[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2009-05-31 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #63 from Jason Tibbitts   2009-05-31 16:17:51 
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CVS done.

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2009-05-31 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #62 from Simon Wesp   2009-05-31 
10:37:39 EDT ---
okay, then me only

Package Change Request
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Package Name: tor
New Branches: EL-5
Owners: cassmodiah

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2009-05-28 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #61 from Jason Tibbitts   2009-05-28 19:44:41 
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Sorry, please correct my above comment as "I see no indication that Enrico
wishes to have anything to do with an EPEL branch of this package".  Obviously
he still maintains the package in the regular Fedora branches.

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2009-05-28 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #60 from Jason Tibbitts   2009-05-28 19:20:50 
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I found an ack from Enrico on IRC; I include it below:

[15:31]  ensc you recieved my mail?
[15:33]  ensc about tor
[15:35]  cassmodiah: no, did not saw such a mail
[15:35]  :-(
[15:36]  ensc http://fpaste.org/paste/13205
[15:39]  cassmodiah: ah... no, I do not plan to do EPEL packaging. 
"Working" with CVS SCM takes too much time... the three FEdora branches are
enough and I do not want two additional ones.
[15:39]  :-p
[15:40]  you need a co? for epel? I'm just a packager in training,
but cwickert and rsc always help me out if i have a problem :-)
[15:43]  ensc thx. can i have the el5?
[15:47]  cassmodiah: yes; but you will have to do the necessary steps to
add it to epel.  I will approve you then (when required)
[15:48]  ensc i thought i create a cvs request for el5 with me as
co :-p
[15:50]  cassmodiah: sorry; I do not have time for these steps
[15:51]  cassmodiah: you don't need any approval from the Fedora
maintainer for EPEL branching
[15:53]  rsc i know, but i think i have to bring the respect to the
maintainer and ask him/her first
[15:54]  cassmodiah: that's okay and good. I just wanted to note that.

However, I see no indication that Enrico wishes to have anything to do with
this package; the above would seem to indicate the contrary.  So I won't branch
with him as the owner without an explicit ack.

Please reset fedora-cvs to '?' if that ack is received or if another CVS
request is made without Enrico as an owner.

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2009-05-28 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #59 from Simon Wesp   2009-05-28 
16:59:53 EDT ---
Package Change Request
==
Package Name: tor
New Branches: EL-5
Owners: ensc cassmodiah

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-10-01 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-10-01 07:32 EST ---
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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-25 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-25 14:10 EST ---
MD5Sum
2d861e91e45a709acd921f26214319c1  tor-0.1.1.23-3.fc5x.src.rpm

Both issues raised before have been fixed.
 
APPROVED

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-24 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-25 02:42 EST ---
thx

* Mon Sep 25 2006 Enrico Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - 0.1.1.23-3
- removed '.have-lsb' and related logic in logrotate script; check for
  existence of the corresponding initscript instead of
- fixed bare '%' in changelog section

http://ensc.de/fedora/tor/




> * The gpg file is nice in that it alerts me to its presence on the
>   upstream download site but unless I have the signing gpg key in my
>   web of trust...

it's an habit from old fedora.us days. But I think a good one;
being in somebody's web-trust is not so difficultly as your comment
suggests. E.g. signer of tor is verified in my trustdb



> W: tor mixed-use-of-spaces-and-tabs

rpmlint bug; seems to be triggered by

| sed -i -e '...
| +'...

which happens due to indentation reasons


> W: tor-lsb hidden-file-or-dir /etc/tor/.have-lsb
> E: tor-lsb zero-length /etc/tor/.have-lsb
> W: tor-lsb non-conffile-in-etc /etc/tor/.have-lsb
>   - The .have-lsb file seems to be a marker identifying which set of init
> scripts is installed for things like the logrotate script.  So it's state
> of the system rather than configuration.  So not marking it %config makes
> sense.  But putting it in /var might be better than /etc.  Also, is there
> a reason to make it hidden?  If not, perhaps: /var/lib/tor/have-lsb would
> be better.

I removed the '.have-XXX' stuff completely. But '/var/lib/tor' would
have been a bad place because the have-XXX files are files used directly
by 'root' while '/var/lib/tor' is owned by 'toranon'. Nevertheless,
should not be an issue anymore.

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-24 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion 
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-25 01:13 EST ---
MD5Sum

a1c6efad2d042b7b54da114852687df4  tor-0.1.0.15-setgroups.patch
33ce7155f545c4d30cb846d7017cc6c2  tor-0.1.1.23.tar.gz
e1c9fd2bd8fb03c1f35028fbe7d19585  tor-0.1.1.23.tar.gz.asc
56c122286a73ed67308cf2864a246c7a  tor.logrotate
fa520d134658dc6919af24a1218b3676  tor.lsb
c83c1cb67453e47bf710f899b9e58976  tor.spec
8cef32dff6452c22873846adc6041d86  tor-0.1.1.23-2.fc5x.src.rpm

Cosmetic:
* The gpg file is nice in that it alerts me to its presence on the upstream
  download site but unless I have the signing gpg key in my web of trust I'm
  still going to have to run around the internet verifying that the gpg
  signature comes from upstream and that the key that made it probably belongs
  to the developers by which time I've downloaded the file from the internet
  myself.  So the case for including it is only so-so to me.  (Not a blocker,
  though.)

Rpmlint: *.src.rpm:
W: tor strange-permission tor.lsb 0775
  - Ignorable, this is the initscript for SysVinit.

E: tor hardcoded-library-path in /usr/lib/lsb/install_initd
E: tor hardcoded-library-path in /usr/lib/lsb/remove_initd
  - Ignorable, you're just calling chkconfig via the lsb standard names.

W: tor macro-in-%changelog doc
  - Line 221 has a bare %doc instead of %%doc.

W: tor mixed-use-of-spaces-and-tabs
  - Cosmetic.

Rpmlint: tor:
E: tor no-binary
  - Igorable as this is a meta-package.

Romlint: tor-core:
E: tor-core non-standard-gid /etc/tor/torrc toranon
E: tor-core non-standard-gid /var/log/tor toranon
E: tor-core non-standard-uid /var/lib/tor toranon
E: tor-core non-standard-gid /var/lib/tor toranon
  - toranon is fine so these are ignorable.

E: tor-core non-readable /etc/tor/torrc 0640
E: tor-core non-standard-dir-perm /var/log/tor 0730
E: tor-core non-standard-dir-perm /var/lib/tor 0700
  - Should be fine as well.

E: tor-core incoherent-logrotate-file /etc/logrotate.d/tor
  - rpmlint is confused because the package is named tor-core.  This is
ignorable.

Rpmlint: tor-lsb:
W: tor-lsb conffile-without-noreplace-flag /etc/rc.d/init.d/tor
E: tor-lsb executable-marked-as-config-file /etc/rc.d/init.d/tor
  - As explained earlier, this is normal for init scripts.

W: tor-lsb no-documentation
  - Documentation is in the main package.  This is ignorable.

E: tor-lsb non-standard-uid /var/run/tor toranon
E: tor-lsb non-standard-gid /var/run/tor toranon
  - This is fine.

W: tor-lsb hidden-file-or-dir /etc/tor/.have-lsb
E: tor-lsb zero-length /etc/tor/.have-lsb
W: tor-lsb non-conffile-in-etc /etc/tor/.have-lsb
  - The .have-lsb file seems to be a marker identifying which set of init
scripts is installed for things like the logrotate script.  So it's state
of the system rather than configuration.  So not marking it %config makes
sense.  But putting it in /var might be better than /etc.  Also, is there
a reason to make it hidden?  If not, perhaps: /var/lib/tor/have-lsb would
be better.

E: tor-lsb postin-without-chkconfig /etc/rc.d/init.d/tor
E: tor-lsb preun-without-chkconfig /etc/rc.d/init.d/tor
  - You're calling chkconfig by its lsb name, /usr/lib/lsb/install_initd
so this is ignorable.

W: tor-lsb incoherent-init-script-name tor
  - Once again, rpmlint is confused by the tor-lsb package name so this is
ignorable.

Good:
* Source and signature matches upstream
* Signature verified created by: #28988BF5: "Roger Dingledine <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>"
  and is a valid signature for the source.
* Package meets the Naming guidelines
* License, BSD, is OSI approved and matches what is documented in the spec.
* LICENSE is included in %files.
* BuildRequires are listed.
* Package has no locales; language files in documentation are marked with the
  appropriate languages.
* No shared libraries.
* Not relocatable.
* Package owns all the directories it creates.
* No duplicate files listed.
* Permissions properly set.
* Package has a proper %clean section.
* Macros used consistently.
* Package contains code.
* Documentation fits comfortably into the main package.
* Documentation does not affect package at runtime.
* No libraries.
* Not a GUI application.
* Package owns all files and directories that it creates and no extraneous
ones.* Scriptlets are sane.  They use fedora-usermgmt to create and delete a 
system
  uid/gid.  They install the tor init scripts but don't start the service.
* Builds in mock on x86_64.

Summary:
Fixing the macro in changelog and moving /etc/tor/.have-lsb to
/var/lib/tor/have_lsb are the only things I see to be fixed here.  If you're
okay with those changes I'll approve.

I've gone through all the previous comments as well and I think there's a bit
of tempes

[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-21 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-21 15:09 EST ---
Although tsocks issues were discussed some comments above already, I
will remove torify for now and add it back when tsocks exists.


* Thu Sep 21 2006 Enrico Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - 0.1.1.23-2
- simplified things yet more and removed tsocks/torify too
- build -lsb unconditionally

http://ensc.de/fedora/tor/


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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-21 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-21 14:45 EST ---
it might just be me but does the tsocks package require... tsocks?

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-21 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-21 14:38 EST ---
Ok, you won:

* Do Sep 21 2006 Enrico Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - 0.1.1.23-0.1
- simplified spec file and removed -initng and -minit stuff

http://ensc.de/fedora/tor/


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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-21 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-21 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-21 14:12 EST ---
> - We've never had a policy for systematically splitting packages

Exactly, there is no policy which says when to split a package. Until
then, it is packager's choice whether he splits or does not split.

My choice is, to split.


> - If we were to use your strict splitting policy on all Fedora packages,
>   the total number of packages in Fedora would be multiplied by 3 or
>   4. There's an inherent cost associated with increasing the number of
>   packages at the yum/rpm level.

Is this cost measured in KB, seconds, used lines on display or
bananas? Wouldn't they be outweighted by lesser dependencies and a
smaller system?

E.g. monolithic 'tor' might bring in initscripts, lvm2, udev... while
a splitted tor brings only tor-core. Splitting seems to reduce inherent
costs on yum/rpm level for me...

Splitting will perhaps increase needed blocksize (1-4K) in the repository
by one or two. The Used diskspace on the repository is cheap. Much cheaper
than the bloat introduced by unneeded dependencies.


> - Simplicity. Keep It Simple.

Ok, I can remove the initscript stuff completely and provide single
'tor-lsb' and 'tor-initng' packages. Would just add two more reviews
and people would complain that 'tor' main package does not have an
initscript.

As a compromise: I will keep -lsb in main package (as is) and remove
only the -minit and -initng part. Would you accept this?


> - Consistency to me is an important issue.

What would bring you consistency here? Using 'yum install tor' installs
consistently a 'tor' daemon with the appropriate initscripts; both with
the splitted and bloated variant.


> Consistency across other distributions for second. 

Package is for Fedora Extras; I do not request a review for Debian or
Mandriva.


> Not even 2M in size.

Size of package does not matter for dependencies issues. A 20 byte
perl script can bring in 50 MB of perl.


> - Your refusal to collaborate with reviewers is hurting Fedora.

Come on. Your refusal to accept views of packagers is hurting Fedora.


=


> 1) most, if not all other packages work like that.

In Germany we have a proverb: "millions of flies can not err: shit
tastes great".

When you are new it might be good idea to follow the masses. But at
some time you should turn on the brain and think yourself.


> 2) you are insisting on custom non-FE requirements

Ok, as written above, I will remove the -initng and -minit subpackage
when this helps.




I really do not want to continue this meta-discussion which consists
only of personal views and unproved statements like "entire community".


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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-21 11:16 EST ---
Re: comment 46 , Dennis said:

> So please, either
> - fold the package into one, so I can review it and let's get this over with
> - close this bug and withdraw your review to give someone else the opportunity
> to submit it.

Also consider the possibility that you (both) can agree to disagree, and remove
yourself as reviewer, and let someone else do it.

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-21 11:06 EST ---
> Reviewers want the one-package structure but do not give a single argument why
> this should be done or why multiple packages are bad.

No, you are refusing to hear them.

1) most, if not all other packages work like that. When people introduce initng,
if it will happen at all in the future, then that's a good time to redo this
package along with the hundreds of other packages

2) you are insisting on custom non-FE requirements

3) your requires are custom and don't take into account the regular FE base
install (that includes lvm2 etc, you call bloat)

4) spec file is overly complex (and a reason people are not approving it)

5) You are blowing up a simple package into many subpackages which is completely
unneccessary on a FC/FE machine (versus your development box where you need it)

I guess the FE new package submission needs a way to DISapprove a package so
these deadlocks do not occur.


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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-21 08:24 EST ---
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> - Your refusal to collaborate with reviewers is hurting Fedora. You're
> essentially blackballing a number of useful packages from entering Fedora, 
> since
>  you're holding a temporary monopoly on those particular package reviews.

That's the rule of the game. Maybe it could be changed, but I don't
think this example call for that change. It is not a refusal to 
cooperate, but a disagreement. I haven't looked deeply at this, but 
I tend to think that both approaches are valid (split and unsplit) 
each with pros and cons. The dependencies are better isolated with
Enrico approach while it is simpler and more generic unsplit.

> The fact that the entire community doens't support your splitting proposal, 
> and
> the fact that no other distros does it should *at least* give you a hint that
> something is wrong with your reasoning. You can't be serious if you think 
> you're
> right and everyone else is wrong.

That's a wrong assumption. The number isn't a proof of 
correctness. Especially when the people having looked at the 
issue is only a subset of the community.

And given the rules, Enrico needs only to find one reviewer 
who backs up his view. Anybody disagreeing might then throw the 
issue on the extras list, but currently 2 people may be against 
all the other packagers (not that I consider that to be a healthy 
situation).

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-21 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-21 07:11 EST ---
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> - Enrico, nobody is doubting your technical expertise, but I just think your
> reasoning doesn't fall within the scope of what Fedora is. Fedora is not a
> distro targetted at the embedded world, and mock seems to work pretty well is 
> it
> now, so I don't understand the quest for the smallest system possible.

Given that Fedora is heavily involved in the OLPC project, I suspect that
bloated dependency chains are likely to become more of an issue and get more
attention in the FC7 timeframe. Enrico is a little "ahead of the game" here but
I can see the approach of splitting packages up to fine-tune dependencies
becoming more common in the near future.

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-21 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-21 06:31 EST ---
> Reviewers want the one-package structure but do not give a single
> argument why this should be done or why multiple packages are bad.

Sure, let's give it a shot.

- We've never had a policy for systematically splitting packages strictly based
on a couple of fairly common packages. The policy is mostly based on
common-sense, i.e. when the subpackage has a real dependency bloat issue such as
bringing in the entire java stack, or gstreamer, or 25 perl packages.

- If we were to use your strict splitting policy on all Fedora packages, the
total number of packages in Fedora would be multiplied by 3 or 4. There's an
inherent cost associated with increasing the number of packages at the yum/rpm
level. Yum is improving all the time but it has enough work to do as it is.

- Simplicity. Keep It Simple. I'm looking at the tor tarball, and it's
dreadfully simple. No complicated dependencies, very small number of installed
files. Not even 2M in size. So the complexity you're introducing in the spec
file doesn't match the complexity of the upstream project.

- Consistency to me is an important issue. Consistency across Fedora for one. To
use more or less similar guidelines for packages split. Consistency across other
distributions for second. 

- Your refusal to collaborate with reviewers is hurting Fedora. You're
essentially blackballing a number of useful packages from entering Fedora, since
 you're holding a temporary monopoly on those particular package reviews.

- Enrico, nobody is doubting your technical expertise, but I just think your
reasoning doesn't fall within the scope of what Fedora is. Fedora is not a
distro targetted at the embedded world, and mock seems to work pretty well is it
now, so I don't understand the quest for the smallest system possible. The SysV
init is the default and only init system available right now, so isolating that
dependency right now doesn't make sense. Especially since we'll end up with a
subpackage containing a single 1.8 Kbytes shell script.

The fact that the entire community doens't support your splitting proposal, and
the fact that no other distros does it should *at least* give you a hint that
something is wrong with your reasoning. You can't be serious if you think you're
right and everyone else is wrong.

So please, either

- fold the package into one, so I can review it and let's get this over with

- close this bug and withdraw your review to give someone else the opportunity
to submit it.



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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-20 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-20 16:36 EST ---
Reviewers want the one-package structure but do not give a single argument why
this should be done or why multiple packages are bad.

I gave arguments why I chose the multi-package structure and nobody responded to
these arguments so far.


>  initng ... I still don't see it in the upcoming FC6

initng is an Extras candidate and can be added after FC6 release


> ... package that are considered 'always present', such as lvm2 ...

ok; this might be a response to my arguments. But I do not think that this is a
valid one. 'lvm2' is always present due to packaging bugs only (mixed
initscripts and core-functionality; bloated 'initscripts' package).

I can not fix the other packages because I would have to make this discussion at
lot of other packages. RH developers are usually ignorant regarding dependency
issues (e.g. look at aspell -> perl dep, sendmail -> cyrus-sasl, initscripts ->
low-level stuff) so this would be a lost battle at least in Core.

What I can do, is to package my packages properly and to separate
core-functionality and unneeded/big dependencies which is giving users with e.g.
chroots or non-SysV init a chance for a small system.


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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-20 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-20 15:10 EST ---
As for "requesting your will", not a single person but you is insisting on not
having tor included without different init methods. I only see people who either
want tor in and don't care, or people who are negative about the split. If we
would be doing a concensus here, it would be to have a single tor package in FE
now, and in the future when initng IS in FE to do the split.

Furthermore, you expected initng to get here soonbut reality is, I still don't
see it in the upcoming FC6 (as shown in 5.92). Are we going to wait having a tor
package until FC7?

It is you who does not want to depend on package that are considered 'always
present', such as lvm2, thereby adding non fedora-extra issues to this package.

Let's not drag the tsocks argument into this. One can trivially grab
http://dag.wieers.com/packages/tsocks/ and put in in FE. I'll gladly either
propose it or approve it if this tsocks issue is considered a tor blocker.

The sub package issue is the only real issue here. It caused this package to not
be approved on 2005-12-22 and 10 months later is still blocking it. That's why I
think this should be discussed. This package either needs to get approved with
the subpackage structure, or should be declined in favour of another packager. 

It should not remain in political limbo.



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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-20 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-20 13:46 EST ---
I do not think that it is deadlocked; 'initng' is probably going soon
into FE (AMD64 issues were main blocker and packager has AMD64 machine
now), so we have the multi-initsystem soon.

It would be good too, when reviewers do not insist on personal views
and *requesting* their will. Statements like "others are doing it so"
are valid comments, but without reasons they are just comments, and
not a blocker.


And yes; it makes sense to package tor without tsocks support. Even
when tsocks would be available, the corresponding tor-wrapper must be
in an own subpackage due to the additional dependencies.

The 'tsocks' wrapper might be a nice feature but not required so it
can be ommitted for now.


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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-20 13:44 EST ---
I would prefer having tsocks and torify in Extras.

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-20 13:19 EST ---
One more question: does it make sense to package tor without the torify wrapper
script ? (which requires tsocks, http://tsocks.sourceforge.net/, which we don't
have). Wouldn't it make sense to first submit tsocks in a seperate review, THEN
submit tor when that's available ?

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-20 13:00 EST ---
It seems this package is dead locked, and no one wants to approve this package
due to the separate sub packages. 

I submitted a package, which had the approval of the tor developers upstream,
but it was submitted a day after this package, so was resolved as duplicate.

This issue should be discussed on the fedora-extras list and resolved one way or
another. The result of the current deadlock is that there is no tor pacakge
whatsoever in Fedora, which is not right.

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-20 08:18 EST ---
I will merge packages when you show me that tor requires lvm2, udev or
e2fsprogs. Else, I see at me own systems that 'tor' works perfectly without them
so I assume they are optional.

The '-tsocks' subpackage won't be built be default; when you really want it, I
can remove any traces of it out of the spec-file.

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-20 07:53 EST ---
Sorry, closing the bug was accidental.


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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-20 07:52 EST ---
Hmm, this seems overkill, especially since lvm2, udev and e2fsprogs are pretty
basic packages. Tor is a pretty small and simple package to start with. All
other distributions ship it as a single package, including the RHEL43 packages
directly provided by upstream.

Also, torify requires tsocks which is not currently available. Were you planning
to submit tsocks as well ? If not, we need to close this bug with a WONTFIX or
DEFERRED.



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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-20 07:08 EST ---
no; the part which requires lvm2, udev or e2fsprogs will be always in another
(sub)package than the tor-server which works perfectly without them.

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-20 06:14 EST ---
I would like to see tor make it into Fedora Extras, and this being one of the
oldest review in bugzilla I would like to review this and get it over with.

Is there anyway you would agree to simplify your spec file, merge the core and
lsb subpackages into the main one and remove the other subpackages that aren't
directly relevent to Fedora (at this point). I would recommend a simpler
approach for now, to speed up the review, and add support for newer
init-replacement only when they make it into FE.


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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-09-10 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-10 14:50 EST ---
sorry, comments where made with the wrong package in mind... 

So, please remove the third paragraph

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-10 14:44 EST ---
> I guess I don't see the point in splitting what's certainly going to
> be required out to a subpackage.

ok; package was written when it seemed that 'initng' could replace
'initscripts' in near future. But current development and codebaes
shows that they are still in the experimenting phase (e.g. they try
crazy things like garbage collector in init).

But: I do not see a reason why 'distcc' needs lvm2, udev or e2fsprogs
(which would be the case when SysV initscript would be in the main
package). So I will keep core functionality and initscripts in separate
packages.

Things are special for this package because it supports startup with
SysV, inetd and ssh.


> Is there any existing daemon that has its initscripts in a subpackage?

ip-sentinel, dhcp-forwarder, milter-greylist


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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-08-29 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-08-30 02:08 EST ---
I took a look at this package, but I find myself questioning the point behind
the lsb, minit and initng subpackages.  We have a defined system in Fedora for
initscripts and such; I guess I don't see the point in splitting what's
certainly going to be required out to a subpackage.  Is there any existing
daemon that has its initscripts in a subpackage?

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-08-13 12:23 EST ---
* Sun Aug 13 2006 Enrico Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
0.1.1.23-0
- updated to 0.1.1.23

http://ensc.de/fedora/tor/

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-07-25 Thread bugzilla
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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-07-25 15:42 EST ---
Sorry for sitting on this review for so long... I am going to set this back to 
FE_NEW and see if someone else would like to move it forward. (I thought I did 
this a while back, but it fell through the cracks. Sorry). 

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-07-08 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion 
router)


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=175433





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-07-08 05:38 EST ---
regarding comment #22 (sorry, I forget it)
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> >- renamed the current main-package into a '-core' subpackage and
> >  created a new main-package which requires both the 'tor-core'
> >  subpackage and this with the current default init-method. This
> >  allows 'yum install tor' to work better; because yum is not very
> >  smart, the old packaging might install unwanted packages else.
> 
> Humm.. Can you elobrate on what situation would result in unwanted
> packages?

We had the following situation with the old packaging:

| Name: tor
| Requires: init(tor)
| 
| %package lsb
| Provides: init(tor) = lsb
| Requires: lsb
| 
| %package initng
| Provides: init(tor) = initng
| Requires: initng

Assuming you have a minimal system with the 'initng' initsystem but
without 'tor' packages. Now


When you install 'tor' now, two possibilities exist for the resulting
package combination :

* 'tor' + 'tor-initng'; this is the probably wanted result and will
  not bring unwanted packages in

* 'tor' + 'tor-lsb'; this will install 'tor-lsb' (which will not work
  with the initng system) with its huge dependency chain. This option
  is probably unwanted.


yum has a lousy depsolver and will use the second, unwanted option due
to the shortest-packagename-wins rule.


Therefore, I moved 'tor' into the -core subpackage and made 'tor' a
metapackage requiring 'tor-core' plus the subpackage for the current
initsystem. This might be tor-lsb for FC4-FC6 and tor-initng for FC7.

This eases package installation for people with standard installation
doing

| # yum install tor

and those with initng who can do

| # yum install tor-core tor-initng


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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-07-08 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion 
router)


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=175433





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-07-08 05:21 EST ---
* Sat Jul 08 2006 Enrico Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - 0.1.1.22-0
- updated to 0.1.1.22

http://ensc.de/fedora/tor/
http://ensc.de/fedora/tor/tor.spec
http://ensc.de/fedora/tor/tor-0.1.1.22-0.src.rpm

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-06-27 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion 
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=175433





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-06-28 02:11 EST ---
[lost in the last bugzilla crash]

* Tue Jun 13 2006 Enrico Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - 0.1.1.21-0
- updated to 0.1.1.21

http://ensc.de/fedora/tor/
http://ensc.de/fedora/tor/tor.spec
http://ensc.de/fedora/tor/tor-0.1.1.21-0.src.rpm

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-06-27 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion 
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=175433


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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-05-23 19:30 EST ---
* Wed May 24 2006 Enrico Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - 0.1.1.20-0
- updated to 0.1.1.20; adjusted %doc file-list
- added (optional) -tsocks subpackage
- use the more modern %bcond_with* for specifying optional features

---

'tsocks' requirement will be brought in by the -tsocks subpackage. Because
it is not available in FE, it is disabled by default.

fwiw; initng is making big steps to become part of FE so we will have
an alternative init system soon. When there are still objections
against the -lsb, -initng, ... subpackages, I will hold this package
until 'initng' is really available for FE and we have something to
discuss about.

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-06-12 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion 
router)


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=175433





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-05-23 19:30 EST ---
* Wed May 24 2006 Enrico Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - 0.1.1.20-0
- updated to 0.1.1.20; adjusted %doc file-list
- added (optional) -tsocks subpackage
- use the more modern %bcond_with* for specifying optional features

---

'tsocks' requirement will be brought in by the -tsocks subpackage. Because
it is not available in FE, it is disabled by default.

fwiw; initng is making big steps to become part of FE so we will have
an alternative init system soon. When there are still objections
against the -lsb, -initng, ... subpackages, I will hold this package
until 'initng' is really available for FE and we have something to
discuss about.

--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-06-13 02:05 EST ---
* Tue Jun 13 2006 Enrico Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - 0.1.1.21-0
- updated to 0.1.1.21

http://ensc.de/fedora/tor/
http://ensc.de/fedora/tor/tor.spec
http://ensc.de/fedora/tor/tor-0.1.1.21-0.src.rpm

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[Bug 175433] Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion router)

2006-05-23 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: Review Request: tor - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (The onion 
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=175433


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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-05-23 16:42 EST ---
After installating the RPM resulting from comment #21, "torify" will fail with
the following error message:

/usr/bin/torify: line 7: exec: tsocks: not found

You probably need a Requires: on tsocks.

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