Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
On 04/15/2009 01:47 AM, Mark Ryden wrote: Hello, Still I am a little bewildered. I googled and read about it; still here is my dillema: there are 2 options which I consider: 1) running gparted from a Linux LiveCD, freeing space from the vista partition. then rebooting, making sure window vista can start, and then installing Linux on the freed space. 2) resizing while installing Linux. Suppose I have the rescue window CDs. which options is better ? We've been doing Linux Installfests at the BLU for 15 years. My preference is step 1: 1. Under Windows, fully defrag the C: and D: partitions. 2. In Vista, you can resize using the resize utility, but I personally prefer either gparted or qtparted. Remember that resizing is a 2-step operation. When shrinking, first you shrink the file system, then the partition. This is done automatically by gparted and qtparted. 3. Absolutely boot back into Vista to make sure things work. 4. Then you can then install Linux and let Linux allocate the space (either by letting the distro do it or manually). In the past 15 years of doing this I only had one system that would not dual boot, and this was a really strange laptop. I even had the guy bring it to my house and spent a day with him :-( . For us at the BLU, our objective is to make sure not to destroy a running system. But, I do think that option 2 would work fine,, but make sure that Windows is defragged. These days, I prefer to use virtualization. I have not used the P2V approach, but I have installed VirtualBox under Windows with Fedora as the guest OS. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
Hello, Still I am a little bewildered. I googled and read about it; still here is my dillema: there are 2 options which I consider: 1) running gparted from a Linux LiveCD, freeing space from the vista partition. then rebooting, making sure window vista can start, and then installing Linux on the freed space. 2) resizing while installing Linux. Suppose I have the rescue window CDs. which options is better ? Regards, Mark On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 16:17 +0300, Mark Ryden wrote: Hello, I have a new Lenovo laptop with Windows Vista on it. I want to install Linux on it while keeping vista on it (though I rarely intend to use Vista, keeping vista is a MUST for me). So I want it to be dual boot. There is one partition on the disk, with 160GB. I consider using gparted livecd for it. In fact, I did not used the There is a way to Windows Vista except booting once into the system, so most of the disk is free. I know how to use the resize feature of gparted. I intend to resize the partition to 20 GB and then create a new parition in the free space which will be created. On the new paritition I intend to install the Linux. My questions are: 1) Is it safe to do resizing with gparted ? 2) I saw in the web in some post : run: #ntfsfix -V and then: if you don't see version 2 don't use this version of gparted on Vista NTFS volumes 3) This can be done also by ntfsresize, thus: ntfsresize -s 20G /dev/sda1 Is ntfsresize -s 20G any better ? safer? or is it in fact the same (but not from the GUI)? gparted should work but things to consider... Fedora 10 installer can resize NTFS partition on the fly when installing. Gparted might be a bit easier (assuming that you make a boot CD). If you have used the Windows for any length of time, defrag first. Leave any utility partitions alone, i.e. re-installation partitions etc. so if necessary, you could reinstall Windows. After resizing, Windows will run a full repair on the next boot up, be prepared to allow the time. Windows XP seems to require at least 12 Gigabytes with current SP3 and Vista likely needs more. 20 should be OK. If space is not an issue, 24 or 32 Gigabytes might be safer, especially if your need to use Windows increases. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
Hello, It seems to me that there is no need for defrag; and there **is** a change between resizing with ntfsresize and gparted. According to man ntfsresize: Defragmentation is NOT required prior to resizing because the program can relocate any data if needed, without risking data integrity. and also: Similarly to other command line filesystem resizers, ntfsresize doesn’t manipulate the size of the partitions, hence to do that you must use a disk partitioning tool as well, for example fdisk(8). Regards, Rami Rosen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 14:20 +0300, Rami Rosen wrote: Similarly to other command line filesystem resizers, ntfsresize doesn’t manipulate the size of the partitions, hence to do that you must use a disk partitioning tool as well, for example fdisk(8). Which is what gparted does for you: Arrange file system and partition resizing, in the right order. It's a front end for the various command that you could issue manually. I still wonder if anybody's compared speeds to using Windows to defrag itself first, versus letting gparted take care of the whole thing. Here, Windows 2000 spent several hours defragging a four gig hard drive before I had at it with gparted to do the resizing (I didn't find the note about not needing to defrag until it was too late, despite looking for comments about defragging beforehand). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 22:35 +0930, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 14:20 +0300, Rami Rosen wrote: Similarly to other command line filesystem resizers, ntfsresize doesn’t manipulate the size of the partitions, hence to do that you must use a disk partitioning tool as well, for example fdisk(8). Which is what gparted does for you: Arrange file system and partition resizing, in the right order. It's a front end for the various command that you could issue manually. I still wonder if anybody's compared speeds to using Windows to defrag itself first, versus letting gparted take care of the whole thing. Here, Windows 2000 spent several hours defragging a four gig hard drive before I had at it with gparted to do the resizing (I didn't find the note about not needing to defrag until it was too late, despite looking for comments about defragging beforehand). dd is just the tool for replicating fragmented WinNT drives too...you probably missed an opportunity. Then again, a 4 Gb HD doesn't leave much space if your going to share Win2K with Linux. I was there with my Sony C1X, Win2K bit the dust, defrag problem easily solved. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
If you have used the Windows for any length of time, defrag first. OT, but I haven't used my Windoze installation in 9 months (not even booted in it) and when I did a few days ago, the HDD was a mess :S it automagically managed to fragment. -- Armin Moradi -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 06:30 -0700, Craig White wrote: Then again, a 4 Gb HD doesn't leave much space if your going to share Win2K with Linux. I was there with my Sony C1X, Win2K bit the dust, defrag problem easily solved. Typing error, on my behalf. I omitted the word partition. The drive's about 8 gigs, split in half (now). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 08:30 +0300, Mark Ryden wrote: Aaron, Thanks. I am a newbie about this. Why should I defrag the disk first? Won't it work without defrag the disk first? Are there any disadvantages of running gparted without defrag it first? Is the fact that, in fact, after the manufacturer/seller installed Vista, there was **no work** done on the filesystem (there was one boot into vista, that's all) , makes running defrag unneeded ? Regards, Mark Well you seem to be aware what def ragging does. Probably on a newly installed system it is not needed but running the program will show you that and def ragging if needed will be fast. I can't see in the man page which is oriented towards Linux systems that def ragging is done by gparted. -- === Chamberlain's Laws: (1) The big guys always win. (2) Everything tastes more or less like chicken. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 16:17 +0300, Mark Ryden wrote: Hello, I have a new Lenovo laptop with Windows Vista on it. I want to install Linux on it while keeping vista on it (though I rarely intend to use Vista, keeping vista is a MUST for me). So I want it to be dual boot. There is one partition on the disk, with 160GB. I consider using gparted livecd for it. In fact, I did not used the There is a way to Windows Vista except booting once into the system, so most of the disk is free. I know how to use the resize feature of gparted. I intend to resize the partition to 20 GB and then create a new parition in the free space which will be created. On the new paritition I intend to install the Linux. My questions are: 1) Is it safe to do resizing with gparted ? 2) I saw in the web in some post : run: #ntfsfix -V and then: if you don't see version 2 don't use this version of gparted on Vista NTFS volumes 3) This can be done also by ntfsresize, thus: ntfsresize -s 20G /dev/sda1 Is ntfsresize -s 20G any better ? safer? or is it in fact the same (but not from the GUI)? gparted should work but things to consider... Fedora 10 installer can resize NTFS partition on the fly when installing. Gparted might be a bit easier (assuming that you make a boot CD). If you have used the Windows for any length of time, defrag first. Leave any utility partitions alone, i.e. re-installation partitions etc. so if necessary, you could reinstall Windows. After resizing, Windows will run a full repair on the next boot up, be prepared to allow the time. Windows XP seems to require at least 12 Gigabytes with current SP3 and Vista likely needs more. 20 should be OK. If space is not an issue, 24 or 32 Gigabytes might be safer, especially if your need to use Windows increases. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
Mark Ryden wrote: 1) Is it safe to do resizing with gparted ? [snip] 3) This can be done also by ntfsresize, thus: ntfsresize -s 20G /dev/sda1 Is ntfsresize -s 20G any better ? safer? or is it in fact the same (but not from the GUI)? As far as I know, gparted simply uses ntfsresize for NTFS resizing, so it's in fact the same. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 07:56 -0700, Craig White wrote: If you have used the Windows for any length of time, defrag first. Supposedly, it's not needed. ntfsresize used by gparted will manage that by itself. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 13:50 +1030, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 07:56 -0700, Craig White wrote: If you have used the Windows for any length of time, defrag first. Supposedly, it's not needed. ntfsresize used by gparted will manage that by itself. glad to hear that but still, this is something that a bit of extra caution probably won't hurt and ntfsresize is a leap of faith. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
Hello, I have a new Lenovo laptop with Windows Vista on it. I want to install Linux on it while keeping vista on it (though I rarely intend to use Vista, keeping vista is a MUST for me). So I want it to be dual boot. There is one partition on the disk, with 160GB. I consider using gparted livecd for it. In fact, I did not used the There is a way to Windows Vista except booting once into the system, so most of the disk is free. I know how to use the resize feature of gparted. I intend to resize the partition to 20 GB and then create a new parition in the free space which will be created. On the new paritition I intend to install the Linux. My questions are: 1) Is it safe to do resizing with gparted ? 2) I saw in the web in some post : run: #ntfsfix -V and then: if you don't see version 2 don't use this version of gparted on Vista NTFS volumes 3) This can be done also by ntfsresize, thus: ntfsresize -s 20G /dev/sda1 Is ntfsresize -s 20G any better ? safer? or is it in fact the same (but not from the GUI)? Regards, Mark Ryden -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Mark Ryden markr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have a new Lenovo laptop with Windows Vista on it. I want to install Linux on it while keeping vista on it (though I rarely intend to use Vista, keeping vista is a MUST for me). So I want it to be dual boot. There is one partition on the disk, with 160GB. I consider using gparted livecd for it. In fact, I did not used the There is a way to Windows Vista except booting once into the system, so most of the disk is free. I know how to use the resize feature of gparted. I intend to resize the partition to 20 GB and then create a new parition in the free space which will be created. On the new paritition I intend to install the Linux. My questions are: 1) Is it safe to do resizing with gparted ? 2) I saw in the web in some post : run: #ntfsfix -V and then: if you don't see version 2 don't use this version of gparted on Vista NTFS volumes 3) This can be done also by ntfsresize, thus: ntfsresize -s 20G /dev/sda1 Is ntfsresize -s 20G any better ? safer? or is it in fact the same (but not from the GUI)? Regards, Mark Ryden I bought a Lenovo laptop with Windows Vista on it. I used gparted livecd to resize it. In my case, there was a ~5GB recovery partition before Vista. The gparted resize of NTFS took an incredibly long time (45 minutes or more, can't recall), but it worked without any problems. Vista will need to run a check on boot, but that did not have any issues either. I have done this now twice with the liveccd without any problems. If I were you I would recommend leaving the space you resize completely empty and let the next Linux/Fedora installer partition it for you. Added point: In my case, I found leaving Vista only 20GB completely unusable (I've since bought a new drive, and gave it at least 30GB now). -Mauriat -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 16:17 +0300, Mark Ryden wrote: Hello, I have a new Lenovo laptop with Windows Vista on it. I want to install Linux on it while keeping vista on it (though I rarely intend to use Vista, keeping vista is a MUST for me). So I want it to be dual boot. There is one partition on the disk, with 160GB. I consider using gparted livecd for it. In fact, I did not used the There is a way to Windows Vista except booting once into the system, so most of the disk is free. I know how to use the resize feature of gparted. I intend to resize the partition to 20 GB and then create a new parition in the free space which will be created. On the new paritition I intend to install the Linux. My questions are: 1) Is it safe to do resizing with gparted ? 2) I saw in the web in some post : run: #ntfsfix -V and then: if you don't see version 2 don't use this version of gparted on Vista NTFS volumes 3) This can be done also by ntfsresize, thus: ntfsresize -s 20G /dev/sda1 Is ntfsresize -s 20G any better ? safer? or is it in fact the same (but not from the GUI)? Regards, Mark Ryden You probably want to defrag the disk first, -- === An aphorism is never exactly true; it is either a half-truth or one-and-a-half truths. -- Karl Kraus === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 09:00 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: You probably want to defrag the disk first, If you use gparted, it says that's a waste of time, since it moves what it has to, itself. Of course, I had to find that detail after watching a PC spend hours defrag before I resized a partition. I wonder if different defrag tools are more efficient? I was staggered at how slow Windows 2000 defragged itself, and it only had 2 or 3 gigs that it had to defrag. It took hours, whereas I could have just copied files from one disc to another, if I had a spare one handy, much quicker. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
Aaron, Thanks. I am a newbie about this. Why should I defrag the disk first? Won't it work without defrag the disk first? Are there any disadvantages of running gparted without defrag it first? Is the fact that, in fact, after the manufacturer/seller installed Vista, there was **no work** done on the filesystem (there was one boot into vista, that's all) , makes running defrag unneeded ? Regards, Mark On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 16:17 +0300, Mark Ryden wrote: Hello, I have a new Lenovo laptop with Windows Vista on it. I want to install Linux on it while keeping vista on it (though I rarely intend to use Vista, keeping vista is a MUST for me). So I want it to be dual boot. There is one partition on the disk, with 160GB. I consider using gparted livecd for it. In fact, I did not used the There is a way to Windows Vista except booting once into the system, so most of the disk is free. I know how to use the resize feature of gparted. I intend to resize the partition to 20 GB and then create a new parition in the free space which will be created. On the new paritition I intend to install the Linux. My questions are: 1) Is it safe to do resizing with gparted ? 2) I saw in the web in some post : run: #ntfsfix -V and then: if you don't see version 2 don't use this version of gparted on Vista NTFS volumes 3) This can be done also by ntfsresize, thus: ntfsresize -s 20G /dev/sda1 Is ntfsresize -s 20G any better ? safer? or is it in fact the same (but not from the GUI)? Regards, Mark Ryden You probably want to defrag the disk first, -- === An aphorism is never exactly true; it is either a half-truth or one-and-a-half truths. -- Karl Kraus === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
