Re: Upgrade from 32-bit to 64-bit Fedora Linux without a system reinstall

[Eric Christensen]

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Wouldn't that require many packages to be reinstalled if they have a
64-bit package?  That could vary wildly from the "default" packages to
all of them.  I guess it could be possible for yum to know what packages
have 64-bit versions and be able to swap them out.  It could be
automated.  I'm not sure how often it would be used, though.  I went
from F7 64-bit to F8 32-bit last time around just because I had so many
problems getting the non-open source software to function properly.

Eric



Rahul Sundaram wrote:
| Hi
|
| Not sure if this is worth the effort. Maybe we should look at making the
| transition more easier.
|
| http://www.linux.com/feature/123800
|
| "Updating from Fedora 7 i386 to Fedora 8 x86_64 isn't supported, and
| many folks will tell you to just reinstall in order to move to a 64-bit
| Linux. However, I managed to resolve the main problems when doing a yum
| update in a single day. Your mileage will vary depending on what
| third-party repositories you're using, how much software you've
| installed by hand, and how dependent your software is on the system
| libraries."
|
| Rahul
|
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Re: Fedora 9

[Eric Christensen]

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Is there a sneak preview of the voting results?

Eric



Juan Rodriguez wrote:
| Personally, I voted for Chupacabra, but would have chosen Dragicorn if
| given the chance to select 2.
|
| Other than that, I agree entirely with the name selection.
| --
| Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno
| Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos
| Sitio: www.isocron.net  [En Construcción]
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F11 Release Announcement

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I have started a wiki page[1] for the F11 Release Announcement.  The
Docs Project has started putting together some ideas but I'd like to
open up the opportunity for writing the announcement to the marketing
team as well.  If you are interested in helping out, please surf on
over to the wiki and put your ideas down.  I'd like to have this done
by Wednesday, May 20th.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11


Thanks,
Eric

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Re: F11 Release Announcement

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No one has touched the wiki page and we need to get this done.  I had
writers block over the weekend so no real output from my fingers.  I'd
like to have something to go over in tomorrow's Docs meeting.

If anyone would like to try their hand at it...

Eric


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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 16:49, Jack Aboutboul  wrote:
> Any updates on this?
>
> Jack
>
> Eric Christensen wrote:
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>> I have started a wiki page[1] for the F11 Release Announcement.  The
>> Docs Project has started putting together some ideas but I'd like to
>> open up the opportunity for writing the announcement to the marketing
>> team as well.  If you are interested in helping out, please surf on
>> over to the wiki and put your ideas down.  I'd like to have this done
>> by Wednesday, May 20th.
>>
>> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eric
>>
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Re: Fedora 11: Firewall - Using the Wizard

[Eric Christensen]

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 04:04, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)
 wrote:
> http://easylinuxcds.com/blog/?p=3428
>
> "Firewalls need to be simple and firewalls need to be complex….yes, this is
> a dilemma of huge consequence.  However, Fedora has accomplished both in one
> firewall."
>
>
> Frank

Frank,
Just out of curiosity, isn't it still IPTables with a fancy frontend?

Eric

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Re: Fedora 11: Firewall - Using the Wizard

[Eric Christensen]

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 03:56, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)
 wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>>> Frank,
>>> Just out of curiosity, isn't it still IPTables with a fancy frontend?
>>
>> Yes but iptables on the command line is completely out of reach for
>> desktop users.  iptables and usability have nothing in common.
>>
>> Rahul
>>
>
> and Usability is a feature.
>
> Frank

Absolutely.  The way it reads, it would appear that Fedora has created
a new firewall when in fact we have just made the existing firewall
more user friendly and easier to maintain.  It's an important
distinction.

If people think we are doing something different on the back-end then
they want to know what it is and if it's secure and tested.  I think
Fedora gets more points for providing better functionality to an
existing product.

Eric

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Fedora 11 Release Announcement FINAL

[Eric Christensen]

Thanks to Jack and Paul for stepping up and really getting the release
announcement[1] built.  We, at Docs, have reviewed the final draft and
think we are in consensus that it is complete.  Please look over it
and see if anything jumps out at you.  If not, this is what we'd like
to go with.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11


Thanks,
Eric
Docs Lead

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Re: Fedora 11 Release Announcement FINAL

[Eric Christensen]

On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 10:07 +0200, Max Spevack wrote:
> I like it.  It makes me smile, and not much does.
> 
> Minor suggestions:
> 
> (1) Change Dr. Brattlesworth to some sort of pun on a Fedora name? 
> Unless Brattlesworth has some other meaning that I simply don't get.

Anyone have any suggestions?

> (2) I read "snares, toils, and dangers" as "snares, trolls, and dangers" 
> at first, which might be funnier!

I didn't make this change only because "trolls" doesn't seem to fit BUT
I'm not against making the change because I think it would be funnier.
Opinions?

> (3) "that marvelous creature -- Leonidas" -- perhaps "the Leonidas"?

Changed.
> 
> (4) If (3), then s/Leonidas/the Leonidas/ everywhere appropriate

Done
> 
> (5) I believe people adjourn to the "parlour" for cigars and brandy, not 
> the "sitting room".  :)

Yeah...  done.
> 
> Good stuff.
> 
> --Max
> 

I've also made changes based on Murray's email.

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Release Announcement Ready for Translation

[Eric Christensen]

Just wanted to drop you a note to say that the Release Announcement for
Fedora 11[1] is completed and if you guys wanted to try to translate it
for your local area... go for it.  Paul stresses that you should adapt
it as necessary for your area.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11


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Re: Docs FAD at the Southeast Linuxfest

[Eric Christensen]

On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 21:52 -0400, David Nalley wrote:
> Just a quick note on the Docs FAD on June 14th that will follow the
> Southeast Linuxfest in Clemson SC.

I just updated the wiki page[1] to include the communication specifics
during f...@self.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_SELF_2009

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Tomorrow's FAD Start Time

[Eric Christensen]

Any complaints to starting tomorrow's FAD at 9A (EDT) versus 10A?

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The "One" Page Release Notes

[Eric Christensen]

The Docs Team, at the FAD @ SELF, had an idea to create a one-page
Release Notes for users that aren't as technical as some of our other
users.  This Release Notes would be something pretty, graphical, and
would only contain high-level changes.  I guess what we are looking for
is something that is a "composite of the tour and release overview" to
quote Paul (stickster).

It might be an even better idea to have a team comprised of some
Marketing members and some Docs members to form a Release Notes Team to
create both the larger Release Notes as well as the one-page version.
More people means less work for a few but also means continuity through
various releases.

Thoughts?


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Re: The "One" Page Release Notes

[Eric Christensen]

On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 02:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 07/14/2009 02:55 AM, Eric Christensen wrote:
> > The Docs Team, at the FAD @ SELF, had an idea to create a one-page
> > Release Notes for users that aren't as technical as some of our other
> > users.  This Release Notes would be something pretty, graphical, and
> > would only contain high-level changes.  I guess what we are looking for
> > is something that is a "composite of the tour and release overview" to
> > quote Paul (stickster).
> 
> How is that different from the release summary we used to do before? How
> do we differentiate this from the more technical detailed release notes?
> 
> Rahul
> 

Think desktop publishing... think pretty pictures... think "more than
just links to other pages".  I guess that would be the differences I
think of when I look at the release summary.  It isn't very exciting
looking.

Well, the more technical detailed release notes are very blah and are
many pages long.  It's more like a book.  What we want is more like a
newspaper front page.  

Eric



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Re: The "One" Page Release Notes

[Eric Christensen]

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 03:40, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:59:02AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>> On 07/14/2009 02:55 AM, Eric Christensen wrote:
>>> > The Docs Team, at the FAD @ SELF, had an idea to create a one-page
>>> > Release Notes for users that aren't as technical as some of our other
>>> > users.  This Release Notes would be something pretty, graphical, and
>>> > would only contain high-level changes.  I guess what we are looking for
>>> > is something that is a "composite of the tour and release overview" to
>>> > quote Paul (stickster).
>>>
>>> How is that different from the release summary we used to do before? How
>>> do we differentiate this from the more technical detailed release notes?
>>
>
> I'm with Rahul here, this is almost exactly the idea of what we used
> to aim for with the Release Overview/Summary. There used to be lots of
> discussions about how best to create the Release Overview from the
> Release Notes without lots of duplication of effort across teams, and
> that's why the page Rahul linked looks like a repeated version of the
> Release Notes, because at that time we were experimenting with writing
> the two on a single page and then dividing the content out for
> different audiences.
>
> That didn't work particularly well, and certainly restarting the
> Release Overview/Summary with a clearer mission and method is a
> worthwhile goal, one I'd like to help with, though it wouldn't hurt to
> show a bit more knowledge and recognition of the work people did
> before... something that often seems to be lacking a bit in Fedora
> land! I've been guilty of this in the past, but I can now appreciate
> how trying it is to people who've worked on stuff.
>
> Jon

Jon,
I don't think we were trying to say that someone wasn't doing their
job in creating this documentation.  We are simply saying that there
may be a better way of doing these projects.  I know that I've been
asked where people can find a document much like I've explained here.

The Docs Project is constantly looking how we can produce the Release
Notes better and that we are getting the information out to our users
in a better way.  This idea is just one of those thoughts.

I know I appreciate everything that everyone does for the Fedora Project.

Eric

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