Re: Warning against preupgrade
Sam Varshavchik wrote: By the time I'm done, I expect 5 for 5 failures (so far, I'm 2 out of 2). Starting with F9, Anaconda reliably failed to install grub for me, on every one of my machines, despite that they're all different. I've hit this too. I've been meaning to open a bug report for it and will do so now. If I chose the option to update the existing bootloader I often ended up with a mis-installed grub (about 5 out of 7 machines if I remember). I found that if I chose to create a new booloader configuration that anaconda was suggesting I install grub into the MBR of /dev/sdb which wasn't the primary boot device. If I changed that manually to /dev/sda it worked. I'm guessing that for the update option it just takes it's guess to be correct and installs in the MBR of the wrong device. Looking in BZ it looks like this is already reported at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=446362 ..I'll add my observations there too. Simon. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Warning against preupgrade
David writes: On 6/25/2009 6:11 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Alan Cox writes: On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:07:07 -0700 Kevin Bowling wrote: 2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind of "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. Anything other than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. 2 out of 5 ? - I got 3 out of 4 fails including hitting error paths that clearly were not tested because the error printing code didn't work but spewed python traces - and yes its in bugzilla already. By the time I'm done, I expect 5 for 5 failures (so far, I'm 2 out of 2). Starting with F9, Anaconda reliably failed to install grub for me, on every one of my machines, despite that they're all different. Some have one IDE hard drive, others use softraid on top of a pair of SCSI drives. Some are i386, others x86_64. There is no common denominator that I can see. So far, now with F11, on the first two machines, Anaconda keeps failing to install Grub, so I have to do it. I have no reason to believe that the remaining three won't be any different. Say this again please? "By the time I'm done, I expect 5 for 5 failures". Right. Are you crazy. I'm pretty sure I'm not. "By the time I'm done, I expect 5 for 5 failures". The odds sux! Yes, but I'm not playing the roulette. How many failures would expect from clean, fresh installs? Dunno -- haven't done fresh installs in a long time. Would a "clean, fresh install" and then have to reconfigure 'something/any/many things, be a disaster? Yes -- since I'd lose all the data I've accumulated, over the years. As opposed to an "By the time I'm done, I expect 5 for 5 failures" upgrade followed by a "clean, fresh install?", as opposed to a fresh install to begin with first, and a re-configure after? It's not too bad. Although, as I've said, Anaconda barfs when trying to install grub, I've now gotten the routine down pat. Takes only a minute or two, to fix it up. Much easier than wiping and doing a fresh install. pgpaUGHvHGl3u.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Warning against preupgrade
On 6/25/2009 6:11 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Alan Cox writes: > >> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:07:07 -0700 >> Kevin Bowling wrote: >> >>> 2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind of >>> "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. Anything >>> other than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. >> >> 2 out of 5 ? - I got 3 out of 4 fails including hitting error paths that >> clearly were not tested because the error printing code didn't work but >> spewed python traces - and yes its in bugzilla already. > > By the time I'm done, I expect 5 for 5 failures (so far, I'm 2 out of > 2). Starting with F9, Anaconda reliably failed to install grub for me, > on every one of my machines, despite that they're all different. Some > have one IDE hard drive, others use softraid on top of a pair of SCSI > drives. Some are i386, others x86_64. There is no common denominator > that I can see. > > So far, now with F11, on the first two machines, Anaconda keeps failing > to install Grub, so I have to do it. I have no reason to believe that > the remaining three won't be any different. > Say this again please? "By the time I'm done, I expect 5 for 5 failures". Are you crazy. "By the time I'm done, I expect 5 for 5 failures". The odds sux! How many failures would expect from clean, fresh installs? Would a "clean, fresh install" and then have to reconfigure 'something/any/many things, be a disaster? As opposed to an "By the time I'm done, I expect 5 for 5 failures" upgrade followed by a "clean, fresh install?", as opposed to a fresh install to begin with first, and a re-configure after? -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Warning against preupgrade
Alan Cox writes: On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:07:07 -0700 Kevin Bowling wrote: 2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind of "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. Anything other than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. 2 out of 5 ? - I got 3 out of 4 fails including hitting error paths that clearly were not tested because the error printing code didn't work but spewed python traces - and yes its in bugzilla already. By the time I'm done, I expect 5 for 5 failures (so far, I'm 2 out of 2). Starting with F9, Anaconda reliably failed to install grub for me, on every one of my machines, despite that they're all different. Some have one IDE hard drive, others use softraid on top of a pair of SCSI drives. Some are i386, others x86_64. There is no common denominator that I can see. So far, now with F11, on the first two machines, Anaconda keeps failing to install Grub, so I have to do it. I have no reason to believe that the remaining three won't be any different. pgppdCMjWj4H6.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Warning against preupgrade
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:08:58 -0700 Aldo Foot wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:07:07 -0700 > > Kevin Bowling wrote: > > > >> 2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind of > >> "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. Anything other > >> than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. > > > > 2 out of 5 ? - I got 3 out of 4 fails including hitting error paths that > > clearly were not tested because the error printing code didn't work but > > spewed python traces - and yes its in bugzilla already. > > > Is this the bug to which you referred? > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505602 I've not seen that one here -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Warning against preupgrade
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:07:07 -0700 > Kevin Bowling wrote: > >> 2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind of >> "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. Anything other >> than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. > > 2 out of 5 ? - I got 3 out of 4 fails including hitting error paths that > clearly were not tested because the error printing code didn't work but > spewed python traces - and yes its in bugzilla already. Is this the bug to which you referred? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505602 ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Warning against preupgrade
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:07 AM, Kevin Bowling wrote: > 2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind of > "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. Anything other > than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. > > It worked well in the past, it doesn't now. Just a heads up since nobody > bothered mentioning this beforehand. It should probably be added to "common > bugs" and in a big banner on the release notes. For reference within this thread here's what I posted yesterday. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-June/msg03026.html ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Warning against preupgrade
On Thursday 25 June 2009 16:05:18 Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:36:24 +0100 > > Alan Cox wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:07:07 -0700 > > > > Kevin Bowling wrote: > > > 2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind > > > of "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. > > > Anything other than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. > > > > 2 out of 5 ? - I got 3 out of 4 fails including hitting error paths > > that clearly were not tested because the error printing code didn't > > work but spewed python traces - and yes its in bugzilla already. > > I have 0 out of 4 failures here. > > I note that the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'. ;) > > It would be much better to get bugs on the failures so we could know > what is failing and fix it. ;) (Thanks for filing that one Alan). > In principle, I agree, but the rule of thumb appears to be that if your install and subsequent updates are straightforward it stands a good chance of updating correctly. If you have a more complicated system from any standpoint you are probably better advised to take control of the situation yourself. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Warning against preupgrade
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:36:24 +0100 Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:07:07 -0700 > Kevin Bowling wrote: > > > 2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind > > of "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. > > Anything other than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. > > 2 out of 5 ? - I got 3 out of 4 fails including hitting error paths > that clearly were not tested because the error printing code didn't > work but spewed python traces - and yes its in bugzilla already. I have 0 out of 4 failures here. I note that the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'. ;) It would be much better to get bugs on the failures so we could know what is failing and fix it. ;) (Thanks for filing that one Alan). kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Warning against preupgrade
On 6/25/2009 4:36 AM, Alan Cox wrote: On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:07:07 -0700 Kevin Bowling wrote: 2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind of "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. Anything other than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. 2 out of 5 ? - I got 3 out of 4 fails including hitting error paths that clearly were not tested because the error printing code didn't work but spewed python traces - and yes its in bugzilla already. One of the "success" required manual heavy lifting. F11 Xorg didn't like the R100 radeon in my IBM x3650 server and absolutely crawled. After two DAYS I interrupted and rebooted the box before it was done doing package cleanups. Some careful work manually sorting out the mess seemed to get it going. preupgrade-cli should not use a frame buffer of any type. Think about TTY-only devices, or server BIOS that redirect console to ethernet/serial... Anyways, be careful! Clearly not for the average user, and woefully under-tested. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Warning against preupgrade
On Thursday 25 June 2009 13:53:43 John Aldrich wrote: > On Thursday 25 June 2009, Kevin Bowling wrote: > > 2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind of > > "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. Anything other > > than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. > > > > It worked well in the past, it doesn't now. Just a heads up since > > nobody bothered mentioning this beforehand. It should probably be added > > to "common bugs" and in a big banner on the release notes. > > Well, F10 ->F11 worked fine for me. However, I let F10 update itself to > F11. I was prompted that there was a new version of Fedora available and > did I want to install it? I allowed Fedora to upgrade itself and everything > went smoothly. I have a total of 3 HDDs in this system and do NOT have a > standard layout. > > So, I think the phrase YMMV is appropriate here. That being said, I think > that, yes, there may be some things that break in an upgrade like this, but > it should be relatively easy to fix, I would think. Common sense says to > back up any crucial config files in case they are overwritten. I used the same method and it has been a horrendous job to sort it out. I had been using repos like updates-testing and kde-fedora's similar one and it looks as though that may have caused a lot of the problems. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Warning against preupgrade
On Thursday 25 June 2009, Kevin Bowling wrote: > 2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind of > "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. Anything other > than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. > > It worked well in the past, it doesn't now. Just a heads up since > nobody bothered mentioning this beforehand. It should probably be added > to "common bugs" and in a big banner on the release notes. > Well, F10 ->F11 worked fine for me. However, I let F10 update itself to F11. I was prompted that there was a new version of Fedora available and did I want to install it? I allowed Fedora to upgrade itself and everything went smoothly. I have a total of 3 HDDs in this system and do NOT have a standard layout. So, I think the phrase YMMV is appropriate here. That being said, I think that, yes, there may be some things that break in an upgrade like this, but it should be relatively easy to fix, I would think. Common sense says to back up any crucial config files in case they are overwritten. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Warning against preupgrade
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:07:07 -0700 Kevin Bowling wrote: > 2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind of > "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. Anything other > than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. 2 out of 5 ? - I got 3 out of 4 fails including hitting error paths that clearly were not tested because the error printing code didn't work but spewed python traces - and yes its in bugzilla already. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Warning against preupgrade
On 06/25/2009 04:37 PM, Kevin Bowling wrote: > 2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind of > "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. Anything other > than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. > > It worked well in the past, it doesn't now. Just a heads up since > nobody bothered mentioning this beforehand. It should probably be added > to "common bugs" and in a big banner on the release notes. For it to qualify for common bugs or release notes, a bug report with more details is needed. If you haven't filed anything yet, please do so http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_file_a_bug_report Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Warning against preupgrade
2 out of 5 failures. F10->F11 is completely unusable for any kind of "uncommon" setup, i.e. LDAP login, Linux RAID, Xen DomU. Anything other than one IDE hard disk with default layout really. It worked well in the past, it doesn't now. Just a heads up since nobody bothered mentioning this beforehand. It should probably be added to "common bugs" and in a big banner on the release notes. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
