Re: scim - Fedora 11

2009-09-28 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 13:59 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
 Craig White wrote:
  On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 12:00 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

  Craig White wrote:
  
  ibus however worked right away in most everything. I deleted my symbolic
  link from scim.conf = ~/.xinputrc and replaced it with ibus.conf and am
  going to log out now but I think this will be more than sufficient.
 
  ;-)


  Yeah  I'm probably going to stick with ibus going forward.  I may
  play with scim to see if I can get it working it I have time..
  
  
  OK but I am confused. ibus looks really simple and seems to work but I
  am too stupid to know if it is simplified (what I want) or traditional
  (I think what you want) and I can't tell and I can't see any way to
  communicate this to ibus.
 
  Do you have any idea? Does ibus give you traditional?
 

 Unless you have installed other input methods for Chinese use PinYin and
 you will get Simplified Chinese.
 
 For example, if I use PinYin to enter my wife's family name I would get
 杨 as one of the choices.  This is equivalent to 楊 which you'd get by,
 for example, using Chewing.

OK - I am just paranoid then because I am used to everything always
telling me exactly which Chinese character set [simplified|traditional]
and ibus doesn't give me any hints.

I thought you were in Taiwan? Don't you use traditional?

Craig


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Re: scim - Fedora 11

2009-09-28 Thread Ed Greshko
Craig White wrote:
 On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 13:59 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
   
 Craig White wrote:
 
 On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 12:00 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
   
   
 Craig White wrote:
 
 
 ibus however worked right away in most everything. I deleted my symbolic
 link from scim.conf = ~/.xinputrc and replaced it with ibus.conf and am
 going to log out now but I think this will be more than sufficient.

 ;-)
   
   
   
 Yeah  I'm probably going to stick with ibus going forward.  I may
 play with scim to see if I can get it working it I have time..
 
 
 
 OK but I am confused. ibus looks really simple and seems to work but I
 am too stupid to know if it is simplified (what I want) or traditional
 (I think what you want) and I can't tell and I can't see any way to
 communicate this to ibus.

 Do you have any idea? Does ibus give you traditional?

   
   
 Unless you have installed other input methods for Chinese use PinYin and
 you will get Simplified Chinese.

 For example, if I use PinYin to enter my wife's family name I would get
 杨 as one of the choices.  This is equivalent to 楊 which you'd get by,
 for example, using Chewing.
 
 
 OK - I am just paranoid then because I am used to everything always
 telling me exactly which Chinese character set [simplified|traditional]
 and ibus doesn't give me any hints.

 I thought you were in Taiwan? Don't you use traditional?

   
Yes, I'm in Taiwan.  And, yes, I use traditional98% of the time.  
Need to deal with simplified from time to time.

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Re: scim - Fedora 11

2009-09-28 Thread Ding Yi Chen

- Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote:

 Craig White wrote:
  On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 13:59 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

  
  OK - I am just paranoid then because I am used to everything always
  telling me exactly which Chinese character set
 [simplified|traditional]
  and ibus doesn't give me any hints.
 
  I thought you were in Taiwan? Don't you use traditional?
 

 Yes, I'm in Taiwan.  And, yes, I use traditional98% of the time. 
 
 Need to deal with simplified from time to time.
 
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Re: scim - Fedora 11

2009-09-28 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 19:57 -0400, Ding Yi Chen wrote:
 - Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote:
 
  Craig White wrote:
   On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 13:59 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
 
   
   OK - I am just paranoid then because I am used to everything always
   telling me exactly which Chinese character set
  [simplified|traditional]
   and ibus doesn't give me any hints.
  
   I thought you were in Taiwan? Don't you use traditional?
  
 
  Yes, I'm in Taiwan.  And, yes, I use traditional98% of the time. 
  
  Need to deal with simplified from time to time.
  
 
 My bad, I should have implement that in ibus-chewing as soon as possible.

thanks Ding Yi

so far, I am happy with ibus and it seems to be what I was looking for.
One of the reasons I upgraded from Fedora 10 to Fedora 11 was that I was
having too many race conditions with akregator on F10 when I had scim
running. I never could produce a reasonable bug report.

When I went to F11, scim seemed to be only moderately functional in some
applications but ibus seems much cleaner and simpler...but I am only
barely functional in Chinese so I do not know that I can provide
meaningful feedback.

Craig


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scim - Fedora 11

2009-09-27 Thread Craig White
Maybe it's me and my lack of understanding about this but it seems that
since I updated to Fedora 11, that scim-python works only in KDE
programs like Kwrite, Konsole but not in gnome (evolution, pidgin, OOo).

No matter what I do in those 3 programs, I only have English for input
language, even if the SCIM icon in the system tray shows 'Python Pin
Yin'

$ rpm -qa|grep scim
scim-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586
scim-python-pinyin-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586
scim-libs-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586
scim-python-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586

$ rpm -qa|grep zh
autocorr-zh-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586
openoffice.org-langpack-zh_CN-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586

Am I missing something? Is there a gnome package that's needed?

I don't mean to make this a question for Ed. ;-)

Craig


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Re: scim - Fedora 11

2009-09-27 Thread Ed Greshko
Craig White wrote:
 Maybe it's me and my lack of understanding about this but it seems that
 since I updated to Fedora 11, that scim-python works only in KDE
 programs like Kwrite, Konsole but not in gnome (evolution, pidgin, OOo).

 No matter what I do in those 3 programs, I only have English for input
 language, even if the SCIM icon in the system tray shows 'Python Pin
 Yin'

 $ rpm -qa|grep scim
 scim-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586
 scim-python-pinyin-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586
 scim-libs-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586
 scim-python-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586

 $ rpm -qa|grep zh
 autocorr-zh-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586
 openoffice.org-langpack-zh_CN-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586

 Am I missing something? Is there a gnome package that's needed?

 I don't mean to make this a question for Ed. ;-)

   
I've been using/testing ibus since I've heard it may be the replacement
for SCIM

Anyway, I installed SCIM and it all works fine for me in  GNOME.  But, I
screwed up and installed everything (like I normally do) and not just
the packages you've indicated.

You may want to try installing the scim-bridge* packages and then go
through the exercise of setting the input method.

Under GNOME the following environment variables are set

[egres...@f11 ~]$ env | grep -i im
IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes
IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM
QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge
xmodifie...@im=scim

I seem to have run into one issue  SCIM won't run in KDE with both
ibus and scim installedor so it seems.  But, both and coexist when
GNOME.  I'm running kdm instead of gdm...not sure if that is having an
influence.


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Re: scim - Fedora 11

2009-09-27 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
 Craig White wrote:
  Maybe it's me and my lack of understanding about this but it seems that
  since I updated to Fedora 11, that scim-python works only in KDE
  programs like Kwrite, Konsole but not in gnome (evolution, pidgin, OOo).
 
  No matter what I do in those 3 programs, I only have English for input
  language, even if the SCIM icon in the system tray shows 'Python Pin
  Yin'
 
  $ rpm -qa|grep scim
  scim-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586
  scim-python-pinyin-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586
  scim-libs-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586
  scim-python-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586
 
  $ rpm -qa|grep zh
  autocorr-zh-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586
  openoffice.org-langpack-zh_CN-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586
 
  Am I missing something? Is there a gnome package that's needed?
 
  I don't mean to make this a question for Ed. ;-)
 

 I've been using/testing ibus since I've heard it may be the replacement
 for SCIM
 
 Anyway, I installed SCIM and it all works fine for me in  GNOME.  But, I
 screwed up and installed everything (like I normally do) and not just
 the packages you've indicated.
 
 You may want to try installing the scim-bridge* packages and then go
 through the exercise of setting the input method.
 
 Under GNOME the following environment variables are set
 
 [egres...@f11 ~]$ env | grep -i im
 IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes
 IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM
 QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge
 xmodifie...@im=scim
 
 I seem to have run into one issue  SCIM won't run in KDE with both
 ibus and scim installedor so it seems.  But, both and coexist when
 GNOME.  I'm running kdm instead of gdm...not sure if that is having an
 influence.

I did not install any ibus rpms. I added scim-bridge, scim-bridge-gtk,
scim-bridge-qt scim-lang-chinese which also added scim-tables. But I get
an error after logging out and logging back in. I too am using kdm 
KDE. I am guessing that your thinking that SCIM won't run in KDE with
both ibus and scim installed is not really the issue. It appears that
SCIM doesn't like this setup in KDE at all.

and relevant sections in ~/.imsettings.log seem to be...

imsettings information
==  
  
Is DBus enabled:yes
Is imsettings enabled:no
Is GTK+ supported:no
Is Qt supported:no
DESKTOP_SESSION: kde
DISABLE_IMSETTINGS: 1
IMSETTINGS_DISABLE_DESKTOP_CHECK:   
  
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS:
unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-X1xhCh5tlb,guid=aba893e1370d37c45223063e4ac022a2

GTK_IM_MODULE: scim-bridge
QT_IM_MODULE: scim-bridge
XMODIFIERS: @im=SCIM
IMSETTINGS_MODULE: SCIM
IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP: yes

IM-Settings-Daemon[30075]: WARNING **: Main Input Method process for
SCIM died with the status 1, but unexpectedly. restarting...
IM-Settings-Daemon[30075]: INFO: Started SCIM: process: /usr/bin/scim ,
lang=en_US.UTF-8, pid: 30237, id: 37, time: 2009-09-28T02:43:32.092877Z
SCIM[30237]: Smart Common Input Method 1.4.8
SCIM[30237]: Launching a SCIM process with x11...
SCIM[30237]:
SCIM[30237]: Loading socket Config module ...
SCIM[30237]: Creating backend ...
SCIM[30237]: Loading x11 FrontEnd module ...
SCIM[30237]: Failed to load x11 FrontEnd module.
SCIM[30237]: SCIM has exited abnormally.


So I looked...
$ env |grep -i im
IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes
IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM
QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge
xmodifie...@im=scim
GTK_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge
DISABLE_IMSETTINGS=1

and I adjusted
[cr...@lin-workstation ~]$ export DISABLE_IMSETTINGS=0
[cr...@lin-workstation ~]$ env |grep -i im
IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes
IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM
QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge
xmodifie...@im=scim
GTK_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge
DISABLE_IMSETTINGS=0

but still an issue...
[cr...@lin-workstation ~]$ scim -d
Smart Common Input Method 1.4.8

Launching a SCIM process with x11...
Loading socket Config module ...
Creating backend ...
Loading x11 FrontEnd module ...
Failed to load x11 FrontEnd module.
Failed to launch SCIM.

So I'm sort of scratching my head here.

Craig


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Re: scim - Fedora 11

2009-09-27 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 20:25 -0700, Craig White wrote:
 On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
  Craig White wrote:
   Maybe it's me and my lack of understanding about this but it seems that
   since I updated to Fedora 11, that scim-python works only in KDE
   programs like Kwrite, Konsole but not in gnome (evolution, pidgin, OOo).
  
   No matter what I do in those 3 programs, I only have English for input
   language, even if the SCIM icon in the system tray shows 'Python Pin
   Yin'
  
   $ rpm -qa|grep scim
   scim-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586
   scim-python-pinyin-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586
   scim-libs-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586
   scim-python-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586
  
   $ rpm -qa|grep zh
   autocorr-zh-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586
   openoffice.org-langpack-zh_CN-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586
  
   Am I missing something? Is there a gnome package that's needed?
  
   I don't mean to make this a question for Ed. ;-)
  
 
  I've been using/testing ibus since I've heard it may be the replacement
  for SCIM
  
  Anyway, I installed SCIM and it all works fine for me in  GNOME.  But, I
  screwed up and installed everything (like I normally do) and not just
  the packages you've indicated.
  
  You may want to try installing the scim-bridge* packages and then go
  through the exercise of setting the input method.
  
  Under GNOME the following environment variables are set
  
  [egres...@f11 ~]$ env | grep -i im
  IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes
  IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM
  QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge
  xmodifie...@im=scim
  
  I seem to have run into one issue  SCIM won't run in KDE with both
  ibus and scim installedor so it seems.  But, both and coexist when
  GNOME.  I'm running kdm instead of gdm...not sure if that is having an
  influence.
 
 I did not install any ibus rpms. I added scim-bridge, scim-bridge-gtk,
 scim-bridge-qt scim-lang-chinese which also added scim-tables. But I get
 an error after logging out and logging back in. I too am using kdm 
 KDE. I am guessing that your thinking that SCIM won't run in KDE with
 both ibus and scim installed is not really the issue. It appears that
 SCIM doesn't like this setup in KDE at all.
 
 and relevant sections in ~/.imsettings.log seem to be...
 
 imsettings information
 ==
 
 Is DBus enabled:yes
 Is imsettings enabled:no
 Is GTK+ supported:no
 Is Qt supported:no
 DESKTOP_SESSION: kde
 DISABLE_IMSETTINGS: 1
 IMSETTINGS_DISABLE_DESKTOP_CHECK: 
 
 DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS:
 unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-X1xhCh5tlb,guid=aba893e1370d37c45223063e4ac022a2  
   
 GTK_IM_MODULE: scim-bridge
 QT_IM_MODULE: scim-bridge
 XMODIFIERS: @im=SCIM
 IMSETTINGS_MODULE: SCIM
 IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP: yes
 
 IM-Settings-Daemon[30075]: WARNING **: Main Input Method process for
 SCIM died with the status 1, but unexpectedly. restarting...
 IM-Settings-Daemon[30075]: INFO: Started SCIM: process: /usr/bin/scim ,
 lang=en_US.UTF-8, pid: 30237, id: 37, time: 2009-09-28T02:43:32.092877Z
 SCIM[30237]: Smart Common Input Method 1.4.8
 SCIM[30237]: Launching a SCIM process with x11...
 SCIM[30237]:
 SCIM[30237]: Loading socket Config module ...
 SCIM[30237]: Creating backend ...
 SCIM[30237]: Loading x11 FrontEnd module ...
 SCIM[30237]: Failed to load x11 FrontEnd module.
 SCIM[30237]: SCIM has exited abnormally.
 
 
 So I looked...
 $ env |grep -i im
 IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes
 IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM
 QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge
 xmodifie...@im=scim
 GTK_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge
 DISABLE_IMSETTINGS=1
 
 and I adjusted
 [cr...@lin-workstation ~]$ export DISABLE_IMSETTINGS=0
 [cr...@lin-workstation ~]$ env |grep -i im
 IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes
 IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM
 QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge
 xmodifie...@im=scim
 GTK_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge
 DISABLE_IMSETTINGS=0
 
 but still an issue...
 [cr...@lin-workstation ~]$ scim -d
 Smart Common Input Method 1.4.8
 
 Launching a SCIM process with x11...
 Loading socket Config module ...
 Creating backend ...
 Loading x11 FrontEnd module ...
 Failed to load x11 FrontEnd module.
 Failed to launch SCIM.
 
 So I'm sort of scratching my head here.

ibus however worked right away in most everything. I deleted my symbolic
link from scim.conf = ~/.xinputrc and replaced it with ibus.conf and am
going to log out now but I think this will be more than sufficient.

;-)

Thanks

Craig


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Re: scim - Fedora 11

2009-09-27 Thread Ed Greshko
Craig White wrote:

 ibus however worked right away in most everything. I deleted my symbolic
 link from scim.conf = ~/.xinputrc and replaced it with ibus.conf and am
 going to log out now but I think this will be more than sufficient.

 ;-)
   
Yeah  I'm probably going to stick with ibus going forward.  I may
play with scim to see if I can get it working it I have time..



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Re: scim - Fedora 11

2009-09-27 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 12:00 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
 Craig White wrote:
 
  ibus however worked right away in most everything. I deleted my symbolic
  link from scim.conf = ~/.xinputrc and replaced it with ibus.conf and am
  going to log out now but I think this will be more than sufficient.
 
  ;-)

 Yeah  I'm probably going to stick with ibus going forward.  I may
 play with scim to see if I can get it working it I have time..

OK but I am confused. ibus looks really simple and seems to work but I
am too stupid to know if it is simplified (what I want) or traditional
(I think what you want) and I can't tell and I can't see any way to
communicate this to ibus.

Do you have any idea? Does ibus give you traditional?

Craig


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Re: scim - Fedora 11

2009-09-27 Thread Ed Greshko
Craig White wrote:
 On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 12:00 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
   
 Craig White wrote:
 
 ibus however worked right away in most everything. I deleted my symbolic
 link from scim.conf = ~/.xinputrc and replaced it with ibus.conf and am
 going to log out now but I think this will be more than sufficient.

 ;-)
   
   
 Yeah  I'm probably going to stick with ibus going forward.  I may
 play with scim to see if I can get it working it I have time..
 
 
 OK but I am confused. ibus looks really simple and seems to work but I
 am too stupid to know if it is simplified (what I want) or traditional
 (I think what you want) and I can't tell and I can't see any way to
 communicate this to ibus.

 Do you have any idea? Does ibus give you traditional?

   
Unless you have installed other input methods for Chinese use PinYin and
you will get Simplified Chinese.

For example, if I use PinYin to enter my wife's family name I would get
杨 as one of the choices.  This is equivalent to 楊 which you'd get by,
for example, using Chewing.


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