Re: CD/DVD Distributors
Paul W. Frields wrote: On what basis do we remove vendors from our distribution list? Looking at the various replies. Without knowing the actual complaint(s). It's difficult, to make a judgement. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors Remember, we do reserve the right to refuse or modify any listing at any time and for any reason. 1: As it's the Fedora Brand, an apology as appropriate. (!) Reasoning, the vendor is acting on behalf of Fedora, Remember IANAL. (2) Can replacement media be sent via freemedia? contact Thomas (3) More Info please, on issues that are important and that can affect Fedora, don't ask for blind decisions. (!) I know the question wouldn't have been asked if not deemed necessary, but notwithstanding.the jury hasn't been to court. Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( Skype: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: CD/DVD Distributors
addendum: I don't see any policy pertaining to removal. Frank -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora - Ireland (maybe ot-ish)
Hi all, this is a great idea... I was thinking in something similar but cover all the spanish user groups, focus in one hispanic portal like other open source communities as http://es.opensolaris.org (OpenSolaris Hispano) but in this way = http://es.fedoraproject.org (Fedora Hispano). Thus, with his own mail-list and irc-channel. What do you thinking about? Regards. http://vfernandezg.blogspot.com 2008/8/30 Frank Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi gang, 1: Am wondering what the reaction would be to setting up a Fedora-Ireland u\g. Seem to be lagging behind U again http://www.ubuntu-ie.org/ 1b: Should, I try get web-space myself (who know nothing of webbing) or try get something within fedora webspace. 2: Looking at Camara http://www.camara.ie/ What would be the opinion, of Fedora Ambassador(s)\ug, (namely me at the moment). Getting involved with the Camara project, (Ubuntu Based) but been involved as Fedora Reps. The general idea, being to try setup a local office in the South-East Ireland. As they currently have Belfast and Dublin. I have signed up for sfd, to get the fell of what going on and make new contacts. Frank PS: please update any gpg keys to keyid: 46F74662 -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( Skype: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Linux popularity across the globe
Good to hear this :) 2008/8/22 Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Linux popularity across the globe*: http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=340 The Linux landscape is constantly changing and has a strong community of both developers and users. But where is Linux the most popular, and where are the different Linux distributions the most popular? To try to answer these questions, we have looked at data from Google with the highly useful Insights for Search, which gave us a number of interesting and often surprising results. Aside from just looking at Linux itself, we have included eight common Linux distributions in this survey: Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Fedora, Debian, Red Hat, Mandriva, Slackware and Gentoo. . *Some interesting observations*: * Ubuntu is most popular in Italy and Cuba. * OpenSUSE is most popular in Russia and the Czech Republic. * Red Hat is most popular in Bangladesh and Nepal. * Debian is most popular in Cuba. * Cuba is in the top five (interest-wise) of three of the eight distributions in this survey. * Indonesia is in the top five of four of the distributions. * Russia and the Czech Republic are in the top five of five of the distributions. * The United States is not in the top five of any of the distributions. Note again that when we say popular here, we mean how popular the search term is. After all, this is based on Google search data. . *Countries with highest interest in Fedora*: 1. Sri Lanka 2. Bangladesh 3. India 4. Nepal 5. Zimbabwe Dig deeper into Google's search statistics for Fedora here. Google Insights for search Linux: http://www.google.com/insights/search/#cat=q=linuxgeo=date=clp=cmpt=q -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom² and rapid innovation -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Rajesh Pandey Nepal -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: CD/DVD Distributors
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: On what basis do we remove vendors from our distribution list? They enjoy their presence on the list at the pleasure of the FPL or other Ambassadors/Marketing leadership. If they are misbehaving, just remove them. IMHO, no need for a committee discussion on this item. --Max -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: CD/DVD Distributors
Max Spevack wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: They enjoy their presence on the list at the pleasure of the FPL or other Ambassadors/Marketing leadership. If they are misbehaving, just remove them. IMHO, no need for a committee discussion on this item. Agreed, but would be nice to know if it was a scratched cd, or fraud. How it affects Fedora overall? Get a bad car, who gets the shoulder. Frank -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: CD/DVD Distributors
They enjoy their presence on the list at the pleasure of the FPL or other Ambassadors/Marketing leadership. If they are misbehaving, just remove them. IMHO, no need for a committee discussion on this item. Agreed, but would be nice to know if it was a scratched cd, or fraud. How it affects Fedora overall? I agree to this idea. Like Max said, there's no need to ask a committee if we can remove them. But when removing, we should notify someone somewhere at least for traceability. A bit like what I could see from the last weeks I spent in #fedora-ops When an op wants to ban someone, he does. And he notifies others ops in #fedora-ops. This way, we all know that person A was banned, why he was, if we should also ban him from other chans, etc... We can then discuss the decision if we want, but there's no need to. Something like that could be good for distributors too. For example, if a distributor comes to complain to me to discuss his removal, I have all infos to explain him the decision of his removal. Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Linux popularity across the globe
Well, here we are ! :) 2008/8/31 Rajesh Pandey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good to hear this :) 2008/8/22 Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Linux popularity across the globe*: http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=340 The Linux landscape is constantly changing and has a strong community of both developers and users. But where is Linux the most popular, and where are the different Linux distributions the most popular? To try to answer these questions, we have looked at data from Google with the highly useful Insights for Search, which gave us a number of interesting and often surprising results. Aside from just looking at Linux itself, we have included eight common Linux distributions in this survey: Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Fedora, Debian, Red Hat, Mandriva, Slackware and Gentoo. . *Some interesting observations*: * Ubuntu is most popular in Italy and Cuba. * OpenSUSE is most popular in Russia and the Czech Republic. * Red Hat is most popular in Bangladesh and Nepal. * Debian is most popular in Cuba. * Cuba is in the top five (interest-wise) of three of the eight distributions in this survey. * Indonesia is in the top five of four of the distributions. * Russia and the Czech Republic are in the top five of five of the distributions. * The United States is not in the top five of any of the distributions. Note again that when we say popular here, we mean how popular the search term is. After all, this is based on Google search data. . *Countries with highest interest in Fedora*: 1. Sri Lanka 2. Bangladesh 3. India 4. Nepal 5. Zimbabwe Dig deeper into Google's search statistics for Fedora here. Google Insights for search Linux: http://www.google.com/insights/search/#cat=q=linuxgeo=date=clp=cmpt=q -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom² and rapid innovation -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Rajesh Pandey Nepal -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. NÃO IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM : -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- -- Atenciosamente, Lucas do Amaral Saboya CEFET-CE - UAB-CE. Linux System Administrator Fedora Ambassador Fedora Translator -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: CD/DVD Distributors
On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 15:07 +0200, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: They enjoy their presence on the list at the pleasure of the FPL or other Ambassadors/Marketing leadership. If they are misbehaving, just remove them. IMHO, no need for a committee discussion on this item. Agreed, but would be nice to know if it was a scratched cd, or fraud. How it affects Fedora overall? I agree to this idea. Like Max said, there's no need to ask a committee if we can remove them. But when removing, we should notify someone somewhere at least for traceability. A bit like what I could see from the last weeks I spent in #fedora-ops When an op wants to ban someone, he does. And he notifies others ops in #fedora-ops. This way, we all know that person A was banned, why he was, if we should also ban him from other chans, etc... We can then discuss the decision if we want, but there's no need to. Something like that could be good for distributors too. For example, if a distributor comes to complain to me to discuss his removal, I have all infos to explain him the decision of his removal. Since the vendor in question hasn't responded to my attempt (or the customer's attempts) to contact them, I'm happy to note it here publicly now: LinuxOnline.biz apparently shipped a customer a Fedora CD set in which the media will not verify in any of the customer's systems. Beyond that, the customer claims to have tried to contact the vendor repeatedly with no response. I've tried contacting the vendor as well with no response. Note that I apparently don't have any access to edit the Distribution/ hierarchy on the wiki, so someone will need to remove this vendor for me. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: CD/DVD Distributors
Paul W. Frields wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 15:07 +0200, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: Since the vendor in question hasn't responded to my attempt (or the customer's attempts) to contact them, I'm happy to note it here publicly now: LinuxOnline.biz apparently shipped a customer a Fedora CD set in which the media will not verify in any of the customer's systems. Beyond that, the customer claims to have tried to contact the vendor repeatedly with no response. I've tried contacting the vendor as well with no response. Note that I apparently don't have any access to edit the Distribution/ hierarchy on the wiki, so someone will need to remove this vendor for me. Has the customer received replacement mediu from Fedora? If not send me his details off-list. Free-Media hat. Frank -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: CD/DVD Distributors
There should be a clear owner - perhaps FAmSCo (they are already supposed to be the public face) or something similar - that makes decisions about pulling people from the list. And $owner should be identified on the page so people know who to complain to. If there isn't a clear owner things are going to be escalated to you continually. But to more clearly answer the question - a listing should be removed if it the recommendation (even though it isn't one) is causing Fedora's reputation to be sullied, or Fedora users to experience grief. Perhaps it can be rectified by a call from someone within the Fedora project, perhaps not. 2008/8/30 Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On what basis do we remove vendors from our distribution list? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: CD/DVD Distributors
2008/8/30 Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On what basis do we remove vendors from our distribution list? Do we have a Grievience Cell for dealing with customer dissatisfaction? Vendors should clearly state the quality of the media being used. We also need to distinguish between those who do it for excessive profit and those who do not. The courier/postal charges needs to be fixed too. The rate for Indian vendors should be set at say =2 DVDs - Rs. 20 Courier - Rs 30 SpeedPost -Rs 25 For larger orders standard discount rates should apply. Vendors should also indicate their duplication capabilities. People who can pay for large quantities of media for use in install fests and such should be able to locate them easily. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
