Re: Marketing logo/icon has been requested

2009-12-16 Thread María Leandro
Thank you nicu, I'm getting crazy with so many fonts in my pc :D

team work hoa!

2009/12/16 Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro

 On 12/15/2009 11:09 PM, Mel Chua wrote:


 Tatica made us a logo, which you can see on
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing - it's actually from a logo she
 created for the LATAM Marketing group (we have one of those? sweet!),
 http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Mercadeo last month.


 Tatica is doing a lot of awesome stuff on the LATAM community.


  Source at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png and
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.svg.


 I updated the ticket with a couple of small improvements (changed the font
 from URW Gothic to Mgopen Modata and used the actual wordmark for fedora),
 If you like the modification just update the wiki attachments.


  To use it, include this text at the top of a wiki page:

 {{header|marketing}}

 Enjoy - and thanks, Tatica! Less than two hours from idea to execution,
 if you look at the timestamps on the ticket. Woo!


 Agree, she is totally kicking.

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[in the news] Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users

2009-12-16 Thread Kara Schiltz

Computerworld
12.16.09

Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users
By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

[clip]

Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora Project Leader, described Fedora to me as 
being first and foremost for users interested in and capable of 
contributing to open source. So if you're a Linux power user, you're 
going to love Fedora. If you're not, this probably isn't the distro for 
you.


It's not that Fedora is hard to use. While it's not as beginner-friendly 
as Ubuntu, most Linux users shouldn't have any trouble working with 
Fedora even if they're not developers.


[clip]

For all of its many excellent features, Fedora isn't the best 
distribution for new or business users. But if you're a user like me who 
already lives his computing life on Linux, it's a great choice.


Full post:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142148/Review_3_top_Linux_distros_go_for_different_users?taxonomyId=18pageNumber=1 



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Re: Zikula Weekly Meeting

2009-12-16 Thread Karsten Wade
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:47:27PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote:
 
 If you'd like to help, don't know how to package, but want to learn, 
 there are a bunch of us in the same or close-to-the-same situation (me, 
 Karsten, Matthew Daniels, Aaron Clark, etc...) trying to get a Learn To 
 Package! week together - join us on the Classroom 
 (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/classroom, 
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom) mailing list if you're 
 interested, I'm going to start a thread there now.

We were discussing what to tackle, since doing actual classroom work
on a package we need makes even more sense, and I'm thinking we should
(try) to do a Zikula package; maybe an easier one?

Still, though, the week of 4 Jan is awful late for that, I should hope
we'd have them all in by then.

Can we get a few of y'all to list out to Fedora Planet, maybe
fedora-devel-list the specific needs we have?

I.e., not just HALp!1! but specific lists of what we know we need so
far.

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Re: [in the news] Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users

2009-12-16 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:03:41AM -0500, Kara Schiltz wrote:
 Computerworld
 12.16.09
 
 Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users
 By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols
 
 [clip]
 
 Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora Project Leader, described Fedora to
 me as being first and foremost for users interested in and capable
 of contributing to open source. So if you're a Linux power user,
 you're going to love Fedora. If you're not, this probably isn't the
 distro for you.

Hm, that's an interesting takeaway from my quote.  Aren't non-power
users capable of contributing to FOSS?  Aren't non-power users
interested in contributing too?  I'll endeavor to make that
distinction clearer in future interviews -- I usually do so but
apparently it wasn't clear in this one. :-)

 It's not that Fedora is hard to use. While it's not as
 beginner-friendly as Ubuntu, most Linux users shouldn't have any
 trouble working with Fedora even if they're not developers.

Well, that's nice to hear in any case!  Does it partially contradict
the assertions above though?

 [clip]
 
 For all of its many excellent features, Fedora isn't the best
 distribution for new or business users. But if you're a user like me
 who already lives his computing life on Linux, it's a great choice.
 
 Full post:
 http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142148/Review_3_top_Linux_distros_go_for_different_users?taxonomyId=18pageNumber=1

There are a couple of puzzlers in this article, such as the
implication that being able to find lesser-known utilities makes a
distribution more suitable for the masses.  I would argue that the
masses don't care about such things.  What's most important is a
working set of well-integrated functionality that behaves consistently
and predictably.  The ability to fine tune that later is certainly
great, but the average user isn't interested in spending time finding
and learning new, off-the-beaten-path utilities.

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Re: [in the news] Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users

2009-12-16 Thread Nicu Buculei

On 12/16/2009 05:49 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:

Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users
By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

[clip]

Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora Project Leader, described Fedora to
me as being first and foremost for users interested in and capable
of contributing to open source. So if you're a Linux power user,
you're going to love Fedora. If you're not, this probably isn't the
distro for you.



It's not that Fedora is hard to use. While it's not as
beginner-friendly as Ubuntu, most Linux users shouldn't have any
trouble working with Fedora even if they're not developers.


Well, that's nice to hear in any case!  Does it partially contradict
the assertions above though?


No, I think his idea is something like: if you are a Linux user, you 
will find Fedora familiar, if you are a Linux *power* user, you will 
*love* it.



There are a couple of puzzlers in this article, such as the
implication that being able to find lesser-known utilities makes a
distribution more suitable for the masses.  I would argue that the
masses don't care about such things.  What's most important is a
working set of well-integrated functionality that behaves consistently
and predictably.  The ability to fine tune that later is certainly
great, but the average user isn't interested in spending time finding
and learning new, off-the-beaten-path utilities.


Trying to decipher, I think the meaning here is: an user who know little 
stuff and want to learn as little as possible, will do a Google search, 
end on some forum, copy/paste a few commands he does not understand and 
bang! everything is working.

I am not sure we want to paint such image about ourselves.

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Re: [in the news] Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users

2009-12-16 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 09:03 -0500, Kara Schiltz wrote:
 Computerworld
 12.16.09
 
 Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users
 By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols
 
 [clip]
 
 Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora Project Leader, described Fedora to me as 
 being first and foremost for users interested in and capable of 
 contributing to open source. So if you're a Linux power user, you're 
 going to love Fedora. If you're not, this probably isn't the distro for 
 you.

Whoah that's a leap in logic.

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FUDCon survey draft - last call for feedback

2009-12-16 Thread Mel Chua
Robyn put in the survey questions last night (THANK YOU ROBYN!) and I 
made a couple edits just now and attached the printable version so you 
can see the questions we're asking so far (the same file is also 
temporarily up at http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/fudcon-survey-draft.html).


Thoughts? Here's what I did just now...

* Added a have you been to a FUDCon before? question
* Added Tuesday/after-Tuesday as leave-date options since most people 
left on Tuesday morning.

* Added Other suggestions? option for FUDCon Live

Other things I can think of...

* do we want to add a text box so people can post the URLs of any blog 
posts/etc they may have written about FUDCon?
* should we plug the Events FAD 
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010) and/or the 
fudcon-planning list 
(https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fudcon-planning) at 
the end?
* I'd like to put some sort of link to the Marketing Research page so 
folks can see how we put this survey together and that they can help us 
with it (can haz limesurvey library packagers plz), but that page needs 
a *lot* of cleanup first.


Robyn's on the road right now but we'll be in #fedora-mktg finishing 
this up and launching it out, probably in something like 1.5 hours (1900 
UTC, which is ~2pm EST for me).


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Re: FUDCon survey draft - last call for feedback

2009-12-16 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:37:13PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote:
 Robyn put in the survey questions last night (THANK YOU ROBYN!) and
 I made a couple edits just now and attached the printable version so
 you can see the questions we're asking so far (the same file is also
 temporarily up at
 http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/fudcon-survey-draft.html).
 
 Thoughts? Here's what I did just now...
 
 * Added a have you been to a FUDCon before? question
 * Added Tuesday/after-Tuesday as leave-date options since most
 people left on Tuesday morning.
 * Added Other suggestions? option for FUDCon Live

In question 26, I think microblogs + Facebook + LinkedIn could be
effectively combined as Status updates via Twitter, Identi.ca,
Facebook, LinkedIn, etc..  I think a lot of people probably use
status-spraying tools that update all of them at once.  (That's the
if Paul has figured that out, probably lots of other people have too
theory.)

 Other things I can think of...
 
 * do we want to add a text box so people can post the URLs of any
 blog posts/etc they may have written about FUDCon?
 * should we plug the Events FAD
 (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010) and/or the
 fudcon-planning list
 (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fudcon-planning)
 at the end?

Yes.

 * I'd like to put some sort of link to the Marketing Research page
 so folks can see how we put this survey together and that they can
 help us with it (can haz limesurvey library packagers plz), but that
 page needs a *lot* of cleanup first.
 
 Robyn's on the road right now but we'll be in #fedora-mktg finishing
 this up and launching it out, probably in something like 1.5 hours
 (1900 UTC, which is ~2pm EST for me).

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Re: FUDCon survey draft - last call for feedback

2009-12-16 Thread Mel Chua

In question 26, I think microblogs + Facebook + LinkedIn could be
effectively combined as Status updates via Twitter, Identi.ca,
Facebook, LinkedIn, etc..  I think a lot of people probably use
status-spraying tools that update all of them at once.  (That's the
if Paul has figured that out, probably lots of other people have too
theory.)


Done, thanks!


* do we want to add a text box so people can post the URLs of any
blog posts/etc they may have written about FUDCon?
* should we plug the Events FAD
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010) and/or the
fudcon-planning list
(https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fudcon-planning)
at the end?


Yes.


Done, except the blog posts are an edit this wiki page! thing now 
since we're already gathering it elsewhere.


Launching in a moment...

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FUDCon survey: how it was/will be publicized

2009-12-16 Thread Mel Chua

For future reference, here's what I did/am about to do.

* Made a big red take this survey! box on 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009 and 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009_BarCamp_Schedule so 
people looking for FUDCon Toronto information will find it (this will 
have to be updated when the survey closes, btw)


* Added it to the 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research#FUDcon_survey section 
so we can keep track of it


* emailed the take this survey please! announcement to 
fedora-devel-announce, fedora-announce-list, fedora-advisory-board, and 
fudcon-planning (being sent immediately after this email)


* blogged it to Planet (coming momentarily)

Time will tell if this was enough. In the meantime, please take the 
survey and blog it up and such. :)


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Re: FUDCon survey: how it was/will be publicized

2009-12-16 Thread Mel Chua

* blogged it to Planet (coming momentarily)


So, I made a version with a quickie shiny picture, to test Mo's 
suggestion of if you want something to get responses, put visuals in it.


http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/16/fudcon-toronto-its-survey-time/

Clearly my adcopy writing skills need work, but it's a start. I'm 
looking forward to our infrastructure projects being done, because 
marketing research surveys are probably the sorts of thing we'd like to 
put out please take me! articles for on Fedora Insight.


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Re: FUDCon survey: how it was/will be publicized

2009-12-16 Thread Robyn Bergeron
Re: the picture If you don't recognize the room, but wish you did,
or if you heard in a live session that the room was really big but you
haven't seen a photo until now... Please take the survey!

I'll blog tonight about the writing of the survey :)

-robyn

On 12/16/09, Mel Chua m...@redhat.com wrote:
 * blogged it to Planet (coming momentarily)

 So, I made a version with a quickie shiny picture, to test Mo's
 suggestion of if you want something to get responses, put visuals in it.

 http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/16/fudcon-toronto-its-survey-time/

 Clearly my adcopy writing skills need work, but it's a start. I'm
 looking forward to our infrastructure projects being done, because
 marketing research surveys are probably the sorts of thing we'd like to
 put out please take me! articles for on Fedora Insight.

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Re: Zikula Weekly Meeting

2009-12-16 Thread Mel Chua

Can we get a few of y'all to list out to Fedora Planet, maybe
fedora-devel-list the specific needs we have?

I.e., not just HALp!1! but specific lists of what we know we need so
far.


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Packaging is what I know 
about, which mostly links to 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status.


At our first meeting we should go through and make sure that list is up 
to date, and then go HALP!


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Re: Marketing logo/icon has been requested

2009-12-16 Thread Mel Chua

I updated the ticket with a couple of small improvements (changed the
font from URW Gothic to Mgopen Modata and used the actual wordmark for
fedora), If you like the modification just update the wiki attachments.


Updated, thanks!

Ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/110#comment:4

See the difference in the logos:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.svg

Revised logo in action: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing

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