Re: update to F11 with yum
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502399 - remove-with-leaves confuses PackageKit, causing a Python backtrace - fixed in PackageKit 0.4.8 by blacklisting the plugin The plugin has obviously not been tested with PackageKit, which is odd, as PackageKit is installed on every version of Fedora by default... Only within that package. I think PackageKit is simply not designed to allow yum plugins to add additional packages to remove. If can run yum plugins just fine (except the one named above) -- but it's not what the GUI user expects. Using remove-with-leaves gives me lots of WTF!! moments when it wants to remove random things at random times. It breaks the majority of PackageKit uses cases. Richard. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
2009/6/6 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502399 - remove-with-leaves confuses PackageKit, causing a Python backtrace - fixed in PackageKit 0.4.8 by blacklisting the plugin The plugin has obviously not been tested with PackageKit, which is odd, as PackageKit is installed on every version of Fedora by default... Only within that package. I think PackageKit is simply not designed to allow yum plugins to add additional packages to remove. If can run yum plugins just fine (except the one named above) -- but it's not what the GUI user expects. Using remove-with-leaves gives me lots of WTF!! moments when it wants to remove random things at random times. It breaks the majority of PackageKit uses cases. I've been seeing package-cleanup --leaves, and my question is, how does this work? Does it just get the leaves that were installed due to dependency issues? How does it discriminate between leaves (in the dependency tree)? -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/05/2009 05:07 AM, Alan Evans wrote: I recall some time ago, perhaps FC8 or 9, that trying to remove wireless-tools would threaten to remove nearly every package on the system, including the kernel. Was that because yum was broken? It was certainly threatening to remove something that it shouldn't. No. It wasn't a bug in yum but the way things are packaged. Yum is correctly doing its job. I think that was my point. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Alan Evans wrote: It's broken because a package not being required by anything else doesn't mean it isn't needed. For example, it could be an application which is being removed because you just removed a plugin for it or a second application whcih requires that first application for something. And in this case, it's either a situation like that (where basesystem isn't required by anything after removing glibc.i686, but should still not be removed) or a plain bug in the plugin (where it removes something which is still required by other packages). I've been using this plugin for a long time and this is the first time it has threatened to remove basesystem. So I'd like to understand what triggered it this time. So much easier to make effective bug reports if one understands the problem. It shall also be noted that the plugin breaks PackageKit in F11 and therefore the PackageKit update which is coming to F11 soon (as soon as we sort out KPackageKit) blacklists it (which means the plugin won't have any effect in PackageKit). A bug in the remove-with-leaves plugin that erroneously tags packages for removal causes a segmentation fault in PackageKit? Perhaps, but I'm unconvinced. (And I realize that it is not your job to convince me...) Anyway, the solution (bug 503989) is, in my opinion, spectacularly backwards. PackageKit is broken when using the remove-with-leaves plugin, so disallow using that plugin with PackageKit. This assures that the bug will never get fixed. If the plugin is buggy and somehow gets fixed then PackageKit still won't use it, so nobody will know. If, on the other hand, PackageKit is buggy then it certainly won't get fixed because the symptom will never be seen now that the trigger is removed. In any case, we might as well just remove the plugin completely from Fedora and call it a day. If another packages has a problem and the plugin is involved then the plugin is blacklisted. If a user has a problem and the plugin is involved then the user is instructed to remove the plugin. At that point, shouldn't we ask why we are shipping the plugin at all? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: You're asking to remove X, and I know of Y and Z which are only required by X - so you should probably remove X,Y, AND Z at the same time This is my understanding as well. And since: [a...@agena ~]$ rpm -q --whatrequires basesystem no package requires basesystem I'm not disinclined to believe that the plugin is doing the wrong thing. But I don't know that, and I'm not even sure that the plugin itself isn't a red-herring in this case. I'm trying to produce a tighter test case than I currently have. (Removing glibc.i386 also takes more than a dozen legitimate dependencies with it, so I'm trying to narrow it all down to a reproducible minimal case.) Given the choice between solving a problem and avoiding it, I'd rather solve it. In real life, I'm a embedded system engineer. In my world, understanding a problem is a necessary prerequisite to fixing it. I'm not particularly fond of the attitude of, It doesn't work right so don't use it. And my natural inclination to push back at it has probably earned me an annoyance rank somewhere just below Karl Larsen. I'm sorry about that, I guess. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
Alan Evans wrote: A bug in the remove-with-leaves plugin that erroneously tags packages for removal causes a segmentation fault in PackageKit? It's not the same bug. You're mixing up at least 3 separate bugs: * the bug you're seeing, where basesystem gets removed by remove-with-leaves * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502399 - remove-with-leaves confuses PackageKit, causing a Python backtrace - fixed in PackageKit 0.4.8 by blacklisting the plugin * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503989 - Kpackagekit crashes after packagekit update - we simply need a new kpackagekit (0.4.1) to go together with the PackageKit 0.4.8 update, we're working on this right now In any case, we might as well just remove the plugin completely from Fedora and call it a day. In this particular case, I wouldn't be opposed to that, the plugin is just broken by design. If another packages has a problem and the plugin is involved then the plugin is blacklisted. Only within that package. I think PackageKit is simply not designed to allow yum plugins to add additional packages to remove. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
Alan Evans wrote: I have a small number of 32-bit packages on my desktop. If I try to remove, for example, glibc.i686, then it tries to take basesystem.noarch with it as a dependency! You must be missing some x86_64 package(s) then. This is an F11 package set with no broken deps (the contents of the KDE live image): http://www.deadbabylon.de/fedora/livecd/packagelists/f11/long-F11-KDE-086-x86_64.txt There's no glibc.i686 (nor i586) in it. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
I wrote: This is an F11 package set with no broken deps (the contents of the KDE live image): http://www.deadbabylon.de/fedora/livecd/packagelists/f11/long-F11-KDE-086-x86_64.txt This is actually an old one, the current list is this one (from May 16): http://www.deadbabylon.de/fedora/livecd/packagelists/f11/long-F11-KDE-113-x86_64.txt But there's still no glibc.i686 (nor i586) in it. It's not needed to fulfill any dependencies. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Alan Evans wrote: I have a small number of 32-bit packages on my desktop. If I try to remove, for example, glibc.i686, then it tries to take basesystem.noarch with it as a dependency! You must be missing some x86_64 package(s) then. Actually, not that either. A closer examination of yum output reveals: removing basesystem-10.0-1.noarch. It is not required by anything else. This is being tagged for removal by the remove-with-leaves plugin. So I'm guessing that something in the dependency resolution stage calls out for needing basesystem, but nothing else on my system technically requires it. Should I consider that a bug? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Alan Evans wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Alan Evans wrote: I have a small number of 32-bit packages on my desktop. If I try to remove, for example, glibc.i686, then it tries to take basesystem.noarch with it as a dependency! You must be missing some x86_64 package(s) then. Actually, not that either. A closer examination of yum output reveals: removing basesystem-10.0-1.noarch. It is not required by anything else. This is being tagged for removal by the remove-with-leaves plugin. So I'm guessing that something in the dependency resolution stage calls out for needing basesystem, but nothing else on my system technically requires it. Should I consider that a bug? Have you got two basesystem packages installed? The F11 basesystem package is basesystem-10.0-2.noarch.rpm. Michael Young -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:14 AM, M A Young m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk wrote: Have you got two basesystem packages installed? The F11 basesystem package is basesystem-10.0-2.noarch.rpm. [a...@agena ~]$ rpm -qa | grep basesystem basesystem-10.0-1.noarch [a...@agena ~]$ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
2009/6/4 Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:14 AM, M A Young m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk wrote: Have you got two basesystem packages installed? The F11 basesystem package is basesystem-10.0-2.noarch.rpm. [a...@agena ~]$ rpm -qa | grep basesystem basesystem-10.0-1.noarch [a...@agena ~]$ You're outdated. basesystem is at version 10.0-2 in my F11. Try to yum clean all and yum update after that, enabling rawhide repo. -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
2009/6/4 Martín Marqués : 2009/6/4 Alan Evans: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:14 AM, M A Young wrote: Have you got two basesystem packages installed? The F11 basesystem package is basesystem-10.0-2.noarch.rpm. [a...@agena ~]$ rpm -qa | grep basesystem basesystem-10.0-1.noarch [a...@agena ~]$ You're outdated. basesystem is at version 10.0-2 in my F11. Try to yum clean all and yum update after that, enabling rawhide repo. I never said I was using F11. If I was discussing F11, I'd be using a different mailing list, at least for the next 5 days. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
2009/6/4 Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com: 2009/6/4 Martín Marqués : 2009/6/4 Alan Evans: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:14 AM, M A Young wrote: Have you got two basesystem packages installed? The F11 basesystem package is basesystem-10.0-2.noarch.rpm. [a...@agena ~]$ rpm -qa | grep basesystem basesystem-10.0-1.noarch [a...@agena ~]$ You're outdated. basesystem is at version 10.0-2 in my F11. Try to yum clean all and yum update after that, enabling rawhide repo. I never said I was using F11. If I was discussing F11, I'd be using a different mailing list, at least for the next 5 days. Ohh. AFAICS, the subject of this thread is update to F11 with yum -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
2009/6/4 Martín Marqués: Ohh. AFAICS, the subject of this thread is update to F11 with yum True. But I was originally replying to Sam Sharpe, who claimed to have no 32-bit packages on his system when that was apparently impossible for me. I really wasn't expecting the sub-thread to last long. My sub-thread is technically off-topic in the main thread. The main thread, for it's part, is technically off topic in this forum. So I guess I don't feel so bad. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
Alan Evans wrote: Actually, not that either. A closer examination of yum output reveals: removing basesystem-10.0-1.noarch. It is not required by anything else. This is being tagged for removal by the remove-with-leaves plugin. So remove that broken plugin. It just does not work! Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Alan Evans wrote: Actually, not that either. A closer examination of yum output reveals: removing basesystem-10.0-1.noarch. It is not required by anything else. This is being tagged for removal by the remove-with-leaves plugin. So remove that broken plugin. It just does not work! It certainly does work. I wouldn't use it otherwise. I'm really fond of being able to try out a new application, the installation of which draws in a bunch of library packages, and then decide I don't want it and remove the whole lot without needing to remember what was installed incidental to the application. Do you have specific information about it being broken? Or is it possible that some package that I'm removing has a requirement for basesystem that it shouldn't have? Or else other packages that I'm not trying to remove lack a requirement for basesystem that they should have? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
2009/6/4 Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Alan Evans wrote:
Actually, not that either. A closer examination of yum output reveals:
removing basesystem-10.0-1.noarch. It is not required by anything
else.
This is being tagged for removal by the remove-with-leaves plugin.
So remove that broken plugin. It just does not work!
It certainly does work. I wouldn't use it otherwise. I'm really fond
of being able to try out a new application, the installation of which
draws in a bunch of library packages, and then decide I don't want it
and remove the whole lot without needing to remember what was
installed incidental to the application.
Do you have specific information about it being broken?
It's certainly broken in that it removes something it shouldn't...
Note the description of basesystem:
-
Basesystem defines the components of a basic Fedora system (for
example, the package installation order to use during bootstrapping).
*Basesystem should be in every installation of a system, and it
should never be removed.*
-
Or is it
possible that some package that I'm removing has a requirement for
basesystem that it shouldn't have?
On my example system (which is x86_64 only), there is only one package
which requires basesystem and that package is not required by any
other.
[...@samlap ~]$ rpm -q --queryformat=%{NAME}\n --whatrequires basesystem
preload
[...@samlap ~]$ rpm -q --queryformat=%{NAME}\n --whatrequires preload
no package requires preload
Or else other packages that I'm not
trying to remove lack a requirement for basesystem that they should
have?
basesystem is a meta-package. It contains no files and it's only
purpose is to require the packages that comprise the Base System
(setup,filesystem,rpm), it's like the root of the dependency tree...
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Re: update to F11 with yum
2009/6/5 Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: Do you have specific information about it being broken? It's certainly broken in that it removes something it shouldn't... Now, I'm not saying that the plugin isn't broken. Maybe it is. But I find it very useful. And so far I've only been told that I should toss it because of some incidence with this symptom. So far I'm not convinced that some package meta-data isn't behind the scenes causing the problem indirectly. That's all I'm saying. I'm not disagreeing with you that the plugin is useful. I had it installed, which is why I had a vague understanding of how it works. As I understand it, it's something like: You're asking to remove X, and I know of Y and Z which are only required by X - so you should probably remove X,Y, AND Z at the same time In this case, it's slightly buggered, because it's trying to remove something (possibly indirectly) which should be installed but isn't /required/ by anything. I did early on ask if what I was seeing was a bug. I don't unfortunately know enough about how it works to tell you if it's a bug - have you tried asking whoever the maintainers of the plugin are (I'm not trying to pass the buck - honest!) I was hoping someone would help me pinpoint the source so that maybe a bugzilla could be filed against the appropriate package if it was a bug. Apparently, that's all wrong-headed -- I should simply uninstall any component related to a problem on my system. I wonder how much of my Linux system will survive this policy? I think it's very hard for us to know your problem in this case without having an exact copy of your system and RPM database to look at. I'm betting you are right in your diagnosis - but when I removed all the *.i?86 packages from my system, the same problem did not occur - and I now have a system with no i?86 packages which does have basesystem and yum-plugin-remove-with-leaves installed. -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On 06/05/2009 05:07 AM, Alan Evans wrote: I recall some time ago, perhaps FC8 or 9, that trying to remove wireless-tools would threaten to remove nearly every package on the system, including the kernel. Was that because yum was broken? It was certainly threatening to remove something that it shouldn't. No. It wasn't a bug in yum but the way things are packaged. Yum is correctly doing its job. I did early on ask if what I was seeing was a bug. I was hoping someone would help me pinpoint the source so that maybe a bugzilla could be filed against the appropriate package if it was a bug. If you consider something a bug, just file it. I am sure the plugin developer would want to know about potential issues. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
Alan Evans wrote: Do you have specific information about it being broken? It's broken because a package not being required by anything else doesn't mean it isn't needed. For example, it could be an application which is being removed because you just removed a plugin for it or a second application whcih requires that first application for something. And in this case, it's either a situation like that (where basesystem isn't required by anything after removing glibc.i686, but should still not be removed) or a plain bug in the plugin (where it removes something which is still required by other packages). It shall also be noted that the plugin breaks PackageKit in F11 and therefore the PackageKit update which is coming to F11 soon (as soon as we sort out KPackageKit) blacklists it (which means the plugin won't have any effect in PackageKit). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
I think update 10 F11 with yum is always a problem. Downloading a F11.iso file and burning it as a dvd is safer. --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: From: Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at Subject: Re: update to F11 with yum To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 8:01 AM Alan Evans wrote: Do you have specific information about it being broken? It's broken because a package not being required by anything else doesn't mean it isn't needed. For example, it could be an application which is being removed because you just removed a plugin for it or a second application whcih requires that first application for something. And in this case, it's either a situation like that (where basesystem isn't required by anything after removing glibc.i686, but should still not be removed) or a plain bug in the plugin (where it removes something which is still required by other packages). It shall also be noted that the plugin breaks PackageKit in F11 and therefore the PackageKit update which is coming to F11 soon (as soon as we sort out KPackageKit) blacklists it (which means the plugin won't have any effect in PackageKit). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 11:51 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Alan Evans wrote: How do you do that? I have a small number of 32-bit packages on my desktop. If I try to remove, for example, glibc.i686, then it tries to take basesystem.noarch with it as a dependency! rpm -e glibc.i686 --nodeps (use with care...) use with care? If I wanted to hose a system, that command would be pretty close to the top of the list of things to do. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Tuesday 02 June 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: But now the rest of the update is errored out, first bitch is about curl, but it looks like index.bz2 is contaminated. [snip] Its also bitching about all the x86_64 stuff conflicting with the i586 stuff from kde-4.2.3. yum remove *.i?86 Kevin Kofler A bit late Kevin, (and that didn't work, it wanted to take out about 300 other packages as dependencies, obviously I canceled that), so after 2 installs it still failed to give me a working x (trash screen) and no keyboard/mouse unless it was running at level 3. For obvious reasons it now has mandriva-2009-1 on it. I think I have a firewall problem but everything else seems to be working now. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Content: 80% POLYESTER, 20% DACRONi ... The waitress's UNIFORM sheds TARTAR SAUCE like an 8 by 10 GLOSSY ... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On 6/2/2009 7:47 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: A bit late Kevin, (and that didn't work, it wanted to take out about 300 other packages as dependencies, obviously I canceled that) Of course it removes a lot of packages, it removes all the multilib crap, leaving you with a pure x86_64 system and no more multilib conflicts. Kevin Kofler Or the possibility to use x86 applications that have no x86_64 version/build on an x86_64 system. Are you for real? -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
David wrote: Or the possibility to use x86 applications that have no x86_64 version/build on an x86_64 system. Well, he can install those multilibs he really needs after cleaning up stuff. But my x86_64 notebook computer runs just fine with no 32-bit stuff at all (except inside mock chroots, purely to build 32-bit RPMs). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
2009/6/3 David dgbo...@comcast.net: On 6/2/2009 7:47 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: A bit late Kevin, (and that didn't work, it wanted to take out about 300 other packages as dependencies, obviously I canceled that) Of course it removes a lot of packages, it removes all the multilib crap, leaving you with a pure x86_64 system and no more multilib conflicts. Kevin Kofler Or the possibility to use x86 applications that have no x86_64 version/build on an x86_64 system. Are you for real? I bet he is, because I do just that: [...@samlap ~]$ rpm -qa | egrep \.i.86 [...@samlap ~]$ I have exactly zero x86 packages installed on my system... -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 19:30 -0300, Martín Marqués wrote: 2009/6/1 jan sonnek xjanson...@gmail.com: On 01/06/09 00:13, Martín Marqués wrote: Hi all, what's the status for trying to upgrade F10 to F11 using yum- I'm trying to upgrade against the 11-Preview version which is available but crash into some dependencie problems. Is there a way I can try to upgrade now to what will be F11 or do I have to wait another week? I have update now, but I am much satisfied. I have removed some dependency packages, PyQT4 etc. Then yum update without some problem. I'm getting these errors, and other too. Try # yum -y --enablerepo=updates-testing update I've yum upgraded 4 F10 boxes to F11 with yum so far. -- Jussi Lehtola Fedora Project Contributor jussileht...@fedoraproject.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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jan sonnek wrote: Then yum update without some problem. If you had F10 updates enabled, you also need to enable F11 updates. If you had F10 updates-testing enabled, you also need to enable F11 updates-testing. As for VirtualBox, that's a third-party RPM, you'll have to remove it before upgrading and install a version built for F11 after the upgrade. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
David wrote: Is there a way I can try to upgrade now to what will be F11 or do I have to wait another week? Use preupgrade. Works like a charm. How to use PreUpgrade http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade This will take a while. A long while. Assuming you have to check the Display unstable test releases and then choose Rawhide, why not say this? It may be obvious to you, but would not be to many Fedora users. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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On Monday 01 June 2009, Timothy Murphy wrote: David wrote: Is there a way I can try to upgrade now to what will be F11 or do I have to wait another week? Use preupgrade. Works like a charm. How to use PreUpgrade http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade This will take a while. A long while. Assuming you have to check the Display unstable test releases and then choose Rawhide, why not say this? And it should pointed out that if this is not checked, you have a blank list, it is NOT possible to select from an uptodate F8 to F10. That sucks. Whats the deal in forcing everybody into rawhide when there is a show topper bug extant and holding up the F11 release? That smacks of a rather massive insult to those of us who just want to use the machine. It better work or there will be YAKubuntuI before the day is out. All I wanted to do was add fmit to its (F8 on a HP dv5120us) repertoire. But F8 doesn't have libasound which the fmit build needs. This F10 built it ok, and fmit itself hasn't been touched since F6 days, so why can't an F8 install build it? It may be obvious to you, but would not be to many Fedora users. Yeah, obviously getting rawhide shoved down our throats. :( -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Forest fires cause Smokey Bears. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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On 6/1/2009 10:15 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: David wrote: Is there a way I can try to upgrade now to what will be F11 or do I have to wait another week? Use preupgrade. Works like a charm. How to use PreUpgrade http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade This will take a while. A long while. Assuming you have to check the Display unstable test releases and then choose Rawhide, why not say this? It may be obvious to you, but would not be to many Fedora users. Err... when Fedora 11 is released it will be offered as an option. There is no Fedora 11 release. Yet. And Joe Average User should not be using Rawhide if he can not figure out what you just described as not obvious. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On 6/1/2009 12:29 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009, Timothy Murphy wrote: David wrote: Is there a way I can try to upgrade now to what will be F11 or do I have to wait another week? Use preupgrade. Works like a charm. How to use PreUpgrade http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade This will take a while. A long while. Assuming you have to check the Display unstable test releases and then choose Rawhide, why not say this? And it should pointed out that if this is not checked, you have a blank list, it is NOT possible to select from an uptodate F8 to F10. That sucks. Whats the deal in forcing everybody into rawhide when there is a show topper bug extant and holding up the F11 release? That smacks of a rather massive insult to those of us who just want to use the machine. It better work or there will be YAKubuntuI before the day is out. All I wanted to do was add fmit to its (F8 on a HP dv5120us) repertoire. But F8 doesn't have libasound which the fmit build needs. This F10 built it ok, and fmit itself hasn't been touched since F6 days, so why can't an F8 install build it? It may be obvious to you, but would not be to many Fedora users. Yeah, obviously getting rawhide shoved down our throats. :( For Fedora 8 to Fedora 10 I can not say. Just this weekend I did a preupgrade test of Fedora 9 to Fedora 10 that worked with no problems. I then did a preupgrade test of that same Fedora 10 to what will be, eventually, Fedora 11 which is still Rawhide. Again with no problems. Just time consuming. No one 'forced' me to do an upgrade to Rawhide. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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2009/6/1 David dgbo...@comcast.net: For Fedora 8 to Fedora 10 I can not say. Just this weekend I did a preupgrade test of Fedora 9 to Fedora 10 that worked with no problems. I then did a preupgrade test of that same Fedora 10 to what will be, eventually, Fedora 11 which is still Rawhide. Again with no problems. Just time consuming. No one 'forced' me to do an upgrade to Rawhide. Is rawhide frozen till after F11 is released? Just want to be sure I'm not upgrading to something over F11. -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: On 6/1/2009 10:15 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: David wrote: Is there a way I can try to upgrade now to what will be F11 or do I have to wait another week? Use preupgrade. Works like a charm. How to use PreUpgrade http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade This will take a while. A long while. Assuming you have to check the Display unstable test releases and then choose Rawhide, why not say this? It may be obvious to you, but would not be to many Fedora users. Err... when Fedora 11 is released it will be offered as an option. There is no Fedora 11 release. Yet. And Joe Average User should not be using Rawhide if he can not figure out what you just described as not obvious. Then why is an update to F10 not presented as an option in the preupgrade screen? -- David -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp The most important thing in a man is not what he knows, but what he is. -- Narciso Yepes -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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On 06/02/2009 12:39 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Then why is an update to F10 not presented as an option in the preupgrade screen? .. because the preupgrade version in Fedora 9 has a bug that prevents it from being a reliable method to upgrade to Fedora 10. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: On 6/1/2009 12:29 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009, Timothy Murphy wrote: David wrote: Is there a way I can try to upgrade now to what will be F11 or do I have to wait another week? Use preupgrade. Works like a charm. How to use PreUpgrade http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade This will take a while. A long while. Assuming you have to check the Display unstable test releases and then choose Rawhide, why not say this? And it should pointed out that if this is not checked, you have a blank list, it is NOT possible to select from an uptodate F8 to F10. That sucks. Whats the deal in forcing everybody into rawhide when there is a show topper bug extant and holding up the F11 release? That smacks of a rather massive insult to those of us who just want to use the machine. It better work or there will be YAKubuntuI before the day is out. All I wanted to do was add fmit to its (F8 on a HP dv5120us) repertoire. But F8 doesn't have libasound which the fmit build needs. This F10 built it ok, and fmit itself hasn't been touched since F6 days, so why can't an F8 install build it? It may be obvious to you, but would not be to many Fedora users. Yeah, obviously getting rawhide shoved down our throats. :( For Fedora 8 to Fedora 10 I can not say. Just this weekend I did a preupgrade test of Fedora 9 to Fedora 10 that worked with no problems. I then did a preupgrade test of that same Fedora 10 to what will be, eventually, Fedora 11 which is still Rawhide. Again with no problems. Just time consuming. No one 'forced' me to do an upgrade to Rawhide. -- David That was my point, David. F9 or F10 is not being presented as an option in preupgrade, the only thing you can do is check the box for bleeding edge and chose rawhide. That has a very high vacuum rating IMO. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Flugg's Law: When you need to knock on wood is when you realize that the world is composed of vinyl, naugahyde and aluminum. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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David wrote: For Fedora 8 to Fedora 10 I can not say. Just this weekend I did a preupgrade test of Fedora 9 to Fedora 10 that worked with no problems. I then did a preupgrade test of that same Fedora 10 to what will be, eventually, Fedora 11 which is still Rawhide. Again with no problems. Just time consuming. No one 'forced' me to do an upgrade to Rawhide. Not long after Fedora 10 was released, I did an upgrade from Fedora 8 to Fedora 10 with no problems. But I did not have an option to upgrade to Fedora 9. Mike -- I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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On Monday 01 June 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/02/2009 12:39 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Then why is an update to F10 not presented as an option in the preupgrade screen? .. because the preupgrade version in Fedora 9 has a bug that prevents it from being a reliable method to upgrade to Fedora 10. Rahul From an uptodate F8 install? This pix is still blurry... -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp We are MicroSoft. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. -- Attributed to B.G., Gill Bates -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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On 6/1/2009 3:11 PM, Martín Marqués wrote: 2009/6/1 David dgbo...@comcast.net: For Fedora 8 to Fedora 10 I can not say. Just this weekend I did a preupgrade test of Fedora 9 to Fedora 10 that worked with no problems. I then did a preupgrade test of that same Fedora 10 to what will be, eventually, Fedora 11 which is still Rawhide. Again with no problems. Just time consuming. No one 'forced' me to do an upgrade to Rawhide. Is rawhide frozen till after F11 is released? Just want to be sure I'm not upgrading to something over F11. If you have been using Rawhide, from the Fedora 11 RC or 'by hand' what you have will be Fedora 11, technically already is, when Fedora 11 is released. It takes a configuration change, done on purpose by the user, to stay with Rawhide. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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David wrote: Use preupgrade. Works like a charm. Assuming you have to check the Display unstable test releases and then choose Rawhide, why not say this? It may be obvious to you, but would not be to many Fedora users. Err... when Fedora 11 is released it will be offered as an option. There is no Fedora 11 release. Yet. And Joe Average User should not be using Rawhide if he can not figure out what you just described as not obvious. I suggest that if you are giving advice you should say as clearly and as fully as possible what the user needs to do, regardless of your opinion of their intelligence. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: On 6/1/2009 3:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: On 6/1/2009 12:29 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009, Timothy Murphy wrote: David wrote: Is there a way I can try to upgrade now to what will be F11 or do I have to wait another week? Use preupgrade. Works like a charm. How to use PreUpgrade http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade This will take a while. A long while. Assuming you have to check the Display unstable test releases and then choose Rawhide, why not say this? And it should pointed out that if this is not checked, you have a blank list, it is NOT possible to select from an uptodate F8 to F10. That sucks. Whats the deal in forcing everybody into rawhide when there is a show topper bug extant and holding up the F11 release? That smacks of a rather massive insult to those of us who just want to use the machine. It better work or there will be YAKubuntuI before the day is out. All I wanted to do was add fmit to its (F8 on a HP dv5120us) repertoire. But F8 doesn't have libasound which the fmit build needs. This F10 built it ok, and fmit itself hasn't been touched since F6 days, so why can't an F8 install build it? It may be obvious to you, but would not be to many Fedora users. Yeah, obviously getting rawhide shoved down our throats. :( For Fedora 8 to Fedora 10 I can not say. Just this weekend I did a preupgrade test of Fedora 9 to Fedora 10 that worked with no problems. I then did a preupgrade test of that same Fedora 10 to what will be, eventually, Fedora 11 which is still Rawhide. Again with no problems. Just time consuming. No one 'forced' me to do an upgrade to Rawhide. -- David That was my point, David. F9 or F10 is not being presented as an option in preupgrade, the only thing you can do is check the box for bleeding edge and chose rawhide. That has a very high vacuum rating IMO. Where did you 'get' the preupgrade. F8 repo via yumex. The Fedora 9 that I started with Saturday came with preupgrade. I clean installed Fedora 9 and did updates to current. When I ran preupgrade, in Fedora 9, I was offered Fedora 10 or, by checking the box, Rawhide (to be Fedora 11). Since the Fedora 10 was up-to-date it's preupgrade offered 'nothing' except the check box that get 'Rawhide'. There was a bug for some, IIRC, with preupgrade in Fedora 9 to Fedora 10. Some but not all. Fedora would never 'force' you to use Rawhide. Although it kicks the poo, IMO, out of Fedora 10. Many changes and improvements. I run Rawhide all of the time anyway. -- David -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp I got this powdered water -- now I don't know what to add. -- Steven Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
Gene Heskett wrote: Whats the deal in forcing everybody into rawhide when there is a show topper bug extant and holding up the F11 release? F8's preupgrade is extremely buggy and out of date. (It was beta at the time, F9 is the first release where it's really usable.) But it will not get fixed as F8 is no longer supported. You should have already upgraded. I'd suggest just using another upgrade method. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On 6/1/2009 6:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: On 6/1/2009 3:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Where did you 'get' the preupgrade. F8 repo via yumex. Ok. You had an install of Fedora 8 and you tried/wanted to upgrade to Fedora 10? Correct? It will have to wait until the weekend but Ill d/l Fedora 8 and try this. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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Gene Heskett wrote: From an uptodate F8 install? This pix is still blurry... F8 is no longer updated, so this bug will never get fixed. Use another upgrade method. And you should have already upgraded half a year ago. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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David wrote: And it should be *obvious* that since Fedora 11 has not yet been released that Fedora 11 should *not* be offered as an upgrade option. Why are you trying to make this difficult? It's not difficult, it is ambiguous. Since the title of the thread is update to F11 it is not unreasonable to suppose it is concerned with updating to F11, not to rawhide. Many things that are obvious to you are not obvious to me, or I suspect to many others. That is why I suggest that you state clearly what you are advising people to do, rather than simply say that it is obvious. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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On Monday 01 June 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Whats the deal in forcing everybody into rawhide when there is a show topper bug extant and holding up the F11 release? F8's preupgrade is extremely buggy and out of date. (It was beta at the time, F9 is the first release where it's really usable.) But it will not get fixed as F8 is no longer supported. You should have already upgraded. I'd suggest just using another upgrade method. Kevin Kofler Well, its busy putting the finishing touches and the reboot to rawhide right now. It just asked for a runlevel 3 passwd. And the first casualty is my accessory usb mouse, its dead and I am stuck with that totally worthless scratchpad, which I swear picks up the local radio station, its totally spastic if the hand isn't held so high above the keyboard when typing that its strictly one finger typing. So how do I restore that? Humm, the scratchpad works, but I cannot focus on an open shell, and the keyboard is also dead after x starts. Not even to a ctl+alt+bksp. Now I'll have to hit the power switch reboot. I had a keyboard when I logged in, WTF? Rebooted via the power switch, and I have a keyboard and a mouse on tty1 at runlevel 3. /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Well, I wuz gonna copy it over and insert it, but I can't make cifs mount it with my usual everything from / stanza. Password reject, whatever. So I need a stanza for its /etc/samba/smb.conf that will let me mount it from here. No security, its all behind a dd-wrt firewall. I'll try the system-config-* stuff if I can find it. There is no trace of my original xorg.conf now. Shouldn't that have been an '.rpmnew'? So chalk this one up as a broken upgrade I guess. Not much account when x can't be used. Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Tom's hungry, time to eat lunch. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: On 6/1/2009 6:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: On 6/1/2009 3:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Where did you 'get' the preupgrade. F8 repo via yumex. Ok. You had an install of Fedora 8 and you tried/wanted to upgrade to Fedora 10? Correct? Its been running F8 for over a year, just not recently powered up. There were 50 packages which took several hours to get and install, then I rebooted and installed preupgrade from the F8 repos. So its been running F8 for about 20 months when it was running. I had installed it fresh a week before I took off to go say goodby to my daughter Barbara in late fall of 2007. And yes, what I really wanted was an upgrade to F10. Now its at rawhide, and I have no keyboard or mouse when in x so ATM I'm wandering around in a few tty's. It will have to wait until the weekend but Ill d/l Fedora 8 and try this. -- TYhanks David but don't worry about it, its done, its broken, and now it must be fixed asap cuz I'll need it for the Michigan trip in addition to running fmit. And I'll need it 100% functional before the end of the week, this MI job MUST be done by midnight June 11. That part is not even open for discussion. FCC mandate. David -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp You will be successful in love. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On 6/1/2009 3:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: On 6/1/2009 12:29 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009, Timothy Murphy wrote: David wrote: Is there a way I can try to upgrade now to what will be F11 or do I have to wait another week? Use preupgrade. Works like a charm. How to use PreUpgrade http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade This will take a while. A long while. Assuming you have to check the Display unstable test releases and then choose Rawhide, why not say this? And it should pointed out that if this is not checked, you have a blank list, it is NOT possible to select from an uptodate F8 to F10. That sucks. Whats the deal in forcing everybody into rawhide when there is a show topper bug extant and holding up the F11 release? That smacks of a rather massive insult to those of us who just want to use the machine. It better work or there will be YAKubuntuI before the day is out. All I wanted to do was add fmit to its (F8 on a HP dv5120us) repertoire. But F8 doesn't have libasound which the fmit build needs. This F10 built it ok, and fmit itself hasn't been touched since F6 days, so why can't an F8 install build it? It may be obvious to you, but would not be to many Fedora users. Yeah, obviously getting rawhide shoved down our throats. :( For Fedora 8 to Fedora 10 I can not say. Just this weekend I did a preupgrade test of Fedora 9 to Fedora 10 that worked with no problems. I then did a preupgrade test of that same Fedora 10 to what will be, eventually, Fedora 11 which is still Rawhide. Again with no problems. Just time consuming. No one 'forced' me to do an upgrade to Rawhide. -- David That was my point, David. F9 or F10 is not being presented as an option in preupgrade, the only thing you can do is check the box for bleeding edge and chose rawhide. That has a very high vacuum rating IMO. Where did you 'get' the preupgrade. The Fedora 9 that I started with Saturday came with preupgrade. I clean installed Fedora 9 and did updates to current. When I ran preupgrade, in Fedora 9, I was offered Fedora 10 or, by checking the box, Rawhide (to be Fedora 11). Since the Fedora 10 was up-to-date it's preupgrade offered 'nothing' except the check box that get 'Rawhide'. There was a bug for some, IIRC, with preupgrade in Fedora 9 to Fedora 10. Some but not many. Fedora would never 'force' you to use Rawhide. Although it kicks the poo, IMO, out of Fedora 10. Many changes and improvements. I run Rawhide all of the time anyway. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: On 6/1/2009 9:13 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: On 6/1/2009 6:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: On 6/1/2009 3:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Where did you 'get' the preupgrade. F8 repo via yumex. Ok. You had an install of Fedora 8 and you tried/wanted to upgrade to Fedora 10? Correct? Its been running F8 for over a year, just not recently powered up. There were 50 packages which took several hours to get and install, then I rebooted and installed preupgrade from the F8 repos. So its been running F8 for about 20 months when it was running. I had installed it fresh a week before I took off to go say goodby to my daughter Barbara in late fall of 2007. And yes, what I really wanted was an upgrade to F10. Now its at rawhide, and I have no keyboard or mouse when in x so ATM I'm wandering around in a few tty's. It will have to wait until the weekend but Ill d/l Fedora 8 and try this. -- TYhanks David but don't worry about it, its done, its broken, and now it must be fixed asap cuz I'll need it for the Michigan trip in addition to running fmit. And I'll need it 100% functional before the end of the week, this MI job MUST be done by midnight June 11. That part is not even open for discussion. FCC mandate. Sorry for your troubles. Might I suggest a Live-CD install of Fedora 10. That only takes a few minutes. If no one can offer a fix for the x problems, that will happen tomorrow. It was just that I hated to lose all the customizations I had done to make the network work, things like that, and it almost did succeed in screwing the pooch, it overwrote my /etc/hosts file, and left me with a zero length resolv.conf. It did, amazingly, leave my hard coded ipv4 address alone. And one thing I can complement rawhide on, tty* is almost running at the displays native resolution instead of the 80x24 screen F8 had. ? I just typed yum check-update, 2 hours after doing the preupgrade, and it is going to install one package and update another 119. I repeat, WTF? Beer-thirty and I obviously am at least 3 behind here. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Love is what you've been through with somebody. -- James Thurber -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: On 6/1/2009 3:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: Where did you 'get' the preupgrade. From the F8 repos, the ones with the newkey designation. [..] Fedora would never 'force' you to use Rawhide. Although it kicks the poo, IMO, out of Fedora 10. Many changes and improvements. I run Rawhide all of the time anyway. Well, maybe with 120 updated packages which it is installing now, (this is since the rawhide upgrade) the x problem _might_ be fixed. We'll see. I'm beginning to feel like Ric, somebody just shoot me be done with it. Thanks David. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp If it's Tuesday, this must be someone else's fortune. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Monday 01 June 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: On 6/1/2009 3:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 01 June 2009, David wrote: Where did you 'get' the preupgrade. From the F8 repos, the ones with the newkey designation. [..] Fedora would never 'force' you to use Rawhide. Although it kicks the poo, IMO, out of Fedora 10. Many changes and improvements. I run Rawhide all of the time anyway. Well, maybe with 120 updated packages which it is installing now, (this is since the rawhide upgrade) the x problem _might_ be fixed. We'll see. I'm beginning to feel like Ric, somebody just shoot me be done with it. Thanks David. Update, yum dumped out, complaining that kdegraphics-lib was needed by kdegraphics-extras-7.3.5.10.fc8.i386, and when I tell it to install it anyway, returns the same error. removed it, took nearly 2 minutes! I suspect the cpu is running at powersave speed, I haven't heard the fan in ages. But now the rest of the update is errored out, first bitch is about curl, but it looks like index.bz2 is contaminated. If I remove it, it takes about 40 pieces of kde with it. Yum clean all, wash rinse repeat, can somebody bring me a beer? Now its going to grab about 100 drpms. First time I've actually seen that work. Hope it does. But I'm still puzzled, confused and wandering around in a fog. Surely rawhide didn't get 120 new packages in the last 2 hours Explanations welcomed. And I still need that beer. :) And that didn't work. How can I force yum to overwrite /usr/share/man/man1/curl.1.gz from the fc8 install with the f11_x64 version? Its also bitching about all the x86_64 stuff conflicting with the i586 stuff from kde-4.2.3. Is there a force option for yum now? Not according to the man page, crap... Burning F10 dvd if I can get my drive to recognize it has a dvd-r blank disk in it. Yup, recognized the 2nd disk, so its off to the races. Why the hell did I even think about pulling that lappy out and putting it to use? ATM, I can't think of a reason that justifies all this hell. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Boob's Law: You always find something in the last place you look. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 21:01 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Well, its busy putting the finishing touches and the reboot to rawhide right now. It just asked for a runlevel 3 passwd. And the first casualty is my accessory usb mouse, its dead and I am stuck with that totally worthless scratchpad, which I swear picks up the local radio station, its totally spastic if the hand isn't held so high above the keyboard when typing that its strictly one finger typing. Gene, I think if you look at System - Hardware - Mouse in F11, there is a setting to disable the touchpad when typing. If you don't see that, or if you use KDE and it doesn't offer that option, check out syndaemon, which is the utility that accomplishes that. It's part of the synaptics driver package. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On Monday 01 June 2009, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 21:01 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Well, its busy putting the finishing touches and the reboot to rawhide right now. It just asked for a runlevel 3 passwd. And the first casualty is my accessory usb mouse, its dead and I am stuck with that totally worthless scratchpad, which I swear picks up the local radio station, its totally spastic if the hand isn't held so high above the keyboard when typing that its strictly one finger typing. Gene, I think if you look at System - Hardware - Mouse in F11, there is a setting to disable the touchpad when typing. If you don't see that, or if you use KDE and it doesn't offer that option, check out syndaemon, which is the utility that accomplishes that. It's part of the synaptics driver package. To do that, it has to recognize a doubletap or a left click on the scratchpad. It did neither. F10 disk in drive, boot from dvd try 2 now, it locked up when I tried to delete the existing LVM crap so I could partition it the way I wanted on the first try. And it just did it again, would not delete the LVM stuff, claiming I had to define a root partition, so I went down to /dev/sda1, the ntfs partition, and clicked edit. And for the second time it is frozen solid. I was going to remove it as the xp install on that 30 gigs is of no more use to me, and set it up as a couple of linux partitions, starting with a 500 meg /boot. Correction, it will wake up and let me move the mouse 2 or 3 inches, then freeze again for 2 or 3 minutes. I've been bitching long and loudly (since FC2 TBE) about the fedora partitioning tools, and every increment in fedora finds an even more piss- poor, broken partitioning tool being supplied. Its LVM or there is the hiway to fedora, and from 2 personal experiences, one wrong byte on an LVM system=total loss. Reinstall from scratch, there is no repair facility, no e2fsck for lvm. Screw that... I'll find a copy of gparted and fix it, then see if I can bypass that menu, really folks, but why the hell should I have to? Humm, better yet, I have a kubuntu-8.04 disk around here someplace. Yeah, that's the ticket. And that will leave only this box running fedora 10 in my whole network. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Never insult an alligator until you've crossed the river. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
update to F11 with yum
Hi all, what's the status for trying to upgrade F10 to F11 using yum- I'm trying to upgrade against the 11-Preview version which is available but crash into some dependencie problems. Is there a way I can try to upgrade now to what will be F11 or do I have to wait another week? -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On 01/06/09 00:13, Martín Marqués wrote: Hi all, what's the status for trying to upgrade F10 to F11 using yum- I'm trying to upgrade against the 11-Preview version which is available but crash into some dependencie problems. Is there a way I can try to upgrade now to what will be F11 or do I have to wait another week? I have update now, but I am much satisfied. I have removed some dependency packages, PyQT4 etc. Then yum update without some problem. Here is list of removed packages: -- Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.5 is needed by package PyKDE4-4.2.3-2.fc10.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.5 is needed by package sos-1.8-11.fc10.noarch (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libpython2.5.so.1.0 is needed by package PyKDE4-4.2.3-2.fc10.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libcdio.so.7(CDIO_7) is needed by package vcdimager-0.7.23-5.fc7.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.5 is needed by package PyKDE4-4.2.3-2.fc10.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libcdio.so.7 is needed by package vcdimager-0.7.23-5.fc7.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libssl.so.7 is needed by package 6:kdelibs-4.2.3-2.fc10.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.7 is needed by package botan-1.8.2-1.fc10.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libiso9660.so.5 is needed by package vcdimager-0.7.23-5.fc7.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libpython2.5.so.1.0 is needed by package PyQt4-4.4.4-6.fc10.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.5 is needed by package preupgrade-1.1.0-1.fc10.noarch (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libpython2.5.so.1.0 is needed by package VirtualBox-2.2.0_45846_fedora9-1.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.5 is needed by package PyQt4-4.4.4-6.fc10.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.7 is needed by package ipsec-tools-0.7.2-1.fc10.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.7 is needed by package ntp-4.2.4p7-1.fc10.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: librpmio-4.6.so is needed by package sectool-0.9.2-4.fc10.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.7 is needed by package VirtualBox-2.2.0_45846_fedora9-1.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: librpm-4.6.so is needed by package sectool-0.9.2-4.fc10.i386 (installed) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
2009/5/31 David dgbo...@comcast.net: On 5/31/2009 6:13 PM, Martín Marqués wrote: Hi all, what's the status for trying to upgrade F10 to F11 using yum- I'm trying to upgrade against the 11-Preview version which is available but crash into some dependencie problems. Is there a way I can try to upgrade now to what will be F11 or do I have to wait another week? Use preupgrade. Works like a charm. How to use PreUpgrade http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade How can preupgrade solve dependencies that yum can't? -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to F11 with yum
On 06/01/2009 06:25 AM, Martín Marqués wrote: How can preupgrade solve dependencies that yum can't? Anaconda can ignore them. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
