The Time Has Come to Say Good Bye
It's hard to say good bye, but part we must. When you love what you do, when you love the people you get to do it with, when you love the way you do it, there is never a good time to leave, but there is a right time, and for me, personally and professionally, this is that right time. I wish to reiterate my gratitude to each and every single person, which I summed up in my email announcing my departure which will always be here: http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/07/jack-is-going-going-goinggone.html. In parting, it's hard to convey raw emotion as, personally, words cannot describe how privileged I feel to have been affiliated and employed by Red Hat and Fedora for the better part of the last decade. To be a part of Red Hat and Fedora is to be a part of the nobility; a precious pedigree of ideological steadfastness, technological excellence, supreme work ethic, and above all else, the truest, kindest and most passionate and compassionate people. At the same time, it is awkward to be both nobility and revolutionary--two roles which have historically been at antipodes--at the forefront of the great re-establishment of the philosophy of technology and how it is put into practice. This extraordinary conundrum is what drew me to Open Source and to Red Hat and it should serve as a constant source of both inspiration and pride for each of us, constantly. Similar to the Gandhi quote which lines the walls of every Red Hat office, when they said we couldn't we did, when they said we would fail, we succeeded, when they said we were wrong, we have and will continue to prove ourselves right, every moment of every hour of every day. This fierce belief in our ability to transcend and ascend to the highest of heights and noblest of peaks is what Red Hat stands for and it is for instilling this within me that I am thankful. It is true, and those who doubt it, will be forever stuck in the vacuum of time as we climb ever higher. Keep climbing, keep striving and most important keep your faith, we are in the right place and we are winning! Escher was right. Men step down and yet rise up, the hand is drawn by he hand it draws, and a woman is poised on her very own shoulders. Without us, this universe is simple, run with the regularity of a prison. Galaxies spin along stipulated arcs, stars collapse at the specified hour, crows U-turn south and monkeys rut on schedule. But we, whom the cosmos shaped for a billion years to fit this place, we know it failed. For we can reshape, reach an arm through the bars, and, Escher-like, pull ourselves out. And while whales feeding on mackerel are confined forever to the sea, we climb the waves, look down from clouds. Now go tell the kids. This is Jack, choking up and signing off. Godspeed friends. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
AW: The Time Has Come to Say Good Bye
Jack, I wish you all the best! May the force be with you :-) Allthough we didn't have much to do with each other, I really appreciate the work you did in the last decade! Best, Oliver - Ursprüngliche Nachricht - Von: Jack Aboutboul j...@redhat.com Gesendet: Freitag, 14. August 2009 18:52 An: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com; fedora-ambassadors-l...@redhat.com Betreff: The Time Has Come to Say Good Bye It's hard to say good bye, but part we must. When you love what you do, when you love the people you get to do it with, when you love the way you do it, there is never a good time to leave, but there is a right time, and for me, personally and professionally, this is that right time. I wish to reiterate my gratitude to each and every single person, which I summed up in my email announcing my departure which will always be here: http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/07/jack-is-going-going-goinggone.html. In parting, it's hard to convey raw emotion as, personally, words cannot describe how privileged I feel to have been affiliated and employed by Red Hat and Fedora for the better part of the last decade. To be a part of Red Hat and Fedora is to be a part of the nobility; a precious pedigree of ideological steadfastness, technological excellence, supreme work ethic, and above all else, the truest, kindest and most passionate and compassionate people. At the same time, it is awkw [Die ursprüngliche Nachricht wird nicht vollständig eingefügt.] -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Temporary FI platform
Are the same things that were blocking zikula for the docs team blocking zikula for marketing? Would it be that hard to get even an initial, relatively blank zikula instance on servers that are not covered by the Infrastructure change freeze and then work on polishing that? Great question. It sounds like some of them are, at least legally: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-August/000140.html (in response to http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-August/000138.html) Technically, though, it should not be that hard. This is what needs to be set up: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-August/000141.html (I don't think there's any real blocker on a test instance happening, just that nobody's stepped up to do it yet.) Robyn, is this something you'd be willing to work on? If Infra can get a test instance installed, could you take some F11 marketing content (for instance, the stuff already written up at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points) and take an hour or two to experiment with publishing those (copy-paste the content into blank articles) through the system to see what the interface/workflow/tags/feeds/etc. look like, to help give us a sense of how this setup might feel like to contribute news to and consume news from? (Or was it a different kind of help you wanted to offer?) That should put us in good shape for a right-after-F12 zikula launch for FI, but doesn't solve the temporary until that launches in, say, January, we need a place to put content and get feeds problem which I was hoping to tackle by getting a quick-and-dirty wp install up and skinned so we can concentrate on content for F12 while further platform work progresses in the background. That's why I'm temporarily looking into the wordpress thing. Does this make sense? --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Temporary FI platform
Well, that was quick. Ignore my last email - seems like I misspoke. Are the same things that were blocking zikula for the docs team blocking zikula for marketing? Would it be that hard to get even an initial, relatively blank zikula instance on servers that are not covered by the Infrastructure change freeze and then work on polishing that? After a conversation in #fedora-websites with ricky and poelcat, the answer to can we make a zikula-based FI go live for F12? now seems like this: * we aren't sure... * but there actually aren't any good reasons why it wouldn't work, * so we should try it until we hit an actual blocker. The legal things I thought were blocking zikula for us were actually blocking zikula for docs, *not* marketing. All 3 packages we need for an FI zikula instance (zikula, zikula-module-crpTag, and zikula-module-News) are already packaged and legal-happy. And zikula is extremely easy to set up. I just followed https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox, and in 14 minutes I went from which packages should I download? to logged into working local instance with both modules installed. So the next step is to get a test instance up. I'm working on this right now and it should be pretty quick (I expect to have it up and running by our Tuesday meeting, given that once I get through all the join Infrastructure! stuff it should take no more than 14 minutes for me to do this all again). The ticket is https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/14 - again, I've got it, but if someone gets to it faster than I do (probably super-late tonight; if not, Monday) I have no objections to that. :) After it's up, we're going to need a few testers to learn how to use Zikula and try putting up a few articles (using old content from F11 as dummy text) to see how the workflow goes. Robyn, if you'd like to run forward with this once the test instance is set up, that would be immensely awesome. I expect people to get confused the first time through, so the real goal of the first test run will be to document our confusion so we can figure out how to fix it. :) (then again, it was way easier than I expected to install, so maybe it'll be easy to learn as well! I couldn't figure it out, but I was only able to spend 5 minutes trying, and didn't look for tutorials or anything.) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Temporary FI platform
Sure, I'd be happy to help out with posting docs, testing things out, reporting back, etc. Question: are you planning on setting up pre-defined tags, buckets, categories, etc. for the system? Or have these even been determined - or waiting to be determined based on how the workflow feels once it's set up? I'm happy to provide feedback there - if needed - I'm kind of a document organization neat-freak (if only I could figure out how to apply this OCD trait to my closet). How will access be defined? Will there be more of a web-based apply for access / permissions thing, or will it be tied to my fedoraproject id? And if it is the latter, is there a specific group I should apply to to get the ball rolling? -r On 8/14/09, Mel Chua m...@redhat.com wrote: Well, that was quick. Ignore my last email - seems like I misspoke. Are the same things that were blocking zikula for the docs team blocking zikula for marketing? Would it be that hard to get even an initial, relatively blank zikula instance on servers that are not covered by the Infrastructure change freeze and then work on polishing that? After a conversation in #fedora-websites with ricky and poelcat, the answer to can we make a zikula-based FI go live for F12? now seems like this: * we aren't sure... * but there actually aren't any good reasons why it wouldn't work, * so we should try it until we hit an actual blocker. The legal things I thought were blocking zikula for us were actually blocking zikula for docs, *not* marketing. All 3 packages we need for an FI zikula instance (zikula, zikula-module-crpTag, and zikula-module-News) are already packaged and legal-happy. And zikula is extremely easy to set up. I just followed https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox, and in 14 minutes I went from which packages should I download? to logged into working local instance with both modules installed. So the next step is to get a test instance up. I'm working on this right now and it should be pretty quick (I expect to have it up and running by our Tuesday meeting, given that once I get through all the join Infrastructure! stuff it should take no more than 14 minutes for me to do this all again). The ticket is https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/14 - again, I've got it, but if someone gets to it faster than I do (probably super-late tonight; if not, Monday) I have no objections to that. :) After it's up, we're going to need a few testers to learn how to use Zikula and try putting up a few articles (using old content from F11 as dummy text) to see how the workflow goes. Robyn, if you'd like to run forward with this once the test instance is set up, that would be immensely awesome. I expect people to get confused the first time through, so the real goal of the first test run will be to document our confusion so we can figure out how to fix it. :) (then again, it was way easier than I expected to install, so maybe it'll be easy to learn as well! I couldn't figure it out, but I was only able to spend 5 minutes trying, and didn't look for tutorials or anything.) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Temporary FI platform
Sure, I'd be happy to help out with posting docs, testing things out, reporting back, etc. Thanks! Your questions are great - we don't have firm answers for them, but here's what I think they should be (as usual, whoever does the work gets the final say ;) so if you have good ideas, let's do them! Question: are you planning on setting up pre-defined tags, buckets, categories, etc. for the system? Yes. There will definitely be categories, and probably tags. There's a draft list up at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content_categories but this is by no means the final say. Or have these even been determined - or waiting to be determined based on how the workflow feels once it's set up? Mostly the latter. We need to talk with News (pcalarco) on what they'd like for workflow, but ultimately someone just has to Decide and Start Doing Stuff. Is that something you'd be interested in? As long as the front-end categories/tags/URLs stay the same, we can start with a draft workflow and then adjust as needed, depending on how it feels once it's set up. I'm happy to provide feedback there - if needed Oh, it's needed! How will access be defined? Will there be more of a web-based apply for access / permissions thing, or will it be tied to my fedoraproject id? And if it is the latter, is there a specific group I should apply to to get the ball rolling? Ideally, it'll be tied to FAS. I'm not sure how much work that will be to hook up, though - so we'll start with just create a web-based account until that looks like it isn't going to work much longer. (Which should be pretty soon; my personal panic-meter on this is probably going to kick in around a dozen test users or so.) Maybe not the answers you were looking for, but that's my best shot at it at the moment. :) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Temporary FI platform
On 2009-08-14 09:19:12 PM, Mel Chua wrote: How will access be defined? Will there be more of a web-based apply for access / permissions thing, or will it be tied to my fedoraproject id? And if it is the latter, is there a specific group I should apply to to get the ball rolling? Ideally, it'll be tied to FAS. I'm not sure how much work that will be to hook up, though - so we'll start with just create a web-based account until that looks like it isn't going to work much longer. (Which should be pretty soon; my personal panic-meter on this is probably going to kick in around a dozen test users or so.) I think docs has already done a good amount of work for FAS integration, so definitely ask them about that :-) Hopefully this kind of thing won't need particularly fine grained permissions though - I don't know how much of that is supported by the FAS plugin that the docs team had. I'd definitely like to see the code for that somewhere though :-) Thanks, Ricky pgphmgf3XyX5m.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Temporary FI platform
On 2009-08-14 09:42:21 PM, Ricky Zhou wrote: I'd definitely like to see the code for that somewhere though :-) Oops, and just a few seconds later, I discover https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-zikula/ with its git repo at git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-zikula.git. And if that wasn't enough, it's already in the infrastructure repo, so you can just yum install zikula-module-fedora-fasauth when you set it up on a publictest machine. Thanks, Ricky pgpSBQs5CUNKK.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Temporary FI platform
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Mel Chuam...@redhat.com wrote: Sure, I'd be happy to help out with posting docs, testing things out, reporting back, etc. Thanks! Your questions are great - we don't have firm answers for them, but here's what I think they should be (as usual, whoever does the work gets the final say ;) so if you have good ideas, let's do them! Question: are you planning on setting up pre-defined tags, buckets, categories, etc. for the system? Yes. There will definitely be categories, and probably tags. There's a draft list up at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content_categories but this is by no means the final say. Or have these even been determined - or waiting to be determined based on how the workflow feels once it's set up? Mostly the latter. We need to talk with News (pcalarco) on what they'd like for workflow, but ultimately someone just has to Decide and Start Doing Stuff. Is that something you'd be interested in? Yes. Let me know when you get something up, I will get familiarized and then we can get something going for people to start throwing darts at :) As long as the front-end categories/tags/URLs stay the same, we can start with a draft workflow and then adjust as needed, depending on how it feels once it's set up. I'm happy to provide feedback there - if needed Oh, it's needed! How will access be defined? Will there be more of a web-based apply for access / permissions thing, or will it be tied to my fedoraproject id? And if it is the latter, is there a specific group I should apply to to get the ball rolling? Ideally, it'll be tied to FAS. I'm not sure how much work that will be to hook up, though - so we'll start with just create a web-based account until that looks like it isn't going to work much longer. (Which should be pretty soon; my personal panic-meter on this is probably going to kick in around a dozen test users or so.) Maybe not the answers you were looking for, but that's my best shot at it at the moment. :) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
