Re: EMEA Ambassadors talking about TV ads

2010-01-07 Thread Neville A. Cross
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:

snip


 Nonprofits are generally challenged in arranging mass media
 advertising; the usual approach is to find an ad agency which will
 work pro bono, and broadcasters willing to donate air time /
 publishers willing to donate print ad space.

 FWIW I talked about these issues here:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-March/000681.html

 Sean


I came across some ideas for promoting Amateur Radio events on an ARRL
magazine. What the suggested is that the organization at large produce some
shorts videos about what they do, in the most generic way. They already have
some material.[0] They leave some spaces where you can add up your specific
information like dates of events and contact data of the nearest group. Then
you can go to a local TV station and ask as a non-profit if the have some
time avaliable. Usually they fill they lack of pay advertisements promoting
their schedule (upcoming programs). They recommend that the material has to
be exactly timed ... if you say 20 seconds should be that and not roughly 20
seconds.

So the basic idea is to have ready material professional made, make room for
localization and then locally negotiated with TV stations. This needs people
skills to find a friend on the TV station to endorse this non-profit
announce. It only will work if this more an announcement for a specific
event that will justify the non-profit cause. If it looks like advertisement
they will be trying to charge for it. This looks like a joint venture for
marketing producing and ambassadors distributing.

Sound fun to recycle ideas and adapt them to work for us.

[0] http://www.hello-radio.org/

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Re: EMEA Ambassadors talking about TV ads

2010-01-07 Thread Neville A. Cross
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:38 AM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote:

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  On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  snip
 
 
  Nonprofits are generally challenged in arranging mass media
  advertising; the usual approach is to find an ad agency which will
  work pro bono, and broadcasters willing to donate air time /
  publishers willing to donate print ad space.
 
  FWIW I talked about these issues here:
  http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-March/000681.html
 
  Sean
 
  I came across some ideas for promoting Amateur Radio events on an ARRL
  magazine. What the suggested is that the organization at large produce
 some
  shorts videos about what they do, in the most generic way. They already
 have
  some material.[0] They leave some spaces where you can add up your
 specific
  information like dates of events and contact data of the nearest group.
 Then
  you can go to a local TV station and ask as a non-profit if the have some
  time avaliable. Usually they fill they lack of pay advertisements
 promoting
  their schedule (upcoming programs). They recommend that the material has
 to
  be exactly timed ... if you say 20 seconds should be that and not roughly
 20
  seconds.
 
  So the basic idea is to have ready material professional made, make room
 for
  localization and then locally negotiated with TV stations. This needs
 people
  skills to find a friend on the TV station to endorse this non-profit
  announce. It only will work if this more an announcement for a specific
  event that will justify the non-profit cause. If it looks like
 advertisement
  they will be trying to charge for it. This looks like a joint venture for
  marketing producing and ambassadors distributing.
 
  Sound fun to recycle ideas and adapt them to work for us.
 
  [0] http://www.hello-radio.org/
 
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  Linux User # 473217
 
 
 

 We run into the problem that Fedora is not a non-profit - as a matter
 of fact, it doesn't really exist. The situation in EMEA is a bit
 different, with the existence of Fedora EMEA e.V. but still.
 BTW, I think it'd be awesome to promote FEL in QST.


That's why I suggested people skills to get some one inside to endorse. Some
places may not work but in other places it may. I think I can pull it out in
my country if I got the material.

To promote FEL in QST magazine ( official magazine for http://arrl.org ) it
is just to sell the idea to the editorial board. Can be big like trying to
squeeze a full page article. Can be small like trying to get a mention on a
section. It think it can be easy to get attention from the section eclectic
technology to mention this spin. Maybe sending a disk to this columnist, he
happens to recommend linux stuff time to time.

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Re: EMEA Ambassadors talking about TV ads

2010-01-07 Thread Neville A. Cross
2010/1/7 María Leandro tat...@fedoraproject.org

 Hello!

 In venezuela we already have a (really small) participation in Radio and
 TV. Past Flisol2009 give us the opportunity to be on tv (for about a minute)
 and also a couple of radio interviews about free software and fedora (I made
 one and Wilmer K0k Jaramillo give another).

 I have the resources to this files (Spanish links) but I think is viable
 for us to even make a tv show (maybe a 5 minutes clip weekly) in a Caracas
 tv station and in a Radio who transmit in all Venezuela middle towns.

 Now that I read that there is a true interest in this I will start working
 and see what can came out :)

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OyHQarkVVU

 http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/varios/flisol2009-2.mp3



I think that's great. We should look for opportunities to do radio/tv
interviews. I have been involved on some interviews for Software Freedom Day
(before and during the event). When an event is upcoming, it is possible to
get one minute in radio or tv to talk about it because it is news. It is
part of what is happening. I have to point that interviews are not
advertisement, we are probably going to another topic... this more news
distribution. I probably have helped to get out of focus in this topic. But
I have to admit that the approach to get it on air is similar, what changes
is the format (Live interview vs. pre recorded material)

Just to prove that it possible ... and brag a bit !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u18l6ZEwt7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRmxo09nUOQ

Mental note... always wear fedora t-shirt or polo !

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Re: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations

2010-01-04 Thread Neville A. Cross
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Mel Chua m...@redhat.com wrote:
 (I'm pulling out one section of the thread for a moment, but hope discussion
 continues on the other ideas brought up as well.)

 I'd love to get a marketing class working on this - actually, I
 would love to see a case study (see
 http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/casemethod.html) on Fedora.

 What would be really interesting is feeding back the process for
 meeting this goal into a discovery of what worked to captivate and
 motivate college students to follow through with a contribution.
 Maybe that's what you mean by the case method?  It's hard to tell from
 the page in question, it's a bit vague but I'm guessing you have some
 experience with or knowledge about the method yourself.

 What I think you're talking about is a case study - documenting what we do
 as a way to make it easier for others to follow. I think we should be a case
 study of how open source projects can interact with the case method of
 teaching, which is a particular thing.

 The case method is a particular way of teaching that I believe is mostly
 associated with MBA programs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_method. Most
 of the cases I've seen come from Harvard, which has an extensive collection
 of them (http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/howthecasemethodworks.html,
 http://www.hbs.edu/learning/case.html - for an example, see
 http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5466.html for an explanation and
 http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5466.html for the abstract to an actual case.)

 Think of a case as... an .rpm for curricular content for MBAs. It's a format
 and delivery mechanism schools are used to. (Someone who actually has an MBA
 may want to step in and correct me at this point.)

 There's one on Red Hat, though it's 10 years old by now:
 http://cb.hbsp.harvard.edu/cb/web/product_detail.seam?R=69-PDF-ENGconversationId=630649E=35930

 There's also one called Linux in 2004:
 http://cb.hbsp.harvard.edu/cb/web/product_detail.seam?R=705407-PDF-ENGconversationId=630649E=45690

 Here's the interesting opportunity: these cases are written about companies
 - there are no cases (yet!) about communities doing many of the same things
 The Open Source Way.


I have been teaching in business and had to take a seminar on case
study writing. Case studies are usually wrote to demonstrate and
exercise some concepts that were discuses on class. That's why case
studies are usually business focused.

A new trend have emerge where companies think that if some one wrote
about them can be a way of marketing. This has led to some documents
that are half case-study half white-papers. White papers in the sense
of a success story.

There are new needs for academics papers as there are a lot of new
programs for NGO management were classical business case study does
not fit. For instance, MBAs does not deal on how to recruit and
motivate volunteers, which can be very important for NGO and for us.

A good case-study, white-paper or mixture, should be a nice to read
composition. It that sense, this case studies can have broader use.


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Re: Marketing goals, revisited: the 4 Foundations

2010-01-04 Thread Neville A. Cross
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Frankie Mangoa frankieman...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am agreeing more with Robin's idea.
 I now a few people at my university that wold love to work on fedora
 project..marketing...codingdocumantation and spreading the
 word..even though it is at a minimal fee...the most important thing
 though is not the fee...remember NOT the fee...they are looking for
 something to show on their C.V that they once did something for you.
 If you access this.you are good to go.


 I am a computer science student at university and trust me when I say
 we do have some god skill in that campus that could be used.
 There is only one weak point.How do u get to know on what criteria
 these people are chosen.If we can set a standard and make sure this
 standard is followed then we have succeeded.if not then we shall be in
 a big problem.



There is already something on progress:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Campus_Ambassadors

Going back to papers (case studies/white papers) ... We can look what
we have achieve a case study on strength and weakness for our
community would be of interest for any organisation or people dealing
with that. Technology assessment can be another topic. Then we can
plan ahead for future topics that we are working now, so we document
it as we go... non-commercial marketing may be a good topic.


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Re: Self-Introduction: Neville Cross

2010-01-01 Thread Neville A. Cross
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Mel Chua m...@redhat.com wrote:
 On 12/30/2009 05:35 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote:

 *  Full legal name
 Neville Alberto Cross Vogl, but as stated on subject will suffice.

 Welcome, Neville! It's great to see you in Marketing - I've been admiring
 your work in Ambassadors for quite some time. I just sponsored you for the
 FAS group.


I feel under the spot light, I hope I can keep up. Thanks for sponsoring me.

 * What do you want to talk about?
 - Applications: There is a lot of software in Fedora repos that is
 useful and is not promoted. Non technical people does not see the
 beauty on the OS, they look for a tool to solve a task. I want to say
 to every one that Fedora has those tools.

 -more ordinary people tales using Fedora. Show that you don't need to
 know every byte of Fedora to be able to use and contribute.

 Ooh - you might be interested in a project Sakis Asamaras is heading up,
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_stories.


I have come across this, but forgot. I will contact Sakis, and try to
add a couple of articles to this initiative.

 * Anything else you'd like to do?
 - Share my experience dealing with local newspapers, so we can
 increase world wide media hits.
 - Help improve fedora distribution program.

 Kara mentioned she was looking for thoughts on international PR strategy -
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_news_distribution_network_(NDN) might
 be a good thing to look at as well.


Yes, this may be a good challenge. Another thing to write some
ideas/experiences.

 Are there any Marketing projects you've seen that you'd like to get involved
 with, or any projects you're already doing that you'd like to add
 Marketing-fu to? It sounds like you might be able to teach us quite a bit
 about Marketing as well. ;)

 --Mel


I don't have any specific project on mind. I will collaborate with
your suggestions as starting point. I will love to have some
mentor-ship to guide me on where I can put my efforts at work.

Thanks for your warm welcome.



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Self-Introduction: Neville Cross

2009-12-30 Thread Neville A. Cross
*  Full legal name
Neville Alberto Cross Vogl, but as stated on subject will suffice.

* City, Country
Managua, Nicaragua

* Profession or Student status
Business Degree (from Nicaragua) plus MSc. in Organisational Change
and Development (from UK)

* Company, School, or other affiliation
Hotel Mansion Teodolinda (day work/family business) http://teodolinda.com.ni
Central American University (part time lecturer on business and
tourism) http://uca.edu.ni

* Your goals in the Fedora Project
- Have fun! I have some boring thing to do as day job. An atmosphere
filled with opportunities and challenges stimulates my brain.
- Learn. Since I started using GNU/Linux and free software I learned a
lot every single day. I need new things to keep up the learning
process.
- Give back. I have been given a lot in this community and I think is
fair to return.
- Find my niche. As I am not a technical person I still struggle a bit
to fin my place within the community. I am already helping in
Ambassadors and Freemedia.
- Build a strong community in Central American countries (Guatemala,
Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama). Perhaps run
a mini FUDCon or FAD

* What do you want to talk about?
- Applications: There is a lot of software in Fedora repos that is
useful and is not promoted. Non technical people does not see the
beauty on the OS, they look for a tool to solve a task. I want to say
to every one that Fedora has those tools.

* What would you like to see in Fedora?
- more stuff with fedora logo, like coffee mugs, disk-wallets ...
probably I am dreaming but I think that using our logo shows our pride
and convince people to use fedora, or at least give it a try.
-more ordinary people tales using Fedora. Show that you don't need to
know every byte of Fedora to be able to use and contribute.

* Anything else you'd like to do?
- Share my experience dealing with local newspapers, so we can
increase world wide media hits.
- Help improve fedora distribution program.

* Historical qualifications
I have ran the family business for some years (2001-2005), among other
task I have to decide about marketing, advertisement, promotions and
sales. Now I have give sapce to my sister to lead, but still involved
in marketing efforts.

* What other projects or marketing efforts have you worked on in
the past? (List what you think is relevant)
- When the University launched the Tourism degree, I was hired as
consultant. Among a lot of designing teaching programs I had to
represent the faculty and tour high schools promoting this class
program.
- I have been working with local user groups, we have earned the
distinction of best Software Freedom Day event world wide two years in
a row. We were expecting get the third but event competition was
delayed and not awarded.
- I have been running a promotional web site listing night events for
my city: http://clickmanagua.com
- I maintain the local fedora page (yes, another fedora page!)
http://fedora.org.ni

* What level and type of marketing skills do you have?
- I can write (I do it better in Spanish!), I can teach, I like to
think in roles and try to be on some one else's shoes to see if the
concepts proposed are compelling. I can structure objectives, goals
and monitor performance. I have been working conceptualizing web sites
and worked as consultant for a system usability assessment.

* What other skills do you have that might be applicable?
- I have a amateur radio licence, I am following fedora amateur radio SIG.

As I am a Fedora Ambassador, I already created my FAS account and
signed the CLA agreement.

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Re: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12

2009-11-30 Thread Neville A. Cross
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Mel Chua m...@redhat.com wrote:
 Oh wow, I'm really glad I did this then - I think casual videos like
 this can be a really cool way for each of us to show off what we know,
 because I think everybody approaches Fedora a bit differently and
 discovers different things so we can learn a lot from each other.
 Sweet! :)

 MEME TIME!
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting (I use Istanbul)

 Here is the raw English transcript to translate:

 http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/blog/video/5funthingsf12/5funthingsinf12-transcript.txt

 So, ah...

 0. It was great to see the one-page release notes get localized, and I've
 heard some requests to try to get the Marketing stuff more i18n'd
 1. I'm trying to learn Spanish (and Chinese, for that matter, though it's
 harder for me to translate things into Chinese).
 2. I figure this is as good a way as any to learn how to work with our
 translation workflow.

 So, with a lot of help from Google Translate, I took 15 minutes and have...
 http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/translations/es/5funthingsinf12-transcript-es.txt

 What should I do next? (Other than get someone to proofread/fix my Spanish.)

 Thanks for the transcript, Mo - as someone who needs them, I really
 appreciate subtitles/captions/transcripts. I reckon I should look into
 getting http://www.jubler.org/ and
 http://trans.sourceforge.net/en/presentation.php packaged sometime and going
 on a feedback/bug-reporting spree for both + similar projects.

 --Mel

When I started as Ambassador, I was told to subscribe to this list. I
have not join the marketing team yet, I intend to do so in January.
But I have some time tonight, and I can use to correct the Spanish
google translation. There are useful for another people understand
what you are saying, but there are not good enough for  distribution.
If no one volunteer before, I can undertake this in about 5 hours.

By the way, nice work!

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Re: in the news Fedora 12 on printed newpapers at Nicaragua

2009-11-24 Thread Neville A. Cross
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Mel Chua m...@redhat.com wrote:
 On 11/22/2009 05:27 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote:

 Hello, I am submitting this mail to fedora marketing list with the
 subject as adviced by Athanasios.

 Thanks, Neville - and also to Sakis (Athanasios) for suggesting the forward!

 As a side note, how can we better keep track of international press like
 this? I think we need to figure out how to get a better Marketing --
 Ambassadors link going for F13. ;)

 --Mel


We, as ambassador, should be watching out for those news and report
back to the press archive. But, as I did, we also should look to feed
the columnists with material to write about us. The translation of one
page release note was a big help.

I will like to join the fedora marketing team in the near future,
probably at the beginning of January.

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Fedora 12 hits the printed newpapers at Nicaragua

2009-11-22 Thread Neville A. Cross
Hello,

I want to share that I wrote a few days ago to a technology columnist
from El Nuevo Diario. In the mail I included the link to
http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Conoce_Fedora_12
This page is an effort to translate for latam the one page release
note for Fedora 12. This effort was lead by Tatica, and I was honored
to  collaborate.

Today, I was looking at the sunday newspaper, and I saw that my mail
have a good response: (spanish)
http://impreso.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2009/11/22/informatica/114077

I am looking to include this hit in the press archive. As Nicaraguan
Launch party is due to December 3rd, I am hoping to have more press
hits.

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in the news Fedora 12 on printed newpapers at Nicaragua

2009-11-22 Thread Neville A. Cross
Hello, I am submitting this mail to fedora marketing list with the
subject as adviced by Athanasios.

I want to share that I wrote a few days ago to a technology columnist
from El Nuevo Diario. In the mail I included the link to
http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Conoce_Fedora_12
This page is an effort to translate for latam the one page release
note for Fedora 12. This effort was lead by Tatica, and I was glad to
collaborate.

Today, I was looking at the sunday newspaper, and I saw that my mail
have a good response: (spanish)
http://impreso.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2009/11/22/informatica/114077

I have already wrote an entry at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_press_archive

As Nicaraguan Launch party is due to December 3rd, I am hoping to have
more press
hits.

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Re: Now follow twitter feed for Planet Fedora.

2009-11-02 Thread Neville A. Cross
2009/11/1 María Leandro tat...@fedoraproject.org:
 /me following


/me too


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Re: Despirate need for copies

2009-04-03 Thread Neville A. Cross
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Hlompho Mota hyp...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have an increasing demand in people that want to get on Fedora on my side
 of the planet. But Due 2 slow internet on this side, We cant exactlly
 download copies. if anyone can help, I am in need of a copy of CD's and
 DVD's as soon as possible.


I think it will be more easy to give you advice on how to get those
copies, if you make more evident where is your side of the planet.

If you are near by my side of the planet (Nicaragua), I will sure send
you come copies.

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Re: Cool install Icons?

2008-12-11 Thread Neville A. Cross
2008/12/11 John Mackay mack...@gmail.com:
 Correct, sorry there. Whoever there will not be a serious speed decrease hit
 on the installer, by example: choosing a preferred lecture among others, to
 read while the process completes.
 2008/12/11 Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro

 John Mackay wrote:

 Applying that logic, then we should revert back to graphed character
 console text installs, it´s way uglier than anaconda and makes less use of
 the system resources.

 He said faster, no less resources. And a text install is still a
 viable option when you installing on a computer with RAM below the
 requirements for a GUI install.



Thanks Nicu for steping in.

I think that now my point has been made. The idea is not to over do
the niceties and slowing the install process.

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Re: Cool install Icons?

2008-12-11 Thread Neville A. Cross
2008/12/11 Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) lu...@cefetce.br:
 Whats the problem of using static images only ?
 a very good illustration pays for a hole pointless movie :)


I really don't know what the problem is.
I will LOVE not_too_serious images.
I may not agree in an activity center that may delay install.

and I aware that this is not reach vote... I understand that is a kind
of brainstorming process by now.



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Re: Cool install Icons?

2008-12-10 Thread Neville A. Cross
2008/12/10 John Mackay [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Say you had the Activity Center, reading documentation / playing tetris
 should fit in a normal install lifespan, within 10 minutes, you wouldn't be
 doing all of the activities, but rather choosing the more appealing to your
 personal taste ;). I know it starts to sound like work, this are no splash
 screens.(and it's not going to optimize the ext3 performance or making the
 kernel faster) it'll just add value to the install sequence, and give people
 options, while anaconda installs everything.


If I have a nice install and an ugly faster install... I will pick faster.
I liked the idea of cool install icons.
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Re: Connection Sharing in NetworkManager

2008-10-21 Thread Neville A. Cross
2008/10/21 Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 You don't include any details about what problems you had, so it's hard
 to know how to respond.  Perhaps you could do the following?

I hoped for a manual that I can read. I make ay with network manager,
without one, but I feel better having something what does each option
and not guessing by trial and error.


 (1)  Make sure the problem can be duplicated

I am using a live CD, I haven't installed anything into my computer yet.
I first tryed with my desktop setting up sharing. I was unsure if it
was meant for wifi/eth and eth/eth requiered one more step.
Then I tried on my laptop, there I had a clear step to create a new
network. It tried to connect but remained unconnected... I guessed
that maybe it was not obvious, I used another wifi to explore and see
if it was ready, but nothing.

My laptop is Toshiba A65 with a wifi Atheros card. I was able to
connect to the wifi network from my office with it using the livecd,
as I wanted to be sure that it was working properly before asking.

 (2)* (preferred)  File a bug in Bugzilla that states the problem

I am unsure to file a bug, because I do not know what I am doing. If I
need to install it to my computer and does not work as livecd. Or if I
need to install dhcpd service before going for network sharing.

 (3)  Email the fedora-desktop-list to bring attention to the issue

I will give it another try... and write more details.


 We certainly want this to work as advertised, in the same way that I
 witnessed right in front of me when I shot that film myself! ;-)


Thanks for your fast reply.

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Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Neville A. Cross
I have read a couple of news regarding this topic. I found clear leave
RHEL favouring a free distro. I was crystal clear to me using only one
distro makes things easy. What I fail to find in the news is a
technical reason to drop all RHEL and make standar Fedora, as they
should be good at with the past experience. In the several emails that
I have been reading in this topics found out that yearly updates may
be a burden. But that is not in any news that I have read. Long term
support may be a god thing, but I may argue that it was not the only
thing that came into play for this change.

I only regret knowing the fact that Wikipedia is/was using Fedora
until they have decided to switch as I may have been bored all my
acquaintances with it. As I have been telling everybody that Facebook
host a Fedora mirror but not ubuntu. (Are they using Fedora??) I think
the big lost is not have follow up to those flashy big project to help
them keep up Fedora. Telling that Roadrunner runs Fedora, make most
people think of cartoons.

Anyway, I appreciate that Fedora is the cutting edge. I am technically
challenged, so I will not develop anything, and mostly I stare amazed
the thing that Fedora brings to FOSS community. It seems elitist and I
feel a bit excluded if Fedora is really a distro for geeks. What I
mean if leading is what Fedora is all about, the marketing team and
fedora ambassadors should focus on gather and recruit leading
technical people and not trying to get everyday people.

I agree that it will be good to broad the range of Fedora users and if
long term support is an issue maybe has to be deal. Or try to simplify
more upgrades (something that is already easy). The bigger the
community, more ideas and more hand to have support.

But this is just my opinion.

Best regards!

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Re: ¡Announcing Fedora Colombia!

2008-09-08 Thread Neville A. Cross
Dear Diego,

I am happy to see your web site. I like the idea of Latin America
being more practive regarding FOSS an specially regarding Fedora. Keep
up the good work.

Neville A. Cross
Nicaragua
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2008/9/8 Alejandro Acosta [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Congratulations Man,

 These are excellent news,

 Viva Fedora !!



 2008/9/8 Diego Escobar [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 English:

 Hi all:

 I am pleased to introduce a new website Fedora, the first official in
 Colombia for Fedora Project and one more for Proyecto Fedora
 Latinoamerica, as a part of our commitment to spread Fedora on
 latinoamerican and spanish speakers communities.

 Thanks to all Fedora Community, to latinoamerican people and a special
 mention for Juan Rodriguez (Nushio) from Fedora Mexico who does a great
 job administrating Proyecto Fedora infraestructure.

 This is my first official contribution to send the Fedora´s message to
 the world, and I hope from this humble beginning, that Fedora Colombia not
 only is a meeting point for colombian fedora´s users else for latinoamerican
 people and contribute - of course - with much more to Fedora Project.

 You can see it on: http://proyectofedora.org/colombia

 Greetings!

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 Fedora Ambassador for Colombia
 Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22


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 Spanish:

 Hola a todos:

 Tengo el placer de presentarles un nuevo sitio Web de Fedora, el primero
 oficial en Colombia y uno más para Proyecto Fedora Latinoamérica, como parte
 de nuestro compromiso de masificar Fedora en Latinoamérica y la comunidad
 hispano hablante en general.

 Gracias a toda la comunidad Fedora, a las personas de latinoamérica y una
 mención especial a Juan Rodriguez (Nushio) de Fedora México quien realiza un
 excelente trabajo administrando la infraestructura de Proyecto Fedora.

 Este es mi primera contribución oficial para llevar el mensaje Fedora al
 mundo, y espero, desde este humilde comienzo, que Fedora Colombia no sólo
 sea un punto de encuentro para los usuarios de Fedora en Colombia, sino para
 Latinoamérica y contribuir -como no- con mucho más a Proyecto Fedora.

 Puede visitar el sitio en: http://proyectofedora.org/colombia

 Saludos!

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Re: press kit

2008-09-06 Thread Neville A. Cross
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:25 AM, wonderer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hy there,

 I had a short look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press and I
 miss a press-kit, a lets say press information document, a short doc
 where all necessary things a journalist needs to know about fedora is
 presented.
 Is there a need for it? If yes, I would be glad to write one.


I would love to have a text like that, and also that has been reviewed
for several people.
I offer to translate that to Spanish.

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