When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
I've been using Redhat/Fedora since RH8. It seems that every time we get a new version sound gets broken and I have to go through a whole complicated and convoluted troubleshooting sequence to get it running again. Wireless networking used to be like that and now it seems to work release after release. When will sound get the same attention to detail that Wireless got ? Sound worked just fine in F8 and F10, after some fiddling, of course. Along comes F11 and I've got nothing, in spite of spending literally days mucking and fiddling around. The pundits say that the problem is my complicated, unsupported sound card (Intel HDA), but it worked just fine in F8 and F10 and it hasn't changed since. If it ran fine in F8 and F10, why should it suddenly be OK to NOT run in F11 ? The funny part of all this is the pulse audio component. Pulse audio seems to be bug ridden. There doesn't seem to be any real documentation for troubleshooting it. And yet one gets chastised if one says they want to remove it and run without it. Oh, yeah... I forgot... Fedora is bleeding edge. The funny thing is that we've been bleeding on the sound card issues since RH8 and there doesn't seem to be any end in sight. And I would hardly call sound systems leading edge in this day and age. When (and how) will this madness end ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using Redhat/Fedora since RH8. It seems that every time we get a new version sound gets broken Do you have any reason to believe that this is a systematic, common problem? While PulseAudio doesn't meet my needs, leading me to remove it upon install, I do not find my sound to be broken every release. -- Fedora 10 (www.pembo13.com) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:38 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I've been using Redhat/Fedora since RH8. It seems that every time we get a new version sound gets broken and I have to go through a whole complicated and convoluted troubleshooting sequence to get it running again. Wireless networking used to be like that and now it seems to work release after release. When will sound get the same attention to detail that Wireless got ? Sound worked just fine in F8 and F10, after some fiddling, of course. Along comes F11 and I've got nothing, in spite of spending literally days mucking and fiddling around. The pundits say that the problem is my complicated, unsupported sound card (Intel HDA), but it worked just fine in F8 and F10 and it hasn't changed since. If it ran fine in F8 and F10, why should it suddenly be OK to NOT run in F11 ? The funny part of all this is the pulse audio component. Pulse audio seems to be bug ridden. There doesn't seem to be any real documentation for troubleshooting it. And yet one gets chastised if one says they want to remove it and run without it. Oh, yeah... I forgot... Fedora is bleeding edge. The funny thing is that we've been bleeding on the sound card issues since RH8 and there doesn't seem to be any end in sight. And I would hardly call sound systems leading edge in this day and age. When (and how) will this madness end ? all software has bugs. Some bugs are worse than others. I have heard many reports of problems with variations of the Intel motherboard audio so I think you are not unique. The way problems get fixed is to have a repeatable installation and a repeatable problem and report to bugzilla so the software developers know that there is a problem, can get information from you as to your hardware, suggest changes and then these changes will be incorporated into the distribution. Belly aching on the list doesn't do much to change things but if it makes you feel better, then by all means... Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
--- On Fri, 7/24/09, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: From: Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com Subject: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 9:38 AM I've been using Redhat/Fedora since RH8. It seems that every time we get a new version sound gets broken and I have to go through a whole complicated and convoluted troubleshooting sequence to get it running again. Wireless networking used to be like that and now it seems to work release after release. When will sound get the same attention to detail that Wireless got ? Sound worked just fine in F8 and F10, after some fiddling, of course. Along comes F11 and I've got nothing, in spite of spending literally days mucking and fiddling around. The pundits say that the problem is my complicated, unsupported sound card (Intel HDA), but it worked just fine in F8 and F10 and it hasn't changed since. If it ran fine in F8 and F10, why should it suddenly be OK to NOT run in F11 ? The funny part of all this is the pulse audio component. Pulse audio seems to be bug ridden. There doesn't seem to be any real documentation for troubleshooting it. And yet one gets chastised if one says they want to remove it and run without it. Oh, yeah... I forgot... Fedora is bleeding edge. The funny thing is that we've been bleeding on the sound card issues since RH8 and there doesn't seem to be any end in sight. And I would hardly call sound systems leading edge in this day and age. When (and how) will this madness end ? -- With sound I guess I have been lucky. I have run Red Hat 8.0 Redhat 9, then skipped FC1 and went into FC 2, 3, ..., and all inbetween till now Fedora 11. I have run rawhide since Fedora Core 5 Test 2 release on some machines I own, and once in a while sound breaks(broke) with update(s). But it came back and it worked again, but from Fedora 8 onward many have complained that pulseaudio was causing much more trouble than it helped fix? I left it on, with many messages that sound was not available on card reverting to ., but I did have sound. Then there were no messages, but I did have sound and I hear you about sound alsa problems. I had a Toshiba laptop that did not have sound and I downloaded and installed alsa from source and I managed to get sound, then I let Fedora update the machine and sound broke again, but thankfully other users had the same problem(s) and there came some workarounds and I got sound for good since Fedora 8 onwards. However, when I try to output to alsa, sometimes the sound server dies and have troubles. I get messages like: ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1102: Too big adjustment 32 But I have sound, and I can't complain, but something in /etc/modprobe.conf ? /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf ??? (which supposedly got depracated) fixes(fixed) your issue. Did you save the settings that worked before so that you can put them back? Also could you boot a Fedora 10 Live CD and see if there is sound and take a look at the alsa settings and run the famous ./alsa-info.sh file and see what the differences are and make changes to see if that can correct your problem. I somehow have had other issues. But nothing that could not be fixed. I have to use a winmodem to connect to net, and the drivers are compatible for 64 bit so I have 64 bit Fedora 11 installed. The drivers compile fine and all, but the important program to dialout is not created. Solution: I install a kernel from kernel.org and the driver builds without problems and works so I use a vanilla kernel with Fedora kernel config, but for me it is OK, I run the latest 2.6.30.2 on that machine and am happy.
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
Linuxguy123 wrote: I've been using Redhat/Fedora since RH8. It seems that every time we get a new version sound gets broken and I have to go through a whole complicated and convoluted troubleshooting sequence to get it running again. Wireless networking used to be like that and now it seems to work release after release. When will sound get the same attention to detail that Wireless got ? Sound worked just fine in F8 and F10, after some fiddling, of course. Along comes F11 and I've got nothing, in spite of spending literally days mucking and fiddling around. The pundits say that the problem is my complicated, unsupported sound card (Intel HDA), but it worked just fine in F8 and F10 and it hasn't changed since. If it ran fine in F8 and F10, why should it suddenly be OK to NOT run in F11 ? The funny part of all this is the pulse audio component. Pulse audio seems to be bug ridden. There doesn't seem to be any real documentation for troubleshooting it. And yet one gets chastised if one says they want to remove it and run without it. Oh, yeah... I forgot... Fedora is bleeding edge. The funny thing is that we've been bleeding on the sound card issues since RH8 and there doesn't seem to be any end in sight. And I would hardly call sound systems leading edge in this day and age. When (and how) will this madness end ? Just a couple of points - sound, and pulse audio, work for me out of the box. So I can not do any troubleshooting on it. If you are having problems, are you filing bug reports? Things are NOT going to get fixed if the people having problems do not file a bug report, and provide the needed details. Complaining on this list will will not do much to get the problem fixed. Yes, some people have problems with pulse audio. Some people have problems with ALSA. But without knowing your hardware/software configuration, it is hard to know why. I have a TV card/video card combo that will luck up any system I have tried to use them both in. It does not happen in other combinations. (This appears to be OS and motherboard independent.) How do you test for that if you do not have the same hardware combination. Before you ask, no I have not filed a bug report - I don't consider this a Fedora problem, as it is not limited to Fedora, or even a Linux problem. If anything, the system gets farther booting Fedora then it does booting Windows. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:38 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I've been using Redhat/Fedora since RH8. It seems that every time we get a new version sound gets broken and I have to go through a whole complicated and convoluted troubleshooting sequence to get it running again. snip The way problems get fixed is to have a repeatable installation and a repeatable problem and report to bugzilla so the software developers know that there is a problem, can get information from you as to your hardware, suggest changes and then these changes will be incorporated into the distribution. I reported a bug on the mailing list about 21 months ago and got a response from Chuck Ebbert at redhat that removing pulseaudio is the solution to get sound working: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/rhl-beta-list/2007-October/msg00924.html I tried pulseaudio again each subsequent release and got the same results and then finally filed this bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502380 So far no requests for more information or suggested changes. :( Removal of pulseaudio still works for me, and by the number of complaints I see on mailing lists, I have concluded that pulseaudio doesn't work for a lot of people despite having been included in fedora for nearly 2 years. The problem is that it's becoming increasingly painful to remove pulseaudio because of dependencies. Cheers, David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
Hi; In defence of everybody's position. On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:38 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I've been using Redhat/Fedora since RH8. It seems that every time we get a new version sound gets broken and I have to go through a whole complicated and convoluted troubleshooting sequence to get it running again. Wireless networking used to be like that and now it seems to work release after release. When will sound get the same attention to detail that Wireless got ? And, I remember when every printer setup was a painful loss of hours of fiddling. Sound worked just fine in F8 and F10, after some fiddling, of course. Along comes F11 and I've got nothing, in spite of spending literally days mucking and fiddling around. The pundits say that the problem is my complicated, unsupported sound card (Intel HDA), but it worked just fine in F8 and F10 and it hasn't changed since. If it ran fine in F8 and F10, why should it suddenly be OK to NOT run in F11 ? And, sound worked fine for me until a bought a new computer with PCIe and an internal Intel sound card while in F10. It will all get worked out through the bugzilla process. Just keep plugging away. The funny part of all this is the pulse audio component. Pulse audio seems to be bug ridden. There doesn't seem to be any real documentation for troubleshooting it. And yet one gets chastised if one says they want to remove it and run without it. From reading the submitted bugs, google reports and postings here PulseAudio often gets blamed for bugs that properly lie elsewhere. On the other hand, the PulseAudio maintainers and gnome gui creators do themselves no favours by refusing to write manuals that start at the ground up for sound newbies who are trying to figure out what is going on with their sound system. How can someone confidently submit a bug report with the proper data if they have no idea or have a confused concept of what is happening on their machines? -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 22.3.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 09:58 -0700, Craig White wrote: The way problems get fixed is to have a repeatable installation and a repeatable problem and report to bugzilla so the software developers know that there is a problem, can get information from you as to your hardware, suggest changes and then these changes will be incorporated into the distribution. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=509620 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
Craig White wrote: All software has bugs. Some bugs are worse than others. I have heard many reports of problems with variations of the Intel motherboard audio so I think you are not unique. Part of the problem is that the Intel sound chips are too configurable. If you do not have the correct configuration for the way yours are connected, you are going to have problems. If your motherboard isn't one that the developers know the configuration of, you usually end up having to experiment a bit to get it to work. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 12:50 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Part of the problem is that the Intel sound chips are too configurable. If you do not have the correct configuration for the way yours are connected, you are going to have problems. If your motherboard isn't one that the developers know the configuration of, you usually end up having to experiment a bit to get it to work. Yes, but it worked well in F10. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
2009/7/24 William Case billli...@rogers.com: From reading the submitted bugs, google reports and postings here PulseAudio often gets blamed for bugs that properly lie elsewhere. On the other hand, the PulseAudio maintainers and gnome gui creators do themselves no favours by refusing to write manuals that start at the ground up for sound newbies who are trying to figure out what is going on with their sound system. How can someone confidently submit a bug report with the proper data if they have no idea or have a confused concept of what is happening on their machines? Totally agree with both the points here. I've had a lot of problems with sound myself and disabling pulseaudio gets it working, however that doesn't necessarily mean pulse is at fault. In my case I believe it's the ALSA configuration that is presented to pulse. Bug report here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499435 In the case of my problem, I could probably fix it if I could understand how the audio device config files work but there is very little documentation and the format is quite cryptic, so I've got very little to go on and have to hope that one day the ALSA guys will get around to looking at it. Also, it was working in F10 but not F11 so it's a regression. There's a post in that bug report where it's clear that a change was made that broke support for my sound card. However in F10 I still had pulseaudio problems as the audio was very glitchy. Lennart Poettering was quite helpful providing suggestions, but he suggested that another driver on my system was likely to be at fault and I was unable to figure out if that was the case. Incidentally you do not *need* to remove pulseaudio. You can edit /etc/pulse/client.conf, add a line that says autospawn = no, then do pulseaudio -k. Whilst it may be annoying to have packages installed that aren't being used, it gets around the dependency issue although I believe pulseaudio is quite light on dependencies. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 19:04 +0100, Chris wrote: In the case of my problem, I could probably fix it if I could understand how the audio device config files work but there is very little documentation and the format is quite cryptic, so I've got very little to go on and have to hope that one day the ALSA guys will get around to looking at it. +1! I am totally lost as to how the chain of soundcard - sc driver - alsa - PulseAudio - Phonon, various players + plugins works. Every layer of software is a potential show stopper. While I understand obscuring details from the end user via encapsulation, I think this is getting ridiculous. Too much encapsulation makes troubleshooting very difficult. Is it an alsa or PulseAudio problem ? Or the sound card driver ? Or the plug in ? Also, it was working in F10 but not F11 so it's a regression. My case too. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
On Friday 24 July 2009, William Case wrote: Hi; In defence of everybody's position. [...] From reading the submitted bugs, google reports and postings here PulseAudio often gets blamed for bugs that properly lie elsewhere. On the other hand, the PulseAudio maintainers and gnome gui creators do themselves no favours by refusing to write manuals that start at the ground up for sound newbies who are trying to figure out what is going on with their sound system. How can someone confidently submit a bug report with the proper data if they have no idea or have a confused concept of what is happening on their machines? +1000 Bill Docs and tuts please, or this madness continues essentially forever. Yes, it would be nice to have it Just Work(TM), but until there is enough available info so we can sort this ourselves, how about a script that surveys the system, including the present configuration setup, and mails it to Leenart? His having a good overview of our non-functioning systems would have to be a plus... -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Programming is an unnatural act. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
2009/7/24 Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com: I am totally lost as to how the chain of soundcard - sc driver - alsa - PulseAudio - Phonon, various players + plugins works. I was also lost on this for a long time, however the work I've been doing recently has meant that I've spent quite a bit of time reading up on it and I've got a pretty good idea these days although not so much at the lower level. Maybe I'll try to write something up some time, however I'll need help from those that know the finer details. I've got some spare time next week so I might try to write an article on what I know and see if I can get help with the bits I'm not clear on. If it happens (which it might not!) I'll be sure to post it around in useful places. Also, it was working in F10 but not F11 so it's a regression. My case too. Although very possibly for different reasons. In my case it seems that the same chip (ICE1712) is used in lots of different devices with different capabilities, i.e. some are 2-channel, some are 4-channel, some are 10-channel. Differentiating between them seems to be the problem. In my case it used to work but probably someone with the 10-channel device had problems, filed a bug report, and it was then fixed for him and broken for me. I'm not saying that definitely happened, but it seems to be something along those lines. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Chrischris1.nore...@googlemail.com wrote: Maybe I'll try to write something up some time, however I'll need help from those that know the finer details. I've got some spare time next week so I might try to write an article on what I know and see if I can get help with the bits I'm not clear on. If it happens (which it might not!) I'll be sure to post it around in useful places. I'm sure many will appreciate it if you write something up. Also, it was working in F10 but not F11 so it's a regression. My case too. Although very possibly for different reasons. In my case it seems that the same chip (ICE1712) is used in lots of different devices with different capabilities, i.e. some are 2-channel, some are 4-channel, some are 10-channel. Differentiating between them seems to be the problem. In my case it used to work but probably someone with the 10-channel device had problems, filed a bug report, and it was then fixed for him and broken for me. I'm not saying that definitely happened, but it seems to be something along those lines. This regression issue and the bug fix breakage could be valuable clues to developers, have you filed a bug report about this? As for myself, I have yet to get sound working on F11, although I haven't put too much effort into it, yet. Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
2009/7/24 Mike Williams dmikewilli...@gmail.com: I'm sure many will appreciate it if you write something up. No promises but I've made a note on my ever expanding to-do list. :) This regression issue and the bug fix breakage could be valuable clues to developers, have you filed a bug report about this? Yes, I did a month or two ago. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499435 As for myself, I have yet to get sound working on F11, although I haven't put too much effort into it, yet. I would recommend that first you try disabling, but not un-installing pulseaudio (see my earlier post in this thread on how to do this). Also, don't try the same audio app over and over when you are testing. Different apps work differently. I would suggest you try each of the following: 1. A media player which uses phonon - e.g. amarok. (In this case there are a couple of issues, phonon on linux has two backends - gstreamer and xine.) On my home PC I have problems with the xine backend - yum remove phonon-backend-xine fixes things for me. Also, make sure you've got all the gstreamer plugins installed. That involves installing rpmfusion, doing yum search gstreamer-plugins, and installing at least the good, bad and ugly rpms. 2. A media player which has built-in decoders - e.g. vlc. When I say built-in, it relies on ffmpeg for its decoding AFAIK. 3. The flash plugin within firefox - I don't know what backend it uses but I've found it often works when nothing else does! I'd suggest you try each of those with and without pulseaudio and it might give you some clues as to where the problem is. PITA I know but I've been through it all! :) HTH, Chris. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
6. Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just, works ?
On 07/24/2009 02:06 PM, fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: 2009/7/24 William Casebillli...@rogers.com: From reading the submitted bugs, google reports and postings here PulseAudio often gets blamed for bugs that properly lie elsewhere. On the other hand, the PulseAudio maintainers and gnome gui creators do themselves no favours by refusing to write manuals that start at the ground up for sound newbies who are trying to figure out what is going on with their sound system. How can someone confidently submit a bug report with the proper data if they have no idea or have a confused concept of what is happening on their machines? Totally agree with both the points here. I've had a lot of problems with sound myself and disabling pulseaudio gets it working, however that doesn't necessarily mean pulse is at fault. In my case I believe it's the ALSA configuration that is presented to pulse. Bug report here: Incidentally you do not*need* to remove pulseaudio. You can edit /etc/pulse/client.conf, add a line that says autospawn = no, then do pulseaudio -k. Whilst it may be annoying to have packages installed that aren't being used, it gets around the dependency issue although I believe pulseaudio is quite light on dependencies. The second line of the last paragraph is the single most useful thing I have read about pulseaudio! It is NOT apparent in the minimalist documention of pulse. I have been a linux user since FC5. And I have never been able to get pulse to work, on ANY motherboard/audio chipset. Since pulse + alsa setup is so cryptic and completely undocumented, if there actually are any alsa misconfigurations to my Intel HDA audio chips, I will never know. So I cannot file bug reports. Instead, I have always used the 'wooden-stake+silver-bullet+garlic' method: remove everything! -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: Be regular. Eat cron flakes. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will we ever have an upgrade with sound that just works ?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Chrischris1.nore...@googlemail.com wrote: As for myself, I have yet to get sound working on F11, although I haven't put too much effort into it, yet. I would recommend that first you try disabling, but not un-installing pulseaudio (see my earlier post in this thread on how to do this). Also, don't try the same audio app over and over when you are testing. Different apps work differently. I would suggest you try each of the following: 1. A media player which uses phonon - e.g. amarok. (In this case there are a couple of issues, phonon on linux has two backends - gstreamer and xine.) On my home PC I have problems with the xine backend - yum remove phonon-backend-xine fixes things for me. Also, make sure you've got all the gstreamer plugins installed. That involves installing rpmfusion, doing yum search gstreamer-plugins, and installing at least the good, bad and ugly rpms. 2. A media player which has built-in decoders - e.g. vlc. When I say built-in, it relies on ffmpeg for its decoding AFAIK. 3. The flash plugin within firefox - I don't know what backend it uses but I've found it often works when nothing else does! I'd suggest you try each of those with and without pulseaudio and it might give you some clues as to where the problem is. PITA I know but I've been through it all! :) HTH, Chris. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Thanks for the tips, Chris, I will give them a try next chance I get. Since my F11 box is miles away at the moment it may be a couple days before that happens... Although being methodical can be painful its usually worth it. Cheers, Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
