has K3B been abandoned?
K3b is a piece of work... I have 2 CD/DVD burner drives Plextor $120+ Sony $50 Fedora doesn't like the Plextor...I guess after downloading F10 for 9.5 hours, I tried to burn a ISO-DVD. The simplest operation? I wasted 4 blanks making 3 final copies that haved been checked to be good!. The Plextor would get an error and then hang K3B I'd kill it with kill -9 and then the drive would be locked up and even hung the eject command. I had to reboot to open the drive. Sometimes I have to reboot to do a second operation! and even once the "bring things back" facility had the #$%& thing running again. OH YES! an old error reported forever When making an ISO DVD, the verify write facility still doesn't work even on the Sony drive. It says "couldn't find a DVD to verify. Make things easy: if there is an error: (1) release the drive announcing ithat the DVD is no longer blank! (2) eject the DVD (3) terminate all processes and subprocesses that stay running(i.e. die and go away) (4) work on the program some more. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
Fred Silsbee wrote: > K3b is a piece of work... the presence of a bug (arguably here in kernel-space) does not imply abondonment. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 4:33 PM > Fred Silsbee wrote: > > > K3b is a piece of work... > > the presence of a bug (arguably here in kernel-space) does > not imply > abondonment. > > -- Rex > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines The no verify ISO write is very very old! I remember it back when I was reporting to bugzilla! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
Fred Silsbee wrote: >> > K3b is a piece of work... >> >> the presence of a bug (arguably here in kernel-space) does >> not imply abondonment. > The no verify ISO write is very very old! > I remember it back when I was reporting to bugzilla! I'm aware of that. All signs (still) point to a kernel issue, potentially limited to certain brands/models of burners. I can understand the frustration, but I'm failing to see how these recent comments are in any way constructive or leading toward helping find a solution. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 4:50 PM > Fred Silsbee wrote: > > >> > K3b is a piece of work... > >> > >> the presence of a bug (arguably here in > kernel-space) does > >> not imply abondonment. > > > The no verify ISO write is very very old! > > I remember it back when I was reporting to bugzilla! > > I'm aware of that. All signs (still) point to a kernel > issue, potentially > limited to certain brands/models of burners. > > I can understand the frustration, but I'm failing to > see how these recent > comments are in any way constructive or leading toward > helping find a > solution. > > -- Rex > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines happy to discuss off mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
try to run unlimit before running k3b try with a rw disk On 11/26/2008 1:59 PM, Fred Silsbee wrote: K3b is a piece of work... I have 2 CD/DVD burner drives Plextor $120+ Sony $50 Fedora doesn't like the Plextor...I guess after downloading F10 for 9.5 hours, I tried to burn a ISO-DVD. The simplest operation? I wasted 4 blanks making 3 final copies that haved been checked to be good!. The Plextor would get an error and then hang K3B I'd kill it with kill -9 and then the drive would be locked up and even hung the eject command. I had to reboot to open the drive. Sometimes I have to reboot to do a second operation! and even once the "bring things back" facility had the #$%& thing running again. OH YES! an old error reported forever When making an ISO DVD, the verify write facility still doesn't work even on the Sony drive. It says "couldn't find a DVD to verify. Make things easy: if there is an error: (1) release the drive announcing ithat the DVD is no longer blank! (2) eject the DVD (3) terminate all processes and subprocesses that stay running(i.e. die and go away) (4) work on the program some more. -- Itamar Reis Peixoto e-mail/msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sip: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: itamarjp icq: 81053601 +55 11 4063 5033 +55 34 3221 8599 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 07:59 -0800, Fred Silsbee wrote: > K3b is a piece of work... > > I have 2 CD/DVD burner drives > Plextor $120+ > Sony $50 > > Fedora doesn't like the Plextor...I guess > > after downloading F10 for 9.5 hours, I tried to burn a ISO-DVD. > > The simplest operation? > > I wasted 4 blanks making 3 final copies that haved been checked to be good!. > > The Plextor would get an error and then hang K3B I've experienced the same or similar errors with K3B. It used to work properly. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." > > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 6:50 PM > On Wednesday 26 November 2008 16:50:47 Rex Dieter wrote: > > Fred Silsbee wrote: > > >> > K3b is a piece of work... > > >> > > >> the presence of a bug (arguably here in > kernel-space) does > > >> not imply abondonment. > > > > > > The no verify ISO write is very very old! > > > I remember it back when I was reporting to > bugzilla! > > > > I'm aware of that. All signs (still) point to a > kernel issue, potentially > > limited to certain brands/models of burners. > > > That has to be the most likely explanation. Here k3b > verifies on some boxes > but not on others. > > Anne > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines THIS is why I no longer post to bugzilla! Ignore it and it will go away! Anybody else have the iso dvd burn noverify problem? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Wednesday 26 November 2008 16:50:47 Rex Dieter wrote: > Fred Silsbee wrote: > >> > K3b is a piece of work... > >> > >> the presence of a bug (arguably here in kernel-space) does > >> not imply abondonment. > > > > The no verify ISO write is very very old! > > I remember it back when I was reporting to bugzilla! > > I'm aware of that. All signs (still) point to a kernel issue, potentially > limited to certain brands/models of burners. > That has to be the most likely explanation. Here k3b verifies on some boxes but not on others. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Wed November 26 2008 16:50:47 Rex Dieter wrote: > I can understand the frustration, but I'm failing to see how these recent > comments are in any way constructive or leading toward helping find a > solution. > > -- Rex So, we should suffer in silence. Did you know being vocal is a way to vent frustration. ...dex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Wed November 26 2008 15:59:49 Fred Silsbee wrote: > after downloading F10 for 9.5 hours, Downloading on release day is for n00bs, I learnt this some time back! take it some days before or after. ...dex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, dexter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: dexter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." > > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:10 PM > On Wed November 26 2008 16:50:47 Rex Dieter wrote: > > I can understand the frustration, but I'm failing > to see how these recent > > comments are in any way constructive or leading toward > helping find a > > solution. > > > > -- Rex > > So, we should suffer in silence. Did you know being vocal > is a way to vent > frustration. > > ...dex > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines also a way of getting things done...it bothers me when I see people streaming away from Fedora because of something like this yes I've heard it already...Fedora is not for everybody I did a contract job where they had centos...I had never heard of it! It was Fedora after castration! EEE! If there is an error don't lock up my cpu and DVD drive. Problem past! I have 3 good copies (verified several ways) Are you and rex dieter the same guy? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Wed November 26 2008 19:19:06 Fred Silsbee wrote: > Are you and rex dieter the same guy? ha-ha-ha-ha-ha I've been called that before :-) ...DEX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
> K3b is a piece of work... > I have 2 CD/DVD burner drives > Plextor $120+ > Sony $50 > Fedora doesn't like the Plextor...I guess > after downloading F10 for 9.5 hours, I tried to burn a ISO-DVD. > The simplest operation? > I wasted 4 blanks making 3 final copies that haved been checked to be good!. > The Plextor would get an error and then hang K3B > I'd kill it with kill -9 and then the drive would be locked up and even hung > the eject command. > I had to reboot to open the drive. Sometimes I have to reboot to do a second > operation! > and even once the "bring things back" facility had the #$%& thing running > again. > OH YES! an old error reported forever > When making an ISO DVD, the verify write facility still doesn't work > even on the Sony drive. It says "couldn't find a DVD to verify. > Make things easy: if there is an error: > > (1) release the drive announcing ithat the DVD is no longer blank! > (2) eject the DVD > (3) terminate all processes and subprocesses that stay running(i.e. die and > go away) > (4) work on the program some more. try hal-disable-polling to prevent hal from messing with the drive while burning. Konrad -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Konrad Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Konrad Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:58 PM > > K3b is a piece of work... > > I have 2 CD/DVD burner drives > > Plextor $120+ > > Sony $50 > > Fedora doesn't like the Plextor...I guess > > after downloading F10 for 9.5 hours, I tried to burn a > ISO-DVD. > > The simplest operation? > > I wasted 4 blanks making 3 final copies that haved > been checked to be good!. > > The Plextor would get an error and then hang K3B > > I'd kill it with kill -9 and then the drive would > be locked up and even hung the eject command. > > I had to reboot to open the drive. Sometimes I have to > reboot to do a second operation! > > and even once the "bring things back" > facility had the #$%& thing running again. > > OH YES! an old error reported forever > > When making an ISO DVD, the verify write facility > still doesn't work > > even on the Sony drive. It says "couldn't > find a DVD to verify. > > Make things easy: if there is an error: > > > > (1) release the drive announcing ithat the DVD is no > longer blank! > > (2) eject the DVD > > (3) terminate all processes and subprocesses that stay > running(i.e. die and go away) > > (4) work on the program some more. > > try hal-disable-polling to prevent hal from messing with > the drive > while burning. > > Konrad > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines how does one do that...command line bash>hal-disable-polling or bash>hal -disable-polling -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
Fred Silsbee wrote: > THIS is why I no longer post to bugzilla! > Ignore it and it will go away! Relax. No one is ignoring it. It's *hard*. Hard problems take time and energy to solve. Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it. Do you? -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:23 PM > Fred Silsbee wrote: > > > THIS is why I no longer post to bugzilla! > > Ignore it and it will go away! > > Relax. > > No one is ignoring it. It's *hard*. Hard problems > take time and energy to > solve. > > Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it. Do you? > > -- Rex > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Yes! I have dual boot! I'll switch to Bill Gate's XP Prof and do it there sorry to have troubled you! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Fred Silsbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> From: Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? >> To: fedora-list@redhat.com >> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:23 PM >> Fred Silsbee wrote: >> >> > THIS is why I no longer post to bugzilla! >> > Ignore it and it will go away! >> >> Relax. >> >> No one is ignoring it. It's *hard*. Hard problems >> take time and energy to >> solve. >> >> Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it. Do you? >> >> -- Rex >> >> -- >> fedora-list mailing list >> fedora-list@redhat.com >> To unsubscribe: >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list >> Guidelines: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > > Yes! I have dual boot! I'll switch to Bill Gate's XP Prof and do it there > > sorry to have troubled you! I am guessing you don't useful help from others often. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
...sorry about the bad mail formatting, I do copy/paste from the mail archive for the moment. > how does one do that...command line > bash>hal-disable-polling or > bash>hal -disable-polling man hal-disable-polling I did hal-disable-polling --device /dev/dvdrw (writing from memory) the symptoms were: PX716 hanging at the very beginning of the track - I am using it over FireWire or USB, both interfaces failed the same way. Konrad -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Wednesday 26 November 2008 20:15, dexter wrote: > On Wed November 26 2008 15:59:49 Fred Silsbee wrote: > > after downloading F10 for 9.5 hours, > > Downloading on release day is for n00bs, I learnt this some time back! > take it some days before or after. > > ...dex 9.5 hours is peanuts. Try it on dialup. Downloading my 6 cd iso's for F9 took between 12, and 14 days. You need a lot of patience when on dialup. I'm not even considering F10 at the moment. I'll have to psyche myself up once again, before going for the F10 iso downloads. Regarding burning. I've no experience with burning to dvd media, but have read that Plextor optical drives, expensive as they are, do have problems. I always burn to cd at the lowest speed (I did have problems burning at higher speeds with K3b), and havn't had any failures when burning at the lowest burn speeds. You mention that you have 2 burners, the Plextor one, and the Sony one, and when you had the dvd media in the Sony one, K3b couldn't find the media. That's probably no surprise, as K3b's config/preferences is no doubt set to look for media in the block device which is set for the Plextor optical drive. Saying that though, looking at K3b's settings > configure K3b > Devices. It says here. K3b tries to detect all your devices properly. You can add devices that have not been detected, and change the block values by clicking in the list. If K3b is unable to detect your drive, you need to modify their permissions to give K3b write access to all devices. < end quote> Looking at the Devices page on this machine which only has one optical drive, the line, "System device name" says /dev/scd0 (4.0.0). There is an "Add Device" button on the devices page. I'd suggest using that, and entering /dev/scd1, which may well pick up your Sony optical drive. Then (perhaps after a reboot) see if K3b will detect dvd media in your Sony optical drive. Just some thoughts, and only trying to help. Nigel. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Nigel Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Nigel Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." > > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 9:02 PM > On Wednesday 26 November 2008 20:15, dexter wrote: > > On Wed November 26 2008 15:59:49 Fred Silsbee wrote: > > > after downloading F10 for 9.5 hours, > > > > Downloading on release day is for n00bs, I learnt this > some time back! > > take it some days before or after. > > > > ...dex > > 9.5 hours is peanuts. Try it on dialup. Downloading my 6 cd > iso's for F9 took > between 12, and 14 days. You need a lot of patience when on > dialup. > > I'm not even considering F10 at the moment. I'll > have to psyche myself up once > again, before going for the F10 iso downloads. > > Regarding burning. I've no experience with burning to > dvd media, but have read > that Plextor optical drives, expensive as they are, do have > problems. > > I always burn to cd at the lowest speed (I did have > problems burning at higher > speeds with K3b), and havn't had any failures when > burning at the lowest burn > speeds. > > You mention that you have 2 burners, the Plextor one, and > the Sony one, and > when you had the dvd media in the Sony one, K3b > couldn't find the media. > That's probably no surprise, as K3b's > config/preferences is no doubt set to > look for media in the block device which is set for the > Plextor optical > drive. > > Saying that though, looking at K3b's settings > > configure K3b > Devices. It > says here. > > > K3b tries to detect all your devices properly. You can add > devices that have > not been detected, and change the block values by clicking > in the list. If > K3b is unable to detect your drive, you need to modify > their permissions to > give K3b write access to all devices. > < end quote> > > Looking at the Devices page on this machine which only has > one optical drive, > the line, "System device name" says /dev/scd0 > (4.0.0). > > There is an "Add Device" button on the devices > page. I'd suggest using that, > and entering /dev/scd1, which may well pick up your Sony > optical drive. > > Then (perhaps after a reboot) see if K3b will detect dvd > media in your Sony > optical drive. > > Just some thoughts, and only trying to help. > > Nigel. > > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Thanks lots of great ideas! I now remember years ago angry posts somewhere about the failed verify. The verify was not the problem (see original post). The big problem was the locking up of my drive and the ruining of 4 blanks! I had to reboot! If there is an error, kill the whole thing and unlock the drives.OK! The eject even locked up and after I did a kill -9, something was still running as evidenced by GKRellm. I had to reboot! F9 only took 2-3 hours and that is because I waited a few weeks after release. Hey...email me and I'll burn the CDs or DVDs and mail them to you! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
Fred Silsbee wrote: --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:23 PM Fred Silsbee wrote: THIS is why I no longer post to bugzilla! Ignore it and it will go away! Relax. No one is ignoring it. It's *hard*. Hard problems take time and energy to solve. Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it. Do you? -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Yes! I have dual boot! I'll switch to Bill Gate's XP Prof and do it there sorry to have troubled you! Just a quick query ... Why not just bring up nautilus or equiv in KDE, right click .iso, and burn ?? Most folks stopped using K3B when that functionality was added to the file browsers. Good Luck! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Phil Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fred Silsbee wrote: >> >> --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> From: Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? >>> To: fedora-list@redhat.com >>> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:23 PM >>> Fred Silsbee wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> THIS is why I no longer post to bugzilla! >>>> Ignore it and it will go away! >>>> >>> >>> Relax. >>> >>> No one is ignoring it. It's *hard*. Hard problems >>> take time and energy to >>> solve. >>> >>> Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it. Do you? >>> >>> -- Rex >>> >>> -- >>> fedora-list mailing list >>> fedora-list@redhat.com >>> To unsubscribe: >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list >>> Guidelines: >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines >>> >> >> Yes! I have dual boot! I'll switch to Bill Gate's XP Prof and do it there >> >> sorry to have troubled you! >> >> >> >> > > Just a quick query ... > > Why not just bring up nautilus or equiv in KDE, right click .iso, and burn > ?? > > Most folks stopped using K3B when that functionality was added to the file > browsers. > > Good Luck! KDE users use K3B. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:33:21 -0600 Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the presence of a bug (arguably here in kernel-space) does not imply > abondonment. Yea, but there is clearly something strange going on because the latest bug I see is k3b ejecting the media then not being able to reload it, yet on the same system with the same kernel and same drive, the "eject -T" command is perfectly capable of ejecting and closing the tray. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:23:11 -0600 Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it. Do you? Yes: go back to the old dvd drivers which were apparently changed for no reason, because they didn't have this bug, and if the change fixed some other problem it was a much rarer and hard to encounter one, so we are better off with the old bug than the new one :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Tom Horsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Tom Horsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 10:53 PM > On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:23:11 -0600 > Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it. Do > you? > > Yes: go back to the old dvd drivers which were apparently > changed for no reason, because they didn't have this > bug, > and if the change fixed some other problem it was a > much rarer and hard to encounter one, so we are better > off with the old bug than the new one :-). > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines somewhere on today's post I was informed K3B was abandoned due to new features in the file managers. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
Words by Arthur Pemberton [Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 04:49:47PM -0600]: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Phil Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fred Silsbee wrote: > >> > >> --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> > >>> From: Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > >>> To: fedora-list@redhat.com > >>> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:23 PM > >>> Fred Silsbee wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> THIS is why I no longer post to bugzilla! > >>>> Ignore it and it will go away! > >>>> > >>> > >>> Relax. > >>> > >>> No one is ignoring it. It's *hard*. Hard problems > >>> take time and energy to > >>> solve. > >>> > >>> Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it. Do you? > >>> > >>> -- Rex > >>> > >>> -- > >>> fedora-list mailing list > >>> fedora-list@redhat.com > >>> To unsubscribe: > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > >>> Guidelines: > >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > >>> > >> > >> Yes! I have dual boot! I'll switch to Bill Gate's XP Prof and do it there > >> > >> sorry to have troubled you! > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > Just a quick query ... > > > > Why not just bring up nautilus or equiv in KDE, right click .iso, and burn > > ?? > > > > Most folks stopped using K3B when that functionality was added to the file > > browsers. > > > > Good Luck! > > > KDE users use K3B. > Hell. Even Gnome users use K3B. I changed to Gnome some months ago and I can't let go of many KDE apps, K3B has no rival (the other apps are, if you want to know, amarok, digikam and gwenview). -- Jose Celestino | http://japc.uncovering.org/files/japc-pgpkey.asc "One man’s theology is another man’s belly laugh." -- Robert A. Heinlein -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Jose Celestino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hell. Even Gnome users use K3B. I changed to Gnome some months ago TRAITOR!! -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
Words by Arthur Pemberton [Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 06:31:25PM -0600]: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Jose Celestino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hell. Even Gnome users use K3B. I changed to Gnome some months ago > > TRAITOR!! > :) -- Jose Celestino | http://japc.uncovering.org/files/japc-pgpkey.asc "One man’s theology is another man’s belly laugh." -- Robert A. Heinlein -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Jose Celestino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jose Celestino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 12:12 AM > Words by Arthur Pemberton [Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 04:49:47PM > -0600]: > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Phil Meyer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Fred Silsbee wrote: > > >> > > >> --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rex Dieter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> From: Rex Dieter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > > >>> To: fedora-list@redhat.com > > >>> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:23 > PM > > >>> Fred Silsbee wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> THIS is why I no longer post to > bugzilla! > > >>>> Ignore it and it will go away! > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> Relax. > > >>> > > >>> No one is ignoring it. It's *hard*. > Hard problems > > >>> take time and energy to > > >>> solve. > > >>> > > >>> Unfortunately, I don't know how to > fix it. Do you? > > >>> > > >>> -- Rex > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> fedora-list mailing list > > >>> fedora-list@redhat.com > > >>> To unsubscribe: > > >>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > >>> Guidelines: > > >>> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > > >>> > > >> > > >> Yes! I have dual boot! I'll switch to > Bill Gate's XP Prof and do it there > > >> > > >> sorry to have troubled you! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Just a quick query ... > > > > > > Why not just bring up nautilus or equiv in KDE, > right click .iso, and burn > > > ?? > > > > > > Most folks stopped using K3B when that > functionality was added to the file > > > browsers. > > > > > > Good Luck! > > > > > > KDE users use K3B. > > > > Hell. Even Gnome users use K3B. I changed to Gnome some > months ago and I > can't let go of many KDE apps, K3B has no rival (the > other apps are, if > you want to know, amarok, digikam and gwenview). > > -- > Jose Celestino | > http://japc.uncovering.org/files/japc-pgpkey.asc > > "One man’s theology is another man’s belly > laugh." -- Robert A. Heinlein > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: thanks I'll try that! tried Nautilus and had the identical problem -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Wednesday 26 November 2008, Anne Wilson wrote: >On Wednesday 26 November 2008 16:50:47 Rex Dieter wrote: >> Fred Silsbee wrote: >> >> > K3b is a piece of work... >> >> >> >> the presence of a bug (arguably here in kernel-space) does >> >> not imply abondonment. >> > >> > The no verify ISO write is very very old! >> > I remember it back when I was reporting to bugzilla! >> >> I'm aware of that. All signs (still) point to a kernel issue, potentially >> limited to certain brands/models of burners. > >That has to be the most likely explanation. Here k3b verifies on some boxes >but not on others. > Generally, I gave up on asking k3b to verify anything. Why? Because when its about to do the verify read, it ejects the disk and immediately pulls it back in. Then it waits for the disk to be recognized by the drive NOT! At that point it will kick out from the error, no disk in drive. It would be nice if it would then ask you to put the disk back in the drive and click proceed when you have pushed the drawer closed again and given the drive time to recognize the disk as evidenced that the activity led has stopped blinking. ISTR I even filed a bz on that 2, maybe 3 years ago, so far back up the log I expect the bz server has been wiped. I sure don't recall the bz number. And it was never acknowledged either. k3b is a heck of a good proggy, and I fail to see why that hasn't been fixed years ago. New eye candy, re-arrange the menu's etc has been done 2 or 3 times now, but a simple lack of a time delay bug is too much trouble to fix I guess. >Anne -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Dr. Livingston? Dr. Livingston I. Presume? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:51:00 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > Yea, but there is clearly something strange going on > because the latest bug I see is k3b ejecting the media > then not being able to reload it, yet on the same system > with the same kernel and same drive, the "eject -T" > command is perfectly capable of ejecting and closing > the tray. eject uses consolehelper+PAM, k3b doesn't. Opening and closing the tray here has never been a problem. Unless background programs accessed the disc and blocked it temporarily. However, what likely got lost in bugzilla noise (#440343) is the difference in k3b's debug output compared with the older working kernel. Perhaps there's interference with other components that try to detect and auto-mount the disc as soon as it's being reloaded. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Thursday 27 November 2008 05:07:21 Gene Heskett wrote: > Generally, I gave up on asking k3b to verify anything. Why? Because when > its about to do the verify read, it ejects the disk and immediately pulls > it back in. Then it waits for the disk to be recognized by the drive NOT! Again, it depends on the drive. That happens on some of my boxes but not all of them. For ISOs, though, it's just as easy to do an md5sum (or sha1sum if you prefer it). Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Thursday 27 November 2008 10:21:18 Ed Greshko wrote: > > > > Please trim your replies. 9.2MB to add two lines is not fair to those > > who pay by the byte, or who have low capped connections. > > 9.2MB? What got added to that message on your system? The previous > message only came to 6KB on my system. Apologies - KB, not MB, but the principle remains. The previous message was indeed 5.9KB, but the previous one from Fred was 8.3. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
Anne Wilson wrote: > On Thursday 27 November 2008 01:32:53 Fred Silsbee wrote: >> thanks I'll try that! >> >> tried Nautilus and had the identical problem > > That rules out a KDE problem then. > > Please trim your replies. 9.2MB to add two lines is not fair to those who > pay > by the byte, or who have low capped connections. 9.2MB? What got added to that message on your system? The previous message only came to 6KB on my system. -- Remember the... the... uhh. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Thursday 27 November 2008 01:32:53 Fred Silsbee wrote: > thanks I'll try that! > > tried Nautilus and had the identical problem That rules out a KDE problem then. Please trim your replies. 9.2MB to add two lines is not fair to those who pay by the byte, or who have low capped connections. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:12:11 +, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Thursday 27 November 2008 05:07:21 Gene Heskett wrote: > > Generally, I gave up on asking k3b to verify anything. Why? Because when > > its about to do the verify read, it ejects the disk and immediately pulls > > it back in. Then it waits for the disk to be recognized by the drive NOT! > > Again, it depends on the drive. That happens on some of my boxes but not all > of them. For ISOs, though, it's just as easy to do an md5sum (or sha1sum if > you prefer it). Timing issues with different drive hardware seem to be an issue indeed. Some drives take a long time to reload the tray and examine the disc. Other drives are quick at that. As mentioned in bz #440343 I can verify ISOs in k3b just fine _if_ burning CDs or CD-RWs. Only temporarily it was broken just as with DVDs. Meanwhile I burn on a different Linux platform. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Thursday 27 November 2008, Anne Wilson wrote: >On Thursday 27 November 2008 05:07:21 Gene Heskett wrote: >> Generally, I gave up on asking k3b to verify anything. Why? Because when >> its about to do the verify read, it ejects the disk and immediately pulls >> it back in. Then it waits for the disk to be recognized by the drive NOT! > >Again, it depends on the drive. That happens on some of my boxes but not > all of them. For ISOs, though, it's just as easy to do an md5sum (or > sha1sum if you prefer it). > >Anne Anne, I have never had a drive, and by now I've had 7 or 8 of them hit the bin, a computer compatible cd or dvd drive that recognized a disk in under 30 seconds. The current one in this box is: scsi 6:0:1:0: CD-ROMHP DVD Writer 1040d EH24 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 and it take it about 45 seconds to read and register a disk before it is accessible to mount it, and has done that since day one. It claims to be a 16x drive, but at 16x the recording can't be seen and isn't readable later, so I run it at 4x and it leaves a nicely visible recorded area that reads in any other dvd. I just installed the F9 respin on an older hp box, and the dvd reader in it, the OEM RO drive hp puts in at the factory, takes over a minute when booted to the install disk in order that the diskcheck function of the install disk can run. I put one of my original but slow dvd writers in the box that runs my milling machine, and it has always taken 40 some seconds to become ready for outside access when a disk is inserted. Some older cd readers may do that in 10 seconds, but I've never had one faster than that unless it was some specialty thing in the bottom of a tv. But those are stripped, emasculated versions, one Magnavox a neighbor owns can't even play a vcd I'd made of their daughters wedding. I tried several different video recording formats before I hit one that player could handle. But, it was ready in just 4 or 5 seconds. Sometimes simple is faster. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) F: When into a room I plunge, I Sometimes find some VIOLET FUNGI. Then I linger, darkly brooding On the poison they're exuding. -- The Roguelet's ABC -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
turns out Nautilus has the identical problems so K3B is not the culprit I'm sending the plextor to the factory. Repeating: even after killing (-9) K3B, something keeps running (GKRellm) and a reboot is required. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Michael Schwendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Michael Schwendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 1:02 PM > On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:12:11 +, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > On Thursday 27 November 2008 05:07:21 Gene Heskett > wrote: > > > Generally, I gave up on asking k3b to verify > anything. Why? Because when > > > its about to do the verify read, it ejects the > disk and immediately pulls > > > it back in. Then it waits for the disk to be > recognized by the drive NOT! > > > > Again, it depends on the drive. That happens on some > of my boxes but not all > > of them. For ISOs, though, it's just as easy to > do an md5sum (or sha1sum if > > you prefer it). > > Timing issues with different drive hardware seem to be an > issue indeed. > Some drives take a long time to reload the tray and examine > the disc. > Other drives are quick at that. > > As mentioned in bz #440343 I can verify ISOs in k3b just > fine _if_ burning > CDs or CD-RWs. Only temporarily it was broken just as with > DVDs. Meanwhile > I burn on a different Linux platform. > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines turns out K3B is not the culprit Nautilus shows identical problems -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Michael Schwendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Michael Schwendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 10:05 AM > On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:51:00 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > > > Yea, but there is clearly something strange going on > > because the latest bug I see is k3b ejecting the media > > then not being able to reload it, yet on the same > system > > with the same kernel and same drive, the "eject > -T" > > command is perfectly capable of ejecting and closing > > the tray. > > eject uses consolehelper+PAM, k3b doesn't. > > Opening and closing the tray here has never been a problem. > Unless > background programs accessed the disc and blocked it > temporarily. > > However, what likely got lost in bugzilla noise (#440343) > is the > difference in k3b's debug output compared with the > older working > kernel. Perhaps there's interference with other > components that > try to detect and auto-mount the disc as soon as it's > being reloaded. > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines I had the identical problem with Nautilus so K3B is NOT the problem sending my Plextor back to the factory. Repeating: after killing K3B or after Nautilus hangs, something is still using the CPU (GKRellm) green and orange -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." > > Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 5:07 AM > On Wednesday 26 November 2008, Anne Wilson wrote: > >On Wednesday 26 November 2008 16:50:47 Rex Dieter > wrote: > >> Fred Silsbee wrote: > >> >> > K3b is a piece of work... > >> >> > >> >> the presence of a bug (arguably here in > kernel-space) does > >> >> not imply abondonment. > >> > > >> > The no verify ISO write is very very old! > >> > I remember it back when I was reporting to > bugzilla! > >> > >> I'm aware of that. All signs (still) point to > a kernel issue, potentially > >> limited to certain brands/models of burners. > > > >That has to be the most likely explanation. Here k3b > verifies on some boxes > >but not on others. > > > Generally, I gave up on asking k3b to verify anything. > Why? Because when its > about to do the verify read, it ejects the disk and > immediately pulls it back > in. Then it waits for the disk to be recognized by the > drive NOT! At that > point it will kick out from the error, no disk in drive. > It would be nice if > it would then ask you to put the disk back in the drive and > click proceed > when you have pushed the drawer closed again and given the > drive time to > recognize the disk as evidenced that the activity led has > stopped blinking. > > ISTR I even filed a bz on that 2, maybe 3 years ago, so far > back up the log I > expect the bz server has been wiped. I sure don't > recall the bz number. And > it was never acknowledged either. > > k3b is a heck of a good proggy, and I fail to see why that > hasn't been fixed > years ago. New eye candy, re-arrange the menu's etc > has been done 2 or 3 > times now, but a simple lack of a time delay bug is too > much trouble to fix I > guess. > > >Anne > > > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of > liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that > order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > Dr. Livingston? > Dr. Livingston I. Presume? > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines same bug for years I had the identical problem with Nautilus so K3B is not the problem strange : after killing (kill -9) K3B or Nautilus, something is still running in the CPU -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:08:07 -0800 (PST), Fred Silsbee wrote: > turns out K3B is not the culprit > > Nautilus shows identical problems HAL is not influencing this either. Just burnt six CD-RWs on F-9 ( kernel-2.6.27.5-41.fc9 ) and for all of them, the verification step in k3b found that the written image differed from the original. Manually verifying the written images (with readcd and sha1sum) was successful as always. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Thursday 27 November 2008 20:01:35 Michael Schwendt wrote: > Just burnt six CD-RWs on F-9 ( kernel-2.6.27.5-41.fc9 ) and for all of > them, the verification step in k3b found that the written image differed > from the original. Manually verifying the written images (with readcd and > sha1sum) was successful as always. I can confirm that behaviour - I burned an ISO last week where the verify appeared to complete, but fail, and md5sum and sha1sum said it was fine. I didn't check whether a bug report has been generated for that. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Michael Schwendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Michael Schwendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 8:01 PM > On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:08:07 -0800 (PST), Fred Silsbee > wrote: > > > turns out K3B is not the culprit > > > > Nautilus shows identical problems > > HAL is not influencing this either. > > Just burnt six CD-RWs on F-9 ( kernel-2.6.27.5-41.fc9 ) and > for all of > them, the verification step in k3b found that the written > image differed > from the original. Manually verifying the written images > (with readcd and > sha1sum) was successful as always. > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines I usually don't have the problem on CDs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 09:48 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > I have never had a drive, and by now I've had 7 or 8 of them hit the > bin, a computer compatible cd or dvd drive that recognized a disk in > under 30 seconds. I can't say that I've timed them, but I'd guess my experience is getting close to that. Most drives are slow to figure out that there's a disc in, spin up, find out what type, and then the OS has to periodically probe the drive to see if it's not empty (there's a hardware disc change flag, but I'm told it's rarely made use of, where the drive tells the system there's been a disc change). The best drive I've got is an older, 6x spin speed, SCSI CD-ROM. It's faster to get going, is faster to restart after it's gone idle for a moment, and very fast to seek across the drive. Because of that, for many things it's quicker to use than a faster spin speed drive. Of course it was a damn expensive drive, and none of my current systems have a SCSI host. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.5-41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Friday 28 November 2008, Tim wrote: >On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 09:48 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: >> I have never had a drive, and by now I've had 7 or 8 of them hit the >> bin, a computer compatible cd or dvd drive that recognized a disk in >> under 30 seconds. > >I can't say that I've timed them, but I'd guess my experience is getting >close to that. Most drives are slow to figure out that there's a disc >in, spin up, find out what type, and then the OS has to periodically >probe the drive to see if it's not empty (there's a hardware disc change >flag, but I'm told it's rarely made use of, where the drive tells the >system there's been a disc change). > >The best drive I've got is an older, 6x spin speed, SCSI CD-ROM. It's >faster to get going, is faster to restart after it's gone idle for a >moment, and very fast to seek across the drive. Because of that, for >many things it's quicker to use than a faster spin speed drive. Of >course it was a damn expensive drive, and none of my current systems >have a SCSI host. > Pursuant to my long time bitch about k3b not waiting for the drive to accept the disk, I ran thru my services and stopped anything that looked like a bus scanner, then tested it by inserting a good dvd to see what the system did. Nothing, not even a log entry. So I then used k3b to burn the F10-i386-DVD.iso and told it to verify. Of course it failed the verify, pulled the disk back in and reported "no media" about .2 seconds or less from the drawer closing. I stopped k3b, and did this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora-10-i386-DVD]# dd if=/dev/sr0|sha1sum -c SHA1SUM Fedora-10-i386-DVD.iso: OK So once again all the other excuses, having been removed from the scene, are proven to just excuses, k3b needs fixed. And it should be using sha1sum too. Somebody said konqueror had that built in, but I looked its menu's over without seeing that. How does one enable this? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him. - Fyodor Dostoevski -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So once again all the other excuses, having been removed from the scene, are > proven to just excuses, k3b needs fixed. And it should be using sha1sum too. Somebody tried this with Nautilus and had the same problem. Singling out the wrong component and blaming a bug on it isn't going to help. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
| From: Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora-10-i386-DVD]# dd if=/dev/sr0|sha1sum -c SHA1SUM | Fedora-10-i386-DVD.iso: OK [Spaces around the pipe symbol would help readability. Partly because at least some fonts don't make that glyph very distinct.] I don't think that that pipeline did what you think that did. The dd command piped the raw disk contents to sha1sum (as you expect). The sha1sum command ignored its standard input and checked .iso files named within the SHA1SUM file (surprise!). The current working directory had those .iso files. Try the same pipeline from within another directory and you will see what I'm talking about. So your disk was not checked. But there is a better way to verify: just do a cmp between the raw disk and the .iso file. Why is this better? Because you can tell cmp how many bytes to read from the raw disk. Remember, the raw disk read may appear to have more bytes than the .iso, and those bytes should be ignored: EOF is not well defined on a raw disk. This could also trip up k3b (speculation on my part). I use a script called "isoburn" for this stuff. There are two relevant features of this script: - when burning, it pads the file. Otherwise, on some drives, the kernel will generate read errors when a program tries to read near the end of the burned part (the kernel does a read-ahead past the end and gets upset when the drive gives an error). - when verifying, it does a cmp with the actual proper length filled in. This uses a feature of GNU cmp not documented in the man page. Damn GNU's contempt for man pages. Here, in essence, is how the verify works (replace file.iso with the pathname of the .iso file): cmp --bytes `isosize file.iso` file.iso /dev/sr0 | So once again all the other excuses, having been removed from the scene, are | proven to just excuses, k3b needs fixed. And it should be using sha1sum too. I never use k3b's verify anyway. I'm too impatient to let it complete the calculation of the hash of the .iso file. k3b seems to forget that the hash is wrong (not completely calculated) and thus the subsequent verification is reported as failing rather than being impossible to perform. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:48:40 -0500 (EST), D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I never use k3b's verify anyway. I'm too impatient to let it complete > the calculation of the hash of the .iso file. k3b seems to forget > that the hash is wrong (not completely calculated) and thus the > subsequent verification is reported as failing rather than being > impossible to perform. Another bug? Interesting. Is this in bugzilla (also upstream) already? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Monday 01 December 2008, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >| From: Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >| >| [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora-10-i386-DVD]# dd if=/dev/sr0|sha1sum -c SHA1SUM >| Fedora-10-i386-DVD.iso: OK > >[Spaces around the pipe symbol would help readability. Partly because >at least some fonts don't make that glyph very distinct.] > >I don't think that that pipeline did what you think that did. > >The dd command piped the raw disk contents to sha1sum (as you expect). > >The sha1sum command ignored its standard input and checked .iso files >named within the SHA1SUM file (surprise!). > >The current working directory had those .iso files. Try the same >pipeline from within another directory and you will see what I'm >talking about. > >So your disk was not checked. > >But there is a better way to verify: just do a cmp between the raw >disk and the .iso file. > >Why is this better? Because you can tell cmp how many bytes to read >from the raw disk. Remember, the raw disk read may appear to have >more bytes than the .iso, and those bytes should be ignored: EOF is >not well defined on a raw disk. This could also trip up k3b >(speculation on my part). > >I use a script called "isoburn" for this stuff. There are two >relevant features of this script: > >- when burning, it pads the file. Otherwise, on some drives, the > kernel will generate read errors when a program tries to read near > the end of the burned part (the kernel does a read-ahead past the > end and gets upset when the drive gives an error). > >- when verifying, it does a cmp with the actual proper length filled > in. This uses a feature of GNU cmp not documented in the man page. > Damn GNU's contempt for man pages. > >Here, in essence, is how the verify works (replace file.iso with the >pathname of the .iso file): > cmp --bytes `isosize file.iso` file.iso /dev/sr0 I'd forgotten to divide the size of the iso by 2048 to get the number of blocks dd should read. If left to its own devices it reads 2 too many and the sum is wrong. Doing it this way, the sum is correct on both disks I've now burnt: [EMAIL PROTECTED] misc]# dd if=/dev/sr0 bs=2048 count=1788366 | sha1sum 1788366+0 records in 1788366+0 records out 3662573568 bytes (3.7 GB) copied, 252.066 s, 14.5 MB/s 086fd570518ac58d3966c43c1b6d146e38919d8d - >From the SHA1SUM file: 086fd570518ac58d3966c43c1b6d146e38919d8d *Fedora-10-i386-DVD.iso >From the second disk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] misc]# dd if=/dev/sr0 bs=2048 count=1788366 | sha1sum 1788366+0 records in 1788366+0 records out 086fd570518ac58d3966c43c1b6d146e38919d8d - 3662573568 bytes (3.7 GB) copied, 246.414 s, 14.9 MB/s So they all match. An FU8 dvd boots, an FU9 dvd boots (its installed now), a Ubuntu-8.04 cd boots, but these F10-i386-DVD dvd's are ignored, no change in the bios settings. Is iso-linux linked wrong or what? >| So once again all the other excuses, having been removed from the scene, >| are proven to just excuses, k3b needs fixed. And it should be using >| sha1sum too. Which I will keep hammering on till it does work again, it did once, early in its history. k3b worked fine when I was running Fedora 2. But it hasn't worked since. >I never use k3b's verify anyway. I'm too impatient to let it complete >the calculation of the hash of the .iso file. k3b seems to forget >that the hash is wrong (not completely calculated) and thus the >subsequent verification is reported as failing rather than being >impossible to perform. Apparently the authors don't use it either.. Sad. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Your own qualities will help prevent your advancement in the world. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
On Monday 01 December 2008, Michael Schwendt wrote: >On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:48:40 -0500 (EST), D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >> I never use k3b's verify anyway. I'm too impatient to let it complete >> the calculation of the hash of the .iso file. k3b seems to forget >> that the hash is wrong (not completely calculated) and thus the >> subsequent verification is reported as failing rather than being >> impossible to perform. > >Another bug? Interesting. >Is this in bugzilla (also upstream) already? I think the md5sum it calculates is correct, but it does not remember how many bytes to check on the disk check, so like I just demoed with dd, you have to divide the iso's size by 2048, and tell dd to read count blocks of 2048 bytes. Then, as I just demoed with dd and sha1sum, it Just Works(TM). If left to its own devices, dd reads 2 blocks too many and the sum is then contaminated by the extra data. k3b worked fine back at F2, but hasn't worked since, and the first problem now is that it doesn't wait for the drive to recognize the disk after it is pulled back in, and instead reports instantly that there is no media available. I know enough C to be dangerous, but much of k3b is in C++ and I've never been able to get my aged wet ram wrapped around C++, or I would have fixed it. At least 2 years ago. And yes, it was bz'd and close with a won't fix, long enough back up the log I have NDI what the number may have been. 2-3 years ago anyway. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) General Protection Fault! [ Ignore ] [ Reboot ] [ Install Linux ] -- From a Slashdot.org post -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
I hope it's still supported...It recognizes my CD & DVD-R runs great on CentOS5 (close to RHEL5) # uname -r 2.6.18-92.1.22.el5 and puts a Blank DVD-R Dicc icon on the Desktop I trying to get MongoArchive to backup my new, clean installation but it's wimmy scripts can't find my DVD drive, because it looks like it doesn't show up in a grep of the mount command or a mount on /mnt/cdrom and is not auto-mounted. My /etc/fstab: # /dev/hdc /media/cdrom auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/hdd /media/cdrecorder auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 How does K3B find the DVD drive in my case /dev/hdd? thanks, -Frank -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/has-K3B-been-abandoned--tp1581287p2380473.html Sent from the fedora mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
bennett78 wrote: I hope it's still supported...It recognizes my CD & DVD-R runs great on CentOS5 (close to RHEL5) # uname -r 2.6.18-92.1.22.el5 and puts a Blank DVD-R Dicc icon on the Desktop I trying to get MongoArchive to backup my new, clean installation but it's wimmy scripts can't find my DVD drive, because it looks like it doesn't show up in a grep of the mount command or a mount on /mnt/cdrom and is not auto-mounted. My /etc/fstab: # /dev/hdc /media/cdrom auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/hdd /media/cdrecorder auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 How does K3B find the DVD drive in my case /dev/hdd? thanks, -Frank I used k3b last night on F10. Only one issue and that is a reported upstream bug with verify and auto-eject. It seems that k3b isn't waiting until the disk is settled before trying to access it with some burners. A disk isn't mounted when it is inserted if it is blank. In KDE, I get asked what to do with a full disk. Last night I was playing with burning and to test the DVD image, I ended up using /dev/sr0. -- Robin Laing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
