FeLV transmission by bite
Hi Everyone! I haven't been on list in a while, but I have some real worries I need to share. In case anyone needs reminding, we have Cotton, who is a young orange boy, under a year old FeLV+ who we adopted around 5 months ago or so, and 3 established older cats in our family, Cricket, Miss and Myca. Initially when Cotton first came he was stalked and terrorized by Cricket, who would slap at him and hiss and basically do a lot of posturing and chasing, but there was very little contact between them. Now that Cotton is older and a little bigger, he has turned into the aggressor, and he is the one who stalks Cricket and when he catches her by suprise, he bites her. Cotton and Cricket are both small cats, but he is much stronger than she is, and she is a little bit overwt, and much softer than he is. I'm so worried about her because I know he hurts her, and he's been relentless the last few days for some reason, and she has been hiding, and she seems a bit depressed. At night I try and massage her while she lays on my chest kneading my chin. It's our bonding time. But last night she seemed restless, and I think some of the places I touched were sore. She has scabs on her where he's bitten her, but she has also put a few scratches on Cotton. He's got an ugly but clean one on his shoulder. Usually we break up the fights before they get too nasty by getting the squirt bottle, but I fear that not only will one of them inflict a nasty wound that might get infected, I worry that Cricket's stress level and her constant exposure to his saliva might lead to the transmission of the FeLV. She was weakly positive on her last ELISA, but the vet said possibly due to exposure, and i am to take her back in for another test this weekend. If she tests positive again, I will have them draw an IFA to confirm. The other two older cats were both negative, and received a booster. I check everyone over very carefully for new wounds, because I have dealt with an abscessed wound before, and know they can become a real problem in a short time. Needless to say Cotton is doing quite well, he is a little devil (in the most affectionate sense of the word). His energy level is great, he eats well, poops well, plays long and hard and bites and scratches his way through everyone in his way. I believe he has lacked the proper socialization, as he has been slow to trust and is slow learning his limits in the household. He's constantly testing his limits. We have tried to teach him manners, but he is stubborn and wily. It's been so long since we have had a kitten, I have a rather relaxed, very polite bunch (they sit in line waiting for another to finish at the food bowl or water), who have worked out their differences long ago. I try to make sure Cricket has a safe place where she can go, which is my bedroom. Cotton is not allowed in there. We shoo him out whenever he goes in there. Same for Cotton, when he goes to my son's room for quiet, the other cats are discouraged from bothering him. At night he is not allowed free roam, and is confined in there to sleep with my son. I have also used some Feliway spray, which did help. I am continuing to use it. Any suggestions or thoughts on how I can deal with this? It's hard to be mad at Cotton, since he is so well, and he's still very much a kitten, but I wonder if neutering might help if he's well enough? I feel so bad for my poor little sweetpea, Cricket. I don't want her to live in fear, and not safe in her own home. She is already the littlest, and has had to work hard to earn her current status in the household. Cotton has upset the pecking order. Please advise. Sandy
Re: Thoughts for Ewok
Jen, Thinking of you both. Hang in there. Ewok may still have more time. It sounds like you got a lot of good suggestions. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All...Well, it appears we've exhausted all of our possibilities with thedifferent chemo drugs...the tumor in his belly is winning out, so I'mguessing it's only a matter of days, now... :( We've gone to strongersteriods in the hopes that I can give him a few goods days to make upfor the crappy weekend he just had...it just sucks as he's so healthy inevery other way, I just can't believe we're running out ofoptions...Please keep my little sweetie boy in your thoughts...Jen"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge
Re: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service
Del, I'm so sorry about Isaiah. Things happen for a reason and you did what you could. Please don't beat yourself up about this. :( t"Del H. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please add Isaiah, he passed away last Wednesday, 1/4. He began coming to my house for food and on 13 December (after Shiloh, FeLV+ left for sanctuary because I'm out of isolation space) he moved in under the house and became very friendly. He was solid gray, maybe a year+ old, a sweet fella. I intended to have him neutered last week but he stopped showing up to eat. I found him under the house Thursday morning, he had probably died the day before, don't know of what, we buried him in the back yard. An opossum or something had snacked on him after he had died as there was no blood there, quite gruesome. I'm very upset about it and it's my fault, I should have looked for him earlier and maybe could have saved him. Thanks, Del
RE: Great news about my court case
I admire how you stand up for yourself! I am usually 'afraid' of the 'officials' except when it comes to protecting my animals. tHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Sorry, at the last paragraph.. I meant to say I was right an every body else was wrong.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, January 09, 2006 4:58 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Great news about my court case Tonya one of the things I learned from this experience, no one knows everything --- I mean even the top of animal care center person did not know their own ordinance and even an attorney does not know everything --- and but they act like they do.. and they try to use the power that they think they do to intimate you sometimes, all it takes is for us to research, read the law and find out what they can do and they cannot --- When they threatened me to take my cats away, I was not sure if they could or not and no one really knew for sure so I read everything that I could read, state constitution, city charter, city ordinance, and find out if there is anywhere in the law that they can and there was nothing in the law that states that they could in my situation no animals are in danger and they are well taken care of and they just cannot take away my animals based on the violation of the numbers that I had ---and I felt empowered to find out but the authority will tell you that they can.. but legally they cannot There was a similar situation where they Immigration office in SF made a mistake on my residence status at the time of entry about 20 years ago,, in stead of them giving me a permanent green card, they gave me a conditional green card which would expire in two years --- and its sort of too complicated to explain, but after reading all the case law, and immigration law, I found out that I should have gotten the permanent status --- which wouldnt have been a big deal if I did not get divorced, but I did .. so all of sudden, I was told that I need to leave the country and I kept fighting with no lawyer.. but kept reading and believed that I was right I went to Immigration office in SF, and every person I spoke with at the window of Immigration office told me that I was wrong and need to be deported.. and finally got into the top of the immigration office at SF, and he acknowledged that I was wrong and every body was wrong and misunderstood the law and finally a day before I was supposed to be deported, I finally got my permanent green card --- from the time one.. I decided not to give too much credit on government official about them knowing about what they are doing and the same applied here sort of.. if you know what I mean.. so everyone, dont underestimate your power and dont let them intimidate you.. you dont necessary have to do what they tell you to do .. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:19 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Great news about my court case Hooray for Merry and Michelle too! I Michelle don't try to downplay your help. Just having your ideas as an attorney have helped Hideyo hang in there. It sounds like finding Merry was a Godsend. I hope all of this pans out. It's sad (no offense intended to any attorneys or those in enforcement). but it IS sad how easily 'regular' people can be treated in these situations. Most people are very rightly afraid of going to jail and afraid of the large attorney fees that add up so quickly. It's certainly not one of America's 'best' systems, but then people in other countries have no 'system' at all. It's easy to say I would fight if this happened to me. But if it came to criminal charges that might land me in jail, or court/attorney costs that might cause me to lose my home anyway. I don't know what I'd do. I admire anyone who will stand up for what is right in these kinds of situations!! Go Hideyo! tonyaNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:HOORAY for Merry too!! And of course let's not forget your part in all this. Michelle, (don't argue with me), please take a bow.N[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Merry, Hideyo's attorney, called me yesterday to tell me what her hopes are for the case (I had referred Hideyo to her) and said she was so glad that I referred Hideyo to her because she had seen several people harrassed by animal control in Albuquerque into giving up their cats and she could not get those people to fight back because they were so intimidated by the criminal charges, etc. She was so glad to meet Hideyo and see someone willing to stand up to animal control, and to be able to help her get rid of the bad ordinance (still not final, but she seems very hopeful). She is so impressed by how feisty, energetic, and smart Hideyo is, and so happy to be working with
Re: Thoughts for Ewok--Michelle
Jen, is that picture of him from today? he does not look that bad. Yes, if he only got dex, you should keep him on pred. But I really, really think that if he only got dex you should go back tomorrow and get him a depo shot too, or ask them to give it to you to give to him sub-q. It is stronger than pred and lasts longer, and that way you do not need to bother him with pills either. The vet may say you can only give that once a month, but when they are terminal, if they seem to need it, you can give it a lot more frequently if necessary. You can give him the depo and then supplement with dex when he seems to feel bad again, and then give him another depo in a week or two. I would not be afraid at this point to give a combo dex and depo every few days if he seems really bad, either. Though I might try to space out the depo as much as possible. My thoughts are with you, Michelle
Re: Thoughts for Ewok--Michelle-- Hideyo's story
Hideyp-- what does your sister feed and give her dog? Michelle In a message dated 1/9/2006 7:08:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jen - another important thing to remember is that -- don't let the disease itself you intimidate you --- I just have to tell you this because I know some amazing story --- I have a sister in Japan whose dog has had lymposarcama (?) for the past 10 years, and the vet had given her only six months to live, which was 10 years ago,,, and she is still with us, happily - she outlived all of her sisters and brothers.. I consider it to be a miracle,, and she does have cancer all over her body, but she is living happily and this story always make me think of focusing on the presence and not let any name of the disease intimate us too much!
Re: Thoughts for Ewok
Wow, 40 mg/day of pred is a huge amount for a cat. How big was City Kitty? That is really good to know-- no vet I know would ever prescribe that much, but I always seem to have extra pred here from so many animals being on it, if it came down to it I would increase it myself. Please let me know his weight, and I'm glad you posted that. Michelle In a message dated 1/9/2006 7:06:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jen, I am so sorry to hear that little Ewok isn't doing well...I would have to agree with Michelle on this one...My City Kitty that had lymphoma was on 40 mg. of pred a day for the rest of her life...She did have chemo for 6 months with great response...but it got to a point that we had to stop it because of her blood counts going too low..I can't remember exactly why...But we did continue the pred..20mg twice a day..I would for sure try the dex, too...It will perk them up more rapidly...and not to worry about the diabetes at this point..I have used winstrol, too...for appetite stimulant... The essiac tea is very good...My Mom had lymphoma and she drank it every day...2 times...Shark cartliage shrinks tumors as well...We used the brand benefinYou could crush some up for Ewok, but I don't really know how long it takes to work.. I wish you the best of luck with him... I would try the dex though.. Our prayers are with you, Kerry and Bandy
RE: RE: Thoughts for Ewok--Hideyo
Here we go, Jen! That's the spirit! I know it's not easy not to think of it ... but here's something I read from Dr. Goldstein's book about cancer --- see in traditional medicine, they think of cancer is a really bad guy, being the cause of the problem of the illness and try to remove it.. but in an alternative medicine, they don't' try to remove the cancer, as the cancer is just a symptom of the problem - and can't remember the exactly what he said.. but an alternative medicine approach sort of nurtures the cancer simply as a part of her body... I know it's sort of weird.. but it's sort of like.. loving and nurturing cancer is a part of loving her -- asking the cancer to shrink... my sister constantly talks to her dog and the cancers in her body, not to give her (her dog) a hard time..try to get along well in her body.. does it make sense?- maybe not...huh? Regardless of the situation with cancer, I will be thinking of Ewok and praying that he will continue to feel better! And please think that it's very possible - if it happened to my sister's dog, I don't see why not for Ewok!! (what a great name, by the way, Jenn) - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: RE: Thoughts for Ewok--Hideyo Thank you, Hideyo, you are right! I have let the big "C" word get me down on more than one occasion...although my Dad is actually a cancer survivor (lung cancer), I lost a good friend about a year ago (human) to lymphoma (she was only 25 years old). But your optimism is so catchy, Hideyo! I admire the passion you put into everything you do...I won't give up hope, either! :) And congratulations on your court proceedings! I've been doing the best I can to keep up...and it sounds like a big win could be in your future! I'm pulling for you here in Texas! Thanks, again! Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, January 9, 2006 6:07 pm Subject: RE: Thoughts for Ewok--Michelle > Jen - another important thing to remember is that -- don't let the > disease itself you intimidate you --- I just have to tell you this > because I know some amazing story --- I have a sister in Japan > whose dog has had lymposarcama (?) for the past 10 years, and the > vet had given her only six months to live, which was 10 years > ago,,, and she is still with us, happily - she outlived all of her > sisters and brothers.. I consider it to be a miracle,, and she does > have cancer all over her body, but she is living happily and > this story always make me think of focusing on the presence and not > let any name of the disease intimate us too much! > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:04 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: Thoughts for Ewok--Michelle > > Agreed! He's home now and already feeling much better (even ate some > deli turkey!). I'll have to check the receipt, but I think he only > gotdex today...so I'm tempted to give him pred tonight? I gave him > somefish oil (heard that Omega 3 helps slow growth in some tumors) > and will > basically look into the things that I was afraid to give him while he > was on chemo...but I also believe that steriods are our best bet for > quality time from here on out... > > I can't thank you enough for all of your advice, Michelle...you and > themembers of the list have been a huge comfort for me when I feel > absolutely lost and alone in all of this...I know how hard it is to > readabout the failing health of any of our fur-kids...it's been > unbearablefor me at times...but I just wanted to tell you how much > I appreciate > your thoughts and prayers... > > I'll keep you guys updated! Right now, Ewok is scarfing down Fancy > Feast... :) > > Jen > > > "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be > unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the > world; You > become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de > Saint-Exupéry > > "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know > each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and > whatyou do not know you will fear. What one
Re: RE: Thoughts for Ewok--Hideyo
Thank you, Hideyo, you are right! I have let the big "C" word get me down on more than one occasion...although my Dad is actually a cancer survivor (lung cancer), I lost a good friend about a year ago (human) to lymphoma (she was only 25 years old). But your optimism is so catchy, Hideyo! I admire the passion you put into everything you do...I won't give up hope, either! :) And congratulations on your court proceedings! I've been doing the best I can to keep up...and it sounds like a big win could be in your future! I'm pulling for you here in Texas! Thanks, again! Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, January 9, 2006 6:07 pm Subject: RE: Thoughts for Ewok--Michelle > Jen - another important thing to remember is that -- don't let the > disease itself you intimidate you --- I just have to tell you this > because I know some amazing story --- I have a sister in Japan > whose dog has had lymposarcama (?) for the past 10 years, and the > vet had given her only six months to live, which was 10 years > ago,,, and she is still with us, happily - she outlived all of her > sisters and brothers.. I consider it to be a miracle,, and she does > have cancer all over her body, but she is living happily and > this story always make me think of focusing on the presence and not > let any name of the disease intimate us too much! > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:04 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: Thoughts for Ewok--Michelle > > Agreed! He's home now and already feeling much better (even ate some > deli turkey!). I'll have to check the receipt, but I think he only > gotdex today...so I'm tempted to give him pred tonight? I gave him > somefish oil (heard that Omega 3 helps slow growth in some tumors) > and will > basically look into the things that I was afraid to give him while he > was on chemo...but I also believe that steriods are our best bet for > quality time from here on out... > > I can't thank you enough for all of your advice, Michelle...you and > themembers of the list have been a huge comfort for me when I feel > absolutely lost and alone in all of this...I know how hard it is to > readabout the failing health of any of our fur-kids...it's been > unbearablefor me at times...but I just wanted to tell you how much > I appreciate > your thoughts and prayers... > > I'll keep you guys updated! Right now, Ewok is scarfing down Fancy > Feast... :) > > Jen > > > "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be > unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the > world; You > become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de > Saint-Exupéry > > "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know > each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and > whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- > Chief Dan > George > > > >
RE: Great news about my court case
Sorry, at the last paragraph.. I meant to say “I was right an every body else was wrong”.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 4:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Great news about my court case Tonya – one of the things I learned from this experience, no one knows everything --- I mean even the top of animal care center person did not know their own ordinance and even an attorney does not know everything --- and but they act like they do.. and they try to use the power that they think they do to intimate you sometimes, all it takes is for us to research, read the law and find out what they can do and they cannot --- When they threatened me to take my cats away, I was not sure if they could or not and no one really knew for sure –so I read everything that I could read, state constitution, city charter, city ordinance, and find out if there is anywhere in the law that they can and there was nothing in the law that states that they could in my situation – no animals are in danger and they are well taken care of … and they just cannot take away my animals based on the violation of the numbers that I had ---and I felt empowered to find out – but the authority will tell you that they can.. but legally they cannot – There was a similar situation where they Immigration office in SF made a mistake on my residence status at the time of entry about 20 years ago,, in stead of them giving me a permanent green card, they gave me a conditional green card which would expire in two years --- and it’s sort of too complicated to explain, but after reading all the case law, and immigration law, I found out that I should have gotten the permanent status --- which wouldn’t have been a big deal if I did not get divorced, but I did .. so all of sudden, I was told that I need to leave the country – and I kept fighting with no lawyer.. but kept reading and believed that I was right – I went to Immigration office in SF, and every person I spoke with at the window of Immigration office told me that I was wrong and need to be deported.. and finally got into the top of the immigration office at SF, and he acknowledged that I was wrong and every body was wrong and misunderstood the law – and finally a day before I was supposed to be deported, I finally got my permanent green card --- from the time one.. I decided not to give too much credit on government official about them knowing about what they are doing … and the same applied here sort of.. if you know what I mean.. so everyone, don’t underestimate your power and don’t let them intimidate you.. you don’t necessary have to do what they tell you to do….. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Great news about my court case Hooray for Merry and Michelle too! I Michelle don't try to downplay your help. Just having your ideas as an attorney have helped Hideyo hang in there. It sounds like finding Merry was a Godsend. I hope all of this pans out. It's sad (no offense intended to any attorneys or those in enforcement). but it IS sad how easily 'regular' people can be treated in these situations. Most people are very rightly afraid of going to jail and afraid of the large attorney fees that add up so quickly. It's certainly not one of America's 'best' systems, but then people in other countries have no 'system' at all. It's easy to say I would fight if this happened to me. But if it came to criminal charges that might land me in jail, or court/attorney costs that might cause me to lose my home anyway. I don't know what I'd do. I admire anyone who will stand up for what is right in these kinds of situations!! Go Hideyo! tonya Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HOORAY for Merry too!! And of course let's not forget your part in all this. Michelle, (don't argue with me), please take a bow. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Merry, Hideyo's attorney, called me yesterday to tell me what her hopes are for the case (I had referred Hideyo to her) and said she was so glad that I referred Hideyo to her because she had seen several people harrassed by animal control in Albuquerque into giving up their cats and she could not get those people to fight back because they were so intimidated by the criminal charges, etc. She was so glad to meet Hideyo and see someone willing to stand up to animal control, and to be able to help her get rid of the bad ordinance (still not final, but she seems very hopeful). She is so impressed by how feisty, energetic, and smart Hideyo is, and so happy to be working with her. Michelle In a message dated 1/7/2006 2:20:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, Hideyo mentioned about how
Re: Thoughts for Ewok--pic!
Sorry, forgot to mention that there is a picture of Ewok that I just took with my webcam in that last email I addressed to Michelle if anyone wants to put a face with the name! :) Thanks to everyone who replied to my email so quickly! Your love and support means the world to me (and Ewok!)...I just can't find the words to express how grateful I am...thank you, thank you, thank you!! Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 9, 2006 3:42 pm Subject: Thoughts for Ewok > Hi All... > > Well, it appears we've exhausted all of our possibilities with the > different chemo drugs...the tumor in his belly is winning out, so I'm > guessing it's only a matter of days, now... :( We've gone to stronger > steriods in the hopes that I can give him a few goods days to make up > for the crappy weekend he just had...it just sucks as he's so > healthy in > every other way, I just can't believe we're running out of > options...Please keep my little sweetie boy in your thoughts... > > Jen > > > "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be > unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the > world; You > become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de > Saint-Exupéry > > "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know > each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and > whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- > Chief Dan > George > >
Re: Hartz Tropical Flea & Tick Products for Cats
I missed this. Can you tell me what happened with the Hartz products? I haven't used that brand in a number of years because of rumors of problems. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "Karolyn Lount" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: Hartz Tropical Flea & Tick Products for Cats Announced that by Mach 31, 2006 (The Subject) will be removed from distribution and retail shelves. Following discussions with the EPA the company signed an agreement to voluntarily cancel these products registrations
RE: Thoughts for Ewok--Michelle
Jen - another important thing to remember is that -- don't let the disease itself you intimidate you --- I just have to tell you this because I know some amazing story --- I have a sister in Japan whose dog has had lymposarcama (?) for the past 10 years, and the vet had given her only six months to live, which was 10 years ago,,, and she is still with us, happily - she outlived all of her sisters and brothers.. I consider it to be a miracle,, and she does have cancer all over her body, but she is living happily and this story always make me think of focusing on the presence and not let any name of the disease intimate us too much! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Thoughts for Ewok--Michelle Agreed! He's home now and already feeling much better (even ate some deli turkey!). I'll have to check the receipt, but I think he only got dex today...so I'm tempted to give him pred tonight? I gave him some fish oil (heard that Omega 3 helps slow growth in some tumors) and will basically look into the things that I was afraid to give him while he was on chemo...but I also believe that steriods are our best bet for quality time from here on out... I can't thank you enough for all of your advice, Michelle...you and the members of the list have been a huge comfort for me when I feel absolutely lost and alone in all of this...I know how hard it is to read about the failing health of any of our fur-kids...it's been unbearable for me at times...but I just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your thoughts and prayers... I'll keep you guys updated! Right now, Ewok is scarfing down Fancy Feast... :) Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George
Re: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service
Don't be upset with yourself. Things happen as they should happen. Even though we can't understand them and they hurt like hell. He had food and shelter and a caring person. That is so much more than so many have. He is very, very grateful for your kindness. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Del H. Daniels To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service Please add Isaiah, he passed away last Wednesday, 1/4. He began coming to my house for food and on 13 December (after Shiloh, FeLV+ left for sanctuary because I'm out of isolation space) he moved in under the house and became very friendly. He was solid gray, maybe a year+ old, a sweet fella. I intended to have him neutered last week but he stopped showing up to eat. I found him under the house Thursday morning, he had probably died the day before, don't know of what, we buried him in the back yard. An opossum or something had snacked on him after he had died as there was no blood there, quite gruesome. I'm very upset about it and it's my fault, I should have looked for him earlier and maybe could have saved him. Thanks, Del
Re: Thoughts for Ewok
Hi Jen, I am so sorry to hear that little Ewok isn't doing well...I would have to agree with Michelle on this one...My City Kitty that had lymphoma was on 40 mg. of pred a day for the rest of her life...She did have chemo for 6 months with great response...but it got to a point that we had to stop it because of her blood counts going too low..I can't remember exactly why...But we did continue the pred..20mg twice a day..I would for sure try the dex, too...It will perk them up more rapidly...and not to worry about the diabetes at this point..I have used winstrol, too...for appetite stimulant... The essiac tea is very good...My Mom had lymphoma and she drank it every day...2 times...Shark cartliage shrinks tumors as well...We used the brand benefinYou could crush some up for Ewok, but I don't really know how long it takes to work.. I wish you the best of luck with him... I would try the dex though.. Our prayers are with you, Kerry and Bandy Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
Re: Thoughts for Ewok--Michelle
Agreed! He's home now and already feeling much better (even ate some deli turkey!). I'll have to check the receipt, but I think he only got dex today...so I'm tempted to give him pred tonight? I gave him some fish oil (heard that Omega 3 helps slow growth in some tumors) and will basically look into the things that I was afraid to give him while he was on chemo...but I also believe that steriods are our best bet for quality time from here on out... I can't thank you enough for all of your advice, Michelle...you and the members of the list have been a huge comfort for me when I feel absolutely lost and alone in all of this...I know how hard it is to read about the failing health of any of our fur-kids...it's been unbearable for me at times...but I just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your thoughts and prayers... I'll keep you guys updated! Right now, Ewok is scarfing down Fancy Feast... :) Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George <>
RE: Great news about my court case
Tonya – one of the things I learned from this experience, no one knows everything --- I mean even the top of animal care center person did not know their own ordinance and even an attorney does not know everything --- and but they act like they do.. and they try to use the power that they think they do to intimate you sometimes, all it takes is for us to research, read the law and find out what they can do and they cannot --- When they threatened me to take my cats away, I was not sure if they could or not and no one really knew for sure –so I read everything that I could read, state constitution, city charter, city ordinance, and find out if there is anywhere in the law that they can and there was nothing in the law that states that they could in my situation – no animals are in danger and they are well taken care of … and they just cannot take away my animals based on the violation of the numbers that I had ---and I felt empowered to find out – but the authority will tell you that they can.. but legally they cannot – There was a similar situation where they Immigration office in SF made a mistake on my residence status at the time of entry about 20 years ago,, in stead of them giving me a permanent green card, they gave me a conditional green card which would expire in two years --- and it’s sort of too complicated to explain, but after reading all the case law, and immigration law, I found out that I should have gotten the permanent status --- which wouldn’t have been a big deal if I did not get divorced, but I did .. so all of sudden, I was told that I need to leave the country – and I kept fighting with no lawyer.. but kept reading and believed that I was right – I went to Immigration office in SF, and every person I spoke with at the window of Immigration office told me that I was wrong and need to be deported.. and finally got into the top of the immigration office at SF, and he acknowledged that I was wrong and every body was wrong and misunderstood the law – and finally a day before I was supposed to be deported, I finally got my permanent green card --- from the time one.. I decided not to give too much credit on government official about them knowing about what they are doing … and the same applied here sort of.. if you know what I mean.. so everyone, don’t underestimate your power and don’t let them intimidate you.. you don’t necessary have to do what they tell you to do….. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Great news about my court case Hooray for Merry and Michelle too! I Michelle don't try to downplay your help. Just having your ideas as an attorney have helped Hideyo hang in there. It sounds like finding Merry was a Godsend. I hope all of this pans out. It's sad (no offense intended to any attorneys or those in enforcement). but it IS sad how easily 'regular' people can be treated in these situations. Most people are very rightly afraid of going to jail and afraid of the large attorney fees that add up so quickly. It's certainly not one of America's 'best' systems, but then people in other countries have no 'system' at all. It's easy to say I would fight if this happened to me. But if it came to criminal charges that might land me in jail, or court/attorney costs that might cause me to lose my home anyway. I don't know what I'd do. I admire anyone who will stand up for what is right in these kinds of situations!! Go Hideyo! tonya Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HOORAY for Merry too!! And of course let's not forget your part in all this. Michelle, (don't argue with me), please take a bow. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Merry, Hideyo's attorney, called me yesterday to tell me what her hopes are for the case (I had referred Hideyo to her) and said she was so glad that I referred Hideyo to her because she had seen several people harrassed by animal control in Albuquerque into giving up their cats and she could not get those people to fight back because they were so intimidated by the criminal charges, etc. She was so glad to meet Hideyo and see someone willing to stand up to animal control, and to be able to help her get rid of the bad ordinance (still not final, but she seems very hopeful). She is so impressed by how feisty, energetic, and smart Hideyo is, and so happy to be working with her. Michelle In a message dated 1/7/2006 2:20:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, Hideyo mentioned about how other caring people have had to relinquish/find homes for their animals when faced with animal control regulations about numbers. I've heard of abominable stories from other rescuers too. I remember listening in horror as one very dedicated woman told me about having to pts several cats that were sic
Re: Thoughts for Ewok
Essiac tea is supposed to help, and I think it helped my dog Fern (though she actually drank it from a bowl). Switching to an all meat diet is supposed to slow the growth. I have heard that Winstrol, which is not holistic but an anabolic steroid, helps keep appetite and fights muscle wasting, but I have never used it. When things got bad with the cats (as opposed to with Fern, who would eat anything and was on more supplements than I can remember), I just used the dex/depo shots, which kept their appetite and energy up and their pain down until very close to the end. I tried herbs and stuff but found that they felt very harassed by being administered all those things. I basically do not think that, with terminal illness in cats, you can give too many steroids. I gave Simon a huge amount of steroids-- a dex shot every day for a few days at one point-- to get him feeling better. Cats tolerate steroids way better than any other animals. You would never want to load them up on steroids long-term because of side effects like possible diabetes, but unfortunately we are not talking very long-term here. I feel like if the alternatives are lots of steroids and feeling good with possible side effects down the road versus feeling terrible now and going downhill and being euthanized, I choose loading them up with steroids. Jen, I will be thinking of you and Ewok a lot. Michelle In a message dated 1/9/2006 5:13:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Belinda!Elspar was actually what he got on Friday (it was the second time he'dgotten it)...and the tumor is no longer responding to it... :( He alsodid great with CCNU, but the effects were also only temporary. I'mstarting to look into holistic options to keep him comfortable...do youknow of any off-hand?Thanks,Jen
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Re: Thoughts for Ewok
Hi Jen, Darn that is really too bad, I was hoping that hadn't been tried yet. Here is the page that covers holistic treatments and options, I have never used them but others have and with success. http://felinelymphomacaregivers.org/docs/HolisticRemedies.html -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Thoughts for Ewok
Hi Belinda! Elspar was actually what he got on Friday (it was the second time he'd gotten it)...and the tumor is no longer responding to it... :( He also did great with CCNU, but the effects were also only temporary. I'm starting to look into holistic options to keep him comfortable...do you know of any off-hand? Thanks, Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, January 9, 2006 3:59 pm Subject: Re: Thoughts for Ewok > Jen, > Has Ewok had elspar? It has pulled many kitties from the edge? > It > is known on the Feline Lymphoma Caregivers website as the rescue > chemo!! Have you gone to the chemo protocal page and looked over > the > many chemo options, and variations of standards used? Just wanted > to be > sure you are aware of all the information out there. > > Chemo Protocals > http://felinelymphomacaregivers.org/docs/ChemoProtocols.html > > Variations of Standard Chemo Portocals > http://felinelymphomacaregivers.org/docs/GulfCoastChemoProtocols.html > > Here are some actual case studies of kitties with the same type of > cancer and the protocal/s (some had to try more than one) they used. > > Jean Luc > http://felinelymphomacaregivers.org/jeanluc.html > (large cell more agressive cancer) > > Drew > http://felinelymphomacaregivers.org/drew.html > (small cell, slower growing cancer) > > I wanted to give you a sample of each since the treatments are > different > if it is large cell or small cell. > > I'm sorry I haven't followed Ewok's story more closely, I'm can't > remember what you have or haven't tried. Prayers for you both. > > -- > Belinda > Happiness is being owned by cats ... > > Be-Mi-Kitties ... > http://www.bemikitties.com > > Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens > http://adopt.bemikitties.com > > FeLV Candle Light Service > http://www.bemikitties.com/cls > > HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) > http://HostDesign4U.com > > --- > > BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) > http://bmk.bemikitties.com > >
Re: Thoughts for Ewok
Thoughts and prayers with you and your precious Ewok. SherryCarla Shoppe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JenSorry to hear about EwokMy thoughts and prayers are with youCarla Yahoo! Photos Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and well bind it!
RE: Thoughts for Ewok
Jen, I am praying that Ework will bounce back very soon - I might suggest that you call Martin Goldstein in NY - Smithridge - he is well known for homeopathic cancer treatment - http://smithridge.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Thoughts for Ewok Hi All... Well, it appears we've exhausted all of our possibilities with the different chemo drugs...the tumor in his belly is winning out, so I'm guessing it's only a matter of days, now... :( We've gone to stronger steriods in the hopes that I can give him a few goods days to make up for the crappy weekend he just had...it just sucks as he's so healthy in every other way, I just can't believe we're running out of options...Please keep my little sweetie boy in your thoughts... Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George
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Hi All Been off for awhile I want to send my condolences to all who have lost a fur child and prayers to all that needs healing vibes and thoughts. Carla
Re: Thoughts for Ewok
Jen Sorry to hear about Ewok My thoughts and prayers are with you Carla
Re: Thoughts for Ewok
Oh, Jen. I am so sorry. I have been there, and it is the worst thing ever. I am assuming the stronger steroids means you just gave him a dex/depo shot for the first time? You might be surprised; it might help for a while. I am praying it does. Love and prayers and thoughts, Michelle In a message dated 1/9/2006 4:43:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi All...Well, it appears we've exhausted all of our possibilities with thedifferent chemo drugs...the tumor in his belly is winning out, so I'mguessing it's only a matter of days, now... :( We've gone to strongersteriods in the hopes that I can give him a few goods days to make upfor the crappy weekend he just had...it just sucks as he's so healthy inevery other way, I just can't believe we're running out ofoptions...Please keep my little sweetie boy in your thoughts...Jen
Re: Thoughts for Ewok
Jen, Has Ewok had elspar? It has pulled many kitties from the edge? It is known on the Feline Lymphoma Caregivers website as the rescue chemo!! Have you gone to the chemo protocal page and looked over the many chemo options, and variations of standards used? Just wanted to be sure you are aware of all the information out there. Chemo Protocals http://felinelymphomacaregivers.org/docs/ChemoProtocols.html Variations of Standard Chemo Portocals http://felinelymphomacaregivers.org/docs/GulfCoastChemoProtocols.html Here are some actual case studies of kitties with the same type of cancer and the protocal/s (some had to try more than one) they used. Jean Luc http://felinelymphomacaregivers.org/jeanluc.html (large cell more agressive cancer) Drew http://felinelymphomacaregivers.org/drew.html (small cell, slower growing cancer) I wanted to give you a sample of each since the treatments are different if it is large cell or small cell. I'm sorry I haven't followed Ewok's story more closely, I'm can't remember what you have or haven't tried. Prayers for you both. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Thoughts for Ewok
Jen, Sending you and Ewok peaceful thoughts and vibes and lots of prayers. I'm sorry you two are having to go through this. Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi All... > > Well, it appears we've exhausted all of our > possibilities with the > different chemo drugs...the tumor in his belly is > winning out, so I'm > guessing it's only a matter of days, now... :( > We've gone to stronger > steriods in the hopes that I can give him a few > goods days to make up > for the crappy weekend he just had...it just sucks > as he's so healthy in > every other way, I just can't believe we're running > out of > options...Please keep my little sweetie boy in your > thoughts... > > Jen > > > "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. > To me, you will be > unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique > in all the world; You > become responsible, forever, for what you have > tamed..." --Antoine de > Saint-Exupéry > > "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you > and you will know > each other. If you do not talk to them you will not > know them, and what > you do not know you will fear. What one fears one > destroys." --Chief Dan > George > > > __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
RE: Thoughts for Ewok
Jen, All fingers, toes and paws crossed here. Joan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 4:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Thoughts for Ewok Hi All... Well, it appears we've exhausted all of our possibilities with the different chemo drugs...the tumor in his belly is winning out, so I'm guessing it's only a matter of days, now... :( We've gone to stronger steriods in the hopes that I can give him a few goods days to make up for the crappy weekend he just had...it just sucks as he's so healthy in every other way, I just can't believe we're running out of options...Please keep my little sweetie boy in your thoughts... Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George
Thoughts for Ewok
Hi All... Well, it appears we've exhausted all of our possibilities with the different chemo drugs...the tumor in his belly is winning out, so I'm guessing it's only a matter of days, now... :( We've gone to stronger steriods in the hopes that I can give him a few goods days to make up for the crappy weekend he just had...it just sucks as he's so healthy in every other way, I just can't believe we're running out of options...Please keep my little sweetie boy in your thoughts... Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George
Re: FIV cat
Thanks! I have joined the FIVcats2 group and as soon as I'm approved I'll post there. I hope we can find her a home, she's a sweetie! Kathie Hi, I strongly suggest that she be tested for Western blot to confirm that she is really positive for FIV 3 out of 8 cats who tested positive on ELISA, ended up being false positive I live in NM if someone transportation can be arranged, I will take her if you cant find any alternatives. I think there a couple of other people on the list who were willing to take FIV kitty, I think Also, I suggest that you post this to FIVcats2 yahoo group please make sure that its #2 group, and not FIVcats.
Re: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service
Ah, Del -- how sad! You shouldn't blame yourself though. Sounds like he had a mind of his own. I'm so sorry. Goodnight, sweet Isaiah... =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Del H. Daniels To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service Please add Isaiah, he passed away last Wednesday, 1/4. He began coming to my house for food and on 13 December (after Shiloh, FeLV+ left for sanctuary because I'm out of isolation space) he moved in under the house and became very friendly. He was solid gray, maybe a year+ old, a sweet fella. I intended to have him neutered last week but he stopped showing up to eat. I found him under the house Thursday morning, he had probably died the day before, don't know of what, we buried him in the back yard. An opossum or something had snacked on him after he had died as there was no blood there, quite gruesome. I'm very upset about it and it's my fault, I should have looked for him earlier and maybe could have saved him. Thanks, Del
Re: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service
Del, How tragic, that is so sad about Isaiah, too much tragedy all at once. He knew love once he met you for that you can be thankful. I have added him to the service. I pray Sam is going to be OK and stop scaring Mommy so. My Joey is also a HCM kitty, he is doing very good, thank goodness. What happened with Sam? How old is Sam? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hi All, Here is this weeks Candle Light Service, my prayers for all the furkids to stay well, and my condolences to those who have lost a furbaby. Take care all. FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls PS. Bailey is hanging in there, with syringing he is maintaining his weight at between 8.5 and 8.8 pounds so that is acceptable for now. He has had 2 epogen shots, can't say I notice anything, but didn't expect to. I have put him back on the antibiotics bacuse now his lymphnodes are swollen under his chin again (I think this is mainly from stress of syringing, he really doesn't like it and wants NOTHING to do with me ... period, it hurts for him to shun me but it will not deter from what needs to be done). He will get his 3rd epogen tomorrow and get a blood test Friday to check his count. Michelle, I asked my vet about the dex, and she said she had thought about it but decided against it because if we feel there is more going on than just the anemia and decide to do the endoscopy it will scew those results. She did alow me to give him one dose of pred, she said that would scew anything, it didn't seem to make any difference. With Bailey being as sensitive as he is I am almost positive his ZERO interest in food is because of the syringe feeding. I'm just hoping once the epogen kicks in he will get over that and want to eat again, but if not, he will get food. One girl on the CRF group with an anemic cat had to syringe for the remained of its life after daignosis ... I just hope he will not hate me forever, though if that is the price for giving him life I can deal with it. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com
RE: Great news about my court case - get yourself a lawyer
How funny, Michelle ---but at the same time, that’s probably why we are on the list --- we and so many people on the list are so determined to do what it takes to take care of our furry babies who cannot speak for themselves ---though I am probably very stubborn on any issues.. Greg is sort of a mediator – he always makes thing happen for me when I am stuck being in stubborn and things are not going anywhere ---he find a middle ground for me and whoever I am fighting against and make a deal so that things actually get settled if it weren’t because of him, I guess I still wouldn’t have my kitty cottage did not get converted (I had a disagreement with contractors as they wanted me to pay more than what they had agreed to be paid.. and I did not want to because I really couldn’t afford --- but Greg talked to them for me, and negotiated something that we could both live with… From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Great news about my court case - get yourself a lawyer Hideyo, we are so much alike. Someone I worked with actually said that this is my weakness as well as my strength, in those very words. I think it makes me a good lawyer, but I do not always get along with people all that well! Michelle In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:09:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, I was never going to give in --- no matter what, though --- that’s a sort of my weakness as well as strength – when I feel I am right, I can’t compromise it – I need to fight until I get what I want and sometimes, it’s not the best way..
RE: Great news about my court case
I also spoke with Levy this morning (again the person you found for me) and asked for a sample ordinance for TN&R program in place in IL ---and just got a copy of it- I will take a look at it and talk to Merry this week (we were going to meet to prepare for a meeting with the city councilor who is working on the new ordinance) too see how we can convince the councilor on TN&R issue as well – she told me that the councilor was open to the idea in the industry area, but not in residential area so much for some reason (that’s really stupid, too as there are so many feral in residential area) - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Great news about my court case I was hoping that your working with Merry would lead to you and her teaming up on that too. That's great. Michelle In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also told Merry that I would like help TN&R ordinance to get into the new ordinance somehow with the city councilor --- the current ordinance don’t consider any right for feral cats and when you think about it, it’s very stupid, because the majority of the animals involved in the community are feral --- and those are the ones being euthanized ---I found some ordinance in other states who protect rights of feral cats and want to do everything I can to make a difference in their lives.
Re: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service
Thanks Gloria. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: Re: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service Del, you have my deepest sympathies. You gave him a good life. There are so many things that we blame ourselves for, I know I do too. We do the best we can, and food a love go a long way. I know he's grateful for your loving care. Many blessings, Gloria At 10:33 AM 1/9/2006, you wrote: Please add Isaiah, he passed away last Wednesday, 1/4. He began coming to my house for food and on 13 December (after Shiloh, FeLV+ left for sanctuary because I'm out of isolation space) he moved in under the house and became very friendly. He was solid gray, maybe a year+ old, a sweet fella. I intended to have him neutered last week but he stopped showing up to eat. I found him under the house Thursday morning, he had probably died the day before, don't know of what, we buried him in the back yard. An opossum or something had snacked on him after he had died as there was no blood there, quite gruesome. I'm very upset about it and it's my fault, I should have looked for him earlier and maybe could have saved him. Thanks, Del
Re: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service
Del, you have my deepest sympathies. You gave him a good life. There are so many things that we blame ourselves for, I know I do too. We do the best we can, and food a love go a long way. I know he's grateful for your loving care. Many blessings, Gloria At 10:33 AM 1/9/2006, you wrote: Please add Isaiah, he passed away last Wednesday, 1/4. He began coming to my house for food and on 13 December (after Shiloh, FeLV+ left for sanctuary because I'm out of isolation space) he moved in under the house and became very friendly. He was solid gray, maybe a year+ old, a sweet fella. I intended to have him neutered last week but he stopped showing up to eat. I found him under the house Thursday morning, he had probably died the day before, don't know of what, we buried him in the back yard. An opossum or something had snacked on him after he had died as there was no blood there, quite gruesome. I'm very upset about it and it's my fault, I should have looked for him earlier and maybe could have saved him. Thanks, Del
Re: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service
Thank you, Wendy, Joan, and Susan. Too much heartbreak in a short time. It was hard to give up Shiloh when I discovered he was FeLV+, he had lived under the house and on the back deck for almost a year, 14-15 lbs sweet, healthy guy. My Sam, HCM, had another crisis that Wednesday and almost died at the vet. Then found Isaiah the next morning. :( Fortunately the rest of my furbabies are doing well. Del - Original Message - From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service Dear Del, Please don't feel so badly. It's not your fault that Isaiah died. I am sorry for your loss and that you had to find Isaiah the way you did. You did more for him than anyone else, for sure. Take comfort in knowing that he knew that and loved you because of it. :) Wendy --- "Del H. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please add Isaiah, he passed away last Wednesday, 1/4. He began coming to my house for food and on 13 December (after Shiloh, FeLV+ left for sanctuary because I'm out of isolation space) he moved in under the house and became very friendly. He was solid gray, maybe a year+ old, a sweet fella. I intended to have him neutered last week but he stopped showing up to eat. I found him under the house Thursday morning, he had probably died the day before, don't know of what, we buried him in the back yard. An opossum or something had snacked on him after he had died as there was no blood there, quite gruesome. I'm very upset about it and it's my fault, I should have looked for him earlier and maybe could have saved him. Thanks, Del __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
RE: FIV cat
Hi, I strongly suggest that she be tested for Western blot to confirm that she is really positive for FIV – 3 out of 8 cats who tested positive on ELISA, ended up being false positive – I live in NM – if someone transportation can be arranged, I will take her if you can’t find any alternatives. I think there a couple of other people on the list who were willing to take FIV kitty, I think – Also, I suggest that you post this to FIVcats2 – yahoo group – please make sure that it’s “#2” group, and not FIVcats. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathie and Donna Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: FIV cat Our small rescue group has a very sweet female cat that has tested + for FIV. For several weeks she has been boarding at the vet's as we are all way over capacity in our homes. Unfortunately, we can't afford to board her there indefinately, nor would that be fair to her. We are near Cleveland. Does anyone know of a sanctuary or person who would be willing to adopt her? Thanks for any help. Kathie
Re: Great news about my court case
I was hoping that your working with Merry would lead to you and her teaming up on that too. That's great. Michelle In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:32:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also told Merry that I would like help TN&R ordinance to get into the new ordinance somehow with the city councilor --- the current ordinance don’t consider any right for feral cats and when you think about it, it’s very stupid, because the majority of the animals involved in the community are feral --- and those are the ones being euthanized ---I found some ordinance in other states who protect rights of feral cats and want to do everything I can to make a difference in their lives.
RE: Great news about my court case
Michelle, Greg also wanted to thank you everything you have done for – I had printed all your correspondences and gave to Greg so that he could prepare my argument for the hearing.. he was very grateful of all the time you put into to help me out and the information was so valuable! And, you finding Merry made such a huge difference to the outcome for my case. I just spoke her with this morning and she is working on them trying to dismiss the charges asap – I think I still have to go to hearing this Thursday for my criminal case since they may not do it in time.. Greg is filing the motion this morning for continuance. I also told Merry that I would like help TN&R ordinance to get into the new ordinance somehow with the city councilor --- the current ordinance don’t consider any right for feral cats and when you think about it, it’s very stupid, because the majority of the animals involved in the community are feral --- and those are the ones being euthanized ---I found some ordinance in other states who protect rights of feral cats and want to do everything I can to make a difference in their lives. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Great news about my court case HOORAY for Merry too!! And of course let's not forget your part in all this. Michelle, (don't argue with me), please take a bow. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Merry, Hideyo's attorney, called me yesterday to tell me what her hopes are for the case (I had referred Hideyo to her) and said she was so glad that I referred Hideyo to her because she had seen several people harrassed by animal control in Albuquerque into giving up their cats and she could not get those people to fight back because they were so intimidated by the criminal charges, etc. She was so glad to meet Hideyo and see someone willing to stand up to animal control, and to be able to help her get rid of the bad ordinance (still not final, but she seems very hopeful). She is so impressed by how feisty, energetic, and smart Hideyo is, and so happy to be working with her. Michelle In a message dated 1/7/2006 2:20:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, Hideyo mentioned about how other caring people have had to relinquish/find homes for their animals when faced with animal control regulations about numbers. I've heard of abominable stories from other rescuers too. I remember listening in horror as one very dedicated woman told me about having to pts several cats that were sick/old that no one else would take. I don't care what I would have had to do, that would not have happened in my house! Hideyo is such an inspiration to all of us. It just goes to show you what can be accomplished, when you dig your heels in and just say NO! She may be the groundbreaking force in changing the ordinances in her town and, who knows, maybe an example for other states to follow. I don't want to jinx anything here, I know Hideyo's trials and tribulations are far from over, but isn't it just amazing what she's done so far? I don't know what I'd have done in her place, I'd probably be posting from some underground hidden location, if I were her. She instead has chosen to hold her ground and fight for herself, her furchildren, and all of us that pray for the day that animals are no longer treated as "property" and are finally given the respect and rights due to the loved ones they are. HOORAY for Hideyo!!! Nina
RE: OT ear mite treatment
Thank you so much! Actually I have been using olive oil on the kittens so I will continue to do that! Thank you! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT ear mite treatment Hideyo and Kat, My vet recently told me to use olive oil rather than mineral oil. She said it was less irritating to cats' ears. That's the first time I've heard that, but thought I'd pass it on. t Kat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hideyo, It's probably is Ivermectin - I have no experience with this and kittens. If you're unsure, you can always just use mineral oil or olive oil. Squirt a dropperful into each ear (in as far as possible, and then hold the ear flap over the ear canal for a bit before they shake it out again). The oil drowns the mites (and helps loosen up the black "gunk" so you can clean them easier too). Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: > Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:56:44 -0700 > From: Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: OT ear mite treatment > > Hi, I need to treat my kitten and kitties with ear mites and have a > medicine called Ararrex (with IVIC... something ) - has anyone > experience any side effects in kittens? > >
Re: Great news about my court case - get yourself a lawyer
Hideyo, we are so much alike. Someone I worked with actually said that this is my weakness as well as my strength, in those very words. I think it makes me a good lawyer, but I do not always get along with people all that well! Michelle In a message dated 1/9/2006 12:09:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, I was never going to give in --- no matter what, though --- that’s a sort of my weakness as well as strength – when I feel I am right, I can’t compromise it – I need to fight until I get what I want and sometimes, it’s not the best way..
RE: Great news about my court case - get yourself a lawyer
I agree, even when calling to get some public records, unless you are an attorney, they really don’t take care of you that well or quickly --- I also think that if you don’t have an attorney, you don’t know that you have an option to fight against them --- I only knew because Greg told me that I could from the very beginning.. so when my permit was denied at the first time, I think that most of the people would have thought that they don’t have any other options but to surrender their animals which is sooo wrong! Also, I think that in Albuquerque, there was no one in the past who was trying to fight against the possibility of the ordinance being unconstitutional before me according to Merry – they all gave in because they did not better – even a few of my friends who are in rescue organization (and these are board and president of well known rescue groups) told me not to fight against it, but find a way to go around it because I won’t win – But, I was never going to give in --- no matter what, though --- that’s a sort of my weakness as well as strength – when I feel I am right, I can’t compromise it – I need to fight until I get what I want and sometimes, it’s not the best way.. “being right” is not necessary the most important thing, but “doing right” might be more important sometimes – I think the city attorney was shocked that I prepared so much information at the hearing, as no one in the past had prepared that much information to fight and he simply got pissed at the end because I did not give in --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Great news about my court case - get yourself a lawyer It's so true about people who have attorneys being treated differently. This is not a very significant example, but it opened my eyes to this very fact and changed the way I pursue disputes. On one of the many relocations of my youth, I actually had a job waiting for me in NY city. The company I would be working for paid for my moving expenses and I hired Mayflower to haul my stuff from CA to NJ. I had neatly marked all my boxes and when the drivers arrived they wouldn't wait for me to inspect all the boxes. I signed off, but I included a note saying that I had not inspected everything. Sure enough several of the boxes marked "tools" were missing. (Another lesson is to mark your boxes in code!). My significant other and I fought for months with the moving company, through phone calls and letters, each time they would put us off. (We were insured for loss and damage btw). Finally we spoke to an attorney about it. While we were in the attorney's office, after a 10 minute conversation mind you, he picked up the phone and that quick we were okayed a check to cover our losses! Made me want to spit! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense taken. Merry and I actually talked for a while about this very thing-- how the city attorney and the city council started acting differently once Merry announced to them she was going to take the case and put together a team of lawyers to fight it. She said the "team" was going to be her, the criminal attorney Hideyo found, and Hideyo's boyfriend, but she did not say that to the city people. She just said a "team" would be litigating it, and she said they all seemed very surprised and then started acting cooperative. I myself, in my jobs as a legal aid lawyer, have seen over and over how differently people with lawyers are treated. It is really shocking and appalling. One of my jobs right now entails going through and reading most of the hearing decisions that come out of the MA (I am telecommuting) welfare system (administrative appeal decisions) to try to get a sense of systemic problems that are occurring and to post relevant decisions on a website where legal aid lawyers can see and use them. Most of the decisions are in cases where the person did not have a lawyer. There are so many decisions that are denied appeals, where if the person had had a lawyer I know they would have won because they were completely in the right. It makes me very depressed. Michelle
FIV cat
Our small rescue group has a very sweet female cat that has tested + for FIV. For several weeks she has been boarding at the vet's as we are all way over capacity in our homes. Unfortunately, we can't afford to board her there indefinately, nor would that be fair to her. We are near Cleveland. Does anyone know of a sanctuary or person who would be willing to adopt her? Thanks for any help. Kathie
Re: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service
Dear Del, Please don't feel so badly. It's not your fault that Isaiah died. I am sorry for your loss and that you had to find Isaiah the way you did. You did more for him than anyone else, for sure. Take comfort in knowing that he knew that and loved you because of it. :) Wendy --- "Del H. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please add Isaiah, he passed away last Wednesday, > 1/4. He began coming to my house for food and on 13 > December (after Shiloh, FeLV+ left for sanctuary > because I'm out of isolation space) he moved in > under the house and became very friendly. He was > solid gray, maybe a year+ old, a sweet fella. I > intended to have him neutered last week but he > stopped showing up to eat. I found him under the > house Thursday morning, he had probably died the day > before, don't know of what, we buried him in the > back yard. An opossum or something had snacked on > him after he had died as there was no blood there, > quite gruesome. I'm very upset about it and it's my > fault, I should have looked for him earlier and > maybe could have saved him. > > Thanks, > Del __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
Re: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service
Del, I am so sorry. I suspect every "rescuer" wrestles with space issues. I am so sorry that Isaiah died the way he did. But look around and pet those that are with you and look at their faces. You and they are the lucky ones. Joan"Del H. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please add Isaiah, he passed away last Wednesday, 1/4. He began coming to my house for food and on 13 December (after Shiloh, FeLV+ left for sanctuary because I'm out of isolation space) he moved in under the house and became very friendly. He was solid gray, maybe a year+ old, a sweet fella. I intended to have him neutered last week but he stopped showing up to eat. I found him under the house Thursday morning, he had probably died the day before, don't know of what, we buried him in the back yard. An opossum or something had snacked on him after he had died as there was no blood there, quite gruesome. I'm very upset about it and it's my fault, I should have looked for him earlier and maybe could have saved him. Thanks, Del
Re: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service
Del, I am so sorry. You may not have been able to save him but you loved him and I am sure he knew it."Del H. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please add Isaiah, he passed away last Wednesday, 1/4. He began coming to my house for food and on 13 December (after Shiloh, FeLV+ left for sanctuary because I'm out of isolation space) he moved in under the house and became very friendly. He was solid gray, maybe a year+ old, a sweet fella. I intended to have him neutered last week but he stopped showing up to eat. I found him under the house Thursday morning, he had probably died the day before, don't know of what, we buried him in the back yard. An opossum or something had snacked on him after he had died as there was no blood there, quite gruesome. I'm very upset about it and it's my fault, I should have looked for him earlier and maybe could have saved him. Thanks, Del
Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service
Please add Isaiah, he passed away last Wednesday, 1/4. He began coming to my house for food and on 13 December (after Shiloh, FeLV+ left for sanctuary because I'm out of isolation space) he moved in under the house and became very friendly. He was solid gray, maybe a year+ old, a sweet fella. I intended to have him neutered last week but he stopped showing up to eat. I found him under the house Thursday morning, he had probably died the day before, don't know of what, we buried him in the back yard. An opossum or something had snacked on him after he had died as there was no blood there, quite gruesome. I'm very upset about it and it's my fault, I should have looked for him earlier and maybe could have saved him. Thanks, Del
Fu & Tapazole
Bonnie, >From what my vet has told me about Tapazole and Kidneys (as well as what I found on the "Ask Dr. Mike"website: http://www.vetinfo.com/ceffect.html - The primary problems with methimazole are gastrointestinal irritation, liver disease and anemia due to adverse effects on the bone marrow. Of these effects the bone marrow suppression is the most severe when it occurs. Kidney disease is not a direct effect of methimazole but successful treatment of hyperthyroidism will sometimes cause problems in a cat that has pre-existing kidney failure. The kidneys try to induce high blood pressure to keep up blood flow when they are damage. Hyperthyroidism aids this process and seems to actually mask kidney disease in some cats. When these cats are successfully treated for their hyperthyroidism there is a drop in blood pressure. In a few cats with kidney failure this will be enough of a problem to cause a sudden worsening of the kidney failure they already had. It is important to monitor for this effect whenever treatment for hyperthyroidism is undertaken, regardless of the treatment method (methimazole, surgery, radioactive iodine therapy). - I'm so glad the epogen seems to be helping Fu. I'm keeping you both in my prayers. Kat (Mew Jersey)
