Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Linuxguy123 wrote: >> I know a bunch of people are going to chime in and say "Fedora isn't for >> you" and "Its a bleeding edge distribution", etc. I think those are >> just excuses for a developer community that wants to do it own thing >> irregardless of what users actually want. > > Why should they do what "users actually want", when that's totally > different from the purpose of the distro. It's like going to McDonald's > and complaining that they don't offer lobster. You're missing the point. > > Matt Flaschen > It is kind of like this place near me - they have great breakfasts and lunches. But they close at 4:pm, except for Fridays, so except for the Friday fish fry, you can not go there for dinner. This schedule fits 95% of their customer's needs. Staying open for diner to meet the extra needs of the other 5% would not be cost effective. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
Linuxguy123 wrote: Subject says it all. Fedora developers tell us that they can't give us a choice of KDE version and yet Ubuntu is doing it. Ironically, Fedora says their distribution is more cutting edge and yet Ibex gets kernel 2.6.27 and we are still stuck with 2.6.26. I think the KDE-3.5.10 decision demonstrates that Ubuntu developers are more sensitive to user end needs. I know a bunch of people are going to chime in and say "Fedora isn't for you" and "Its a bleeding edge distribution", etc. I think those are just excuses for a developer community that wants to do it own thing irregardless of what users actually want. Don't shoot me, I'm just the squeaky wheel/messenger. Hi I think you are comparing 2 different things. You should compare Fedora 9 with Ubuntu 8.04, and ibex with Fedora 10. I use F10 and the kernel is 2.6.27. I don't know about KDE because I use Gnome. Marcelo -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
Les Mikesell wrote: > > McDonald's has a price factor that might make it attractive - and they > give away toys. When the choice is among free linux distributions, what > is the point of making one into something users don't want? > Are you deliberately missing the point, or is the concept of making a distribution that appeals to a specific group of users, and trying to please them, beyond you? Off hand, I would say Fedora is giving their target audience what they want. At least they are giving me what I want. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Matthew Flaschen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: >> McDonald's has a price factor that might make it attractive - and they >> give away toys. When the choice is among free linux distributions, what >> is the point of making one into something users don't want? > > As shown by the size of this mailing list, plenty of users do want > Fedora. But trying to please everyone is always futile. > > Matt Flaschen More importantly, trying to please people who didn't care enough to attend the public meeting and discuss this before hand has got to be a fairly low priority when it comes to work intensive decisions like this. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: >> >> Linuxguy123 wrote: >>> >>> I know a bunch of people are going to chime in and say "Fedora isn't for >>> you" and "Its a bleeding edge distribution", etc. I think those are >>> just excuses for a developer community that wants to do it own thing >>> irregardless of what users actually want. >> >> Why should they do what "users actually want", when that's totally >> different from the purpose of the distro. It's like going to McDonald's >> and complaining that they don't offer lobster. You're missing the point. > > McDonald's has a price factor that might make it attractive - and they give > away toys. When the choice is among free linux distributions, what is the > point of making one into something users don't want? Well I sure want Fedora. And I'd like to believe that I'm a Fedora user. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 13:07 -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote: > On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 18:55 +0100, Sebastian Vahl wrote: > > Am Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:56:38 -0400 > > schrieb Linuxguy123 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Subject says it all. Fedora developers tell us that they can't give > > > us a choice of KDE version and yet Ubuntu is doing it. > > > > > > Ironically, Fedora says their distribution is more cutting edge and > > > yet Ibex gets kernel 2.6.27 and we are still stuck with 2.6.26. > > > > > > I think the KDE-3.5.10 decision demonstrates that Ubuntu developers > > > are more sensitive to user end needs. > > > > I've not checked it but this seems not to be true: > > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration > > > > """ > > Will 8.10 include KDE 3? > > > > 8.10 will only include KDE 4 as its desktop. KDE 3 will not be > > available. As the code-name suggests, Intrepid is intended as a > > deliberately cutting edge release, if you would rather stay with what > > you know 8.04 continues to be fully supported. The development team > > decided that time and manpower considerations as well as the > > probable(possible) lack of further 3.5x releases prevent them from > > maintaining 2 separate versions, and KDE 4 was chosen as the version > > to move forward with. > > """ > > http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/static/ubuntu810.html > > States: > > Software versions > > Kernel 2.6.27 > X.Org 7.4 > GNOME 2.24.1 > KDE (Kubuntu) 4.1.2 (3.5.10 available) > OpenOffice.org 2.4.1 > Firefox 3.0.3 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-release seems pretty clear what it is that they're shipping to me but hey, knock yourself out if that's not clear enough for you https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration See the second Q/A... Will 8.10 include KDE 3? 8.10 will only include KDE 4 as its desktop. KDE 3 will not be available. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
Les Mikesell wrote: > McDonald's has a price factor that might make it attractive - and they > give away toys. When the choice is among free linux distributions, what > is the point of making one into something users don't want? As shown by the size of this mailing list, plenty of users do want Fedora. But trying to please everyone is always futile. Matt Flaschen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
Matthew Flaschen wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: I know a bunch of people are going to chime in and say "Fedora isn't for you" and "Its a bleeding edge distribution", etc. I think those are just excuses for a developer community that wants to do it own thing irregardless of what users actually want. Why should they do what "users actually want", when that's totally different from the purpose of the distro. It's like going to McDonald's and complaining that they don't offer lobster. You're missing the point. McDonald's has a price factor that might make it attractive - and they give away toys. When the choice is among free linux distributions, what is the point of making one into something users don't want? -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
Linuxguy123 wrote: > I know a bunch of people are going to chime in and say "Fedora isn't for > you" and "Its a bleeding edge distribution", etc. I think those are > just excuses for a developer community that wants to do it own thing > irregardless of what users actually want. Why should they do what "users actually want", when that's totally different from the purpose of the distro. It's like going to McDonald's and complaining that they don't offer lobster. You're missing the point. Matt Flaschen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 18:55 +0100, Sebastian Vahl wrote: > Am Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:56:38 -0400 > schrieb Linuxguy123 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Subject says it all. Fedora developers tell us that they can't give > > us a choice of KDE version and yet Ubuntu is doing it. > > > > Ironically, Fedora says their distribution is more cutting edge and > > yet Ibex gets kernel 2.6.27 and we are still stuck with 2.6.26. > > > > I think the KDE-3.5.10 decision demonstrates that Ubuntu developers > > are more sensitive to user end needs. > > I've not checked it but this seems not to be true: > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration > > """ > Will 8.10 include KDE 3? > > 8.10 will only include KDE 4 as its desktop. KDE 3 will not be > available. As the code-name suggests, Intrepid is intended as a > deliberately cutting edge release, if you would rather stay with what > you know 8.04 continues to be fully supported. The development team > decided that time and manpower considerations as well as the > probable(possible) lack of further 3.5x releases prevent them from > maintaining 2 separate versions, and KDE 4 was chosen as the version > to move forward with. > """ http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/static/ubuntu810.html States: Software versions Kernel 2.6.27 X.Org 7.4 GNOME 2.24.1 KDE (Kubuntu) 4.1.2 (3.5.10 available) OpenOffice.org 2.4.1 Firefox 3.0.3 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 10:56 -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote: > Subject says it all. Fedora developers tell us that they can't give us > a choice of KDE version and yet Ubuntu is doing it. > > Ironically, Fedora says their distribution is more cutting edge and yet > Ibex gets kernel 2.6.27 and we are still stuck with 2.6.26. > > I think the KDE-3.5.10 decision demonstrates that Ubuntu developers are > more sensitive to user end needs. > > I know a bunch of people are going to chime in and say "Fedora isn't for > you" and "Its a bleeding edge distribution", etc. I think those are > just excuses for a developer community that wants to do it own thing > irregardless of what users actually want. > > Don't shoot me, I'm just the squeaky wheel/messenger. > || || | Please don't feed| | the troll.| | Thank you | || || || || || || -- "The subject says it all..." - Gilboa -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
Am Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:56:38 -0400 schrieb Linuxguy123 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Subject says it all. Fedora developers tell us that they can't give > us a choice of KDE version and yet Ubuntu is doing it. > > Ironically, Fedora says their distribution is more cutting edge and > yet Ibex gets kernel 2.6.27 and we are still stuck with 2.6.26. > > I think the KDE-3.5.10 decision demonstrates that Ubuntu developers > are more sensitive to user end needs. I've not checked it but this seems not to be true: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration """ Will 8.10 include KDE 3? 8.10 will only include KDE 4 as its desktop. KDE 3 will not be available. As the code-name suggests, Intrepid is intended as a deliberately cutting edge release, if you would rather stay with what you know 8.04 continues to be fully supported. The development team decided that time and manpower considerations as well as the probable(possible) lack of further 3.5x releases prevent them from maintaining 2 separate versions, and KDE 4 was chosen as the version to move forward with. """ > I think those are just excuses for a developer community that wants > to do it own thing irregardless of what users actually want. Believe me, that isn't true either. And as it was said in an earlier thread (IIRC): Join the KDE-SIG, offer your help, raise your voice, get participated (in a way you want to or being able to) and you will finally see this for yourself. Sebastian signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 10:56 -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote: > Subject says it all. Fedora developers tell us that they can't give us > a choice of KDE version and yet Ubuntu is doing it. > > Ironically, Fedora says their distribution is more cutting edge and yet > Ibex gets kernel 2.6.27 and we are still stuck with 2.6.26. > > I think the KDE-3.5.10 decision demonstrates that Ubuntu developers are > more sensitive to user end needs. > > I know a bunch of people are going to chime in and say "Fedora isn't for > you" and "Its a bleeding edge distribution", etc. I think those are > just excuses for a developer community that wants to do it own thing > irregardless of what users actually want. > > Don't shoot me, I'm just the squeaky wheel/messenger. actually, I for one would have thought that between August and now, you would stop griping about it or have at least read the explanation on the wiki page that Rex Dieter has linked several times on this very subject. Please feel free to use Ubuntu, I do from time to time. You are welcome to become part of the developer community...it's open to participation. That sort of means that people who choose not to participate in the development community don't often get polled on decisions. You have griped endlessly about KDE 4 and the road map should be evidently clear to you, it isn't going to change, KDE 3.5 is not going to be coming back and at some point in time, KDE will catch up with features lost in regression but that time is an upgrade to Fedora 10 and some updates to KDE away. You are a broken record. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 10:56 -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote: > Subject says it all. Fedora developers tell us that they can't give > us > a choice of KDE version and yet Ubuntu is doing it. Where did they say *can't*? They said they didn't want to because it was messy and KDE3 had no future. Fine by me. If you can't deal with this, you know what to do. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Linuxguy123 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Subject says it all. Fedora developers tell us that they can't give us > a choice of KDE version and yet Ubuntu is doing it. What's your point? > Ironically, Fedora says their distribution is more cutting edge and yet > Ibex gets kernel 2.6.27 and we are still stuck with 2.6.26. I have kernel 2.6.27 from the Fedora repos, what's your point? > I think the KDE-3.5.10 decision demonstrates that Ubuntu developers are > more sensitive to user end needs. That's nice. Not at all true, but nice that you think that. > I know a bunch of people are going to chime in and say "Fedora isn't for > you" and "Its a bleeding edge distribution", etc. I think those are > just excuses for a developer community that wants to do it own thing > irregardless of what users actually want. It's a community distro, the people who put in the effort always get to decide. > Don't shoot me, I'm just the squeaky wheel/messenger. You're being a waste of time now. > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10... and kernel-2.6.27.
Subject says it all. Fedora developers tell us that they can't give us a choice of KDE version and yet Ubuntu is doing it. Ironically, Fedora says their distribution is more cutting edge and yet Ibex gets kernel 2.6.27 and we are still stuck with 2.6.26. I think the KDE-3.5.10 decision demonstrates that Ubuntu developers are more sensitive to user end needs. I know a bunch of people are going to chime in and say "Fedora isn't for you" and "Its a bleeding edge distribution", etc. I think those are just excuses for a developer community that wants to do it own thing irregardless of what users actually want. Don't shoot me, I'm just the squeaky wheel/messenger. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
