Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
Michael Cronenworth wrote: > I doubt you'll be saying "Fedora 8 boot was better" for much longer. I didn't say, or think, that Fedora 8 BOOT was better. I said that I prefer the Fedora 8 ARTWORK. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
John Brier wrote: I think you are correct. Since plymouth needs kernel mode setting to work properly(without vesafb) it only works out of the box with those devices. However plymouth can work with most graphics if you select vesafb by using the vga= boot parameter. That's how I read that anyway. I can tell you though that vga=0x318 works here on a nvidia graphics card and a 19" LCD with natie resolution 1280x1024.. also 0x31B is the proper resolution I have a system with an ATI Radeon RV535 (lspci attached) which doesn't seem to want to use all its modes. In particular it won't do 1280x1024x24, but will do 0x324 (1280x1024x32), and X refuses to offer me a mode larger than 1024x768! With vga= I get a nice startup display, four penguins, then into X in 1024x768. Try to configure the display with GUI, asks for root, display type CRT-1280x1024, modes end at 1024x768. FC9 or FC10 just don't seem to have a clue on this display stuff, I wind up with vesafb, there's a top performer, NOT! FC8 had a much better idea on this hardware, and I wish a little less effort had gone into the fancy graphical boot stuff and a little more into using all the capability of the hardware. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV535 [Radeon X1650 Series] (rev 9e) 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV535 [Radeon X1650 Series] (rev 9e) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
On Tuesday 16 December 2008 18:30:15 Les Mikesell wrote: > Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Tuesday 16 December 2008 17:00:16 Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> The boot screen is somewhat secondary to the main target of decreasing > >> boot time. Whether any particular machine gets the spiffy graphic, it > >> should still boot significantly faster using the new system. Although > >> kernel mode setting hasn't been implemented for all cards, it was > >> originally supposed to also work for Intel too -- until Intel made an > >> eleventh-hour change. We hope to have those and many more cards > >> working with the spiffy boot graphics for Fedora 11, but regardless, > >> boot speed is a very important consideration. > > > > Well, on my netbook it has been spectacularly unsuccessful. The boot > > time is horrifically long. It seems that it first tries to bring up my > > wireless connection, failing miserably, then it tries to mount my 3 > > defined nfs mounts. Two of them are always available, one is not always. > > Instead of a reasonably short wait time, then moving on, it seems to wait > > a very long time. If anyone's interested I'll time it. Failing > > gracefully is something it needs to learn. > > By design NFS should wait for success (you may not have anything > else...). If failure is expected or acceptable, you need to specify > bg,soft for the mount - or better yet use the automounter so you don't > even consider mounting until the need arises. > Les, I don't know the technicalities of it working. I just know that the same entries exist in fstab on my F10 netbook and Mandriva 2009 laptop. The laptop must have some sort of built-in time limit, I guess, because it doesn't make me wait over-long. Of course if NetworkManager was working on the netbook I would only have that one delay, which might then not feel too bad. As it is, you could make a cup of tea while it's booting up. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 16 December 2008 17:00:16 Paul W. Frields wrote: The boot screen is somewhat secondary to the main target of decreasing boot time. Whether any particular machine gets the spiffy graphic, it should still boot significantly faster using the new system. Although kernel mode setting hasn't been implemented for all cards, it was originally supposed to also work for Intel too -- until Intel made an eleventh-hour change. We hope to have those and many more cards working with the spiffy boot graphics for Fedora 11, but regardless, boot speed is a very important consideration. Well, on my netbook it has been spectacularly unsuccessful. The boot time is horrifically long. It seems that it first tries to bring up my wireless connection, failing miserably, then it tries to mount my 3 defined nfs mounts. Two of them are always available, one is not always. Instead of a reasonably short wait time, then moving on, it seems to wait a very long time. If anyone's interested I'll time it. Failing gracefully is something it needs to learn. By design NFS should wait for success (you may not have anything else...). If failure is expected or acceptable, you need to specify bg,soft for the mount - or better yet use the automounter so you don't even consider mounting until the need arises. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:24:46AM -0500, John Brier wrote: > Timothy Murphy wrote: >> I did actually read that, but didn't understand it. >> >> In the same section, I found the sentence >> "Currently, only Radeon R500 and higher users get kernel modesetting by >> default" >> particularly puzzling. >> >> Does this really mean that "plymouth" only works properly >> with this particular kind of ATI card? >> >> Strange ... > > I think you are correct. Since plymouth needs kernel mode setting to > work properly(without vesafb) it only works out of the box with those > devices. However plymouth can work with most graphics if you select > vesafb by using the vga= boot parameter. That's how I read that anyway. > > I can tell you though that vga=0x318 works here on a nvidia graphics > card and a 19" LCD with natie resolution 1280x1024.. also 0x31B is the > proper resolution You can use 'vga=ask' to see which modes will work natively with your particular video card. For instance, on one of my machines it turns out that 'vga=0x361' is the optimal mode. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgplA9eYosVAR.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
Original Message Subject: Re: What are these F-10 boot slides? From: Anne Wilson To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 12/16/2008 11:22 AM Well, on my netbook it has been spectacularly unsuccessful. The boot time is horrifically long. It seems that it first tries to bring up my wireless connection, failing miserably, then it tries to mount my 3 defined nfs mounts. Two of them are always available, one is not always. Instead of a reasonably short wait time, then moving on, it seems to wait a very long time. If anyone's interested I'll time it. Failing gracefully is something it needs to learn. Anne The whole NFS startup procedure was left in without any changes with respect to NetworkManager taking the reins in network device control. I tried searching for a bug on it, but I didn't see anything. I know NetworkManager will automount NFS upon IP configuration, so there needs to be investigation into whether the NFS init scripts can be modified to include #if $NetworkMananger eq 1; exit 0; instead of processing normally. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
On Tuesday 16 December 2008 17:00:16 Paul W. Frields wrote: > The boot screen is somewhat secondary to the main target of decreasing > boot time. Whether any particular machine gets the spiffy graphic, it > should still boot significantly faster using the new system. Although > kernel mode setting hasn't been implemented for all cards, it was > originally supposed to also work for Intel too -- until Intel made an > eleventh-hour change. We hope to have those and many more cards > working with the spiffy boot graphics for Fedora 11, but regardless, > boot speed is a very important consideration. Well, on my netbook it has been spectacularly unsuccessful. The boot time is horrifically long. It seems that it first tries to bring up my wireless connection, failing miserably, then it tries to mount my 3 defined nfs mounts. Two of them are always available, one is not always. Instead of a reasonably short wait time, then moving on, it seems to wait a very long time. If anyone's interested I'll time it. Failing gracefully is something it needs to learn. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 04:38:41PM +, Timothy Murphy wrote: > John Brier wrote: > > >> In the same section, I found the sentence > >> "Currently, only Radeon R500 and higher users > >> get kernel modesetting by default" > >> particularly puzzling. > >> > >> Does this really mean that "plymouth" only works properly > >> with this particular kind of ATI card? > >> > >> Strange ... > > > I think you are correct. Since plymouth needs kernel mode setting to > > work properly(without vesafb) it only works out of the box with those > > devices. However plymouth can work with most graphics if you select > > vesafb by using the vga= boot parameter. That's how I read that anyway. > > Surely it is very odd to distribute a program which only works properly > on such a restricted range of hardware? > > I feel I must be misunderstanding something. The boot screen is somewhat secondary to the main target of decreasing boot time. Whether any particular machine gets the spiffy graphic, it should still boot significantly faster using the new system. Although kernel mode setting hasn't been implemented for all cards, it was originally supposed to also work for Intel too -- until Intel made an eleventh-hour change. We hope to have those and many more cards working with the spiffy boot graphics for Fedora 11, but regardless, boot speed is a very important consideration. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp0Ckpt6JrHo.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
Original Message Subject: Re: What are these F-10 boot slides? From: Timothy Murphy To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 12/16/2008 10:38 AM Surely it is very odd to distribute a program which only works properly on such a restricted range of hardware? I feel I must be misunderstanding something. It still works with all hardware. However, for flicker-free operation kernel-mode-setting is required. Did you bother to go turn it on? I doubt you'll be saying "Fedora 8 boot was better" for much longer. If you really must know why this was done, please search the Fedora wiki or google search for the Fedora Kernel Mode Setting feature.[1] [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KernelModesetting -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
John Brier wrote: >> In the same section, I found the sentence >> "Currently, only Radeon R500 and higher users >> get kernel modesetting by default" >> particularly puzzling. >> >> Does this really mean that "plymouth" only works properly >> with this particular kind of ATI card? >> >> Strange ... > I think you are correct. Since plymouth needs kernel mode setting to > work properly(without vesafb) it only works out of the box with those > devices. However plymouth can work with most graphics if you select > vesafb by using the vga= boot parameter. That's how I read that anyway. Surely it is very odd to distribute a program which only works properly on such a restricted range of hardware? I feel I must be misunderstanding something. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
Timothy Murphy wrote: I did actually read that, but didn't understand it. In the same section, I found the sentence "Currently, only Radeon R500 and higher users get kernel modesetting by default" particularly puzzling. Does this really mean that "plymouth" only works properly with this particular kind of ATI card? Strange ... I think you are correct. Since plymouth needs kernel mode setting to work properly(without vesafb) it only works out of the box with those devices. However plymouth can work with most graphics if you select vesafb by using the vga= boot parameter. That's how I read that anyway. I can tell you though that vga=0x318 works here on a nvidia graphics card and a 19" LCD with natie resolution 1280x1024.. also 0x31B is the proper resolution John Brier -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
John Brier wrote: >> What do the 3 growing horizontal slides >> at the bottom of the F-10 boot screen represent? >> >> They are rather ugly, I think, as are the whole boot graphics. >> Looks like some child was let in the room during development. > Wait til you see the new Plymouth at its best. You have to append > vga=0x318 to kernel line in grub.conf for 1024x768 graphical boot. > Otherwise you get the text boot mode which you are seeing. This is all > explained in the release notes: > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/ > What_is_New_for_Installation_and_Live_Images.html#sn-Fedora_10_boot-time > = > The graphical boot splash screen that comes with Plymouth requires > kernel mode setting drivers to work best. There are not kernel > modesetting drivers available for all hardware yet. To see the > graphical splash before the drivers are generally available, add > vga=0x318 to the kernel grub command line. This uses vesafb, which > does not necessarily give the native resolution for a flat panel, and > may cause flickering or other weird interactions with X. Without > kernel modesetting drivers or vga=0x318, Plymouth uses a text-based > plugin that is plain but functional. > == I did actually read that, but didn't understand it. In the same section, I found the sentence "Currently, only Radeon R500 and higher users get kernel modesetting by default" particularly puzzling. Does this really mean that "plymouth" only works properly with this particular kind of ATI card? Strange ... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
Timothy Murphy wrote: What do the 3 growing horizontal slides at the bottom of the F-10 boot screen represent? They are rather ugly, I think, as are the whole boot graphics. Looks like some child was let in the room during development. FC-8 was the nicest, I think. Centos logo is even better than Windows logo, IMHO. Wait til you see the new Plymouth at its best. You have to append vga=0x318 to kernel line in grub.conf for 1024x768 graphical boot. Otherwise you get the text boot mode which you are seeing. This is all explained in the release notes: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Installation_and_Live_Images.html#sn-Fedora_10_boot-time = # The graphical boot splash screen that comes with Plymouth requires kernel mode setting drivers to work best. There are not kernel modesetting drivers available for all hardware yet. To see the graphical splash before the drivers are generally available, add vga=0x318 to the kernel grub command line. This uses vesafb, which does not necessarily give the native resolution for a flat panel, and may cause flickering or other weird interactions with X. Without kernel modesetting drivers or vga=0x318, Plymouth uses a text-based plugin that is plain but functional. # == John Brier -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
What are these F-10 boot slides?
What do the 3 growing horizontal slides at the bottom of the F-10 boot screen represent? They are rather ugly, I think, as are the whole boot graphics. Looks like some child was let in the room during development. FC-8 was the nicest, I think. Centos logo is even better than Windows logo, IMHO. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
