Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-08 Thread Mike Cloaked

Does anyone know if the following two printers work well (and preferably
without the need for additional drivers) in F10 and F11?

Samsung CLP 310N
and
SCX-4500W

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-28 Thread Mike Cloaked



Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> 
> I have also now tested scanning on the scx-4500w now.  
> 
> 

There is now a wiki entry with all the known details about this printer
setup at
http://userbase.kde.org/Troubleshooting/Samsung_scx-4500W
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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-08 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009, Mike Cloaked wrote:

> Does anyone know if the following two printers work well (and
> preferably without the need for additional drivers) in F10 and F11?
>
> Samsung CLP 310N
> and
> SCX-4500W

  i've yet to get my samsung scx-4826fn running under f11.  worked
fine under f10.  if anyone has a recipe, i am *so* willing to test it.
as it is, after i configure and try to print a test page, i get:

There was an error during the CUPS operation:
'client-error-document-format-not-supported'.

is that what you're seeing?

rday
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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-08 Thread Mike Cloaked



Robert P. J. Day-2 wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009, Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know if the following two printers work well (and
>> preferably without the need for additional drivers) in F10 and F11?
>>
>> Samsung CLP 310N
>> and
>> SCX-4500W
> 
>   i've yet to get my samsung scx-4826fn running under f11.  worked
> fine under f10.  if anyone has a recipe, i am *so* willing to test it.
> as it is, after i configure and try to print a test page, i get:
> 
> There was an error during the CUPS operation:
> 'client-error-document-format-not-supported'.
> 
> is that what you're seeing?
> 
> rday
> 
> 

In my case I am trying to decide on one which won't have an install and run
issue so I wanted to know if either would be problematic before buying one!
Hence my question - maybe Tim Waugh will chime in as he seems to be the
collective knowledgebase on printing matters...
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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Mike Cloaked wrote:
> Does anyone know if the following two printers work well (and preferably
> without the need for additional drivers) in F10 and F11?
> 
> Samsung CLP 310N
> and
> SCX-4500W

According to the information on openprinting.org, those both appear to use 
the proprietary Samsung Printer Language, so you have just 2 options:
* a proprietary driver from Samsung and
* a reverse-engineered driver (SpliX) which (AFAIK) isn't in Fedora at this 
time. And some Samsung printers require the patent-encumbered JBIG support, 
so support for those is not likely to land in Fedora any time soon.

Also note that the list on http://splix.ap2c.org/ cites neither the CLP 310N 
nor the SCX-4500W. (It does cite an SCX-4500 without the 'W', but that might 
be a significantly different model.)

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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-10 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 09:14 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> as it is, after i configure and try to print a test page, i get:
> 
> There was an error during the CUPS operation:
> 'client-error-document-format-not-supported'.

Hi Robert,

This sounds like you have a 3rd party driver installed without the
correct ownership or permissions.

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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-10 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 07:10 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> p.s.  if this is perhaps just an issue with permissions, perhaps i
> need only locate the appropriate file that's already installed and
> "chmod" it?

Indeed: 'chown root.root' and 'chmod 755' any drivers that were
installed.  Take a look in /usr/lib/cups/filter/, for instance.

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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-10 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Tim Waugh wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 07:10 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > p.s.  if this is perhaps just an issue with permissions, perhaps i
> > need only locate the appropriate file that's already installed and
> > "chmod" it?
>
> Indeed: 'chown root.root' and 'chmod 755' any drivers that were
> installed.  Take a look in /usr/lib/cups/filter/, for instance.

  all of that's already true:

total 604
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 39592 2009-05-15 05:22 bannertops
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 10480 2009-05-15 05:22 commandtoescpx
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 10448 2009-05-15 05:22 commandtopclx
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 10520 2009-05-15 05:22 commandtops
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root25 2009-06-10 10:25 foomatic-rip -> 
../../../bin/foomatic-rip
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 10456 2009-05-15 05:22 gziptoany
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 65112 2009-05-15 05:22 hpgltops
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 11072 2009-03-09 14:25 hplipjs
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 35392 2009-05-15 05:22 imagetops
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 65504 2009-05-15 05:22 imagetoraster
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 22984 2009-05-15 05:22 pdftops
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 19440 2009-04-15 12:35 pdftoraster
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  1599 2009-05-15 05:22 pstopdf
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 56000 2009-05-15 05:22 pstops
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  6399 2009-04-15 12:35 pstopxl
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  1672 2009-05-15 05:22 pstoraster
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root13 2009-06-10 10:20 rastertodymo -> rastertolabel
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 18784 2009-05-15 05:22 rastertoepson
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 35384 2009-05-15 05:22 rastertoescpx
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 18760 2009-05-15 05:22 rastertohp
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 22920 2009-05-15 05:22 rastertolabel
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 35376 2009-05-15 05:22 rastertopclx
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 27384 2009-02-27 00:08 rastertoptch
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  3560 2009-05-15 05:22 textonly
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root13 2009-06-10 10:20 texttopaps -> /usr/bin/paps
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 55000 2009-05-15 05:22 texttops

  might it be useful to simply remove the appropriate printer support
package(s), then re-install them fresh to get rid of any
misconfiguration i might have introduced?  like, perhaps, removing all
of printer support just to play it safe?

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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-10 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Tim Waugh wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 09:14 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > as it is, after i configure and try to print a test page, i get:
> >
> > There was an error during the CUPS operation:
> > 'client-error-document-format-not-supported'.
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> This sounds like you have a 3rd party driver installed without the
> correct ownership or permissions.

  so, if i can clean all the cruft from my previous attempt, what
*would* be the correct recipe?  i was over at openprinting.org
recently and there is no printer driver for a scx-4826fn.  there *is*
one for the scx-4828fn, but i have no way of knowing if that's still
appropriate.

  BTW, my previous attempt involved downloading the Samsung Smart
Panel and Samsung Unified Driver and running that.  should i assume
that was a mistake?

rday

p.s.  if this is perhaps just an issue with permissions, perhaps i
need only locate the appropriate file that's already installed and
"chmod" it?
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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-10 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 07:30 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>   might it be useful to simply remove the appropriate printer support
> package(s), then re-install them fresh to get rid of any
> misconfiguration i might have introduced?  like, perhaps, removing all
> of printer support just to play it safe?

Better to file a bug report so we can get to the bottom of the problem
and know the solution in future I think.

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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-10 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Tim Waugh wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 07:30 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

> >   might it be useful to simply remove the appropriate printer
> > support package(s), then re-install them fresh to get rid of any
> > misconfiguration i might have introduced?  like, perhaps, removing
> > all of printer support just to play it safe?
>
> Better to file a bug report so we can get to the bottom of the
> problem and know the solution in future I think.

  before i do that, i think it's worth trying to reproduce the problem
by configuring that printer the fedora-approved way from the
beginning.  recall that i downloaded from samsung the smart panel and
unified driver.  should i have done it that way?  or should i have
been able to configure that printer (samsung scx-4826fn) with what
came shipped strictly with fedora?  because if that's the case,
submitting a bug report based on what i got from samsung might be
completely meaningless.

  *theoretically*, how should i have configured that printer?  because
i should at least try it that way to see if the problem still exists.

rday

p.s.  right now, if i go into System > Admin > Printing, i have a
single entry for "SCX-4x26-Series", which strikes me as correct.  but
i'll file a BZ report if you think it's worth it.
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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-10 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 09:05 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>   *theoretically*, how should i have configured that printer?  because
> i should at least try it that way to see if the problem still exists.

According to openprinting.org there is no free driver for that device
(closest match shown):
http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-SCX-4828FN

So the Samsung supplied driver is the only option you have for that
printer.

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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-11 Thread Mike Cloaked



Tim Waugh wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 09:05 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>>   *theoretically*, how should i have configured that printer?  because
>> i should at least try it that way to see if the problem still exists.
> 
> According to openprinting.org there is no free driver for that device
> (closest match shown):
> http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-SCX-4828FN
> 
> So the Samsung supplied driver is the only option you have for that
> printer.
> 
> 

I came across what appears to be a useful post concerning the scanning
function of the scx-4500w (which I now have) at
http://www.nabble.com/Samsung-SCX-4500W-seems-to-work-td24293013.html

This post mentions using a slightly altered xerox backend file at
/etc/sane.d/xerox_mfp.conf

However in F10 under /etc/sane.d/ I don't find any xerox files in this
directory.  Can anyone point me to a guide on how to get hold of these
files, and also the steps needed to install/test in F10/11 and try this for
the scanning function of this printer?

Also in terms of the printing function I also came across the ppd file in
the Samsung official downloads for the printer - they have three tarballs
available (dated from a few months ago) with various applications for Linux
and within these files there is a file scx4500w.ppd that presumably be used
to drive the printer?  I have only ever used printers in the past that "just
work" in Linux so this is a new venture for me.  Is it possible using the
standard tools in F10/11 to install the ppd file and try to print from cups
in the usual way?  If so again can someone point me to a guide?

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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-11 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/11/2009 05:47 AM, Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> This post mentions using a slightly altered xerox backend file at
> /etc/sane.d/xerox_mfp.conf
> 
> However in F10 under /etc/sane.d/ I don't find any xerox files in this
> directory.  Can anyone point me to a guide on how to get hold of these
> files, and also the steps needed to install/test in F10/11 and try this for
> the scanning function of this printer?


  It appears that this file is in 1.0.20 version of sane-backends which
was released at the beginning of May. (http://www.sane-project.org)

  Fedora is still on 1.0.10 .. so you may want to poke the maintainer to
update ?

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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-11 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/11/2009 10:41 AM, Mail Lists wrote:
> On 07/11/2009 05:47 AM, Mike Cloaked wrote:
>>
>> This post mentions using a slightly altered xerox backend file at
>> /etc/sane.d/xerox_mfp.conf
>>
>> However in F10 under /etc/sane.d/ I don't find any xerox files in this
>> directory.  Can anyone point me to a guide on how to get hold of these
>> files, and also the steps needed to install/test in F10/11 and try this for
>> the scanning function of this printer?
> 
> 
>   It appears that this file is in 1.0.20 version of sane-backends which
> was released at the beginning of May. (http://www.sane-project.org)
> 
>   Fedora is still on 1.0.10 .. so you may want to poke the maintainer to
> update ?
> 

  Typo -  f10 and f11 are on 1.0.19 .. you probably still need 1.0.20.
You could just download from upstream perhaps ?

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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-11 Thread Mike Cloaked



Mail Lists-3 wrote:
> 
> On 07/11/2009 10:41 AM, Mail Lists wrote:
> 
>   Typo -  f10 and f11 are on 1.0.19 .. you probably still need 1.0.20.
> You could just download from upstream perhaps ?
> 
> 

Yes indeed.  

By the way the Samsung driver stuff is at
http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/download/supportDown.do?group=printsolutions&type=printsolutions&subtype=monomultifunctionproducts&model_nm=SCX-4500W&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=DR&vType=&prd_ia_cd=06010300&disp_nm=SCX-4500W&model_cd=&menu=download

and the ppd file scx4500w.ppd is in the directory
cdroot/Linux/noarch/at_opt/share/ppd/
in the Unified Linux Driver tarball once it is untarred.


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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-18 Thread Mike Cloaked



Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Mail Lists-3 wrote:
>> 
>> On 07/11/2009 10:41 AM, Mail Lists wrote:
>> 
>>   Typo -  f10 and f11 are on 1.0.19 .. you probably still need 1.0.20.
>> You could just download from upstream perhaps ?
>> 
>> 
> 
> Yes indeed.  
> 
> By the way the Samsung driver stuff is at
> http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/download/supportDown.do?group=printsolutions&type=printsolutions&subtype=monomultifunctionproducts&model_nm=SCX-4500W&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=DR&vType=&prd_ia_cd=06010300&disp_nm=SCX-4500W&model_cd=&menu=download
> 
> and the ppd file scx4500w.ppd is in the directory
> cdroot/Linux/noarch/at_opt/share/ppd/
> in the Unified Linux Driver tarball once it is untarred.
> 
> 

I am going to test the printer and scanner functions via a usb connection on
an F10 machine in the coming days.  Having downloaded
sane-backends-1.0.20-4.fc10 and its associated library from updates-testing,
I will try the scanner in the next few days, and will also try to install
the printer using the ppd file and see if it will work without the Samsung
provided other stuff. I will be pleased if both functions can be made to
work. The xerox_mfp.conf file has been amended to include the 4500w details,
and a 19-libsane-scx4500w.fdi has been made, so hopefully this will allow
the scanner to operate but it now needs testing.

Additionally it would be nice to test this to see if it will work via
ethernet and wireless for printing, though I understand that scanning will
only work via usb.

If it works I will also try to test on an F11 laptop as a test ahead of
moving my main machine on F10 to F11 in the next couple of weeks.


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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-20 Thread Mike Cloaked



Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> 
> I am going to test the printer and scanner functions via a usb connection
> on an F10 machine in the coming days.  Having downloaded
> sane-backends-1.0.20-4.fc10 and its associated library from
> updates-testing, I will try the scanner in the next few days, and will
> also try to install the printer using the ppd file and see if it will work
> without the Samsung provided other stuff. I will be pleased if both
> functions can be made to work. The xerox_mfp.conf file has been amended to
> include the 4500w details, and a 19-libsane-scx4500w.fdi has been made, so
> hopefully this will allow the scanner to operate but it now needs testing.
> 
> Additionally it would be nice to test this to see if it will work via
> ethernet and wireless for printing, though I understand that scanning will
> only work via usb.
> 
> If it works I will also try to test on an F11 laptop as a test ahead of
> moving my main machine on F10 to F11 in the next couple of weeks.
> 
> 

I thought I would report my first tests on using the Samsung scx-4500W under
F10.

I did a fair bit of reading before deciding what to try and in the end did
the following:

I downloaded the driver set and untarred them. The drivers are available
from
http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/download/supportDown.do?group=printsolutions&type=printsolutions&subtype=monomultifunctionproducts&model_nm=SCX-4500W&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=DR&vType=&prd_ia_cd=06010300&disp_nm=SCX-4500W&model_cd=&menu=download

However I did not install their script(s).
Instead I pulled the following two files out of their Unified Driver file:
I added the file
rastertosamsungspl (from
cdroot/Linux/i386/at_root/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungspl) to
/usr/lib/cups/filter/

and scx4500q.ppd (from cdroot/Linux/noarch/at_opt/share/ppd/) to
/usr/share/cups/model/samsung/
Note the permissions are 644

Also did cd to /usr/share/cups/model/foomatic-db-ppds and made directory
samsung, then
gzip -c
/home/mike/Documents/printer-info/4500w-drivers/cups-f10/scx4500w.ppd >
samsung/scx4500w.ppd.gz

That was all that seemed to be needed. Anyway I plugged in the usb line to
the main machine here running F10, and turned on the printer whilst tailing
the messages file.

On startup it immediately recognised the printer and the messages file
showed that the device had been found correctly and culminated in:
Jul 20 20:37:32 home1 kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver usblp
Jul 20 20:38:00 home1 hal_lpadmin: Added printer SCX-4500W-Series

A window popped up saying the printer had been added and offered me to check
the settings - all that I changed was the paper size from the US Letter to
our A4 size and then I ran a test page - which looked perfect.

Then I printed a system status page from the printer itself which was fine,
and then did a test print from the main machine - all seems well.

cups started eating lots of cpu so I restarted it and it settled down
nicely. I then checked that the printer was visible to other machines on the
LAN and it worked nicely. 

I have not used the ethernet cable yet, nor changed the wireless settings.
I'll have to put it on the local network and give it a sensible ip address
rather than the default 192. address that it comes with.

I have also been preparing the setup to allow scanning but not had a chance
to test that yet.

Anyway it is very pleasing that the printer is working, despite being an
unsupported printer - and only using the two files pulled from the other
Samsung linux application allowed the printer to work nicely.


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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

2009-07-20 Thread Mike Cloaked



Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> 
> I thought I would report my first tests on using the Samsung scx-4500W
> under F10.
> 
> I did a fair bit of reading before deciding what to try and in the end did
> the following:
> 
> I downloaded the driver set and untarred them. The drivers are available
> from
> http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/download/supportDown.do?group=printsolutions&type=printsolutions&subtype=monomultifunctionproducts&model_nm=SCX-4500W&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=DR&vType=&prd_ia_cd=06010300&disp_nm=SCX-4500W&model_cd=&menu=download
> 
> However I did not install their script(s).
> Instead I pulled the following two files out of their Unified Driver file:
> I added the file
> rastertosamsungspl (from
> cdroot/Linux/i386/at_root/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungspl) to
> /usr/lib/cups/filter/
> 
> and scx4500q.ppd (from cdroot/Linux/noarch/at_opt/share/ppd/) to
> /usr/share/cups/model/samsung/
> Note the permissions are 644
> 
> Also did cd to /usr/share/cups/model/foomatic-db-ppds and made directory
> samsung, then
> gzip -c
> /home/mike/Documents/printer-info/4500w-drivers/cups-f10/scx4500w.ppd >
> samsung/scx4500w.ppd.gz
> 
> That was all that seemed to be needed. Anyway I plugged in the usb line to
> the main machine here running F10, and turned on the printer whilst
> tailing the messages file.
> 
> On startup it immediately recognised the printer and the messages file
> showed that the device had been found correctly and culminated in:
> Jul 20 20:37:32 home1 kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver
> usblp
> Jul 20 20:38:00 home1 hal_lpadmin: Added printer SCX-4500W-Series
> 
> A window popped up saying the printer had been added and offered me to
> check the settings - all that I changed was the paper size from the US
> Letter to our A4 size and then I ran a test page - which looked perfect.
> 
> Then I printed a system status page from the printer itself which was
> fine, and then did a test print from the main machine - all seems well.
> 
> cups started eating lots of cpu so I restarted it and it settled down
> nicely. I then checked that the printer was visible to other machines on
> the LAN and it worked nicely. 
> 
> I have not used the ethernet cable yet, nor changed the wireless settings.
> I'll have to put it on the local network and give it a sensible ip address
> rather than the default 192. address that it comes with.
> 
> I have also been preparing the setup to allow scanning but not had a
> chance to test that yet.
> 
> Anyway it is very pleasing that the printer is working, despite being an
> unsupported printer - and only using the two files pulled from the other
> Samsung linux application allowed the printer to work nicely.
> 
> 

I have also now tested scanning on the scx-4500w now.  

I installed sane-backends from updates-testing to give
sane-backends-1.0.20-4.fc10.i386

Then edited /etc/sane.d/xerox_mfp.conf to add two extra lines, according to
advice from other postings on the net since the Samsung printer was
suggested to work with the xerox_mfp backend setup:

# Samsung SCX-4500W
 usb 0x04e8 0x342b 

Then made a new file /etc/hal/fdi/information/19-libsane-scx4500w.fdi with
the following content:

 
 
   
 
 
   
 
 
   scanner
 
   
 
   
  

Then I simply fired up the GIMP and asked it to scan - it found the scanner,
and it worked without any further setup.

So although I have only tested the printing and scanning capability on F10
via the usb port it does work very nicely.

Yet to test:
1) printer access via ethernet
2) printer access via wireless
3) scanner access via ether/wifi

If anyone has done any other tests on this Samsung SCX-4500W and has
step-by-step setup details I would be interested to hear the information.
Either way this is a nice printer, and very quiet in operation, and does
look pretty cool too!


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