Re: Some issues in F11
On 06/29/2009 10:06 AM, Todd Denniston wrote: Bradley wrote, On 06/27/2009 06:16 AM: On 06/26/2009 02:37 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:15:07 -0500 Bradley wrote: *This means that /Xorg/ is WRONG! *Now, how do I force /Xorg/ to accept the proposed display setting? If you want to play the game, you'd have to download the source rpm for the sis driver and look for the place it prints the "illegal horizontal timings" message and see what data it is really checking and where that came from and maybe find some place that can influence it - loads of fun if you have nothing better to do :-). Short of that there might actually be a sis man page that describes options you can set in xorg.conf to tell the driver things (like maybe ignore what you imagine to be the horizontal timing limit). Ugh! My wife won't like to hear about me spending my time on that. But, if I don't have any other choice Bradley Another option might be submitting a bugzilla entry against Xorg to inform the developers that X has and should work with these settings, and thus Xorg has a bug. They might already know which line to change. :) Filed Bug# 22499 for this problem. Bradley -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
Bradley wrote, On 06/27/2009 06:16 AM: On 06/26/2009 02:37 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:15:07 -0500 Bradley wrote: *This means that /Xorg/ is WRONG! *Now, how do I force /Xorg/ to accept the proposed display setting? If you want to play the game, you'd have to download the source rpm for the sis driver and look for the place it prints the "illegal horizontal timings" message and see what data it is really checking and where that came from and maybe find some place that can influence it - loads of fun if you have nothing better to do :-). Short of that there might actually be a sis man page that describes options you can set in xorg.conf to tell the driver things (like maybe ignore what you imagine to be the horizontal timing limit). Ugh! My wife won't like to hear about me spending my time on that. But, if I don't have any other choice Bradley Another option might be submitting a bugzilla entry against Xorg to inform the developers that X has and should work with these settings, and thus Xorg has a bug. They might already know which line to change. :) -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On 06/26/2009 02:37 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:15:07 -0500 Bradley wrote: *This means that /Xorg/ is WRONG! *Now, how do I force /Xorg/ to accept the proposed display setting? If you want to play the game, you'd have to download the source rpm for the sis driver and look for the place it prints the "illegal horizontal timings" message and see what data it is really checking and where that came from and maybe find some place that can influence it - loads of fun if you have nothing better to do :-). Short of that there might actually be a sis man page that describes options you can set in xorg.conf to tell the driver things (like maybe ignore what you imagine to be the horizontal timing limit). Ugh! My wife won't like to hear about me spending my time on that. But, if I don't have any other choice Bradley -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:15:07 -0500 Bradley wrote: > *This means that /Xorg/ is WRONG! *Now, how do I force /Xorg/ to accept > the proposed display setting? If you want to play the game, you'd have to download the source rpm for the sis driver and look for the place it prints the "illegal horizontal timings" message and see what data it is really checking and where that came from and maybe find some place that can influence it - loads of fun if you have nothing better to do :-). Short of that there might actually be a sis man page that describes options you can set in xorg.conf to tell the driver things (like maybe ignore what you imagine to be the horizontal timing limit). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On 06/26/2009 09:09 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:45:22 -0500 Bradley wrote: Well, I tried this and it did absolutely nothing. The xorg.conf file can say anything it wants, but the X server can have its own reasons for deciding to ignore it :-). Sometimes you can dig through the cryptic gibberish in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and see why the server rejects some modes. Possibly something like adding vertical and horizontal refresh info to the xorg.conf file will convince it that it is OK to use a mode it rejected, possibly you need to generate a mode line and cram it down xorg's throat :-). There is a program that comes with X these days named "cvt" which can generate valid mode lines that might work. Some of my own experiences with different versions of X can be found here (though the X server has changed a lot, so not everything is relevant any longer): http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley/easy-linux.html Okay, I made some adjustments and now the real culprit seems to be showing its ugly head but I am not sure how to deal with it. Here is the relevant lines from /xorg.conf/: *Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Polaroid" ModelName "FLM-2632" Option "NoDDC" HorizSync 31.5 - 50.0 VertRefresh 25.0 - 65.0 ModeLine "1366x768" 65.00 1366 1048 1184 1300 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "sis" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1366x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection* ...and here is the response to it in the /Xorg.0.log/: * (II) SIS(0): Not using mode "1366x768" (illegal horizontal timings) * Now, the funny part about it is that I can go into /xvidtune/ and manually set it to the very same settings and the display goes into the proper mode just fine (of course /Xorg/ resets it when you log out). *This means that /Xorg/ is WRONG! *Now, how do I force /Xorg/ to accept the proposed display setting? Bradley -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On 06/26/2009 09:09 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:45:22 -0500 Bradley wrote: Well, I tried this and it did absolutely nothing. The xorg.conf file can say anything it wants, but the X server can have its own reasons for deciding to ignore it :-). Sometimes you can dig through the cryptic gibberish in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and see why the server rejects some modes. Possibly something like adding vertical and horizontal refresh info to the xorg.conf file will convince it that it is OK to use a mode it rejected, possibly you need to generate a mode line and cram it down xorg's throat :-). There is a program that comes with X these days named "cvt" which can generate valid mode lines that might work. Some of my own experiences with different versions of X can be found here (though the X server has changed a lot, so not everything is relevant any longer): http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley/easy-linux.html Thanks, I had completely forgotten about the X log files and, yes, they appear to be generating some error messages. Bradley -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:45:22 -0500 Bradley wrote: > Well, I tried this and it did absolutely nothing. The xorg.conf file can say anything it wants, but the X server can have its own reasons for deciding to ignore it :-). Sometimes you can dig through the cryptic gibberish in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and see why the server rejects some modes. Possibly something like adding vertical and horizontal refresh info to the xorg.conf file will convince it that it is OK to use a mode it rejected, possibly you need to generate a mode line and cram it down xorg's throat :-). There is a program that comes with X these days named "cvt" which can generate valid mode lines that might work. Some of my own experiences with different versions of X can be found here (though the X server has changed a lot, so not everything is relevant any longer): http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley/easy-linux.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On 06/26/2009 04:48 AM, Chris Rouch wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Bradley wrote: On 06/25/2009 07:47 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:09:55 -0500 Bradley wrote: - Upon installation, the system was unable to determine what type of monitor was available and doesn't give me the option to manually select the monitor's type or capabilities. You can do a "yum install system-config-display" and get back the X config app they removed from the standard distro because X is now perfect and never makes any mistakes :-). Thanks, that took care of half of the problem. Now, the other half is that F8 supported a 1360x768 (widescreen) display mode and F11 doesn't - it keeps defaulting to 1024x768 and will not go to the widescreen mode even when it is listed as the only option in xorg.conf (it drops to an unsupported display mode for some reason). Any suggestions? Bradley You could try to add to xorg.conf: Option "NoDDC" This tells the X server to not probe the monitor for its capabilities, but to do what it's told. You shouldn't really need it unless you're using a kvm though. Well, I tried this and it did absolutely nothing. In the xorg.conf file, the only display options I have listed as valid are 1024x768 (to make sure at least one mode agrees with it) and 1360x768, in hopes that the system will finally realize that it is a viable option. When I go into the display dialog the listed display modes are 1024x786, 800x600, 640x480, etc. You will notice that the system added the extra display modes even though they are not listed as valid in the xorg.conf file. The 1360x768 display mode isn't even listed and these are what's confusing me the most. Bradley -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On 6/25/2009 8:47 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:09:55 -0500 > Bradley wrote: > >> - Upon installation, the system was unable to determine what type of >> monitor was available and doesn't give me the option to manually select >> the monitor's type or capabilities. > > You can do a "yum install system-config-display" and get back > the X config app they removed from the standard distro because > X is now perfect and never makes any mistakes :-). Let's see now. The system 'asks' each device "What are you?" And each device, in turn, answers "I am 'this'". So the system assigns the proper configurations and other items for the device. When the system asks *your* monitor "What are you?" it answers "I am stupid. I don't know what I am". The system thinks well you *have to be something* or the system can't work so I will assign 'something' that will at least work. And the Luser, being smarter than this stupid monitor, can at least use this sytem to set the configurations for this stupid monitor. Hmm... Yep. You're right Xorg made a mistake. :-) -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Bradley wrote: > On 06/25/2009 07:47 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: >> >> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:09:55 -0500 >> Bradley wrote: >> >> >>> >>> - Upon installation, the system was unable to determine what type of >>> monitor was available and doesn't give me the option to manually select >>> the monitor's type or capabilities. >>> >> >> You can do a "yum install system-config-display" and get back >> the X config app they removed from the standard distro because >> X is now perfect and never makes any mistakes :-). >> >> > > Thanks, that took care of half of the problem. Now, the other half is that > F8 supported a 1360x768 (widescreen) display mode and F11 doesn't - it keeps > defaulting to 1024x768 and will not go to the widescreen mode even when it > is listed as the only option in xorg.conf (it drops to an unsupported > display mode for some reason). Any suggestions? > > Bradley > You could try to add to xorg.conf: Option "NoDDC" This tells the X server to not probe the monitor for its capabilities, but to do what it's told. You shouldn't really need it unless you're using a kvm though. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:09:55 -0500 Bradley wrote: > > - I can no longer play MP3 files with Rythymbox and in Nautilus > (audio preview) by default in F11 where it could in F8! (This is a > major issue with my family) > You can see here why mp3 is not supported for baseline Fedora. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia http://docs.fedoraproject.org/user-guide/f11/en-US/html/chap-User_Guide-Playing_multimedia.html#sect-User_Guide-Playing_multimedia-The_Fedora_Projects_approach_to_multimedia_support You need to install the rpmfusion repositories and install a version that has mp3 support. Links to these other repositories are available on the fedora site http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OtherRepositories but also available here with instructions: http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f11.html Arijit Sarkar posted another possible solution, the Fluendo codec. Fluendo MP3 codec is now free. You can get it from here: http://www.fluendo.com/shop/product/fluendo-mp3-decoder/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On 06/25/2009 07:47 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:09:55 -0500 Bradley wrote: - Upon installation, the system was unable to determine what type of monitor was available and doesn't give me the option to manually select the monitor's type or capabilities. You can do a "yum install system-config-display" and get back the X config app they removed from the standard distro because X is now perfect and never makes any mistakes :-). Thanks, that took care of half of the problem. Now, the other half is that F8 supported a 1360x768 (widescreen) display mode and F11 doesn't - it keeps defaulting to 1024x768 and will not go to the widescreen mode even when it is listed as the only option in xorg.conf (it drops to an unsupported display mode for some reason). Any suggestions? Bradley -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 08:13 -0500, Bradley wrote: > On 06/25/2009 07:45 AM, Tim wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 07:09 -0500, Bradley wrote: > > > >> - I can no longer play MP3 files with Rythymbox and in Nautilus (audio > >> preview) by default in F11 where it could in F8! (This is a major > >> issue with my family) > >> > > > > You never could do that "by default" with Fedora 8, either. All > > versions of Fedora have *REQUIRED* you to install a MP3 decoder that > > came from somewhere else (Livna, RPM Fusion, etc.). > > > > > Really? That's funny because on my F8 installation both were able to > play MP3's right "out of the box". That's strange. Must have been a non-standard "box". Fedora has never supported this. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On 06/25/2009 07:45 AM, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 07:09 -0500, Bradley wrote: - I can no longer play MP3 files with Rythymbox and in Nautilus (audio preview) by default in F11 where it could in F8! (This is a major issue with my family) You never could do that "by default" with Fedora 8, either. All versions of Fedora have *REQUIRED* you to install a MP3 decoder that came from somewhere else (Livna, RPM Fusion, etc.). Really? That's funny because on my F8 installation both were able to play MP3's right "out of the box". That's strange. Bradley -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:09:55 -0500 Bradley wrote: > - Upon installation, the system was unable to determine what type of > monitor was available and doesn't give me the option to manually select > the monitor's type or capabilities. You can do a "yum install system-config-display" and get back the X config app they removed from the standard distro because X is now perfect and never makes any mistakes :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some issues in F11
On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 07:09 -0500, Bradley wrote: > - I can no longer play MP3 files with Rythymbox and in Nautilus (audio > preview) by default in F11 where it could in F8! (This is a major > issue with my family) You never could do that "by default" with Fedora 8, either. All versions of Fedora have *REQUIRED* you to install a MP3 decoder that came from somewhere else (Livna, RPM Fusion, etc.). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.24-78.2.53.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Some issues in F11
Hello, everyone. Well, I finally got myself in a position where I could finally update from F8 to F11 - much to the complaining of another family member. Since I wanted to reorganize my file system structure, I decided to just back it up and do a fresh install of F11 (and from the looks of things, I'm glad I did). For the most part, after using it a couple of days, it seems to run okay with a few nuisances that I wanted to verify if anyone else is having the same issues or if there is a setting somewhere I'm not aware of. - On varying software packages, occasionally (actually rarely) when I click on an icon or menu option I get a different menu or option than what I selected even though the display indicated that I successfully selected what I wanted. - Upon installation, the system was unable to determine what type of monitor was available and doesn't give me the option to manually select the monitor's type or capabilities. Since the xorg.conf file is not used in F11, I can't simply edit it with the display mode to use and when I create a new one it refuses to use the display settings I put in therby not taking advantage of the full capabilities of my monitor. - When attempting to select multiple files & folder in Nautilus, instead of selecting the folders, it will not select them but expands them (and their contents) until after I have selected a few other files / folders first. - Sounds like a bug to me. - I can no longer play MP3 files with Rythymbox and in Nautilus (audio preview) by default in F11 where it could in F8! (This is a major issue with my family) I am sure more issues will be posted later as I recognize them but if someone could offer suggestions, it would be helpful. Bradley -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
