Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
Doug Berry wrote: Hardbacks are more expensive to create, but it should not be that much. One way we could go would be to sell the book at our cost. Not add anything to the price, or at least adjust the price down to compensation for the change in cover. If we plan to sell about 100-200 pieces from a book, adding a few dollars to the price will probably bring something under $1000 in total. I don't think that is worth and better having the books as cheap as possible (not adding anything) and make them as affordable ass possible, so the number of purchasers may be larger. Spreading more Fedora love is more important IMO. I know Ian was planning on having the first books pay for the rest of them, but maybe we can work something out. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
--- On Mon, 1/5/09, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I *really* would prefer hardbacks. That's a much more > lasting item, > whether we give as gifts or buy for ourselves. But again, > if the cost > makes them so expensive no one will buy them, that would be > a silly > requirement. I just hope they're not *that* costly. Hardbacks are more expensive to create, but it should not be that much. One way we could go would be to sell the book at our cost. Not add anything to the price, or at least adjust the price down to compensation for the change in cover. I know Ian was planning on having the first books pay for the rest of them, but maybe we can work something out. -- Douglas Berry -- slasher...@fedora.com -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 12:19:08PM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 10:47:24PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > > > > > It's what they offer. If someone wants to double check me, I was going > > off of these PDFs -- http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/lsi-docs/ > > You may need to chmod 644 those docs -- I can't access them here. > Oh. Thanks, done :) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams pgp4QhBgmtbVW.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 10:47:24PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:44:18PM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > 2009/1/5 Ian Weller : > > > My plan I emailed a day or two ago called for an 8.5" square paperback > > > with 80 full color pages. > > > > If I was forced to choose, I'd take color pages over hardback... but > > that seems a little odd that you can't do both. > > > It's what they offer. If someone wants to double check me, I was going > off of these PDFs -- http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/lsi-docs/ You may need to chmod 644 those docs -- I can't access them here. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpbBkDXIrlcv.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:44:18PM -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2009/1/5 Ian Weller : > > My plan I emailed a day or two ago called for an 8.5" square paperback > > with 80 full color pages. > > If I was forced to choose, I'd take color pages over hardback... but > that seems a little odd that you can't do both. > It's what they offer. If someone wants to double check me, I was going off of these PDFs -- http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/lsi-docs/ -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams pgpL1uCUlJ9zG.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
2009/1/5 Ian Weller : > My plan I emailed a day or two ago called for an 8.5" square paperback > with 80 full color pages. If I was forced to choose, I'd take color pages over hardback... but that seems a little odd that you can't do both. -jef -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:06:08PM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:55:17PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > > The only real reason I would want to do this is if we decreased the > > purchase price accordingly. I think the less hassle we put on us (have > > distributors do the work for us), the better, and the extra bit in the > > price pays for itself. From what I understand, we're setting the > > wholesale price, not the retail price though. > > > > That's not to say I'm completely against doing the shipping ourselves. > > Agreed about letting the distributors take up some of the work if it's > possible and not too cost prohibitive. > I don't think it is. The pricing I mentioned is for going through with the distributors plan. That is, we're setting wholesale price at $15, so not sure what it'll end up being retail (we can set a price, but who knows if it'll stick). > Agreed again. It would be great to integrate Mo's graphics with the > cover design, the endpapers, and/or some part of the interior page > design: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fourfs/ > But of course :) I'm already thinking up designs in my head. > I *really* would prefer hardbacks. That's a much more lasting item, > whether we give as gifts or buy for ourselves. But again, if the cost > makes them so expensive no one will buy them, that would be a silly > requirement. I just hope they're not *that* costly. > So do I, but I also would really prefer color pages. Apparently the two options are not combinable at LSI... but if someone could call them and confirm that that'd be cool. My plan I emailed a day or two ago called for an 8.5" square paperback with 80 full color pages. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams pgplzNwk9wHtx.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:55:17PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:29:18PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > > When I mentioned using Wal-mart or Amazon as vendors, that > > is of course one way we could go. We will have that > > automatically when we register with LSI. But the most profitable > > way to go would be to sell any books ourselves. If a vendor > > sells the book, they are going to add 15%, that is deducted > > out of our profit, not from LSI. > > > > Setting up a web page and taking orders ourselves would mean > > we would make the most profit from our book. > The only real reason I would want to do this is if we decreased the > purchase price accordingly. I think the less hassle we put on us (have > distributors do the work for us), the better, and the extra bit in the > price pays for itself. From what I understand, we're setting the > wholesale price, not the retail price though. > > That's not to say I'm completely against doing the shipping ourselves. Agreed about letting the distributors take up some of the work if it's possible and not too cost prohibitive. > > I am not sure what you mean with the four different books. > > Is that four books at once, or one at a time? Book sales > > are almost impossible to predict. But I think that the first > > book will sell. It may well pay for the other four. > > > The first set would be four books at once, aligning with the four > foundations. We need a *lot* more marketing collateral on these and this > is just another way to push that during this release cycle. Agreed again. It would be great to integrate Mo's graphics with the cover design, the endpapers, and/or some part of the interior page design: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fourfs/ > > One way to gage this: at this upcoming FUDCON, if we are going > > to be passing out release forms, maybe we could take a legal > > pad or pledge cards and ask people "would you like to pre-order > > the book your picture will be in?" If the people whose pictures > > and names are going to be in the book, won't commit to buying > > it, we might as well quit right now. > > > Great idea! I'll put those on the release forms we make up. > > > Then again, we are not even bound, no pun intended, to producing > > a bound book. We could go magazine style: folded pages, stapled > > in the middle, the cheapest type of book. We could do any amount > > of pages, 20, 40, 80, 160. > > > I was thinking that the idea would be that we have a nice, high-quality > physical book. Quite frankly, paperback would be the least I would go in > quality. I *really* would prefer hardbacks. That's a much more lasting item, whether we give as gifts or buy for ourselves. But again, if the cost makes them so expensive no one will buy them, that would be a silly requirement. I just hope they're not *that* costly. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpwOTJpP4QAY.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:29:18PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > When I mentioned using Wal-mart or Amazon as vendors, that > is of course one way we could go. We will have that > automatically when we register with LSI. But the most profitable > way to go would be to sell any books ourselves. If a vendor > sells the book, they are going to add 15%, that is deducted > out of our profit, not from LSI. > > Setting up a web page and taking orders ourselves would mean > we would make the most profit from our book. The only real reason I would want to do this is if we decreased the purchase price accordingly. I think the less hassle we put on us (have distributors do the work for us), the better, and the extra bit in the price pays for itself. From what I understand, we're setting the wholesale price, not the retail price though. That's not to say I'm completely against doing the shipping ourselves. > I am not sure what you mean with the four different books. > Is that four books at once, or one at a time? Book sales > are almost impossible to predict. But I think that the first > book will sell. It may well pay for the other four. > The first set would be four books at once, aligning with the four foundations. We need a *lot* more marketing collateral on these and this is just another way to push that during this release cycle. > One way to gage this: at this upcoming FUDCON, if we are going > to be passing out release forms, maybe we could take a legal > pad or pledge cards and ask people "would you like to pre-order > the book your picture will be in?" If the people whose pictures > and names are going to be in the book, won't commit to buying > it, we might as well quit right now. > Great idea! I'll put those on the release forms we make up. > Then again, we are not even bound, no pun intended, to producing > a bound book. We could go magazine style: folded pages, stapled > in the middle, the cheapest type of book. We could do any amount > of pages, 20, 40, 80, 160. > I was thinking that the idea would be that we have a nice, high-quality physical book. Quite frankly, paperback would be the least I would go in quality. > I wonder myself, and I think that after the first couple of books, > which we could do bound, sales might drop off even from the > most committed Fedoreans. So maybe anticipating that and going > to a zine would be better in the long run. > The idea for books past the four foundations set would be for specific things -- like if the KDE SIG wanted us to produce one. The demand will still be there -- just in selective groups. And as I mentioned in a previous email, for the next 6 books (which I expect to at least take a few years to get through all of those), we don't need to buy any more ISBNs, because we will already have them, so that's a lot of the cost out of the way. > I definitely think it should be Max, or someone Red Hat. > LSI is going to like much better dealing with an established > corporation. All Max or whoever would have to do is go to > the Lightning Source web site, click on the "New Accounts" > button and fill out the form. Once we are registered, they > will assign us a "Guide" who will explain their system. > I'll talk to Max about this sometime when we're both awake. > I think I understand the point that Paul Fields was trying > to make the other day: we are a FREE Software foundation > and we don't want to appear to be morphing into a commercial > book publish phenomenom. But if it seems to be a Red Hat > venture and are just a Beta version of it, well > As the footers (seemingly ironically) say: we're sponsored by Red Hat, but Red Hat is not responsible for what we do. ;) We're a community, and this will be done by the community. It bothers me not that we should have a Red Hatter register with LSI, since that makes sense, but considering it a "Red Hat" venture seems... not correct ^_^ -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams pgpCjz7yIH27S.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
--- On Mon, 1/5/09, Nicu Buculei wrote > > I think we may have enough in-house experience for the > task, so maybe the class room can be held by Fedora > "subject matter experts". Exactly, Nicu, thanks for the help on that other thing too. I could probably do a class on Scribus, since I have built several books using it. Maybe we can get something worked up. -- Douglas Berry -- slasher...@fedoraproject.org -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
Doug Berry wrote: One thing though. After FUDCON, when the pics start rolling in, we are going to be using Open Source Software to create the actual books. Most probably Scribus, Open Office, The Gimp, and ?. Maybe we could approach some of these projects and set-up an agreeable time for the most people, then have someone from these projects give us a IRC Fedora Classroom session on How-to use their stuff to create a book. I think we may have enough in-house experience for the task, so maybe the class room can be held by Fedora "subject matter experts". -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
--- On Mon, 1/5/09, Paul W. Frields wrote: > It seems to me that Max has got a plan for how to make the > finances > work out, whether that's by simply giving these as > community gifts or > using any income to fund other Fedora efforts (or simply > sustain the > publishing and gift-giving on the side). My only concern > was that we > maintain transparency in any financial accounting. I'd > love to write > an introduction for these. Way cool! If we do this right and keep our books affordable so more people can afford to buy them, we should pay our way and make a few bucks. Once we do a couple of books, we can gage interest and be able to adjust our costs and prices accordingly. One thing though. After FUDCON, when the pics start rolling in, we are going to be using Open Source Software to create the actual books. Most probably Scribus, Open Office, The Gimp, and ?. Maybe we could approach some of these projects and set-up an agreeable time for the most people, then have someone from these projects give us a IRC Fedora Classroom session on How-to use their stuff to create a book. -- w Douglas Berry -- slasher...@fedoraproject.org -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:29:18PM -0800, Doug Berry wrote: > > (However I'm not sure who needs to register on > > LSI's website if Max is > > the one getting all the moneys.) > > I definitely think it should be Max, or someone Red Hat. > LSI is going to like much better dealing with an established > corporation. All Max or whoever would have to do is go to > the Lightning Source web site, click on the "New Accounts" > button and fill out the form. Once we are registered, they > will assign us a "Guide" who will explain their system. > > I think I understand the point that Paul Fields was trying > to make the other day: we are a FREE Software foundation > and we don't want to appear to be morphing into a commercial > book publish phenomenom. But if it seems to be a Red Hat > venture and are just a Beta version of it, well It seems to me that Max has got a plan for how to make the finances work out, whether that's by simply giving these as community gifts or using any income to fund other Fedora efforts (or simply sustain the publishing and gift-giving on the side). My only concern was that we maintain transparency in any financial accounting. I'd love to write an introduction for these. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp7LU8PnEnCt.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
--- On Sat, 1/3/09, Ian Weller wrote: > Do we want to set up a website somewhere and point shoppers > to > Amazon.com or whatnot? (Gah, I'm thinking way too far > ahead again) When I mentioned using Wal-mart or Amazon as vendors, that is of course one way we could go. We will have that automatically when we register with LSI. But the most profitable way to go would be to sell any books ourselves. If a vendor sells the book, they are going to add 15%, that is deducted out of our profit, not from LSI. Setting up a web page and taking orders ourselves would mean we would make the most profit from our book. ... > > Lightning Source would then send us a royalty check, I > > think it's every three months. We can just have > them send > > it to Max and he can disburse any funds. > > > You OK with this, Max? We could just plan for this, and it > would make me > feel a lot better if we got this problem out of the way > first ^_^ I agree. If Max could handle the money, we would just be free to create books and not have to worry about money responsibilities. I think any monies should go to Red Hat anyway, even if we have to sneak it in a back door. ... > Questions I have for you guys: > 1. Does this sound reasonable? Does it seem viable that we > can sell 105 >copies in a year? For those who will be in the book, or > other Fedora >contributors, or other Fedora fans, the $60 for the > first set of four >price seems a bit large. I'm not really sure. I am not sure what you mean with the four different books. Is that four books at once, or one at a time? Book sales are almost impossible to predict. But I think that the first book will sell. It may well pay for the other four. One way to gage this: at this upcoming FUDCON, if we are going to be passing out release forms, maybe we could take a legal pad or pledge cards and ask people "would you like to pre-order the book your picture will be in?" If the people whose pictures and names are going to be in the book, won't commit to buying it, we might as well quit right now. Then again, we are not even bound, no pun intended, to producing a bound book. We could go magazine style: folded pages, stapled in the middle, the cheapest type of book. We could do any amount of pages, 20, 40, 80, 160. I wonder myself, and I think that after the first couple of books, which we could do bound, sales might drop off even from the most committed Fedoreans. So maybe anticipating that and going to a zine would be better in the long run. .. > (However I'm not sure who needs to register on > LSI's website if Max is > the one getting all the moneys.) I definitely think it should be Max, or someone Red Hat. LSI is going to like much better dealing with an established corporation. All Max or whoever would have to do is go to the Lightning Source web site, click on the "New Accounts" button and fill out the form. Once we are registered, they will assign us a "Guide" who will explain their system. I think I understand the point that Paul Fields was trying to make the other day: we are a FREE Software foundation and we don't want to appear to be morphing into a commercial book publish phenomenom. But if it seems to be a Red Hat venture and are just a Beta version of it, well -- Douglas Berry -- slasher...@fedoraproject.com -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 07:45:45AM -0800, Doug Berry wrote:
> > I don't see any reason why not. We just want to make
> > sure we know who is holding the money, and how much there
> > ends up being. I think it's a pretty simple &
> > straightforward problem to solve.
>
> If I may jump in on this for a moment. The only way we
> would ever sell or handle any books ourselves, would be
> if we chose to buy them from Lightning Source and sell
> them.
>
> Otherwise all sales would be handled by Lightning Source
> and they would provide us with strict accounting for each
> sale. They are a division of Ingram Book Services, which
> handles half the books in the world and is a multi-billion
> dollar enterprise.
>
> Once the book(s) are in the Ingram database, we can just
> direct any buyers to Amazon, Wal-mart, any book store with
> a computer, and a zillion other on-line vendors.
>
Do we want to set up a website somewhere and point shoppers to
Amazon.com or whatnot? (Gah, I'm thinking way too far ahead again)
> Lightning Source would then send us a royalty check, I
> think it's every three months. We can just have them send
> it to Max and he can disburse any funds.
>
You OK with this, Max? We could just plan for this, and it would make me
feel a lot better if we got this problem out of the way first ^_^
> Also, I have a bunch of documents that Lightning Source
> sent me. They are pretty thorough in breaking down the
> costs and establishing what we can expect from them. I
> tried to send them to some people over the mailing lists
> email, but the file size was to big and it crashed. I also
> sent them to Ian, so if anyone wants a copy, they would
> need to provide him or I with a outside email address.
>
I've placed them here: http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/lsi-docs/
So here's what I'm thinking initially: we publish four books ("Volumes
1-4"), each entitled something like "The Fedora Book: Friends", or
whatever, for each of the four foundations (freedom, friends, features,
first).
Each book would contain about 80 pages. (LSI requires page counts in
multiples of 4; for reference, The Love Book has 96 pages.) If we go
less than 80 pages, we can't put text on the spine (which would
definitely help in identifying the book on a shelf with four or so
different copies of The Fedora Book).
80 pages: (odd pages on right side, even on left)
1. Title page
2. Copyright (CC-BY-SA, right?)/cataloging data
3-4. Introduction by current FPL (if Paul doesn't take up two pages,
make page 3 blank)
5. Introduction of the foundation whose story is being told in this
book, with wonderful Four Foundations livery provided by Mo
6-77. Photos and stories of contributors
78-79. Index of contributors across all books published so far
80. Left blank because LSI told us to (they stick an internal barcode
on here)
I envision the pages being in full color. LSI will print a full color
book, sized 8.5" x 8.5" (whoa, another parallel to The Love Book!) with
80 pages, for $8.20 per unit (book). Setup for the title comes out to
$75 (half for the cover, half for the pages), and to make the book
available to Amazon and the like, we are charged $12/yr for each ISBN.
Add to this cost the necessity of getting a proof for each individual
book. For an 80-page book, this would be $22.20. And, we need ISBNs.
Doug mentioned this would be $275 for a block of 10 ISBNs.
The initial cost, then, is $711.80 for the four books. Setting the
wholesale markup to $15 keeps the price reasonable for both buyers and
us -- we can recoup the cost for all four books with 105 sales.[1] Add
to this an additional $48/yr after the first year -- and remember, this
isn't including any additional books that we may want to produce after
these four. Also, keep in mind that we still have six more ISBNs to do
whatever with. The initial cost for the next six books would be $87 plus
$12 per year after the first year.
[1]: This is overall sales of all the four books, not each one.
(For those who may be wondering where any of this information is, it's
not in the POD manual (USOPSMANUAL080108.pdf), it's in US COLOR PRICE
SHEET 091508.pdf.)
I would like to mention that the proposal Doug emailed to me pertains to
only one book, while this pertains to an initial four.
Questions I have for you guys:
1. Does this sound reasonable? Does it seem viable that we can sell 105
copies in a year? For those who will be in the book, or other Fedora
contributors, or other Fedora fans, the $60 for the first set of four
price seems a bit large. I'm not really sure.
2. On a totally unrelated note, where are we going to stick all of the
photos for this project? We need somewhere where we can also enter
their "story", and where others can upload their photos into a
moderation queue. Flickr is what I see in my mind as being the least
trouble, but it's not open source, and most of the photograhpers
would need a pro account ($30som
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
--- On Fri, 1/2/09, Max Spevack wrote: > I don't see any reason why not. We just want to make > sure we know who is holding the money, and how much there > ends up being. I think it's a pretty simple & > straightforward problem to solve. If I may jump in on this for a moment. The only way we would ever sell or handle any books ourselves, would be if we chose to buy them from Lightning Source and sell them. Otherwise all sales would be handled by Lightning Source and they would provide us with strict accounting for each sale. They are a division of Ingram Book Services, which handles half the books in the world and is a multi-billion dollar enterprise. Once the book(s) are in the Ingram database, we can just direct any buyers to Amazon, Wal-mart, any book store with a computer, and a zillion other on-line vendors. Lightning Source would then send us a royalty check, I think it's every three months. We can just have them send it to Max and he can disburse any funds. Also, I have a bunch of documents that Lightning Source sent me. They are pretty thorough in breaking down the costs and establishing what we can expect from them. I tried to send them to some people over the mailing lists email, but the file size was to big and it crashed. I also sent them to Ian, so if anyone wants a copy, they would need to provide him or I with a outside email address. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Picture Book....
On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, Ian Weller wrote: Can the profit be added to budgets for Ambassadors events or whatnot? I don't see any reason why not. We just want to make sure we know who is holding the money, and how much there ends up being. I think it's a pretty simple & straightforward problem to solve. --Max -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
