xa3/0x150 [0.00] [] printk+0x17/0x1f [0.00] [] e820_end_pfn+0xb5/0xd3 [0.00] [] setup_arch+0x501/0xb68 [0.00] [] release_console_sem+0x189/0x1d0 [0.00] [] reserve_early_overlap_ok+0x3f/0x47 [0.00] [] start_kernel+0x58/0x314 [0.00] ---[ end trace 4eaa2a86a8e2da22 ]--- [0.00] Scanning 0 areas for low memory corruption [0.00] modified physical RAM map: [0.00] modified: - 0001 (reserved) [0.00] modified: 0001 - 0009f000 (usable) [0.00] modified: 0009f000 - 000a (reserved) [0.00] modified: 000f - 0010 (reserved) [0.00] modified: 0010 - dfee (usable) [0.00] modified: dfee - dfee3000 (ACPI NVS) [0.00] modified: dfee3000 - dfef (ACPI data) [0.00] modified: dfef - dff0 (reserved) [0.00] modified: f000 - f400 (reserved) [0.00] modified: fec0 - 0001 (reserved) [0.00] modified: 0001 - 00012000 (usable) [0.00] kernel direct mapping tables up to 379fe000 @ 1-16000 And of course the kernel is then marked as tainted. If I install the latest 1604beta, that oopsen goes away, but so does the uptime. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Knghtbrd: Hey, perl has the power grace and elegance of a sledge hammer. (=:] <|Rain|> certainly the grace and elegance, anyway -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
On Tuesday 10 March 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: >Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> i have to side with ed on this one -- while we may not like closed >> source technology, nvidia has generally worked well for me when i've >> had to deal with it. > >Then why do we routinely get bug reports like (most recent one): >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487853 >because the nvidia driver broke yet another part of KDE? And KDE is not the >only stuff it breaks either. > >Kevin Kofler I'm on Kevin's side here folks. I regret it every time I load an nvidia driver. While running nvidia drivers I have had LSN0 of the boot drive zeroed out 3 times in as many years, which is a most interesting recovery problem (thanks to amanda its not permanently fatal), the last time about 10 minutes after I had installed the newest nvidia driver and rebooted to it. Discovered because that drive had a partition on it I don't normally mount, and when I tried to mount it, it wasn't there. Then fdisk said the drive had no partition table, and a dd read of the first sector showed it as all 00's hex. Nvidia's drivers tend to scribble all over memory they have no business reading, let alone writing to. I only have one nvidia card here, and I run it with the vesa driver which is way faster than the nv driver in a milling machine where IRQ response cannot tolerate any jitter or latency. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I used to get high on life but lately I've built up a resistance. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 09 March 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote: anyone have good/bad/indifferent experience with one of these running fedora? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220412 Robert, I have an ASUS mobo in this machine, but had I known the problems I would encounter with its broken bios, I would not have touched it for any price. As it was, I paid nearly $300 USD just for the board, an M2N-SLI Deluxe. I think the board is good, but the bios is a certified problem child. They have a newer, beta rated one on their web site, which fixes a problem in memory allocation that any linux kernel does a 1 times oops on very early in the boot sequence, but I have yet to get a 1 hour uptime out of it. If I use the one that does the oops, uptimes are weeks if I want them. And they aren't fixing it, that beta copy is now almost 3 years old according to its internal dates when unzip'd! Repeated emails, 3 now, to support have never been acknowledged either. After that, nope, not with a 50 foot borrowed pole. In general, I have been very happy with Nvidia over either Intel or ATI cards that I have run. The Intel card is supported but the graphics are problematic and it isn't just Fedora but all versions of Linux from what I have seen. ATI was a nightmare as I do need 3D (kids and games) and I just had headaches. Nvidia has caused some problems but in all the years has worked close to 90% of the time. Freshrpms support is great. I just wish akmod would work as advertised on my systems. In regards to the ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe. I am using one now and it works like a dream. All I had to do was update the BIOS to fix an issue with the amount of RAM I was using. It wouldn't recognize anything over 4Gig when I got it. The only time it gets rebooted is for kernel updates and is being used for BOINC so running at almost 100% at all times. Lately all my video issues are related to the autodetect features of xorg. I have created xorg.conf files and fixed my issues. As for this particular laptop, I cannot say but I would purchase an Nvidia based system over any other one. -- Robin Laing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Steve Searle wrote: > Around 09:58am on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 (UK time), Ed Greshko scrawled: > > >> Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >>> Robert P. J. Day wrote: >>> i have to side with ed on this one -- while we may not like closed source technology, nvidia has generally worked well for me when i've had to deal with it. >>> Then why do we routinely get bug reports like (most recent one): >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487853 because the nvidia >>> driver broke yet another part of KDE? And KDE is not the only stuff >>> it breaks either. >>> >>> >>> >> Don't know why But in the bug you site you will see... >> >> /Comment #7 From Jacek Nowosielski 2009-03-09 11:00:08 EDT/ --- >> >> In my case it is reproducable on binary NVidia and regular nv as well. >> >> >> So, I guess that bug may not be caused by the driver >> > > Wrong. It then says "I can't confirm that. Changing the driver in > xorg.conf from 'nvidia' to 'nv' wasn't enough for me, the freezing > persisted. But after completely removing the nvidia binary driver from > my system (running the installer with the '--uninstall' option), plasma > seems to be stable with the nv driver." > > It then goes on to state that the NVidia driver installs custom > libraries, overriding the default Fedora ones, even when the driver > isn't selected. > > You got me In my rush to get out of the door for a meeting I didn't fully read the bug report. Yet, I've got no problems with any of my systems running nVidia chipsets with the nVidia drivers directly from nVidia and I'm running KDE. So, while I don't dispute that others have had problems...I have not had any. Therefore, I won't discourage someone from getting a particular system based solely on the fact that it has nVidia display hardware. Frankly, only Gene has had any meaningful input -- Perfect day for scrubbing the floor and other exciting things. mei-mei.gres...@greshko.com http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSz_koUhSg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Tim wrote: >> Not always an option. When I bought my laptop, the only local choices >> (amongst several computer shops), were NVidia (with supported and >> unlisted chipsets), ATI (with chipsets known to be problems at the time, >> or no details), and Intel (with supported chipsets on appallingly low >> spec laptops, and unsupported chipsets on the laptops worth buying). Kevin Kofler: > I'd rather buy an "appallingly low spec laptop" I wouldn't. I've had my fill of slow computers, and other bad hardware. > And changes are the "unsupported chipsets" from Intel would actually have > worked just fine with current Fedora Yeah, right... (with heavy sarcasm). Buy a laptop that you know has an unsupported chipset in the hope that it may be useable two or three years in the future. Don't be completely stupid. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Around 09:58am on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 (UK time), Ed Greshko scrawled: > Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > >> i have to side with ed on this one -- while we may not like closed > >> source technology, nvidia has generally worked well for me when > >> i've had to deal with it. > > > > Then why do we routinely get bug reports like (most recent one): > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487853 because the nvidia > > driver broke yet another part of KDE? And KDE is not the only stuff > > it breaks either. > > > > > Don't know why But in the bug you site you will see... > > /Comment #7 From Jacek Nowosielski 2009-03-09 11:00:08 EDT/ --- > > In my case it is reproducable on binary NVidia and regular nv as well. > > > So, I guess that bug may not be caused by the driver Wrong. It then says "I can't confirm that. Changing the driver in xorg.conf from 'nvidia' to 'nv' wasn't enough for me, the freezing persisted. But after completely removing the nvidia binary driver from my system (running the installer with the '--uninstall' option), plasma seems to be stable with the nv driver." It then goes on to state that the NVidia driver installs custom libraries, overriding the default Fedora ones, even when the driver isn't selected. Steve -- (o< www.stevesearle.com //\ Powered by Fedora V_/_No MS products were used in the creation of this message 10:01:27 up 31 days, 10:52, 1 user, load average: 0.21, 0.21, 0.11 pgpl1lBvr1bbv.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Kevin Kofler wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> i have to side with ed on this one -- while we may not like closed >> source technology, nvidia has generally worked well for me when >> i've had to deal with it. > > Then why do we routinely get bug reports like (most recent one): > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487853 because the nvidia > driver broke yet another part of KDE? And KDE is not the only stuff > it breaks either. > > Don't know why But in the bug you site you will see... /Comment #7 From Jacek Nowosielski 2009-03-09 11:00:08 EDT/ --- In my case it is reproducable on binary NVidia and regular nv as well. So, I guess that bug may not be caused by the driver And it nothing takes into account the lack of problems on my systems So, I'm happy... Must be a case of YMMV... So, maybe using absolutes isn't a good idea when trying to blame a particular vendor.. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
I wrote: > I'd rather buy an "appallingly low spec laptop" than something requiring > proprietary drivers. And changes are the "unsupported chipsets" from Intel Sorry, s/changes/chances/. > would actually have worked just fine with current Fedora, the > documentation you based your decision on was just out of date. The only > chipset which is really unsupported is the GMA500 "Poulsbo". Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> > philosophically, i don't like closed-source drivers any more than >> > the next geek, but sometimes you simply can't avoid getting an nvidia >> > card in some models of laptop. >> >> Then you buy another model. > > i'm curious, kevin ... what colour *is* the sky on your planet? My planet is the same as yours. I don't see why you would buy a laptop which requires drivers which are completely unsupported by the operating system of your choice when other options exist (and they do exist). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Tim wrote: > Not always an option. When I bought my laptop, the only local choices > (amongst several computer shops), were NVidia (with supported and > unlisted chipsets), ATI (with chipsets known to be problems at the time, > or no details), and Intel (with supported chipsets on appallingly low > spec laptops, and unsupported chipsets on the laptops worth buying). I'd rather buy an "appallingly low spec laptop" than something requiring proprietary drivers. And changes are the "unsupported chipsets" from Intel would actually have worked just fine with current Fedora, the documentation you based your decision on was just out of date. The only chipset which is really unsupported is the GMA500 "Poulsbo". Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > philosophically, i don't like closed-source drivers any more than > > the next geek, but sometimes you simply can't avoid getting an nvidia > > card in some models of laptop. > > Then you buy another model. i'm curious, kevin ... what colour *is* the sky on your planet? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Robert P. J. Day wrote: > i have to side with ed on this one -- while we may not like closed > source technology, nvidia has generally worked well for me when i've > had to deal with it. Then why do we routinely get bug reports like (most recent one): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487853 because the nvidia driver broke yet another part of KDE? And KDE is not the only stuff it breaks either. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Robert P. J. Day: >> philosophically, i don't like closed-source drivers any more than >> the next geek, but sometimes you simply can't avoid getting an nvidia >> card in some models of laptop. Kevin Kofler: > Then you buy another model. Not always an option. When I bought my laptop, the only local choices (amongst several computer shops), were NVidia (with supported and unlisted chipsets), ATI (with chipsets known to be problems at the time, or no details), and Intel (with supported chipsets on appallingly low spec laptops, and unsupported chipsets on the laptops worth buying). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Robert P. J. Day wrote: > philosophically, i don't like closed-source drivers any more than > the next geek, but sometimes you simply can't avoid getting an nvidia > card in some models of laptop. Then you buy another model. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > anyone have good/bad/indifferent experience with one of these > > running fedora? > > > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220412 > > No experience, but this thing has an NVidia graphics card. Those are > the source of worlds of pain. I strongly recommend going with Intel > integrated graphics instead (but NOT the GMA 500 "Poulsbo" - that > one is not supported yet). philosophically, i don't like closed-source drivers any more than the next geek, but sometimes you simply can't avoid getting an nvidia card in some models of laptop. in cases like that, as long as i can install the downloadable driver and it works properly, i'm willing to hold my nose. and, i have to admit, for the most part, nvidia drivers seem to work well. i had one in an older dell inspiron and never had any problems. it's not ideal but, barring any real issues, it's acceptable. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Ed Greshko wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > > >> The 9560m GT is not a problem. > >> > > > > It is. The proprietary driver is known to cause many problems > > (crashes, serious performance and rendering issues etc.) which we > > cannot fix because only NVidia has access to the source code. > > > If "it is" then someone has to have a serious talking to with all of > my systems Apparently they didn't get the memo. They are all > running various nVidia cards and they all run without any crashes > and the performance is very good. i have to side with ed on this one -- while we may not like closed source technology, nvidia has generally worked well for me when i've had to deal with it. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Kevin Kofler wrote: > Michael Cronenworth wrote: > >> The 9560m GT is not a problem. >> > > It is. The proprietary driver is known to cause many problems (crashes, > serious performance and rendering issues etc.) which we cannot fix because > only NVidia has access to the source code. > If "it is" then someone has to have a serious talking to with all of my systems Apparently they didn't get the memo. They are all running various nVidia cards and they all run without any crashes and the performance is very good. -- "Spare no expense to save money on this one." -- Samuel Goldwyn mei-mei.gres...@greshko.com http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSz_koUhSg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Michael Cronenworth wrote: > The 9560m GT is not a problem. It is. The proprietary driver is known to cause many problems (crashes, serious performance and rendering issues etc.) which we cannot fix because only NVidia has access to the source code. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
On Monday 09 March 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > anyone have good/bad/indifferent experience with one of these >running fedora? > >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220412 > Robert, I have an ASUS mobo in this machine, but had I known the problems I would encounter with its broken bios, I would not have touched it for any price. As it was, I paid nearly $300 USD just for the board, an M2N-SLI Deluxe. I think the board is good, but the bios is a certified problem child. They have a newer, beta rated one on their web site, which fixes a problem in memory allocation that any linux kernel does a 1 times oops on very early in the boot sequence, but I have yet to get a 1 hour uptime out of it. If I use the one that does the oops, uptimes are weeks if I want them. And they aren't fixing it, that beta copy is now almost 3 years old according to its internal dates when unzip'd! Repeated emails, 3 now, to support have never been acknowledged either. After that, nope, not with a 50 foot borrowed pole. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Whenever a system becomes completely defined, some damn fool discovers something which either abolishes the system or expands it beyond recognition. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Robert P. J. Day wrote: anyone have good/bad/indifferent experience with one of these running fedora I'm using an N80Vn-X5 on Fedora 10 which is pretty similar to what you are looking at. The only thing I had to do special was tell ALSA to use a particular model of "m51va" for sound to work. I need to get around to filing a bug on that. Otherwise it works great. I get about 3-4 hours battery life. The 9560m GT is not a problem. I use my own dkms RPM for the nVidia binary driver since the rpmfusion kmod driver is nothing but a mess. Yes, I've talked to rpmfusion but they do their own thing. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Robert P. J. Day wrote: > anyone have good/bad/indifferent experience with one of these > running fedora? > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220412 No experience, but this thing has an NVidia graphics card. Those are the source of worlds of pain. I strongly recommend going with Intel integrated graphics instead (but NOT the GMA 500 "Poulsbo" - that one is not supported yet). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > anyone have good/bad/indifferent experience with one of these > running fedora? > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220412 > > rday I'm 90% sure it would work fine but newegg is a little light on details such as chipsets (North bridge, PCMCIA, etc). I have a somewhat similar laptop. HP Core2Duo ~2.5Ghz with Nvidia Quadro 570M graphics (1920x1200) and it works quite well with the proprietary drivers. Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
