Re: Fedora bug submitting process
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 10:40:43PM -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: > Hey, Jon and I had a great conversation (log below) about how confusing > submitting a bug to Fedora can be. There are a ton of great points here > about some of the useless/confusing fields that get presented. > > I'm not sure what options we have for improving this, whether it's > making a friendly, stripped down page for bug submission (which won't > help the situation with the bug pages themselves, unfortunately), or > maybe having a simplified, step-by-step bug submission form like GNOME > has (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/simple-bug-guide.cgi), but this area > definitely needs our attention - bug reporting is one of the easiest > ways to make the jump from Fedora users to Fedora contributors, which is > very important :-) Interestingly, this same topic came up tangentially at the Fedora Community brainstorming session. I like the idea of an interface that's easier for novices to navigate and file. I'm assuming that whatever we're talking about is hooked on the back end to the same data store, and presented in a friendlier, more digestible way. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Fedora bug submitting process
Hey, Jon and I had a great conversation (log below) about how confusing submitting a bug to Fedora can be. There are a ton of great points here about some of the useless/confusing fields that get presented. I'm not sure what options we have for improving this, whether it's making a friendly, stripped down page for bug submission (which won't help the situation with the bug pages themselves, unfortunately), or maybe having a simplified, step-by-step bug submission form like GNOME has (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/simple-bug-guide.cgi), but this area definitely needs our attention - bug reporting is one of the easiest ways to make the jump from Fedora users to Fedora contributors, which is very important :-) 01:21 < mccann> hey ricky 01:42 < ricky> mccann: Hey 01:42 < mccann> ricky: hey again :) 01:43 < mccann> ricky: is there anyone thinking about or working on making a separate bugzilla for fedora? 01:43 < ricky> No, thankfully :-) Running a bugzilla is *painful* 01:44 < ricky> Luckily, Red Hat has people dedicated to running their bugzilla, so we're very happy to be able to use that :-) 01:46 < mccann> well many of us are not so happy 01:46 < mccann> besides the reasons you gave it doesn't make much sense to share them 01:47 < ricky> We, it is very nice to share bugs with RHEL as well 01:47 < ricky> For example, a lot of times, security/other bugs that get reported against Fedora/RHEL apply to upstream/downstream as well 01:48 < mccann> linking bugs sure 01:49 < mccann> but fedora and rhel have dramatically different audiences 01:49 < mccann> and should be designed as such 01:49 < mccann> currently red hat bugzilla is completely inappropriate for fedora 01:49 < ricky> In what places? 01:49 < mccann> in everything 01:49 < mccann> the design 01:50 < mccann> it is just targeting the wrong audience 01:50 * ricky hates the slowness for example, but that's my biggest complaint 01:52 -!- daMaestro [n=...@fedora/damaestro] has joined #fedora-websites 01:55 < ricky> Are there specific pages that are particularly wrongly targetted? 01:56 < ricky> Like the individual bug pages, or the bug submission page? 01:56 < ricky> Oh, and my second biggest complaint is the poor integration with FAS, which we unfortunately have to live with :-( 01:57 < ricky> One thing that we can do with the new bug page is design a better interface to that 02:01 < mccann> the new bug workflow is horrific 02:01 < mccann> scares me 02:02 < mccann> bug yeah I think the FAS thing is a problem too 02:02 < mccann> we should be integrating with koji and stuff too right? 02:02 < ricky> Yeah. Of all the problems, the FAS one is the most hopeless one 02:02 < mccann> stuff that launchpad does maybe 02:02 < ricky> In what ways could it interface with koji? 02:02 < mccann> or the simplicity of kwestie 02:03 < ricky> And what are the main confusing parts in the new bug page? 02:03 < mccann> ricky: the whole new bug workflow is bad not just the page 02:03 * ricky is looking at it now :-) 02:03 < mccann> choosing Fedora vs. Red Hat is bad 02:03 * mccann pulls it up 02:03 < ricky> The first impression is that you have to click through two screens to get to the place that 90% of Fedora bugzilla users probably want to go 02:04 < mccann> first of all https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ is strange 02:04 < mccann> since I was looking for fedora and i got this 02:04 < mccann> makes me do a double take 02:04 < ricky> Yeah, the front page looks totally Red Hat/RHEL-centric 02:05 < mccann> if I manage to get past that... and many may not 02:05 < ricky> It might be good to have common links on the front page 02:05 < ricky> For example, one that goes directly to reporting bugs in RHEL, Fedora, and EPEL 02:05 < mccann> well for me I'd prefer to have a different account for my fedora bugs and my rhel bugs 02:05 < mccann> but i'll be specific about the new bug workflow for now 02:05 < mccann> i clicked new 02:06 < ricky> Darn, mizmo isn't around - she'd be the first person I'd want to be here for a discussion like this :-) 02:06 < mccann> what does "All: Show all products" mean? 02:06 < ricky> Wow, I had never clicked that link before 02:06 < mccann> its the first one :) 02:06 < ricky> I wasn't aware that jboss stuff was here as well 02:06 < mccann> and other? wtf 02:07 < mccann> i want fedora 02:07 < mccann> ok I click Fedora (duh) 02:07 < mccann> ok now what is all this stuff 02:07 < ricky> OK, so that's annoying/useless, but hopefully not too confusing yet 02:07 < mccann> i have another list 02:07 < ricky> Yeah - if anything, I'd emphasize Fedora/EPEL more 02:07 < mccann> annoying is worse than confusing 02:07 < ricky> I'd rename "Fedora EPEL" to "EPEL" to reduce confusion there 02:07 < mccann> point is that at every turn people will flee 02:08 < ricky> Fedora Hosted Projects needs to die 02:08 < ricky> I don't even know what Fedora Management Console is 02:08 < mccann> creating a bug MUST be one click from the home screen 02:08 < ricky> And do
Re: Setting Up Red Hat Fedora Linux 3
Firstly, the correct name is Fedora Core 3, but at least I knew what you meant. Also, that release hit its end of life very long ago. If you need help installing Fedora for your first time, I suggest you check out http://docs.fedoraproject.org/installation-quick-start-guide/f11/en-US/html/Requirements.html, which will help you installing the latest version of Fedora, Fedora 11, which is much easier to set up than Fedora Core 3. I can't even find the documentation for Fedora Core 3 anymore. For future reference, email your questions to fedora-l...@redhat.com, as webmas...@fedoraproject.org is for reporting bugs in our website, not for general help. Thanks, Darren L. VanBuren = http://oks.verymad.net/ On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 02:47, Tom Johnson wrote: > > Sir, > I tried to use the other e-mail in the Fedora but I can't make anything work > when setting up. I am a Amateur Radio Operator and I would basically like to > use the Fedora System to work Amateurs all over the world. I was doing this > on Microsoft but I just got sick and tired of the whole operation of > Microsoft. This system is super fast and I would like to learn how to use it > and I just can't seem to get it started. I put the system in the computer and > I thought everything was going to work, but I can't extract anything from a > download to get the software program to work. I am downloading Linux type > programs so there wouldn't be any problem but I have hit a brick wall. Can > you help me get this operation started so I can use the Fedora system? This > operating system is the"Red Hat Fedora Linux 3". I hope to hear from you > soon. Thank you very much and have a good day. > > Thomas L. Johnson > 803 Twp. Rd. 202 > Bloomingdale, Ohio 43910 > Phone:740-944-1005 > Amateur Call: KB8FYG > > > > > -- > Fedora-websites-list mailing list > Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list > -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Setting Up Red Hat Fedora Linux 3
Sir, I tried to use the other e-mail in the Fedora but I can't make anything work when setting up. I am a Amateur Radio Operator and I would basically like to use the Fedora System to work Amateurs all over the world. I was doing this on Microsoft but I just got sick and tired of the whole operation of Microsoft. This system is super fast and I would like to learn how to use it and I just can't seem to get it started. I put the system in the computer and I thought everything was going to work, but I can't extract anything from a download to get the software program to work. I am downloading Linux type programs so there wouldn't be any problem but I have hit a brick wall. Can you help me get this operation started so I can use the Fedora system? This operating system is the"Red Hat Fedora Linux 3". I hope to hear from you soon. Thank you very much and have a good day. Thomas L. Johnson 803 Twp. Rd. 202 Bloomingdale, Ohio 43910 Phone:740-944-1005 Amateur Call: KB8FYG -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Please Help for queries
On 08/03/2009 12:35 AM, Kishor Kshirsagar wrote: > Resp Sir > > My Self Kishor Kshirsagar... I am from India , Maharashtra state . I > just passed out my engineering graduation but i want to make carrier in > open source systems and specially in operating system development > but i don't understand how to start for that i asked to same > question to many peoples but i got always same answer that , there is no > good carrier in open source organization ... Post to fedora-india list for such discussions https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india Webmaster id is only for feedback on the Fedora website itself. Rahul -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
