Re: scim - Fedora 11
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 13:59 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 12:00 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Craig White wrote: ibus however worked right away in most everything. I deleted my symbolic link from scim.conf = ~/.xinputrc and replaced it with ibus.conf and am going to log out now but I think this will be more than sufficient. ;-) Yeah I'm probably going to stick with ibus going forward. I may play with scim to see if I can get it working it I have time.. OK but I am confused. ibus looks really simple and seems to work but I am too stupid to know if it is simplified (what I want) or traditional (I think what you want) and I can't tell and I can't see any way to communicate this to ibus. Do you have any idea? Does ibus give you traditional? Unless you have installed other input methods for Chinese use PinYin and you will get Simplified Chinese. For example, if I use PinYin to enter my wife's family name I would get 杨 as one of the choices. This is equivalent to 楊 which you'd get by, for example, using Chewing. OK - I am just paranoid then because I am used to everything always telling me exactly which Chinese character set [simplified|traditional] and ibus doesn't give me any hints. I thought you were in Taiwan? Don't you use traditional? Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: scim - Fedora 11
Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 13:59 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 12:00 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Craig White wrote: ibus however worked right away in most everything. I deleted my symbolic link from scim.conf = ~/.xinputrc and replaced it with ibus.conf and am going to log out now but I think this will be more than sufficient. ;-) Yeah I'm probably going to stick with ibus going forward. I may play with scim to see if I can get it working it I have time.. OK but I am confused. ibus looks really simple and seems to work but I am too stupid to know if it is simplified (what I want) or traditional (I think what you want) and I can't tell and I can't see any way to communicate this to ibus. Do you have any idea? Does ibus give you traditional? Unless you have installed other input methods for Chinese use PinYin and you will get Simplified Chinese. For example, if I use PinYin to enter my wife's family name I would get 杨 as one of the choices. This is equivalent to 楊 which you'd get by, for example, using Chewing. OK - I am just paranoid then because I am used to everything always telling me exactly which Chinese character set [simplified|traditional] and ibus doesn't give me any hints. I thought you were in Taiwan? Don't you use traditional? Yes, I'm in Taiwan. And, yes, I use traditional98% of the time. Need to deal with simplified from time to time. -- polygon: Dead parrot. Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: scim - Fedora 11
- Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 13:59 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: OK - I am just paranoid then because I am used to everything always telling me exactly which Chinese character set [simplified|traditional] and ibus doesn't give me any hints. I thought you were in Taiwan? Don't you use traditional? Yes, I'm in Taiwan. And, yes, I use traditional98% of the time. Need to deal with simplified from time to time. -- polygon: Dead parrot. Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 My bad, I should have implement that in ibus-chewing as soon as possible. -- Ding-Yi Chen Software Engineer Internationalization Group Red Hat, Inc. Looking to carve out IT costs? www.apac.redhat.com/promo/carveoutcosts/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: scim - Fedora 11
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 19:57 -0400, Ding Yi Chen wrote: - Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 13:59 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: OK - I am just paranoid then because I am used to everything always telling me exactly which Chinese character set [simplified|traditional] and ibus doesn't give me any hints. I thought you were in Taiwan? Don't you use traditional? Yes, I'm in Taiwan. And, yes, I use traditional98% of the time. Need to deal with simplified from time to time. My bad, I should have implement that in ibus-chewing as soon as possible. thanks Ding Yi so far, I am happy with ibus and it seems to be what I was looking for. One of the reasons I upgraded from Fedora 10 to Fedora 11 was that I was having too many race conditions with akregator on F10 when I had scim running. I never could produce a reasonable bug report. When I went to F11, scim seemed to be only moderately functional in some applications but ibus seems much cleaner and simpler...but I am only barely functional in Chinese so I do not know that I can provide meaningful feedback. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
scim - Fedora 11
Maybe it's me and my lack of understanding about this but it seems that since I updated to Fedora 11, that scim-python works only in KDE programs like Kwrite, Konsole but not in gnome (evolution, pidgin, OOo). No matter what I do in those 3 programs, I only have English for input language, even if the SCIM icon in the system tray shows 'Python Pin Yin' $ rpm -qa|grep scim scim-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586 scim-python-pinyin-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586 scim-libs-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586 scim-python-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586 $ rpm -qa|grep zh autocorr-zh-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586 openoffice.org-langpack-zh_CN-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586 Am I missing something? Is there a gnome package that's needed? I don't mean to make this a question for Ed. ;-) Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: scim - Fedora 11
Craig White wrote: Maybe it's me and my lack of understanding about this but it seems that since I updated to Fedora 11, that scim-python works only in KDE programs like Kwrite, Konsole but not in gnome (evolution, pidgin, OOo). No matter what I do in those 3 programs, I only have English for input language, even if the SCIM icon in the system tray shows 'Python Pin Yin' $ rpm -qa|grep scim scim-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586 scim-python-pinyin-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586 scim-libs-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586 scim-python-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586 $ rpm -qa|grep zh autocorr-zh-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586 openoffice.org-langpack-zh_CN-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586 Am I missing something? Is there a gnome package that's needed? I don't mean to make this a question for Ed. ;-) I've been using/testing ibus since I've heard it may be the replacement for SCIM Anyway, I installed SCIM and it all works fine for me in GNOME. But, I screwed up and installed everything (like I normally do) and not just the packages you've indicated. You may want to try installing the scim-bridge* packages and then go through the exercise of setting the input method. Under GNOME the following environment variables are set [egres...@f11 ~]$ env | grep -i im IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge xmodifie...@im=scim I seem to have run into one issue SCIM won't run in KDE with both ibus and scim installedor so it seems. But, both and coexist when GNOME. I'm running kdm instead of gdm...not sure if that is having an influence. -- Al Gore to Fry: You fool! You foolish fool! Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: scim - Fedora 11
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Craig White wrote: Maybe it's me and my lack of understanding about this but it seems that since I updated to Fedora 11, that scim-python works only in KDE programs like Kwrite, Konsole but not in gnome (evolution, pidgin, OOo). No matter what I do in those 3 programs, I only have English for input language, even if the SCIM icon in the system tray shows 'Python Pin Yin' $ rpm -qa|grep scim scim-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586 scim-python-pinyin-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586 scim-libs-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586 scim-python-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586 $ rpm -qa|grep zh autocorr-zh-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586 openoffice.org-langpack-zh_CN-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586 Am I missing something? Is there a gnome package that's needed? I don't mean to make this a question for Ed. ;-) I've been using/testing ibus since I've heard it may be the replacement for SCIM Anyway, I installed SCIM and it all works fine for me in GNOME. But, I screwed up and installed everything (like I normally do) and not just the packages you've indicated. You may want to try installing the scim-bridge* packages and then go through the exercise of setting the input method. Under GNOME the following environment variables are set [egres...@f11 ~]$ env | grep -i im IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge xmodifie...@im=scim I seem to have run into one issue SCIM won't run in KDE with both ibus and scim installedor so it seems. But, both and coexist when GNOME. I'm running kdm instead of gdm...not sure if that is having an influence. I did not install any ibus rpms. I added scim-bridge, scim-bridge-gtk, scim-bridge-qt scim-lang-chinese which also added scim-tables. But I get an error after logging out and logging back in. I too am using kdm KDE. I am guessing that your thinking that SCIM won't run in KDE with both ibus and scim installed is not really the issue. It appears that SCIM doesn't like this setup in KDE at all. and relevant sections in ~/.imsettings.log seem to be... imsettings information == Is DBus enabled:yes Is imsettings enabled:no Is GTK+ supported:no Is Qt supported:no DESKTOP_SESSION: kde DISABLE_IMSETTINGS: 1 IMSETTINGS_DISABLE_DESKTOP_CHECK: DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS: unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-X1xhCh5tlb,guid=aba893e1370d37c45223063e4ac022a2 GTK_IM_MODULE: scim-bridge QT_IM_MODULE: scim-bridge XMODIFIERS: @im=SCIM IMSETTINGS_MODULE: SCIM IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP: yes IM-Settings-Daemon[30075]: WARNING **: Main Input Method process for SCIM died with the status 1, but unexpectedly. restarting... IM-Settings-Daemon[30075]: INFO: Started SCIM: process: /usr/bin/scim , lang=en_US.UTF-8, pid: 30237, id: 37, time: 2009-09-28T02:43:32.092877Z SCIM[30237]: Smart Common Input Method 1.4.8 SCIM[30237]: Launching a SCIM process with x11... SCIM[30237]: SCIM[30237]: Loading socket Config module ... SCIM[30237]: Creating backend ... SCIM[30237]: Loading x11 FrontEnd module ... SCIM[30237]: Failed to load x11 FrontEnd module. SCIM[30237]: SCIM has exited abnormally. So I looked... $ env |grep -i im IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge xmodifie...@im=scim GTK_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge DISABLE_IMSETTINGS=1 and I adjusted [cr...@lin-workstation ~]$ export DISABLE_IMSETTINGS=0 [cr...@lin-workstation ~]$ env |grep -i im IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge xmodifie...@im=scim GTK_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge DISABLE_IMSETTINGS=0 but still an issue... [cr...@lin-workstation ~]$ scim -d Smart Common Input Method 1.4.8 Launching a SCIM process with x11... Loading socket Config module ... Creating backend ... Loading x11 FrontEnd module ... Failed to load x11 FrontEnd module. Failed to launch SCIM. So I'm sort of scratching my head here. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: scim - Fedora 11
On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 20:25 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Craig White wrote: Maybe it's me and my lack of understanding about this but it seems that since I updated to Fedora 11, that scim-python works only in KDE programs like Kwrite, Konsole but not in gnome (evolution, pidgin, OOo). No matter what I do in those 3 programs, I only have English for input language, even if the SCIM icon in the system tray shows 'Python Pin Yin' $ rpm -qa|grep scim scim-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586 scim-python-pinyin-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586 scim-libs-1.4.8-3.fc11.i586 scim-python-0.1.13rc1-5.fc11.i586 $ rpm -qa|grep zh autocorr-zh-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586 openoffice.org-langpack-zh_CN-3.1.1-19.2.fc11.i586 Am I missing something? Is there a gnome package that's needed? I don't mean to make this a question for Ed. ;-) I've been using/testing ibus since I've heard it may be the replacement for SCIM Anyway, I installed SCIM and it all works fine for me in GNOME. But, I screwed up and installed everything (like I normally do) and not just the packages you've indicated. You may want to try installing the scim-bridge* packages and then go through the exercise of setting the input method. Under GNOME the following environment variables are set [egres...@f11 ~]$ env | grep -i im IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge xmodifie...@im=scim I seem to have run into one issue SCIM won't run in KDE with both ibus and scim installedor so it seems. But, both and coexist when GNOME. I'm running kdm instead of gdm...not sure if that is having an influence. I did not install any ibus rpms. I added scim-bridge, scim-bridge-gtk, scim-bridge-qt scim-lang-chinese which also added scim-tables. But I get an error after logging out and logging back in. I too am using kdm KDE. I am guessing that your thinking that SCIM won't run in KDE with both ibus and scim installed is not really the issue. It appears that SCIM doesn't like this setup in KDE at all. and relevant sections in ~/.imsettings.log seem to be... imsettings information == Is DBus enabled:yes Is imsettings enabled:no Is GTK+ supported:no Is Qt supported:no DESKTOP_SESSION: kde DISABLE_IMSETTINGS: 1 IMSETTINGS_DISABLE_DESKTOP_CHECK: DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS: unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-X1xhCh5tlb,guid=aba893e1370d37c45223063e4ac022a2 GTK_IM_MODULE: scim-bridge QT_IM_MODULE: scim-bridge XMODIFIERS: @im=SCIM IMSETTINGS_MODULE: SCIM IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP: yes IM-Settings-Daemon[30075]: WARNING **: Main Input Method process for SCIM died with the status 1, but unexpectedly. restarting... IM-Settings-Daemon[30075]: INFO: Started SCIM: process: /usr/bin/scim , lang=en_US.UTF-8, pid: 30237, id: 37, time: 2009-09-28T02:43:32.092877Z SCIM[30237]: Smart Common Input Method 1.4.8 SCIM[30237]: Launching a SCIM process with x11... SCIM[30237]: SCIM[30237]: Loading socket Config module ... SCIM[30237]: Creating backend ... SCIM[30237]: Loading x11 FrontEnd module ... SCIM[30237]: Failed to load x11 FrontEnd module. SCIM[30237]: SCIM has exited abnormally. So I looked... $ env |grep -i im IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge xmodifie...@im=scim GTK_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge DISABLE_IMSETTINGS=1 and I adjusted [cr...@lin-workstation ~]$ export DISABLE_IMSETTINGS=0 [cr...@lin-workstation ~]$ env |grep -i im IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes IMSETTINGS_MODULE=SCIM QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge xmodifie...@im=scim GTK_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge DISABLE_IMSETTINGS=0 but still an issue... [cr...@lin-workstation ~]$ scim -d Smart Common Input Method 1.4.8 Launching a SCIM process with x11... Loading socket Config module ... Creating backend ... Loading x11 FrontEnd module ... Failed to load x11 FrontEnd module. Failed to launch SCIM. So I'm sort of scratching my head here. ibus however worked right away in most everything. I deleted my symbolic link from scim.conf = ~/.xinputrc and replaced it with ibus.conf and am going to log out now but I think this will be more than sufficient. ;-) Thanks Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: scim - Fedora 11
Craig White wrote: ibus however worked right away in most everything. I deleted my symbolic link from scim.conf = ~/.xinputrc and replaced it with ibus.conf and am going to log out now but I think this will be more than sufficient. ;-) Yeah I'm probably going to stick with ibus going forward. I may play with scim to see if I can get it working it I have time.. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: scim - Fedora 11
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 12:00 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Craig White wrote: ibus however worked right away in most everything. I deleted my symbolic link from scim.conf = ~/.xinputrc and replaced it with ibus.conf and am going to log out now but I think this will be more than sufficient. ;-) Yeah I'm probably going to stick with ibus going forward. I may play with scim to see if I can get it working it I have time.. OK but I am confused. ibus looks really simple and seems to work but I am too stupid to know if it is simplified (what I want) or traditional (I think what you want) and I can't tell and I can't see any way to communicate this to ibus. Do you have any idea? Does ibus give you traditional? Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: scim - Fedora 11
Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 12:00 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Craig White wrote: ibus however worked right away in most everything. I deleted my symbolic link from scim.conf = ~/.xinputrc and replaced it with ibus.conf and am going to log out now but I think this will be more than sufficient. ;-) Yeah I'm probably going to stick with ibus going forward. I may play with scim to see if I can get it working it I have time.. OK but I am confused. ibus looks really simple and seems to work but I am too stupid to know if it is simplified (what I want) or traditional (I think what you want) and I can't tell and I can't see any way to communicate this to ibus. Do you have any idea? Does ibus give you traditional? Unless you have installed other input methods for Chinese use PinYin and you will get Simplified Chinese. For example, if I use PinYin to enter my wife's family name I would get 杨 as one of the choices. This is equivalent to 楊 which you'd get by, for example, using Chewing. -- I told my kids, Someday, you'll have kids of your own. One of them said, So will you. -- Rodney Dangerfield Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines