easiest way to replace hard drive?
Hi all, Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding boot, swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different hard drive, if the new drive is smaller? If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly straightforward way. However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 GB solid-state drive, just for fun... I suspect a re-install might be easier. - Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
> However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 GB > solid-state drive, just for fun... > > I suspect a re-install might be easier. We have used rsync plus grub-install to clone systems before, and it seemed to work fine (if you get the 6 million nit-picky rsync options correct :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
On 10/08/2009 10:18 PM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: I suspect a re-install Reinstallation will be easy .but if there is no any important data on the drive then there is nothing wrong to do a experiment ;-) just look at this [1] [1] http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
On 10/08/2009 09:48 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding > boot, swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different > hard drive, if the new drive is smaller? > > If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly > straightforward way. > > However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 > GB solid-state drive, just for fun... > > I suspect a re-install might be easier. > > - Mike > For me: 1) Shutdown and install the drive 2) Boot LiveCD (I use Ubuntu because "partition manager" is included) 3) Partition new drive with "partition manager" 4) mkdir /mnt/a /mnt/b 5) mount /dev/sdXx /mnt/a (Old) 6) mount /dev/sdYy /mnt/b (New) 7) (a) cp -a /mnt/a/. /mnt/b/. OR (b) rsync -avz /mnt/a/. /mnt/b/. 8) umount /mnt/a /mnt/b 9) Repeat steps 5-8 for each partition to copy over 10) rmdir /mnt/a /mnt/b 11) Relabel each new partitions (Label or UUID), update fstab & grub (if included) 12) execute: grub (a) find /grub/stage1 <-- locate the boot (grub) partitions of all drives seen by the Bios (b) root (hdX,Y) <-- set the root to the new drive's boot partition (c) setup (hdX,Y) <-- sets up the new drives's MBR with root (boot) partition information (d) quit 13) Remove LiveCD & shutdown or reboot 14) Set remove the old drive OR set the BIOS to default to the new drive OR add new drive information to old drive grub Note: The above assumes that new drive has enough space for the data copied over from the old drive partitions as step 7 copies only the data and not the entire partition image. FWIW, Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
On 10/08/2009 09:48 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: Hi all, Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding boot, swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different hard drive, if the new drive is smaller? If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly straightforward way. However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 GB solid-state drive, just for fun... I suspect a re-install might be easier. - Mike gparted (or qtparted) will do what you want. I don't remember if it can resize the partitions as you copy them, but in the worst case you can resize first then copy. or you can use cp -a to copy over all necessary files and run grub-install to restore the grub boot loader if it's installed in MBR (default) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
On 10/08/2009 10:31 AM, Konstantin Svist wrote: > On 10/08/2009 09:48 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding >> boot, swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different >> hard drive, if the new drive is smaller? >> >> If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly >> straightforward way. >> >> However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 >> GB solid-state drive, just for fun... >> >> I suspect a re-install might be easier. >> >> - Mike >> > > gparted (or qtparted) will do what you want. I don't remember if it > can resize the partitions as you copy them, but in the worst case you > can resize first then copy. > > or you can use cp -a to copy over all necessary files and run > grub-install to restore the grub boot loader if it's installed in MBR > (default) > There is a potential problem when using partition resizing - it can mess up the partition tables and render the drive unbootable - need to be careful here, as it "bit me in the a.."! FWIW, Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
On 10/08/2009 09:48 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: Hi all, Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding boot, swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different hard drive, if the new drive is smaller? If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly straightforward way. However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 GB solid-state drive, just for fun... Clonezilla worked like a charm for me, but I was going from a smaller drive to a larger one. I believe that it can handle your situation. -- Joel -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > On 10/08/2009 10:31 AM, Konstantin Svist wrote: > >> On 10/08/2009 09:48 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding >>> boot, swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different >>> hard drive, if the new drive is smaller? >>> >>> If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly >>> straightforward way. >>> >>> However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 >>> GB solid-state drive, just for fun... >>> >>> I suspect a re-install might be easier. >>> >>> - Mike >>> >>> >> gparted (or qtparted) will do what you want. I don't remember if it >> can resize the partitions as you copy them, but in the worst case you >> can resize first then copy. >> >> or you can use cp -a to copy over all necessary files and run >> grub-install to restore the grub boot loader if it's installed in MBR >> (default) >> >> > There is a potential problem when using partition resizing - it can mess > up the partition tables and render the drive unbootable - need to be > careful here, as it "bit me in the a.."! > > FWIW, > Dan > Your easiest option might simply be a "bare metal" backup and restore, backing up from the old drive and restoring to the new. This also may work, but I am pretty sure I am missing at least one important thing that hopefully someone else will point out so that you can use this method: * Set up the drive ahead of time with the same partitions as your existing one, greater than or equal to the existing size of each partition. You may encounter problems if you are going to make any new partition smaller, even if the new one is still large enough to hold all of the data. * Do as Konstantin suggested above to copy the files over and then make GRUB set itself up to hopefully boot the system for you off the new drive. This is off the top of my head so unless you know what you're doing, I wouldn't recommend trying it until a few people have ripped it to pieces and corrected whatever flaws I have missed or inadvertently inserted. No warranties express or implied, and I am not responsible if you foobar your system trying this, etc. etc. -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
Joel Gomberg wrote: > On 10/08/2009 09:48 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding boot, >> swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different hard >> drive, if the new drive is smaller? >> >> If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly straightforward >> way. >> Tools like parted work better - they only copy the data on file systems they know about. But they do not handle LVM yet. They can only do a full copy - about like using dd to copy a partition. >> However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 GB >> solid-state drive, just for fun... > > Clonezilla worked like a charm for me, but I was going from a smaller > drive to a larger one. I believe that it can handle your situation. > It does not handle changing the size of LVM partitions. So you are probably going to be stuck with resizing them first. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
On 10/08/2009 10:47 AM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 10/08/2009 10:31 AM, Konstantin Svist wrote: On 10/08/2009 09:48 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: Hi all, Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding boot, swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different hard drive, if the new drive is smaller? If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly straightforward way. However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 GB solid-state drive, just for fun... I suspect a re-install might be easier. - Mike gparted (or qtparted) will do what you want. I don't remember if it can resize the partitions as you copy them, but in the worst case you can resize first then copy. or you can use cp -a to copy over all necessary files and run grub-install to restore the grub boot loader if it's installed in MBR (default) There is a potential problem when using partition resizing - it can mess up the partition tables and render the drive unbootable - need to be careful here, as it "bit me in the a.."! FWIW, Dan Really? I've never had gparted bite me in the ass like that. Happened a few times with PartitionMagic in the past, though. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
Quoting "Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak" : Hi all, Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding boot, swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different hard drive, if the new drive is smaller? If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly straightforward way. However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 GB solid-state drive, just for fun... I suspect a re-install might be easier. - Mike I would think you would need to do a lvreduce and possibly a vgreduce to get the data portion of the drive under 80GB. From there I think a 'dd' would work just fine. Part-image, as someone else suggested, is also a good choice. It only copies the data portions of the drive leaving the free blocks alone. So it only copies those blocks that have data. Jon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
I would think you would need to do a lvreduce and possibly a vgreduce to get the data portion of the drive under 80GB. From there I think a 'dd' would work just fine. With a resize2fs first, I guess... Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions, everyone! It looks like a minefield, so I'm going to do a fresh install and copy what I need. That way I can fall back to my old hard drive, if need be. - Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
On 10/08/2009 12:13 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote: > On 10/08/2009 10:47 AM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: >> On 10/08/2009 10:31 AM, Konstantin Svist wrote: >> >>> On 10/08/2009 09:48 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: >>> Hi all, Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding boot, swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different hard drive, if the new drive is smaller? If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly straightforward way. However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 GB solid-state drive, just for fun... I suspect a re-install might be easier. - Mike >>> gparted (or qtparted) will do what you want. I don't remember if it >>> can resize the partitions as you copy them, but in the worst case you >>> can resize first then copy. >>> >>> or you can use cp -a to copy over all necessary files and run >>> grub-install to restore the grub boot loader if it's installed in MBR >>> (default) >>> >>> >> There is a potential problem when using partition resizing - it can mess >> up the partition tables and render the drive unbootable - need to be >> careful here, as it "bit me in the a.."! >> >> FWIW, >> Dan >> >> > > Really? > I've never had gparted bite me in the ass like that. Happened a few > times with PartitionMagic in the past, though. > > Yes. What happened was that different resizing and moving partitions around left behind "ghost" table entries and confused certain disk programs but was transparent to fdisk. I was forced to erase the entire drive and lay down the partitions ONCE, and leave it alone. What I decided to do was to set each of my new OS drives in a specific way, every time, allowing for multiple OS installations, planned or not. This was not a problem with older versions of linux distros, but Fedora changed *something* in regards to the anaconda installer and it FAILED to find a SINGLE partition because it "barfed" when it encountered "extraneous" table entries. This happened to me for F10 and for F11. I did not wanted to go through that nightmare again. It is possible there was a bug, but since it happened to me on F10 & F11, this is the course of action that I decided to take, at least, for now. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 12:48:13PM -0400, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 GB > solid-state drive, just for fun... You have an interesting definition of fun... -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: >> I would think you would need to do a lvreduce and possibly a vgreduce to >> get the data portion of the drive under 80GB. From there I think a 'dd' >> would work just fine. > > With a resize2fs first, I guess... > > Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions, everyone! > > It looks like a minefield, so I'm going to do a fresh install and copy what > I need. That way I can fall back to my old hard drive, if need be. > > - Mike _ Why miss the real fun? Try Clonezilla; it can image a drive inside of 20min. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
On 10/08/2009 08:10 PM, Aldo Foot wrote: Why miss the real fun? Try Clonezilla; it can image a drive inside of 20min. But it can not image to a smaller drive, alas. - Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 12:48 -0400, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding > boot, > swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different hard > drive, if the new drive is smaller? > > If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly > straightforward way. Yes and no. dd copies *everything*, including the filesystem superblock, so the larger drive will still think it's the size of the smaller one. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
Try to mount new hd under /media/newhd tar --exclude media/newhd/\* --exclude proc/\* --exclude dev/\* --exclude sys/\* -pcf - ./ | tar -pxvf - -C /media/newhd/ cu Joe On 10/09/2009 04:28 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 12:48 -0400, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding boot, swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different hard drive, if the new drive is smaller? If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly straightforward way. Yes and no. dd copies *everything*, including the filesystem superblock, so the larger drive will still think it's the size of the smaller one. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
