Re: This Weekend
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote: about it but I am curious as to why these particular features are being picked among the many many new features planned for Fedora 11. I think, we need to make sure we are picking the right features to focus on, first. We discussed this stuff publicly in both of the last two Marketing Meetings on IRC, so if you read over the logs, you will have seen some conversation about them there. Following up on those IRC conversations, Paul and I chatted about it a bit over the phone privately. Then I put up a first-pass of the in-depth features page for everyone to take a look at on the Marketing list. See Paul's previous reply for more details. --Max -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: This Weekend
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, Max Spevack wrote: about it but I am curious as to why these particular features are being picked among the many many new features planned for Fedora 11. I think, we need to make sure we are picking the right features to focus on, first. We discussed this stuff publicly in both of the last two Marketing Meetings on IRC, so if you read over the logs, you will have seen some conversation about them there. Following up on those IRC conversations, Paul and I chatted about it a bit over the phone privately. Then I put up a first-pass of the in-depth features page for everyone to take a look at on the Marketing list. See Paul's previous reply for more details. Given all of the context now available in this thread, Rahul, do you: a) feel like we were clear enough about doing this in public? (For the record, I believe that we were very clear about it in the context of the marketing meetings, but if you hadn't heard about it until Jack's email, then something fell through the cracks.) b) feel like there is anything either wrong, or missing, from the list? --Max -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: This Weekend
Max Spevack wrote: Given all of the context now available in this thread, Rahul, do you: a) feel like we were clear enough about doing this in public? (For the record, I believe that we were very clear about it in the context of the marketing meetings, but if you hadn't heard about it until Jack's email, then something fell through the cracks.) Not your fault. I just haven't been attending the marketing meetings or reading through the logs much. b) feel like there is anything either wrong, or missing, from the list? Not sure which ones to highlight more but I can go with the following broader themes and categorize the features including but not limited to the key things in the feature list. * Desktop - Presto (delta rpms), Ext4, 20 second bootup, Guest user account by default in GNOME (via xguest), KMS improvements (Intel by default which means among other things pretty graphics via plymouth, Nvidia - easy on, AMD already supported in Fedora 10 but improved in Fedora 11) Improvements in system-config-printer at http://cyberelk.net/tim/2009/02/03/screenshots-system-config-printer-11/ SELinux troubleshooter has been partially rewritten in C and the separate boot service has been dropped resulting in much improved performance http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/26053.html Automatic fonts Volume Control, Nouveau (instead of nv 2d driver. 3d support is disable since it is not mature enough) IBus instead of SCIM input method by default, ABRT (automatic desktop crash handler), DeviceKit DRI2 (GL + compiz essentially), rpm 4.7 ((much improved performance and memory footprint). ), Firefox 3.1, Thunderbird 3.0, gnome 2.26, kde 4.2, xfce 4.6, x server 1.6. * Developers - Windows cross compiler (Mingw + lots of cross compiled libraries which is unique), Eclipse profiling tools, debuginfofs, archer (gdb devel branch) . Python 2.6, GCC 4.4, tigervnc * Security - Svirt, stronger hashes, dns security extensions, cups policykit integration, dbus policy changes, system services security daemon, fingerprint improvements, pam gdm changes. * Enterprise - active directory interoperability via openchange, control groups, power management improvements, minimal anaconda installation, minimal text installer. Anaconda storage rewrite. Ext4 is important for enterprise too. GFS2, Much of developer and security stuff is of interest here as well. Supporter arch changes and esp kernel changes http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/2009/02/09/fedora-kernel-packaging/ * Virtualization - Improve console (screenshots at http://blog.wikichoon.com/2009/02/virt-manager-in-fedora-11-new-vm-wizard.html) , vnc auth, KVM PCI device assignment, svirt Now If I had to pick a few, I would highlight these in no particular order. They show leadership, uniqueness and ability to drive fundamental changes throughout many upstream projects and distribution level improvements as well. Highlights: Ext4, presto, guest user account, 20 sec startup, volume control, new virt-manager with improved console, system-config-printer changes, openchange, control groups, windows cross compiler, desktop crash handler, KMS improvements, Nouveau by default, openchange, svirt, new text mode installer, rpm 4.7 Hope that helps. Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: This Weekend
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Now If I had to pick a few, I would highlight these in no particular order. They show leadership, uniqueness and ability to drive fundamental changes throughout many upstream projects and distribution level improvements as well. All of these get highlighted. Some in the talking points, some in the release summary, some in the in-depth profiles that this thread was discussing earlier, some in blog posts, and some in speeches (I'll be talking about 20 second boot and presto tomorrow at Chemnitzer Linux Tage), and some in Paul's interviews with media. Part of what I see as one of Fedora Marketing's goals this release cycles is to try spreading our feature discussions around different delivery mechanisms, and see how it works. There are a lot of ways to spread our message. If we get through this first set of in-depth features and want to add more, we certainly will. --Max -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: This Weekend
Max Spevack wrote: Part of what I see as one of Fedora Marketing's goals this release cycles is to try spreading our feature discussions around different delivery mechanisms, and see how it works. There are a lot of ways to spread our message. If we get through this first set of in-depth features and want to add more, we certainly will. Agreed. It would be useful for developers or people who understand the features in depth to blog about it more, one by one. Red Hat Marketing could help here a lot. Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: This Weekend
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 06:31:22PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Max Spevack wrote: Given all of the context now available in this thread, Rahul, do you: a) feel like we were clear enough about doing this in public? (For the record, I believe that we were very clear about it in the context of the marketing meetings, but if you hadn't heard about it until Jack's email, then something fell through the cracks.) Not your fault. I just haven't been attending the marketing meetings or reading through the logs much. b) feel like there is anything either wrong, or missing, from the list? Not sure which ones to highlight more but I can go with the following broader themes and categorize the features including but not limited to the key things in the feature list. [...snip...] This is an exhaustive list, which kind of defeats the point of highlights. However, you are completely correct that these are all very worthy features. We had to choose a small list on which to concentrate, which is the only rational strategy since we're covering them with limited resources. Part of the reason we choose highlights and build stories around them, rather than trying to do this with every single feature, is that Red Hat Marketing lends substantial support to our campaign around each release. They also have finite resources with which to do this work and have asked me repeatedly for the past few releases to center in on a handful of features that have immediate broad appeal or compelling stories we can build around them. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpLTq8Aljaq0.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: This Weekend
Paul W. Frields wrote: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 06:31:22PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Max Spevack wrote: Given all of the context now available in this thread, Rahul, do you: a) feel like we were clear enough about doing this in public? (For the record, I believe that we were very clear about it in the context of the marketing meetings, but if you hadn't heard about it until Jack's email, then something fell through the cracks.) Not your fault. I just haven't been attending the marketing meetings or reading through the logs much. b) feel like there is anything either wrong, or missing, from the list? Not sure which ones to highlight more but I can go with the following broader themes and categorize the features including but not limited to the key things in the feature list. [...snip...] This is an exhaustive list, which kind of defeats the point of highlights. However, you are completely correct that these are all very worthy features. We had to choose a small list on which to concentrate, which is the only rational strategy since we're covering them with limited resources. Part of the reason we choose highlights and build stories around them, rather than trying to do this with every single feature, is that Red Hat Marketing lends substantial support to our campaign around each release. They also have finite resources with which to do this work and have asked me repeatedly for the past few releases to center in on a handful of features that have immediate broad appeal or compelling stories we can build around them. Yes, I understand that which is why I provided both a categorization of features that I think will make it easier for a audience to gain a broad overview but also specifically listed highlights at the end which I think deserves more press. Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
This Weekend
Hey All, So on the heels of everything that went on this week, there are a couple of things that could use some love over the weekend. First and foremost, at the meeting, the In Depth Features coverage idea was announced and there was a page up here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_in-depth_features . If people can please pick up the remaining features by Monday that would be a great help and then we can discuss them on Tuesday's upcoming meeting. Also, if anyone has remaining tasks relating to the News Distribution Network or anything on the schedule page, we're coming up on beta quickly so now is the time to get cracking, let the list know if you need help. Finally, Ian, can you let us know if we can open up the submissions for the picture book. I guess school dragged you away from everything, but if we are cool I would like to start spamming planet. Btw, the image submission stuff is here for anyyone who doesn't know: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Submitting_images_for_the_picture_book Thanks, Jack -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: This Weekend
Jack Aboutboul wrote: Hey All, So on the heels of everything that went on this week, there are a couple of things that could use some love over the weekend. First and foremost, at the meeting, the In Depth Features coverage idea was announced and there was a page up here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_in-depth_features . If people can please pick up the remaining features by Monday that would be a great help and then we can discuss them on Tuesday's upcoming meeting. I picked Ext4 since I have spend quite a bit of time learning more about it but I am curious as to why these particular features are being picked among the many many new features planned for Fedora 11. I think, we need to make sure we are picking the right features to focus on, first. Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: This Weekend
Rahul Sundaram wrote: Jack Aboutboul wrote: Hey All, So on the heels of everything that went on this week, there are a couple of things that could use some love over the weekend. First and foremost, at the meeting, the In Depth Features coverage idea was announced and there was a page up here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_in-depth_features . If people can please pick up the remaining features by Monday that would be a great help and then we can discuss them on Tuesday's upcoming meeting. I picked Ext4 since I have spend quite a bit of time learning more about it but I am curious as to why these particular features are being picked among the many many new features planned for Fedora 11. I think, we need to make sure we are picking the right features to focus on, first. The list was decided by Max and Paul themselves... Jack -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: This Weekend
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 06:01:28PM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Jack Aboutboul wrote: Hey All, So on the heels of everything that went on this week, there are a couple of things that could use some love over the weekend. First and foremost, at the meeting, the In Depth Features coverage idea was announced and there was a page up here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_in-depth_features . If people can please pick up the remaining features by Monday that would be a great help and then we can discuss them on Tuesday's upcoming meeting. I picked Ext4 since I have spend quite a bit of time learning more about it but I am curious as to why these particular features are being picked among the many many new features planned for Fedora 11. I think, we need to make sure we are picking the right features to focus on, first. The list was decided by Max and Paul themselves... In fact, we worked on this in the last Marketing meeting, and the one previous, IIRC. We tried to find a round representation of those features that: * provided compelling stories of interest to the lay press that tends to cover Fedora, showing off new features in which we had a significant hand developing * indicated the continuity of feature planning, allowing us to show that Fedora is engineered for the long-haul, not patched together with quick fixes * indicate the future across the platform, including end-user functionality (PK, PA volume), business relevance (virt), and collaboration strategy (Moksha). -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpnvz2BFs0SJ.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: This Weekend?
On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 02:36 +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: Jack Aboutboul wrote: Hey Guys, I was wondering if anyone had anything interesting they planned on doing over the weekend and whether anyone needs help. The Dutch are getting together and see how they can improve the Fedora community in the Netherlands March 7th. Where / When ? Regards, Pierre -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
This Weekend?
Hey Guys, I was wondering if anyone had anything interesting they planned on doing over the weekend and whether anyone needs help. Let us know, Jack -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: This Weekend?
Jack Aboutboul wrote: Hey Guys, I was wondering if anyone had anything interesting they planned on doing over the weekend and whether anyone needs help. The Dutch are getting together and see how they can improve the Fedora community in the Netherlands March 7th. Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: This Weekend?
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 16:49 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: Hey Guys, Yesterdays meeting was great. Alot of positive energy and we have been accomplishing a lot lately. Here are a list of things that we can try to tackle over the weekend, for those of us who find some time: * Add your name to the meeting matrix so we can establish a new time for the meetings: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jack/Meeting_matrix * Continue to add things to the release calendar: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule * It might be good for us to have this new schedule look like what poelstra has, with an added column for owner: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/ * Take what JonRob has on his page and start to fold that, using the new template into the schedule for f11: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/MarketingSchedule * Continue to discuss things on the list and brainstorm great ideas. Great, great work the last couple of weeks, lets keep it going. We have a lot of great energy, you guys make me proud to be involved in this! Jack Hi, I worked for around 4h this morning to clean up the wiki and renaming pages to the new wiki syntax: * Some pages were partially rewritten to clear up the content * Some pages were merged to avoid an unnecessary content fragmentation * Some pages were archived because they were too old or too clumsy. Every pertinent content was transfered to other pages. For the archived pages, I created an [[Category:Marketing archive]] category and moved them to the Archive: namespace. Youcan see them on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Marketing_archive I also had some problems, or pages I didn't update at the moment. these ones are still in my todo list: These pages seem useful but really need updating, any volunteers?: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Books https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations Is this really our job? Do we want to continue and put effort in this page? I'd like to archive it. Too much effort for too little. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserTestimonials Isn't this the art group's job? These pages are useful to us: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_Fedora_banners https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_posters https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_statistics_poster Conflicting or redundant items, we need to decide how to merge them...: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_press_material Our Press Contacts section https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SpreadingNews Merge https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_tasks in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule The most critical point are the conflicting items, I'll think of a good solution in the following days. Steven -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: This Weekend?
On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 13:40 +0100, Steven Moix wrote: Isn't this the art group's job? These pages are useful to us: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_Fedora_banners https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_posters https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_statistics_poster Ok, I archived the two first pages because they have the exact same ones (only better) in the Art group, I linked to them instead. I also updated the marketing statistics poster but there seems to be an issue with the wiki cache probably...when updating the svg file, a mix of the old and new file are displayed. Any clue on that? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Marketing_StatisticsPoster_stats-poster.svg Steven -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
This Weekend?
Hey Guys, Yesterdays meeting was great. Alot of positive energy and we have been accomplishing a lot lately. Here are a list of things that we can try to tackle over the weekend, for those of us who find some time: * Add your name to the meeting matrix so we can establish a new time for the meetings: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jack/Meeting_matrix * Continue to add things to the release calendar: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_schedule * It might be good for us to have this new schedule look like what poelstra has, with an added column for owner: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/ * Take what JonRob has on his page and start to fold that, using the new template into the schedule for f11: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jonrob/MarketingSchedule * Continue to discuss things on the list and brainstorm great ideas. Great, great work the last couple of weeks, lets keep it going. We have a lot of great energy, you guys make me proud to be involved in this! Jack -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
