Re: Is Fedora for you?
Hello Sir, I am student from SASTRA Tamil Nadu, India and I found that Fedora 11 is really cool and ideal for educational and research oriented purposes. Many of my friends want to do their academic mini project in open source platform for which I feel fedora 11 shall be ideal. I want to spread the popularity of Fedora 11 here.Could you please help me go about it? I m really zealous and willing to promote fedora.I also want to contribute towards it. Thank you and awaiting your reply Sreeram Vasudevan B.Tech IT SASTRA Nothing splendid has ever been achieved except by those who dared believe that something inside of them was superior to circumstance !!! -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: The One Page Release Notes
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:59:02AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 07/14/2009 02:55 AM, Eric Christensen wrote: The Docs Team, at the FAD @ SELF, had an idea to create a one-page Release Notes for users that aren't as technical as some of our other users. This Release Notes would be something pretty, graphical, and would only contain high-level changes. I guess what we are looking for is something that is a composite of the tour and release overview to quote Paul (stickster). How is that different from the release summary we used to do before? How do we differentiate this from the more technical detailed release notes? I'm with Rahul here, this is almost exactly the idea of what we used to aim for with the Release Overview/Summary. There used to be lots of discussions about how best to create the Release Overview from the Release Notes without lots of duplication of effort across teams, and that's why the page Rahul linked looks like a repeated version of the Release Notes, because at that time we were experimenting with writing the two on a single page and then dividing the content out for different audiences. That didn't work particularly well, and certainly restarting the Release Overview/Summary with a clearer mission and method is a worthwhile goal, one I'd like to help with, though it wouldn't hurt to show a bit more knowledge and recognition of the work people did before... something that often seems to be lacking a bit in Fedora land! I've been guilty of this in the past, but I can now appreciate how trying it is to people who've worked on stuff. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Is Fedora for you?
On 14/07/09 07:49, Sreeram Vasudevan wrote: Hello Sir, I am student from SASTRA Tamil Nadu, India and I found that Fedora 11 is really cool and ideal for educational and research oriented purposes. Many of my friends want to do their academic mini project in open source platform for which I feel fedora 11 shall be ideal. I want to spread the popularity of Fedora 11 here.Could you please help me go about it? I m really zealous and willing to promote fedora.I also want to contribute towards it. Thank you and awaiting your reply Sreeram Vasudevan B.Tech IT SASTRA 1: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors Join the Ambassador* program, it can be very helpful to .what you need. 2:http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Never hijack a thread. Start a new subject. 3: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india A very active Indian Community. Regards, Frank -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: The One Page Release Notes
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 03:40, Jonathan Robertsjon...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:59:02AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 07/14/2009 02:55 AM, Eric Christensen wrote: The Docs Team, at the FAD @ SELF, had an idea to create a one-page Release Notes for users that aren't as technical as some of our other users. This Release Notes would be something pretty, graphical, and would only contain high-level changes. I guess what we are looking for is something that is a composite of the tour and release overview to quote Paul (stickster). How is that different from the release summary we used to do before? How do we differentiate this from the more technical detailed release notes? I'm with Rahul here, this is almost exactly the idea of what we used to aim for with the Release Overview/Summary. There used to be lots of discussions about how best to create the Release Overview from the Release Notes without lots of duplication of effort across teams, and that's why the page Rahul linked looks like a repeated version of the Release Notes, because at that time we were experimenting with writing the two on a single page and then dividing the content out for different audiences. That didn't work particularly well, and certainly restarting the Release Overview/Summary with a clearer mission and method is a worthwhile goal, one I'd like to help with, though it wouldn't hurt to show a bit more knowledge and recognition of the work people did before... something that often seems to be lacking a bit in Fedora land! I've been guilty of this in the past, but I can now appreciate how trying it is to people who've worked on stuff. Jon Jon, I don't think we were trying to say that someone wasn't doing their job in creating this documentation. We are simply saying that there may be a better way of doing these projects. I know that I've been asked where people can find a document much like I've explained here. The Docs Project is constantly looking how we can produce the Release Notes better and that we are getting the information out to our users in a better way. This idea is just one of those thoughts. I know I appreciate everything that everyone does for the Fedora Project. Eric -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: The One Page Release Notes
Jon, I don't think we were trying to say that someone wasn't doing their job in creating this documentation. We are simply saying that there may be a better way of doing these projects. I know that I've been asked where people can find a document much like I've explained here. The Docs Project is constantly looking how we can produce the Release Notes better and that we are getting the information out to our users in a better way. This idea is just one of those thoughts. I know I appreciate everything that everyone does for the Fedora Project. I wasn't suggesting that, simply that more recognition of work that's done before would sometimes go a long way, rather than dropping by and saying we have this great new idea... without showing any awareness of similar work that's been done before. A quick bit of Google searching shows enough to get a feel for what has come before. I know in the past this has made work I've done feel undervalued, and left me feeling very frustrated with the project as a whole. Not only would it prevent such feelings but it would also lead to better quality work, building on the shoulders of giants and all that... I'd like to emphasise as well that I'm almost certain that everyone in the project appreciates all the work done by other contributors, and I'm sure you're no different. Just a little more research before hand might go a long way. This, I guess, is just a bit of a hot button issue for me that I'm a little quick to react to... Like I said, and I'm sorry it's been pushed to the side, but I'd like to help with this effort, so please do keep us on the marketing list informed of what direction you push things. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Mel Chua wrote: As usual, we will be going through https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule. I have a topic that I would like to see the Marketing Team address: The last event that I attended, I got a bunch of questions regarding Fedora usage on various netbooks. I believe that this is a marketing problem more than it is an engineering problem, because we have a variety of Fedora spins (including the default one) that would work fine on Netbooks. I think we need a simple page -- /wiki/Netbooks -- that offers some best practices/tips/troubleshooting/etc. for people who are using Fedora on different Netbooks. --Max -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora on Netbooks (Was: Re: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting)
The last event that I attended, I got a bunch of questions regarding Fedora usage on various netbooks. I believe that this is a marketing problem more than it is an engineering problem, because we have a variety of Fedora spins (including the default one) that would work fine on Netbooks. I think we need a simple page -- /wiki/Netbooks -- that offers some best practices/tips/troubleshooting/etc. for people who are using Fedora on different Netbooks. I also had a lot of these questions at LSM. It turned out people were more looking for a spin dedicated to netbooks (see UNR), they didn't really want to know that Gnome runs perfectly fine with a small display. Last time I checked, we didn't have such a dedicated desktop environment in our repositories, did I miss something ? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 09:05:11PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote: On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Mel Chua wrote: As usual, we will be going through https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule. I have a topic that I would like to see the Marketing Team address: The last event that I attended, I got a bunch of questions regarding Fedora usage on various netbooks. I believe that this is a marketing problem more than it is an engineering problem, because we have a variety of Fedora spins (including the default one) that would work fine on Netbooks. I think we need a simple page -- /wiki/Netbooks -- that offers some best practices/tips/troubleshooting/etc. for people who are using Fedora on different Netbooks. I agree, and I think we should take a look at what experience Fedora offers right now on those Netbooks. When someone tries Fedora out of the box, what if anything are they missing? I have anecdotal reports for F11 that range from OK to amazing. Probably the best thing we could provide is a roundup of support with a green/yellow/red HUD, where people can see if there are any problem areas. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Meeting logs July 14 2009
Meeting bots make my life so much easier. Here's today's meeting log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-14/fedora-meeting.2009-07-14-19.00.log.html Also listed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009 I'm going to eat lunch, then do follow-ups. Lots of things hitting the list this week, including an action-oriented summary of this week's somewhat longish log - prepare your inboxes. ;) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora on Netbooks (Was: Re: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting)
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Paul W. Frieldssticks...@gmail.com wrote: This is a great point Mathieu. As a matter of fact, one of the calls I got about Fedora 11 on a netbook was from a certain prominent executive, who installed it on his HP 2133 and said it was the first distro of any kind where he could read the screen properly. Perhaps we are just lucky there and it has more to say about the usability sacrifices of a 9 inch screen Displays are getting bigger and bigger with each model release. The HP 2140 and Dell Mini 10v now has a 10 inch screens. -jef -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
testing moderation
test -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora on Netbooks (Was: Re: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting)
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:40:12PM -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Paul W. Frieldssticks...@gmail.com wrote: This is a great point Mathieu. As a matter of fact, one of the calls I got about Fedora 11 on a netbook was from a certain prominent executive, who installed it on his HP 2133 and said it was the first distro of any kind where he could read the screen properly. Perhaps we are just lucky there and it has more to say about the usability sacrifices of a 9 inch screen Displays are getting bigger and bigger with each model release. The HP 2140 and Dell Mini 10v now has a 10 inch screens. Let's see if we can get this discussion either moved to a relevant list, or captured somewhere that we can use in showing how well Fedora works on netbooks. My comment was more of an aside -- trying to make the point that I'm not sure we know how well we're doing on netbooks without (1) knowing whether netbook users are reporting their experiences and problems, and turning those into actionable bugs; and maybe (2) forming an effort to do that in Fedora, with the intention of getting appropriate fixes upstream. And just to put *way* too fine a point on it, *that* conversation needs to be had somewhere other than on this list, too! :-D -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
foobar rawhide weather report
Hey, I was going over the requirements for $foobar and I was thinking about the Rawhide weather report idea we had (check the upper right corner of the mockup https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/c/ce/FooBar.png ) The idea was basically we'd keep track of how broken rawhide was on a given day and report that as a parody of a weather report. I don't know if something like that would be useful, but if so, I think it should factor into the requirements. Similarly, there's an idea in the mockup to show live dents (please let's not use twitter). That might also need to factor in the requirements if we decide this design idea is worth pursuing. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: foobar rawhide weather report
2009/7/14 Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org: The idea was basically we'd keep track of how broken rawhide was on a given day and report that as a parody of a weather report. I don't know if something like that would be useful, but if so, I think it should factor into the requirements. Useful? that I can't say. But humorous and personable...yes. Just to play devil's advocate you could also play around with a forest fire danger level theme. http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/shastatrinity/images/nra/photos/vic-photos/smokey-close.jpg Only you can prevent Rawhide Breakage But the rawhide postcasting (thats the opposite of forecasting right?) report probably probably has a better website feel to it. -jefI look forward to being able to build predictive models based on historical rawhide weather data and actually predict tomorrow's rawhide weather.spaleta -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Self-Introduction: Martin Duffy
Hi everyone! My name is Martin, I'm from upstate New York, and my sister Mairin works for Red Hat and has gotten me into Fedora and open source software in general over the past few years. I finished grad school about a year ago studying English/writing, and currently I'm volunteering in an Americorps program with the Red Cross as my day job. I'm hoping to contribute to Fedora marketing by writing copy, blogs, any kind of media content (podcasts, video, etc.), or whatever else I can (or can learn) to do! My first job out of college was with the State University of NY research foundation writing web content, spotlight features, news, interviews with people, and that sort of thing for one of their Albany-area high tech career exploration sites, and my second job also involved writing (mostly legal writing though) with the NYS Attorney General's office. Anywho, hope I can be useful in marketing Fedora, and I'm usually always on google talk (same ID as my email addy) or on AIM where my sn is justshovejayohbe, so feel free to say hi if you see me! - Martin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Self-Introduction: Martin Duffy
On 07/15/2009 03:14 AM, Martin Duffy wrote: Hi everyone! My name is Martin, I'm from upstate New York, and my sister Mairin works for Red Hat and has gotten me into Fedora and open source software in general over the past few years. I finished grad school about a year ago studying English/writing, and currently I'm volunteering in an Americorps program with the Red Cross as my day job. I'm hoping to contribute to Fedora marketing by writing copy, blogs, any kind of media content (podcasts, video, etc.), or whatever else I can (or can learn) to do! Welcome to Fedora marketing. At a glance I was wondering why Mo was introducing herself again after all this time. Apparently more of the family is getting involved now. Nice. Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: foobar rawhide weather report
2009/7/14 Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org: The idea was basically we'd keep track of how broken rawhide was on a given day and report that as a parody of a weather report. I don't know if something like that would be useful, but if so, I think it should factor into the requirements. Totally. Love. This. Idea. Whenever I see the mockup I look at the forecast and start laughing. Added to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FooBar#Design_requirements. This actually makes a nice use case / litmus test for how easy it is to get little custom tweaks into our platform choice, 'cause it's pretty tough to distinguish them otherwise (going off our current requirements list and comparing it to the platforms listed on the wiki page, without looking at other important things like how responsive is upstream?) Any zikula experts in the audience who can chime in and say yeah, zikula can do that, and it's this hard/easy? My $0.02: for sanity, nifty features like this should be automated as much as possible - autogenerate the forecast based on buildbot, say. --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora Classroom
Thanks, Kevin! I'll start by forwarding this to the marketing list (cc'd), then start doing more specific pings/ideas when I'm going through those meeting notes tonight. Marketing folks, *awesome* opportunity to teach people about your projects and get them involved, and to learn exciting new things. Go go go! --Mel Kevin Fenzi wrote: Greetings. We could use some marketing mojo with the Fedora Classroom project: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom We are always looking for people to teach classes, but also we are looking at ways to get more students to attend classes. We have a help wanted page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom_Help_Wanted and a mailing list: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/classroom Basically we would love to get some folks involved from marketing that could blog post about upcoming classes, post on the fedoraforum, or other ways of increasing attendance. ;) Let me know if you would like to help, or introduce yourself on the mailing list. Thanks, kevin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Self-Introduction: Martin Duffy
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 05:44:12PM -0400, Martin Duffy wrote: Hi everyone! My name is Martin, I'm from upstate New York, and my sister Mairin works for Red Hat and has gotten me into Fedora and open source software in general over the past few years. I finished grad school about a year ago studying English/writing, and currently I'm volunteering in an Americorps program with the Red Cross as my day job. I'm hoping to contribute to Fedora marketing by writing copy, blogs, any kind of media content (podcasts, video, etc.), or whatever else I can (or can learn) to do! My first job out of college was with the State University of NY research foundation writing web content, spotlight features, news, interviews with people, and that sort of thing for one of their Albany-area high tech career exploration sites, and my second job also involved writing (mostly legal writing though) with the NYS Attorney General's office. Anywho, hope I can be useful in marketing Fedora, and I'm usually always on google talk (same ID as my email addy) or on AIM where my sn is justshovejayohbe, so feel free to say hi if you see me! I did the same thing. Say Martin, you wouldn't be interested in changing your name to something like Eoghan, would you? Otherwise I forecast a lot of crossed email threads... :-) Just kidding of course. Welcome to our huge dysfunctional (but basically happy) family! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: $foobar update
On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 05:44:42PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:45:27AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: Another thing for the jack todo when he gets back list, then. :) I'll add it to the wikitable (updates coming soon, racing my RSI and laptop battery running out so this might happen in 7 hours if i don't finish in 20min.) I also see that tchung, nman64, and stickster are admins on the list as well, so maybe one of them can take a peek and fix this if they have a sec before then. *pokepoke* Hm. Well, somehow I've managed to *not* have that admin password on my list, but I didn't recall I was an owner, so maybe it's not such a big surprise. I know that tchung is usually not around these days, as he's on hiatus from Fedora for personal reasons, and nman64 is sometimes scarce too. We should probably get some of the primary folks around these parts added. Max got me fixed up with the password, and I've added Steven, JonRob, and Mel to the admins list. I'll send each of you guys the admin password. I did *not* change the default for messages from non-members away from the current setting, which is Discard. In a couple hours, I got more spam than I get from my other admin lists in a day or two, meaning this list (probably because of its name) is a big fat spam target. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
foobar platform pre-decision
At the meeting today there was general consensus to use Zikula for the Foobar project, mostly under the reasoning of kill two birds with one stone (Docs Project is also using Zikula) and upstream is awesome (Zikula devs are very responsive to the needs of Docs, and will be responsive to the needs of Marketing) We're leaving the subject open until next meeting unless there is a major blocker that isn't solved by that time. Flame away! -- Ian Weller i...@ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 pgpuY4SHGix7Z.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
