Re: Temporary FI platform
Yes. Let me know when you get something up, I will get familiarized and then we can get something going for people to start throwing darts at :) It's up - http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula - have fun! I did not install the fedora-zikula or zikula-fasauth packages yet. I don't have bandwidth to get to those two things this week, actually, so if some Infrastructure-minded person would like to take on a relatively smallish pair of tasks, feel free to go for it. :) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mel Chuam...@redhat.com wrote: Yes. Let me know when you get something up, I will get familiarized and then we can get something going for people to start throwing darts at :) It's up - http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula - have fun! I registered, but the mail with my password was never received.. :) I did not install the fedora-zikula or zikula-fasauth packages yet. I don't have bandwidth to get to those two things this week, actually, so if some Infrastructure-minded person would like to take on a relatively smallish pair of tasks, feel free to go for it. :) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
RE: Temporary FI platform
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mel Chuam...@redhat.com wrote: Yes. Let me know when you get something up, I will get familiarized and then we can get something going for people to start throwing darts at :) It's up - http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula - have fun! I registered, but the mail with my password was never received.. :) You'll probably find that publictest machines don't have a mailserver installed. An admin will need to set you up with a default password. Also, registration shouldn't be necessary with the fasauth module I built - but it does need to be installed. Simon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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I registered, but the mail with my password was never received.. :) You'll probably find that publictest machines don't have a mailserver installed. An admin will need to set you up with a default password. Also, registration shouldn't be necessary with the fasauth module I built - but it does need to be installed. Robyn's password has been emailed to her. I'm installing the fasauth module now. (Well, trying. Popping into #fedora-admin once again...) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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So. I'm in, but, anything that I'm entering in is not being saved. I updated my profile info with my full name, etc and submitted it, was returned a happy green box saying Done! Personal info saved - but nothing actually saved. Same for news article - did an action - submit article, clicked the green checkbox, but its not passing through, although it says done! - news article created. On 8/17/09, Mel Chua m...@redhat.com wrote: I registered, but the mail with my password was never received.. :) You'll probably find that publictest machines don't have a mailserver installed. An admin will need to set you up with a default password. Also, registration shouldn't be necessary with the fasauth module I built - but it does need to be installed. Robyn's password has been emailed to her. I'm installing the fasauth module now. (Well, trying. Popping into #fedora-admin once again...) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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I'd definitely like to see the code for that somewhere though :-) Oops, and just a few seconds later, I discover https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-zikula/ with its git repo at git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-zikula.git. And if that wasn't enough, it's already in the infrastructure repo, so you can just yum install zikula-module-fedora-fasauth when you set it up on a publictest machine. I am responsible for zikula-fasauth (yes, I'm lurking on most Fedora lists). FasAuth does the following: When you attempt to login it: 1. Checks you are a valid user in FAS 2. Checks that you are a member of a select few groups (CRA, cms-admin I think) 3. If you've been already, you get logged in 4. If you haven't been, you get a zikula mirror-account created 5. From here you are logged in Your password and username will always be controlled by FAS, and you have a shell account on the Zikula system for Zikula's access control and basic functionality. Access control and permissioning is handled by the Zikula system (we agreed with docs this would be better than adding loads of groups to FAS). I also recommend having a fallback vanilla Zikula admin account on the instance, so that should for any reason FAS go down (maintenance, error etc) we can still admin the website. Simon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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Are the same things that were blocking zikula for the docs team blocking zikula for marketing? Would it be that hard to get even an initial, relatively blank zikula instance on servers that are not covered by the Infrastructure change freeze and then work on polishing that? Great question. It sounds like some of them are, at least legally: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-August/000140.html (in response to http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-August/000138.html) Technically, though, it should not be that hard. This is what needs to be set up: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-August/000141.html (I don't think there's any real blocker on a test instance happening, just that nobody's stepped up to do it yet.) Robyn, is this something you'd be willing to work on? If Infra can get a test instance installed, could you take some F11 marketing content (for instance, the stuff already written up at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points) and take an hour or two to experiment with publishing those (copy-paste the content into blank articles) through the system to see what the interface/workflow/tags/feeds/etc. look like, to help give us a sense of how this setup might feel like to contribute news to and consume news from? (Or was it a different kind of help you wanted to offer?) That should put us in good shape for a right-after-F12 zikula launch for FI, but doesn't solve the temporary until that launches in, say, January, we need a place to put content and get feeds problem which I was hoping to tackle by getting a quick-and-dirty wp install up and skinned so we can concentrate on content for F12 while further platform work progresses in the background. That's why I'm temporarily looking into the wordpress thing. Does this make sense? --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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Well, that was quick. Ignore my last email - seems like I misspoke. Are the same things that were blocking zikula for the docs team blocking zikula for marketing? Would it be that hard to get even an initial, relatively blank zikula instance on servers that are not covered by the Infrastructure change freeze and then work on polishing that? After a conversation in #fedora-websites with ricky and poelcat, the answer to can we make a zikula-based FI go live for F12? now seems like this: * we aren't sure... * but there actually aren't any good reasons why it wouldn't work, * so we should try it until we hit an actual blocker. The legal things I thought were blocking zikula for us were actually blocking zikula for docs, *not* marketing. All 3 packages we need for an FI zikula instance (zikula, zikula-module-crpTag, and zikula-module-News) are already packaged and legal-happy. And zikula is extremely easy to set up. I just followed https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox, and in 14 minutes I went from which packages should I download? to logged into working local instance with both modules installed. So the next step is to get a test instance up. I'm working on this right now and it should be pretty quick (I expect to have it up and running by our Tuesday meeting, given that once I get through all the join Infrastructure! stuff it should take no more than 14 minutes for me to do this all again). The ticket is https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/14 - again, I've got it, but if someone gets to it faster than I do (probably super-late tonight; if not, Monday) I have no objections to that. :) After it's up, we're going to need a few testers to learn how to use Zikula and try putting up a few articles (using old content from F11 as dummy text) to see how the workflow goes. Robyn, if you'd like to run forward with this once the test instance is set up, that would be immensely awesome. I expect people to get confused the first time through, so the real goal of the first test run will be to document our confusion so we can figure out how to fix it. :) (then again, it was way easier than I expected to install, so maybe it'll be easy to learn as well! I couldn't figure it out, but I was only able to spend 5 minutes trying, and didn't look for tutorials or anything.) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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Sure, I'd be happy to help out with posting docs, testing things out, reporting back, etc. Question: are you planning on setting up pre-defined tags, buckets, categories, etc. for the system? Or have these even been determined - or waiting to be determined based on how the workflow feels once it's set up? I'm happy to provide feedback there - if needed - I'm kind of a document organization neat-freak (if only I could figure out how to apply this OCD trait to my closet). How will access be defined? Will there be more of a web-based apply for access / permissions thing, or will it be tied to my fedoraproject id? And if it is the latter, is there a specific group I should apply to to get the ball rolling? -r On 8/14/09, Mel Chua m...@redhat.com wrote: Well, that was quick. Ignore my last email - seems like I misspoke. Are the same things that were blocking zikula for the docs team blocking zikula for marketing? Would it be that hard to get even an initial, relatively blank zikula instance on servers that are not covered by the Infrastructure change freeze and then work on polishing that? After a conversation in #fedora-websites with ricky and poelcat, the answer to can we make a zikula-based FI go live for F12? now seems like this: * we aren't sure... * but there actually aren't any good reasons why it wouldn't work, * so we should try it until we hit an actual blocker. The legal things I thought were blocking zikula for us were actually blocking zikula for docs, *not* marketing. All 3 packages we need for an FI zikula instance (zikula, zikula-module-crpTag, and zikula-module-News) are already packaged and legal-happy. And zikula is extremely easy to set up. I just followed https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox, and in 14 minutes I went from which packages should I download? to logged into working local instance with both modules installed. So the next step is to get a test instance up. I'm working on this right now and it should be pretty quick (I expect to have it up and running by our Tuesday meeting, given that once I get through all the join Infrastructure! stuff it should take no more than 14 minutes for me to do this all again). The ticket is https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/14 - again, I've got it, but if someone gets to it faster than I do (probably super-late tonight; if not, Monday) I have no objections to that. :) After it's up, we're going to need a few testers to learn how to use Zikula and try putting up a few articles (using old content from F11 as dummy text) to see how the workflow goes. Robyn, if you'd like to run forward with this once the test instance is set up, that would be immensely awesome. I expect people to get confused the first time through, so the real goal of the first test run will be to document our confusion so we can figure out how to fix it. :) (then again, it was way easier than I expected to install, so maybe it'll be easy to learn as well! I couldn't figure it out, but I was only able to spend 5 minutes trying, and didn't look for tutorials or anything.) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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Sure, I'd be happy to help out with posting docs, testing things out, reporting back, etc. Thanks! Your questions are great - we don't have firm answers for them, but here's what I think they should be (as usual, whoever does the work gets the final say ;) so if you have good ideas, let's do them! Question: are you planning on setting up pre-defined tags, buckets, categories, etc. for the system? Yes. There will definitely be categories, and probably tags. There's a draft list up at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content_categories but this is by no means the final say. Or have these even been determined - or waiting to be determined based on how the workflow feels once it's set up? Mostly the latter. We need to talk with News (pcalarco) on what they'd like for workflow, but ultimately someone just has to Decide and Start Doing Stuff. Is that something you'd be interested in? As long as the front-end categories/tags/URLs stay the same, we can start with a draft workflow and then adjust as needed, depending on how it feels once it's set up. I'm happy to provide feedback there - if needed Oh, it's needed! How will access be defined? Will there be more of a web-based apply for access / permissions thing, or will it be tied to my fedoraproject id? And if it is the latter, is there a specific group I should apply to to get the ball rolling? Ideally, it'll be tied to FAS. I'm not sure how much work that will be to hook up, though - so we'll start with just create a web-based account until that looks like it isn't going to work much longer. (Which should be pretty soon; my personal panic-meter on this is probably going to kick in around a dozen test users or so.) Maybe not the answers you were looking for, but that's my best shot at it at the moment. :) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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On 2009-08-14 09:19:12 PM, Mel Chua wrote: How will access be defined? Will there be more of a web-based apply for access / permissions thing, or will it be tied to my fedoraproject id? And if it is the latter, is there a specific group I should apply to to get the ball rolling? Ideally, it'll be tied to FAS. I'm not sure how much work that will be to hook up, though - so we'll start with just create a web-based account until that looks like it isn't going to work much longer. (Which should be pretty soon; my personal panic-meter on this is probably going to kick in around a dozen test users or so.) I think docs has already done a good amount of work for FAS integration, so definitely ask them about that :-) Hopefully this kind of thing won't need particularly fine grained permissions though - I don't know how much of that is supported by the FAS plugin that the docs team had. I'd definitely like to see the code for that somewhere though :-) Thanks, Ricky pgphmgf3XyX5m.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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On 2009-08-14 09:42:21 PM, Ricky Zhou wrote: I'd definitely like to see the code for that somewhere though :-) Oops, and just a few seconds later, I discover https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-zikula/ with its git repo at git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-zikula.git. And if that wasn't enough, it's already in the infrastructure repo, so you can just yum install zikula-module-fedora-fasauth when you set it up on a publictest machine. Thanks, Ricky pgpSBQs5CUNKK.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Mel Chuam...@redhat.com wrote: Sure, I'd be happy to help out with posting docs, testing things out, reporting back, etc. Thanks! Your questions are great - we don't have firm answers for them, but here's what I think they should be (as usual, whoever does the work gets the final say ;) so if you have good ideas, let's do them! Question: are you planning on setting up pre-defined tags, buckets, categories, etc. for the system? Yes. There will definitely be categories, and probably tags. There's a draft list up at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content_categories but this is by no means the final say. Or have these even been determined - or waiting to be determined based on how the workflow feels once it's set up? Mostly the latter. We need to talk with News (pcalarco) on what they'd like for workflow, but ultimately someone just has to Decide and Start Doing Stuff. Is that something you'd be interested in? Yes. Let me know when you get something up, I will get familiarized and then we can get something going for people to start throwing darts at :) As long as the front-end categories/tags/URLs stay the same, we can start with a draft workflow and then adjust as needed, depending on how it feels once it's set up. I'm happy to provide feedback there - if needed Oh, it's needed! How will access be defined? Will there be more of a web-based apply for access / permissions thing, or will it be tied to my fedoraproject id? And if it is the latter, is there a specific group I should apply to to get the ball rolling? Ideally, it'll be tied to FAS. I'm not sure how much work that will be to hook up, though - so we'll start with just create a web-based account until that looks like it isn't going to work much longer. (Which should be pretty soon; my personal panic-meter on this is probably going to kick in around a dozen test users or so.) Maybe not the answers you were looking for, but that's my best shot at it at the moment. :) --Mel -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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SoI could theoretically take on this task. By theoretically, I mean that, ...get the infrastructure for an FI platform going... sounds fairly benign, but if it involves actual installation and whatnot, I may not be your girl. Feel free to ping me with more details offline... or on-list, in case anyone else is interested in hearing about the nitty-gritty. Or I can get on irc and discuss if that is better. :) Cheers- Robyn On 8/12/09, Mel Chua m...@redhat.com wrote: The short: It looks like zikula isn't going to make it in time for us to use it as a platform for FI for the F12 cycle. Therefore, proposal: Temporarily use wordpress as a quick-and-dirty FI platform for this release cycle only, designing the workflow for zikula so that we have a constant motivation (argh, this workflow isn't made for this software!) to drive the zikula stuff forward and migrate to it ASAP. The extra work this would create is not too bad. * migrating articles from wp to zikula when zikula is ready (we'd choose persistent URLs that work for both platforms) * manual cross-linking of translations while using wp (one wp instance per language) * Design's design for FI wp would have to be readapted to fit zikula when the time comes. Rationale: We have people who know wp and can make it function fast; wp was a runner-up during platform comparison (iirc), it's sufficiently feature-limited for the things we want that we'll be dissuaded for using it for way too long, and the number of published items that will go out over FI in the next 6 months is manageable (even if we average one item per day, that's 182.5 items; 200 is small enough to manually migrate if absolutely need be). Question: Can you spot any flaws in this idea? Rip it apart! If there aren't any gaping holes by the weekend, I'll ask Infrastructure to get us up a quick test instance to start with, so we can begin publishing finished material being created right now, like Paul's Summit usb key doco. Help needed: Ian is out of commission for a few weeks as the school year starts, so we're looking for someone to step up to get the infrastructure for an FI platform going. Any takers? (We'll know by this weekend whether it's wordpress or not; if wordpress, it'll be easy.) Context: see log below (slightly edited for relevance). --Mel ianweller mchua: i have some bad news about FI mchua ianweller: just saw the email thread - not going to make it in time for F12? ianweller mchua: correct mchua ianweller: I'm reading through and trying to understand what the blockers are. mchua ianweller: I've got my heart set on having an FI feed live for Ambassadors to use for the F12 cycle by the time beta goes out mchua ianweller: (...though I could be convinced of the impossibility of this) ianweller well, all the luck in the world to you :) mchua ianweller: can you tell me why the following is a terrible idea: mchua ianweller: wordpress as temporary F12 FI feed. ianweller none of these reasons might be blockers, i'm playing devil's advocate... ianweller 1) may be difficult to import back into zikula. mchua ianweller: quick, dirty, content goes up somewhere; it's tagged, feeds automagically exist, we can pick URLs so that they'll be persistent when we move to zikula. * mchua nods ianweller 2) less workflow management. mchua Definitely less workflow management. ianweller 3) dirty kludge for the time being that may accidentally become permanent. mchua 3) is what worries me. mchua ...though I am willing to sit down every week and manually crank through workflow, and sit down when zikula comes up and manually port over every article, if need be. ianweller that's all i can think of. :) mchua (the latter will actually be 'write a python script that...') ianweller python is like crack mchua and if marketing and news folks are gritting their teeth through using wordpress every week, zikula will get up in a freakin' hurry mchua I want wordpress to be functional, but to be functional *with pain* so that we don't get complacent and use it for F13 as well, basically. mchua ianweller: but it's *happy* crack! ianweller lol mchua ianweller: i sampled everything in the medicine cabinet for comparison. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Temporary FI platform
On 2009-08-13 12:48:14 AM, Mel Chua wrote: The short: It looks like zikula isn't going to make it in time for us to use it as a platform for FI for the F12 cycle. Therefore, proposal: Temporarily use wordpress as a quick-and-dirty FI platform for this release cycle only, designing the workflow for zikula so that we have a constant motivation (argh, this workflow isn't made for this software!) to drive the zikula stuff forward and migrate to it ASAP. Are the same things that were blocking zikula for the docs team blocking zikula for marketing? Would it be that hard to get even an initial, relatively blank zikula instance on servers that are not covered by the Infrastructure change freeze and then work on polishing that? I'm asking because this is almost making it seem like we have the ability to easily setup and play with a wordpress instance while somehow being unable to do this with zikula, which doesn't make all that much sense to me (although I am totally unfamiliar with the specifics here) - are there any specific things that are blocking marketing from working on an initial zikula instance at the moment? Thanks, Ricky pgpBZDuhU3CnL.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
