Re: [Fedora-xen] F10 crystal ball gazing
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 12:44:29PM +0100, Andy Burns wrote: 2008/8/17 Pasi Kärkkäinen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It looks like Xen 3.3.0 final might be released in a couple of days.. assuming everything goes fine with rc5. Yes, I've been looking at the mercurial tree, but haven't checked a version out, would be easier if there were tarballs available for the -rc versions, I'll probably try building it on a CentOS 5.2 host, unfortunately I'm down to only one Fedora Xen host now. Just a heads up.. Xen 3.3.0 final has been released! -- Pasi -- Fedora-xen mailing list Fedora-xen@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-xen
Re: [Fedora-xen] F10 crystal ball gazing
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 05:45:51PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 10:24:31PM +0100, Andy Burns wrote: Given that xen is entering feature freeze for updated release ~August is it too early to ask what the *hopes* are for xen in fedora10? xen 3.3.0 (or late rc) or is this still likely to be 3.2.1 or 3.2.2? Even though we don't have any Dom0 I'll update it to 3.3.0 for the xen RPM and hypervisor. This will at least let people build their own legacy Xen kernel from upstream's 2.6.18 xen kernel if they're lucky enough to have hardware which works with it. It looks like Xen 3.3.0 final might be released in a couple of days.. assuming everything goes fine with rc5. http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-devel/2008-08/msg00644.html http://xenbits.xensource.com/xen-unstable.hg -- Pasi -- Fedora-xen mailing list Fedora-xen@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-xen
Re: [Fedora-xen] F10 crystal ball gazing
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 15:36 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 11:39:27AM +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 22:24 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: Given that xen is entering feature freeze for updated release ~August is it too early to ask what the *hopes* are for xen in fedora10? There has been very little progress on the Dom0 pv_ops work of late, so it's getting harder to imagine it being in shape for Fedora 10. Still hope, for sure, but getting slimmer. xen 3.3.0 (or late rc) or is this still likely to be 3.2.1 or 3.2.2? Not really important if there's no Dom0 kernel. If there is, we'll definitely update. kernel 2.6.27(or late rc) with pv_ops for 32 and 64 bit, dom0 and domU? I would expect our DomU kernel to continue tracking the bare-metal kernel versions - so, yeah, 2.6.27 probably. Jeremy Fitzhardinge sounds fairly confident of having much of x86_64 DomU ready for the 2.6.27 merge window. If that happens, our patch set would be quite small and I'd imagine we'd enable CONFIG_XEN in the bare-metal kernel and drop the kernel-xen package. At the moment it looks like x86_64 xen domU patches are going in for 2.6.27. http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/x86/linux-2.6-tip.git;a=summary and http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenParavirtOps Yep, and that's excellent progress. As soon as the stock rawhide kernel makes its first move to 2.6.27, I plan to build a new kernel-xen based on that. What we're discussing currently, though, is whether at that point we should immediately progress with the plan of merging kernel-xen back into the stock kernel so that you boot the same pv_ops enabled kernel for Xen DomU and bare-metal. If it looks like the Dom0 work is making progress, we might hold off on doing that until Dom0 is upstream. Personally, I can't see Dom0 being in shape for F10 and so we should proceed with completing the DomU work. Cheers, Mark. -- Fedora-xen mailing list Fedora-xen@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-xen
Re: [Fedora-xen] F10 crystal ball gazing
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 05:45:51PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 10:24:31PM +0100, Andy Burns wrote: Given that xen is entering feature freeze for updated release ~August is it too early to ask what the *hopes* are for xen in fedora10? xen 3.3.0 (or late rc) or is this still likely to be 3.2.1 or 3.2.2? Even though we don't have any Dom0 I'll update it to 3.3.0 for the xen RPM and hypervisor. This will at least let people build their own legacy Xen kernel from upstream's 2.6.18 xen kernel if they're lucky enough to have hardware which works with it. If pv_ops dom0 won't be ready for F10, would it be possible to ship xensource 2.6.18 based dom0 kernel? At least that's supported upstream.. Would be better than nothing.. Is there something with pv_ops dom0 work that could be done to help? What's the status atm? -- Pasi -- Fedora-xen mailing list Fedora-xen@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-xen
Re: [Fedora-xen] F10 crystal ball gazing
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:07:15AM +0300, Pasi K?rkk?inen wrote: On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 05:45:51PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 10:24:31PM +0100, Andy Burns wrote: Given that xen is entering feature freeze for updated release ~August is it too early to ask what the *hopes* are for xen in fedora10? xen 3.3.0 (or late rc) or is this still likely to be 3.2.1 or 3.2.2? Even though we don't have any Dom0 I'll update it to 3.3.0 for the xen RPM and hypervisor. This will at least let people build their own legacy Xen kernel from upstream's 2.6.18 xen kernel if they're lucky enough to have hardware which works with it. If pv_ops dom0 won't be ready for F10, would it be possible to ship xensource 2.6.18 based dom0 kernel? At least that's supported upstream.. Would be better than nothing.. No, it is worse than nothing. It is incompatible with a large number of userspace packages which expect interfaces/ABIs from newer kernel versions and thus uttery unsupportable. Daniel -- |: Red Hat, Engineering, London -o- http://people.redhat.com/berrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org -o- http://ovirt.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: GnuPG: 7D3B9505 -o- F3C9 553F A1DA 4AC2 5648 23C1 B3DF F742 7D3B 9505 :| -- Fedora-xen mailing list Fedora-xen@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-xen
Re: [Fedora-xen] F10 crystal ball gazing
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:07:15AM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 05:45:51PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 10:24:31PM +0100, Andy Burns wrote: Given that xen is entering feature freeze for updated release ~August is it too early to ask what the *hopes* are for xen in fedora10? xen 3.3.0 (or late rc) or is this still likely to be 3.2.1 or 3.2.2? Even though we don't have any Dom0 I'll update it to 3.3.0 for the xen RPM and hypervisor. This will at least let people build their own legacy Xen kernel from upstream's 2.6.18 xen kernel if they're lucky enough to have hardware which works with it. If pv_ops dom0 won't be ready for F10, would it be possible to ship xensource 2.6.18 based dom0 kernel? At least that's supported upstream.. Would be better than nothing.. Or maybe rhel5 kernel? I understand maintaining multiple kernels is a pain, but then again rhel5 (and xensource 2.6.18 xen) kernels are maintained anyway upstream.. -- Pasi -- Fedora-xen mailing list Fedora-xen@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-xen
Re: [Fedora-xen] F10 crystal ball gazing
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:26:12AM +0300, Pasi K?rkk?inen wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:07:15AM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 05:45:51PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 10:24:31PM +0100, Andy Burns wrote: Given that xen is entering feature freeze for updated release ~August is it too early to ask what the *hopes* are for xen in fedora10? xen 3.3.0 (or late rc) or is this still likely to be 3.2.1 or 3.2.2? Even though we don't have any Dom0 I'll update it to 3.3.0 for the xen RPM and hypervisor. This will at least let people build their own legacy Xen kernel from upstream's 2.6.18 xen kernel if they're lucky enough to have hardware which works with it. If pv_ops dom0 won't be ready for F10, would it be possible to ship xensource 2.6.18 based dom0 kernel? At least that's supported upstream.. Would be better than nothing.. Or maybe rhel5 kernel? No, this is no better - it is still 2.6.18 based which is unsupportable when Fedora is in 2.6.26 I understand maintaining multiple kernels is a pain, but then again rhel5 (and xensource 2.6.18 xen) kernels are maintained anyway upstream.. It is not just multiple kernels - it is the age of the kernels - a kernel which is 8 versions behind the non-Xen kernel is not supportable. The situation is either Dom0 pv_ops, or no Dom0 at all. Those are the only two viable options that exist. We can't continue to waste effort on something as old as 2.6.18 Daniel -- |: Red Hat, Engineering, London -o- http://people.redhat.com/berrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org -o- http://ovirt.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: GnuPG: 7D3B9505 -o- F3C9 553F A1DA 4AC2 5648 23C1 B3DF F742 7D3B 9505 :| -- Fedora-xen mailing list Fedora-xen@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-xen
Re: [Fedora-xen] F10 crystal ball gazing
Pasi Kärkkäinen schrieb: Hmm.. I thought there was 2 fulltime developers at redhat/fedora working with dom0 stuff.. mentioned in some other mail on this list. Is there some bigger problem with dom0 work? As I understand it the whole paravirt_ops/Dom0 is pretty much a complete rewrite of Xen's kernel part given the old 2.6.18 base and all the things to work out with paravirt_ops (even without all the 'special' features like PCI pass through etc). Furthermore I guess that there is a lot of ground work to evolve the paravirt_ops interfaces etc so that the new port does not need to much kernel patching. Given all the circumstances, two full-time developers aren't that many and getting something in the mainline kernel is never easy... fs smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Fedora-xen mailing list Fedora-xen@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-xen
