[Bug 520505] Spurious dependency on perl(Test::More)
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520505 --- Comment #11 from Ville Skyttä 2009-09-07 16:13:55 EDT --- (In reply to comment #10) > is this all handwaving and FUD? Thank you for so kindly considering differing opinions. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
[Bug 520505] Spurious dependency on perl(Test::More)
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520505 --- Comment #12 from Chris Weyl 2009-09-07 16:47:41 EDT --- (In reply to comment #11) > (In reply to comment #10) > > is this all handwaving and FUD? > > Thank you for so kindly considering differing opinions. As I said, I'm more than open to different opinions and the merits of these approaches. You claimed I'd done "actual harm" to Fedora, effectively saying that your opinions are fact and empirically quantifiable. I welcome and seek feedback, as this isn't dicta but rather an evolving process; but simply slamming the practice, citing "actual harm", and then claiming that "..a guideline will be needed" isn't very constructive. How about, instead of bashing, we sit down and try to work out how to best do this -- that is, including the test suite in some form that satisfies both of us and benefits the community as a whole. I'd like to see the evidence of any concrete harm done specific to including the test suites in %_docdir, but I haven't seen any yet, despite repeated requests. If there is actually any harm caused here, I'd like to correct it. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
[Bug 520505] Spurious dependency on perl(Test::More)
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520505 --- Comment #13 from Ville Skyttä 2009-09-08 02:47:52 EDT --- (In reply to comment #12) > You claimed I'd done "actual harm" to Fedora No I didn't, please read comment 4 again (I guess that's what you're referring to). But let's not get caught up with this or other word games. > How about, instead of bashing, we sit down and try to work out how to best do > this I have plenty on my plate so no thanks for now. But on a brief look, FullyTestablePerl looks like a good idea that would pretty much eliminate my concerns. And Stepan's suggestion at end of comment 9 (+ some real thought from the packagers whether to ship the tests) would be an improvement in the meantime. > I'd like to see the evidence of any concrete harm done specific to including > the test suites in %_docdir, but I haven't seen any yet The reasons given in comment 8 demonstrate why I think this stuff is harmful. IMO it makes affected packages worse than they would be without those issues, which I think qualifies this practice as harmful. You don't agree with it, but the "evidence" is there, and one (very insignificant) manifestation of it is this very bug. Dismissing it as handwaving, FUD or nonexistent is a bit extreme. I think it's about time we let this bug rest in peace and continue the discussion in another more appropriate medium in case someone still has something to say. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
