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I'm with Nina. Plus it just doesn't happen. I have brought in new negatives and new positives. NO ONE has ever 'caught' felv from my positives. One was a feral that had only had her 1st vaccine and I just brought her on in without waiting for the 2nd. She's negative.Unless you're dealing with unvaccinated cats/kittens. it's just not going to happen. If I had the choice to live all alone or be killed or live in a 'sanctuary' I'd choose to risk the thunderstorm too. I truly think the odds of a positive transferring the virus to a vaccinated cat would be about the same as being struck by lightening.NOT vaccinating would be more like holding the metal pole. If they're vaccinated there is simply just not a risk. I've been on this list over 10 years. It doesn't happen. Even positive cats have only a third of a chance of getting sick.
About a third of cats are naturally immune. About a third might carry the virus and never get sick. And the last third gets sick. Add the vaccine to help that last third and even if it's not 100% effective you are looking at excellent odds.What does happen is that people test their cats one time and get false negatives. Then they don't find out they have a positive cat until it gets sick or they bring in a cat that tests positive and then retest everyone and find out they had a false negative to begin with but think the disease was transmitted. I don't believe it was. Thevirus can be in the bone marrow for years and then show up. Unless a cat came from an older truly negative mother, and was never exposed to ANY other cats there's a chance it might turn up positive at some point.Any cat you already havecould be harboring the virus if it was a stray, if it came from a shelter
or rescue, from a breeder, etceven if it tested negative at one time. I truly believe you are 99.9% safe if the cats are vaccinated.And yes, I think vets need to get their acts together and quit passing out information that is flat out wrong. They know there's next to no chance of a vaccinated cat getting felv, BUT they have to cover their asses.It's just like what's going on now with vaccinations. They KNOW those vaccinations are not necessary every year, but they are fighting it every step of the way to scare people into getting them every year. Why? Money.My internal specialist told me he had his household mixed at least 10 years ago. He said the 'right thing to do' would be to tell me to find a new place for my positive but that he had a positive himself. felv and fiv. And he said no one had
transferred either to his negative cats.tonyaNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the only place you could be with your loved ones and not feel like a prisoner, was to stand in thunder storms, (even with a pole in your arms), I wonder how much more ready to risk it someone might be. I don't know how well this analogy works, but when you're talking about a pos being segregated away from family fur members and confined to one room "for each other's safety", there are other things to consider besides the "safest" course of action. There is some debate about just how social cats are, how necessary to their well being it is to interact with each other. I just know from personal experience that it is important to my guys. I don't know how I would have reacted if I'd had some warning about
the status of my felv kids. They had already been mixed, and even though it did give me pause, there was really no decision to be made. I can only tell you how grateful I am that I didn't separate them from the rest of the household. Maybe I'm fortunate to not have had anyone else contract the disease, the majority of this list has had the same experience, but there are some that have not. I guess part of my decision making process always includes the aspect of what I consider quality of life. I've never been a proponent of quantity over quality. Cats need to interact in as "free" and stimulating an environment as possible. Of course it's important to keep them safe, but I wonder what their answer would be if we posed the question to them directly. We could always pole incarcerated humans and ask them if they'd rather take their chances standing free in a thunder storm. Maybe my view on this has to do with watching,
loving and learning from my feral colonies. Perhaps it's just a rationalization to help me cope with not being able to fully protect the "wild" cats that I love, but I am convinced that they would not be living as full or as happy a life if they were forced to live in captivity. So, as it's too late to not make this a long-winded response, I'll try to at least cut it short... Should the experts update their websites? You bet they should. Part of the problem is that the updating we are looking for is mostly from anequdotal evidence and the experts don't put a great deal of credence in what guardians like us have discovered. At the same time, no one seems willing to do the

Re: Need more prayers for my little babies..

CC was around 6 months when she had immunoregulin.t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I wonder if immuno-regulin can be used with kittens?  Michelle

Re: Testing saliva for FeLV (was 'interesting')

I have heard of this before, but it was not as accurate. I guess they are working to make it more accurate? Either way, it's always been known to be in the saliva, but it dies so quickly that that is not how it is typically transmitted. It's more typically transmitted sexually like felv, through bad fighting like is involved in non neutered cats, and through birth to a positive mother. My positives have always groomed my negatives.twendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Did anyone read the post that Elizabeth sent ontesting saliva instead of blood for FeLV? It's belowin case you deleted it. I think it's veryinteresting. Not only can they possibly test withouttaking blood, but if FeLV is hanging out in the salivathen it IS possible to pass it along via
 grooming (ie.heavy petting...lol). What do you guys think aboutthis new research?:)Wendy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An abstract from March 2006. Sure would make life easier if we could test  without drawing blood   _J Clin Microbiol._ (_javascript_:AL_get(this, 'jour', 'J Clin  Microbiol.');) 2006 Mar;44(3):916-22. _Related  Articles,_ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmedcmd=Displaydopt=pubmed_pubmedfrom_uid=16517876)  _Links_ (_javascript_:PopUpMenu2_Set(Menu16517876);)   (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/utils/lofref.fcgi?PrId=3051uid=16517876db=pubmedurl="">  Detection of feline leukemia virus RNA in saliva from naturally infected  cats and correlation of PCR results with
 those of current diagnostic methods.  _Gomes-Keller MA_ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmedcmd=Searchitool=pubmed_Abstractterm="Gomes-Keller+MA"[Author]) , _Gonczi E_ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmedcmd=Searchitool=pubme d_Abstractterm="Gonczi+E"[Author]) , _Tandon R_ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmedcmd=Searchitool=pubmed_Abstractterm="Tandon+R"[ Author]) , _Riondato F_ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmedcmd=Searchitool=pubmed_Abstractterm="Riondato+F"[Author]) ,  _Hofmann-Lehmann R_ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmedcmd=Searchitool=pubmed_Abstractterm="Hofmann-Lehmann+R"[Author]) , _Meli ML_
 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmedcmd=Searchitool=pubmed_Abstrac tterm="Meli+ML"[Author]) , _Lutz H_ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmedcmd=Searchitool=pubmed_Abstractterm="Lutz+H"[Author]) .  Clinical Laboratory, Vetsuisse Faculty, University of Zurich,  Winterthurerstrasse 260, 8057, Zurich, Switzerland.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  A novel diagnostic test for feline leukemia virus (FeLV) RNA in saliva from  naturally infected cats is described in this study. We evaluated different  diagnostic tests and compared them with the widely  used enzyme-linked  immunosorbent assay (ELISA) for the detection of p27 in the diagnosis of FeLV. Blood  samples from 445 cats were tested for the presence of provirus by real-time  PCR and
 plasma and saliva specimens from those cats were tested for the  presence of viral RNA by real-time reverse transcription (RT)-PCR and for the  presence of p27 by ELISA. In comparison to conventional ELISA, the diagnostic  sensitivity and specificity of the detection of salivary FeLV RNA by real-time  RT-PCR were found to be 98.1 and 99.2%, respectively. Detection of viral RNA in  saliva had a positive predictive value of 94.6% and a negative predictive  value of 99.7%. The kappa value was 0.96, demonstrating an almost perfect  agreement between both tests. Furthermore, we confirmed previous results showing  that a number of cats which tested negative for the presence of p27 in plasma  were in fact positive for the presence of DNA provirus in blood specimens  (5.4%). However, 96.4% of these latently infected
 cats did not shed viral RNA in  saliva; therefore, we assume that these cats are of relatively low clinical  importance at the time of testing. This study shows considerable diagnostic  value of the detection of saliva FeLV RNA in naturally infected cats. This new  diagnostic method has advantages over the conventional ELISA, such as less  invasive sample collection and no requirement for trained personnel.   _Entrez PubMed_ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=pubmeddopt=Abstractlist_uids=16517876query_hl=1itool=pubmed_docsum)  __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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If the blockage is severe they typically remove the cat's penis and turn him into a 'her'. It's not really that uncommon. It may be that a blockage was so severe it couldn't be helped... but I've never heard of it. Though I have heard of the sex change!tTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Right... I paid for it 30+ years ago and that is when I learned the economy of paying a little more for good food...Tad[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The surgery can get expensive though, and some vets may not know how to do it, BUT I would think they could have
 referred her to someone that could have helped, if money wasn't a factor.  PhaewrynPLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS!   No virus found in this outgoing message.  Checked by AVG Free Edition.  Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 6/19/2006

Re: Safety first? - On my soapbox again

I do believe the vaccines are worth it. And as far as rabiesI've worked at shelters, with ferals, etc and even though there's a small chance I might get rabies I do it anyway and I have not gone and got the rabies shots like lots of animal workers do. (That's for my own happiness I hate shots!)I think most of the people on this list who have a cat have very lucky cats.tTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or is the real question...What if the risk from the vaccine is greater than the disease it self..Like small pox...Tad[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the spirit of acceptance and being able to share ideas -I, myself,mix FeVL+ and FeVL- cats. Are there risks? Yes. Knowledge is power, however, and that is why I vaccinate the ones who are negative and take additional precautions in keeping litterboxes extra clean - keeping food and water dishes extra clean - and pay more attention to frequently washing bedding and keeping shared areas disinfected. There is scientific evidence that the virus is contained in the saliva. Scientific evidence as recent as March 2006.Nobody I know has ever contracted rabies. I don't know of any pets personally who have gotten rabies either. I could probably let all my cats run free and they might never contract rabies. That, however, would be irresponsible - in my view - knowing the risk is there and not taking preventative
measures. Ancedotal evidence indicates that my cats probably won't get rabies. I disagree, however, that veterinarians and expert websites should change their information to include thisancedotal information.Is ancedotal evidence important? Yes - it is...and it is extremely valuable. But there has to be a balance between scientific evidence and practical application. Both are valuable. It is also extremely important to recovery that the cats feel loved, safe, and unstressed. Diet is also very important. All of these things go toward making life better for all of us...not just the cats.I respect your opinion. I also respect your right to disagree and I appreciate the opportunity to contribute to the discussion.Elizabeth*Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.*
-Original Message-From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:46:57 -0700Subject: Safety first? - On my soapbox again If the only place you could be with your loved ones and not feel like a prisoner, was to stand in thunder storms, (even with a pole in your arms), I wonder how much more ready to risk it someone might be. I don't know how well this analogy works, but when you're talking about a pos being segregated away from family fur members and confined to one room "for each other's safety", there are other things to consider besides the "safest" course of action. There is some debate about just how social cats are, how necessary to their well being it is to interact with each other. I just know from personal experience that it is important to my guys. I don't know how I would have reacted if I'd had some warning about the status
of my felv kids. They had already been mixed, and even though it did give me pause, there was really no decision to be made. I can only tell you how grateful I am that I didn't separate them from the rest of the household. Maybe I'm fortunate to not have had anyone else contract the disease, the majority of this list has had the same experience, but there are some that have not. I guess part of my decision making process always includes the aspect of what I consider quality of life. I've never been a proponent of quantity over quality. Cats need to interact in as "free" and stimulating an environment as possible. Of course it's important to keep them safe, but I wonder what their answer would be if we posed the question to them directly. We could always pole incarcerated humans and ask them if they'd rather take their chances standing free in a thunder storm. Maybe my view on this has to do with watching, loving and
learning from my feral colonies. Perhaps it's just a rationalization to help me cope with not being able to fully protect the "wild" cats that I love, but I am convinced that they would not be living as full or as happy a life if they were forced to live in captivity. So, as it's too late to not make this a long-winded response, I'll try to at least cut it short... Should the experts update their websites? You bet they should. Part of the problem is that the updating we are looking for is mostly from anequdotal evidence and the experts don't put a great deal of credence in what guardians like us have discovered. At the same time, no one seems willing to do the studies that might back up what we've learned here. There are still many vets that don't think shutting the pos away in it's own room is enough of a precaution. These are the vets that take it a step further and advocate euthanasia of asymptomatic cats,
not only for the

Re: Safety first? - On my soapbox again

2006-06-26 Thread Belinda

When my vet and I discussed shots this last time, in March I 
believe, she told me may cats have had shots for long enough that they 
didn't need anymore, they were protected for life.  I did get them all 
the FeLV shot but that's all they got.  They won't even need that now, 
so no more shots period for them, with my vet;s blessing.


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Re: Testing saliva for FeLV (was 'interesting')

2006-06-26 Thread Gloria Lane

I've been in that situation and mixed an FELV/FIV cat with my  
FELV's.  The FIV isn't that contagious so I figured why not.   The  
FELV is considered somewhat more contagious.  I'd say go for it.


Gloria


On Jun 26, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Tad Burnett wrote:


Just curious...How do you figure that ???
Tad

catatonya wrote:

The danger (if any) would be to the fiv cat..

t

Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking of having to decide I was just asked if I would take  
a young cat that is both FeLV+ and FIV+...
How much risk does this add to my 10 FeLV+ cats??? This cat is  
supposed to be otherwise healthy but
its like having a double whammy against his immune system and is  
that asking for trouble.
I had a double pos once before and he came down with a 107 fever  
shortly after I got him and we fought
it with much time spent in a cage at the vets for the next 3 weeks  
and then we let him go...
This cat will be PTS tomorrow if I don't take him  Help.. What  
to do???

Tad..

Belinda wrote:
   Here are my beliefs and why I think about things the way I do,  
I understand not everyone believes the way I do but I don't want  
anyone thinking I'm being flip when I say what I say:


It's possible to ride my bike down the street and get hit, that  
doesn't mean I will never ride my bike down the street again.   
All things in life happen when it is time for them to happen, if  
I am suppose to die of old age at 95 then nothing is going to  
change that no matter what I expose myself to.  That is what I  
believe.  We give ourselves too much credit for having control  
over everything, we all decided what our lives would be when we  
arrived here and it will run it's course as it was planned long  
ago.  Guess you can tell I believe in more than just here and  
now!:)


 Here's my take on it.  The experts tell me that it is  
possible to be struck by lightening in a thunderstorm.  Me - I've  
been outside countless times when it started storming - and I've  
never been struck and neither has anyone in my family or anyone I  
know.  Do the weather experts need to update their websites and  
literature?  I'm thinking it might be a good idea to think long  
and hard before standing out in the rain with a metal pole.  Now  
- I don't know if it's easier to be struck by lightening than for  
casual contact FeVL contamination to occur - I simply do not know  
the odds...but if it's possible - I surely do want to know and  
take some precautions where appropriate. 
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Re: Testing saliva for FeLV (was 'interesting')

2006-06-26 Thread Gloria Lane

Don't want to answer for Tonya of course!  But she probably figures  
because FIV and /or FELV indicate a lowered immune system,  
consequently more susceptible to catching things.  Correct me if I'm  
wrong, Tonya..


Gloria



On Jun 26, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Tad Burnett wrote:


Just curious...How do you figure that ???
Tad

catatonya wrote:

The danger (if any) would be to the fiv cat..

t

Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking of having to decide I was just asked if I would take  
a young cat that is both FeLV+ and FIV+...
How much risk does this add to my 10 FeLV+ cats??? This cat is  
supposed to be otherwise healthy but
its like having a double whammy against his immune system and is  
that asking for trouble.
I had a double pos once before and he came down with a 107 fever  
shortly after I got him and we fought
it with much time spent in a cage at the vets for the next 3 weeks  
and then we let him go...
This cat will be PTS tomorrow if I don't take him  Help.. What  
to do???

Tad..

Belinda wrote:
   Here are my beliefs and why I think about things the way I do,  
I understand not everyone believes the way I do but I don't want  
anyone thinking I'm being flip when I say what I say:


It's possible to ride my bike down the street and get hit, that  
doesn't mean I will never ride my bike down the street again.   
All things in life happen when it is time for them to happen, if  
I am suppose to die of old age at 95 then nothing is going to  
change that no matter what I expose myself to.  That is what I  
believe.  We give ourselves too much credit for having control  
over everything, we all decided what our lives would be when we  
arrived here and it will run it's course as it was planned long  
ago.  Guess you can tell I believe in more than just here and  
now!:)


 Here's my take on it.  The experts tell me that it is  
possible to be struck by lightening in a thunderstorm.  Me - I've  
been outside countless times when it started storming - and I've  
never been struck and neither has anyone in my family or anyone I  
know.  Do the weather experts need to update their websites and  
literature?  I'm thinking it might be a good idea to think long  
and hard before standing out in the rain with a metal pole.  Now  
- I don't know if it's easier to be struck by lightening than for  
casual contact FeVL contamination to occur - I simply do not know  
the odds...but if it's possible - I surely do want to know and  
take some precautions where appropriate. 
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Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-26 Thread Belinda

  Also I'd try the feliway dispensers.  And if none of that shows 
promise I'd try the kitty prozac ( I don't remember what it's called.)  



It's fluxotine, may have to use it again with Cody ...

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Re: Testing saliva for FeLV (was 'interesting')

2006-06-26 Thread Tad Burnett

That sort of was my biggest worry... But not that my 10 cats who were 
here in isolation for 3 months or more since the last new comer arrived 
but that the new kitty was in a shelter and with her immune system might 
be picking up what ever...


Anyway I posted this question last Wed. and at that time the biggest 
threat to her was the vets appointment the next morning to PTS...
I said I would take her so the appointment was changed to spay and the 
vet gave her a very strong health report after that...

She came home on Sat. and is in isolation cage here but still doing fine...
Tad

Gloria Lane wrote:

Don't want to answer for Tonya of course!  But she probably figures  
because FIV and /or FELV indicate a lowered immune system,  
consequently more susceptible to catching things.  Correct me if I'm  
wrong, Tonya..


Gloria



On Jun 26, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Tad Burnett wrote:


Just curious...How do you figure that ???
Tad

catatonya wrote:


The danger (if any) would be to the fiv cat..

t

Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking of having to decide I was just asked if I would take  a 
young cat that is both FeLV+ and FIV+...
How much risk does this add to my 10 FeLV+ cats??? This cat is  
supposed to be otherwise healthy but
its like having a double whammy against his immune system and is  
that asking for trouble.
I had a double pos once before and he came down with a 107 fever  
shortly after I got him and we fought
it with much time spent in a cage at the vets for the next 3 weeks  
and then we let him go...
This cat will be PTS tomorrow if I don't take him  Help.. What  
to do???

Tad..

Belinda wrote:

   Here are my beliefs and why I think about things the way I do,  
I understand not everyone believes the way I do but I don't want  
anyone thinking I'm being flip when I say what I say:


It's possible to ride my bike down the street and get hit, that  
doesn't mean I will never ride my bike down the street again.   All 
things in life happen when it is time for them to happen, if  I am 
suppose to die of old age at 95 then nothing is going to  change 
that no matter what I expose myself to.  That is what I  believe.  
We give ourselves too much credit for having control  over 
everything, we all decided what our lives would be when we  arrived 
here and it will run it's course as it was planned long  ago.  
Guess you can tell I believe in more than just here and  now!:)


 Here's my take on it.  The experts tell me that it is  
possible to be struck by lightening in a thunderstorm.  Me - I've  
been outside countless times when it started storming - and I've  
never been struck and neither has anyone in my family or anyone I  
know.  Do the weather experts need to update their websites and  
literature?  I'm thinking it might be a good idea to think long  
and hard before standing out in the rain with a metal pole.  Now  - 
I don't know if it's easier to be struck by lightening than for  
casual contact FeVL contamination to occur - I simply do not know  
the odds...but if it's possible - I surely do want to know and  
take some precautions where appropriate. 
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Re: help!

Prayers going out to your furbaby.  Please keep us
posted on what the vet finds.  

:)
Wendy

--- l.j. crabtree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 when she was disgnosed about 6 months ago i
 prescribed to your list and she seemed to be doing
 we got much information to make living with he felv
 better.
 
 my 9 yr. old Felv kitten is very ill...we had a very
 stressful appointment and will never go back to that
 vet again, even though he came highly recommended.
 he manhandled her and she never really seemed the
 same after that.
  
 i researched my options and also lurked here to get
 infor regarding minnie's maintenance. .. she
 receives a wonderful fresh diet now and also a
 number of suppliments y'all have been so sweet to
 recommend. she seemed to be maintaining until about
 2-3 weeks ago then i noticed she had not been
 defecating for a few days... and a mass in her
 abdomen. it was last weekend that i rushed her to
 our animal emergency clinic. i had a sneaking
 feeling that she might be impacted.
  
 the doctors seemed very capable and very caring.
 they found her to be slightly dehydrated and a high
 fever... they stabilized her with IV meds, gave her
 two enemas on saturday then took some radiograms...
 they did not see anything that seemed like a tumor.
 the doc stuck a syringe into the area and drew out
 fluid which showed she had a bad infection, probably
 an abcess.
 they sedated her and sure neough there was an
 abcess. they placed two drains in her abdomen, and i
 got to bring her home, with orders to give her
 claamox for a week and return to have the tubes
 removed. she seemed to be doing better until mid
 week when i noticed no bowel movement ( or at least
 i didn't see where she had produced), and she wasn't
 as perky. took her back friday, they removed the
 tubes. her appetite was good (gave her pumpkin which
 she readily ate with her meal) over the weekend and
 the first part of the week. she has not had a bowel
 movement but still is leaking some of the pus from
 her anus. i am going to take her into another vet
 tomorrow, if i can sneak her in.
  
 any ideas/obsevations? i am so afraid this is it
  
  
  
  


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2006-06-26 Thread veggiepugs

Hi All-
I had written a few days ago to ask about teeth. I took Wowie to the vet 
yesterday and he is not eating but not beacuse of his teeth. He is not well and 
in fact, his health has taken a turn for the worst. The prognosis is not good 
and neither is my state of mind. I have to make a decision this week. His blood 
work came back showing he is anemic, his bilirubin levels are high, his RBC 
count is also high, WBC count is low. She said he doesn't have much time. She 
also said she believes he is younger than the 5 years that most vets had 
estimated. She gave me steriods to try and get him to eat and clavimox. I don't 
know what to say. I'm at a loss. Though I knew this day would come when I took 
him in just 7 months ago, it could still never be easy. 
Thanks for listening.
Rebecca

CLS Monday june 26th, 2006

2006-06-26 Thread Belinda


Hi All,
  Here is the Candle Light Service for today, my condolences to all who 
have lost a furchild recently and my prayers for those who have sick 
furkids that they may fully recover.   Please let me know if I have 
missed anyone.


FeLV Candlelight Service
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Re: CLS Monday june 26th, 2006

2006-06-26 Thread Sherry DeHaan

Belinda,could you please add a few more of my furry friends to the services for next week?  Mini,Hilary and Loralei all 3 felv 6-2-2006  Kasmir felv 6-14-2006  Edgar 6-14-2006  Mowgli felv 5-31-06Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi All,Here is the Candle Light Service for today, my condolences to all who have lost a furchild recently and my prayers for those who have sick furkids that they may fully recover. Please let me know if I have missed anyone.FeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/cls-- Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting
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Re: Everybody's talent




will do!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gina 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:43 AM
  Subject: Re: Everybody's talent
  
  I would definately like to havea copy when it is ready. Let 
  me know :)
  
  Gina
  gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



I decided to record it onto CD 
first as my stepson has the equipment, so we finally did that 
yesterday. Have to go back and re-record a few screw-ups, 
though!! It ended up being 85 min. long, and I did it all in one 
sitting! So after we touch-up, I would like to see about adding some 
background music and I have to learn how to make CD covers and 
inserts. Happy to send you, or anyone else on the list,one for 
free when it's done, if you would like. I'm going to add a PayPal on 
the site so that it will be available that way, and then I'm going to try 
some of my step-brother's ideas!! Then I may still put it in book form 
if there seems to be any demand for it. Thanks for asking and thanks 
for posting a link!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gina 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:19 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Everybody's talent
  
  I put a link to both your websites on my cats' site. Kris, I 
  have just started reading your Blog. I am up to May 09. Are 
  you in the process of publishing your book? How is that going?
  
  Ginagwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  I 
just got to look at Bailey's website - I think it is so nice that you do 
a site for him, and I'm glad to know others are using the 'net this 
way, as I am, to tell their stories and save other pets from early 
fates. And you're right - they're cute from any angle!! :) If you 
don't mind, I am going to put a link on my site for Spaz to yours. I 
will also send her story and a few pics to your site when I get some 
more time. Thanks for the offer!! I would like to change Spaz's all 
around so that I can have other people's stories as well, among 
other things. It was the first and only website I've ever done, so 
there's a lot to 
learn!Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com- 
Original Message - From: "Belinda" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: 
Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:30 AMSubject: Re: Everybody's 
talent Hubby works his behind off so I can be home with 
the furkids all day  and do free websites for animal rescues. 
Mostly customizing their  petfinder sites, I also do a website 
for one of my yahoo talk groups. A  few of my animal rescue 
clients have their own domains and I design and  maintain their 
websites also. I have a few paying clients and own and run  a 
small web hosting company. I don't really make any money but I break 
 even on the hosting company so that's all that 
matters. I work with about 30 rescue groups, thank 
goodness they don't all update  on a regular basis or I'd be in 
big trouble, as it is I'm so far behind  now with the website 
updating that it's really hard to keep up and it's  going to 
take me awhile to get caught up if I ever do. Looking for a  
hobby??!! I'm working on a new site that is dedicated to 
Bailey my sweet positive  that I lost in May. I haven't really 
had time lately to do much with it.  If anyone would like to 
contribute an article or some good links for info,  please send 
them, Or if you'd like to send your positives story/stories  and 
photos I would really love it (there's a form right on the site where 
 you can submit your story and photos)!! 
FeLVPositiveFelines.org 
http://FeLVPositiveFelines.org Well back to work 
... --  Belinda 
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Re: Everybody's talent

2006-06-26 Thread etrent


me tooo!

elizabeth

*Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.*
-Original Message-From: gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:43:42 -0400Subject: Re: Everybody's talent



will do!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

- Original Message - 
From: Gina 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: Everybody's talent

I would definately like to havea copy when it is ready. Let me know :)

Gina
gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I decided to record it onto CD first as my stepson has the equipment, so we finally did that yesterday. Have to go back and re-record a few screw-ups, though!! It ended up being 85 min. long, and I did it all in one sitting! So after we touch-up, I would like to see about adding some background music and I have to learn how to make CD covers and inserts. Happy to send you, or anyone else on the list,one for free when it's done, if you would like. I'm going to add a PayPal on the site so that it will be available that way, and then I'm going to try some of my step-brother's ideas!! Then I may still put it in book form if there seems to be any demand for it. Thanks for asking and thanks for posting a link!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

- Original Message - 
From: Gina 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Everybody's talent

I put a link to both your websites on my cats' site. Kris, I have just started reading your Blog. I am up to May 09. Are you in the process of publishing your book? How is that going?

Ginagwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just got to look at Bailey's website - I think it is so nice that you do a site for him, and I'm glad to know others are using the 'net this way, as I am, to tell their stories and save other pets from early fates. And you're right - they're cute from any angle!! :) If you don't mind, I am going to put a link on my site for Spaz to yours. I will also send her story and a few pics to your site when I get some more time. Thanks for the offer!! I would like to change Spaz's all around so that I can have other people's stories as well, among other things. It was the first and only website I've ever done, so there's a lot to learn!Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com- Original Message - From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:30 AMSubject: Re: Everybody's talent Hubby works his behind off so I can be home with the furkids all day  and do free websites for animal rescues. Mostly customizing their  petfinder sites, I also do a website for one of my yahoo talk groups. A  few of my animal rescue clients have their own domains and I design and  maintain their websites also. I have a few paying clients and own and run  a small web hosting company. I don't really make any money but I break  even on the hosting company so that's all that matters. I work with about 30 rescue groups, thank goodness they don't all update  on a regular basis or I'd be in big trouble, as it is I'm so far behind  now with the website updating that it's really hard to keep up and it's  going to take me awhile to get caught up if I ever do. Looking for a  hobby??!! I'm working on a new site that is dedicated to Bailey my sweet positive  that I lost in May. I haven't really had time lately to do much with it.  If anyone would like to contribute an article or some good links for info,  please send them, Or if you'd like to send your positives story/stories  and photos I would really love it (there's a form right on the site where  you can submit your story and photos)!! FeLVPositiveFelines.org http://FeLVPositiveFelines.org Well back to work ... --  Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting  web design] http://HostDesign4U.com  BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com 
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Re: Wowie

Hi Rebecca,

I am so saddened to hear your news about Wowie.  I
can't believe it's so soon that he's taken a turn for
the worst, but please don't give up hope.  Did the vet
say what type of anemia Wowie has?  Regenerative or
non-regenerative?  It's important to know this.  You
said his RBC count is high, but I am assuming you
meant low since he is anemic.  Did the vet mention
hemobartanella and using doxycycline just in case? 
Has the vet mentioned Epogen?  I'm not sure it's too
late for Epogen.  Someone here will know better than
me.  I will keep precious Wowie in my prayers and you
too.  Try to remain calm so you can make clear-headed
decisions and remember we are always here if you need
anything, anytime.  Please keep us posted.  

:)
Wendy

--- veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi All-
 I had written a few days ago to ask about teeth. I
 took Wowie to the vet yesterday and he is not eating
 but not beacuse of his teeth. He is not well and in
 fact, his health has taken a turn for the worst. The
 prognosis is not good and neither is my state of
 mind. I have to make a decision this week. His blood
 work came back showing he is anemic, his bilirubin
 levels are high, his RBC count is also high, WBC
 count is low. She said he doesn't have much time.
 She also said she believes he is younger than the 5
 years that most vets had estimated. She gave me
 steriods to try and get him to eat and clavimox. I
 don't know what to say. I'm at a loss. Though I knew
 this day would come when I took him in just 7 months
 ago, it could still never be easy. 
 Thanks for listening.
 Rebecca
 
 


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Re: Wowie

All I can tell you is about my experiences w/ Spaz.  Her PCV was down to 7% 
(anemia) when I got the diagnosis, and she was eight years old.  She would 
not eat, drink, or move.  Her bilirubin was high also.  The vet was quite 
scared for her.  He gave her a PREDNISOLONE injection and within 12 hours I 
had a completely different cat on my hands.  A few years later, when she had 
another round with severe anemia, our new vet (we had moved) tried 
Depo-Medrol, and though three vets said it should do the same as 
prednisolone, it did NOT.  It did not help any whatsoever.  I have no idea 
why.  I insisted on a prednisolone injection, and she is alive, healthy, and 
happy more than 2 years later at the age of almost 14 (not to say we haven't 
had some other issues, but only one major - a URI).  But at the time, all 
the doctors thought she would not make it.  I will let the others tell you 
about all the other drugs, etc.  that can aid your kitty as they have more 
experience than I do with them.  But I will tell you, at least in my 
experience, that it ain't over 'til it's over!!  Best wishes to you and 
Wowie.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Wowie



Hi All-
I had written a few days ago to ask about teeth. I took Wowie to the vet 
yesterday and he is not eating but not beacuse of his teeth. He is not 
well and in fact, his health has taken a turn for the worst. The prognosis 
is not good and neither is my state of mind. I have to make a decision 
this week. His blood work came back showing he is anemic, his bilirubin 
levels are high, his RBC count is also high, WBC count is low. She said he 
doesn't have much time. She also said she believes he is younger than the 
5 years that most vets had estimated. She gave me steriods to try and get 
him to eat and clavimox. I don't know what to say. I'm at a loss. Though I 
knew this day would come when I took him in just 7 months ago, it could 
still never be easy.

Thanks for listening.
Rebecca

Re: Wowie

I forgot also that one time when Spaz had a minor bout with anemia, the new 
vet had just dispensed up pred. tablets.  Personally, I would not go that 
route, especially with severe anemia.  Need a strong injection to get 
jump-started, then pills for maintenance and weaning.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Wowie



Hi All-
I had written a few days ago to ask about teeth. I took Wowie to the vet 
yesterday and he is not eating but not beacuse of his teeth. He is not 
well and in fact, his health has taken a turn for the worst. The prognosis 
is not good and neither is my state of mind. I have to make a decision 
this week. His blood work came back showing he is anemic, his bilirubin 
levels are high, his RBC count is also high, WBC count is low. She said he 
doesn't have much time. She also said she believes he is younger than the 
5 years that most vets had estimated. She gave me steriods to try and get 
him to eat and clavimox. I don't know what to say. I'm at a loss. Though I 
knew this day would come when I took him in just 7 months ago, it could 
still never be easy.

Thanks for listening.
Rebecca

to Wendy re: kitty handbook




Wendy, I hate to ask this, but could 
you please resend the handbook? We had a virus or something in the 
computer and it deleted all our inbox and email to keep, which is where I had 
the manual. I would've printed it, but unfortunately, both of our printers 
have broken. Not good luck in the computer realm lately :( Got to go 
get a new printer soon! Thanks so much!

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Samanth's starting to go downhill :(

2006-06-26 Thread Julia Hagstrom

I had to rush Samantha to vet, today, to get the fluid drained out of 
her again (this makes the third time).  When I took her today, the vet 
said they didn't get much fluid, and she thought the tumor was getting 
bigger, and was pressing on her lungs, making it hard for her to 
breathe.  This also makes it hard for her to eat, and all she's had all 
day was some milk, which she took after I got home; before that, this 
morning, she wouldn't eat or drink anything, even water.  She's still 
having intermittent fevers, and I'm really worried about her.  What can 
I do for her?  Anyone have any suggestions?  Would force-feeding help 
her?  The vet did have me double her Prednisone dose, as the Cancer 
Center had me giving it to her twice a day for five days, then once a 
day, for 10 days, but it doesn't seem to be helping as much, on the 
once a day thing.  I went bowling today, and the friend I was with 
mentioned that I needed a laugh, when the lady behind the counter put 
our names on the computerized scoreboard, and she said she has a mama 
cat who is due to give birth anytime.  She offered me a kitten, and I 
gave her my name and phone number, so she can call me after the cat 
gives birth.  She said it would be at least a month before the kittens 
were ready to leave their mom, and my kitty will probably be gone by 
then.  The way she's been this weekend and today, I don't think she'll 
last more than a week, if that.  We'll see, but I think her time is 
coming pretty fast now.  Please put her in your prayers, as she needs 
all the help she can get. Please keep her in your prayers, and please 
put her on the list for the candlelight service, as I don't think 
she'll last much longer.  Thanks!


Julia Hagstrom

Re: wendy/prayers

spoken like a true southerner...

:)
Wendy

--- l.j. crabtree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 
   
 thanks girlie
  
 OMG!! had a very sad, but awesome visit with the NEW
 vet. she is straighforward and very loving. woman!!
 sheis awesome...she was so tender with minnie and
 such a soulful and respectful physician sheis
 convinced the growths are tumors ( i suspected as
 much but wan't to ride my denial boat a bit), but
 was stymied about why the docs had taken out the
 tubes so early since there was still evidence of
 draining. she saw no signs of constipation.
  
 put is on some new and better antibiotics and gave
 her some sub-q liquids, as she was a tiny bit
 dehydrated ( what causes this? she is eating well..)
  she is perkier than she has been !  my doc was very
 candid with me about timelines and such but tempered
 that with medical support to make minnie's quality
 of life much better until it is time i am so
 grasteful as minnie is so worthy of that... she is
 the sweetest and most precious kitten i have ever
 known and loved...
  
 thank you for your kind support y'all..
 lj


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Re: Samanth's starting to go downhill :(

2006-06-26 Thread Julia Hagstrom


What's A/D  Thanks!

Julia

On Monday, June 26, 2006, at 07:03  PM, wendy wrote:


Julia,

I am so sorry that Samantha is not responding to her
treatments.  Rubbing alcohol on the pads of her feet
is supposed to help bring down fevers, but I've never
tried it.  I would definitely get some A/D from your
local vet and syringe feet it to her if you can.  It
might make her more comfortable, or it might not.  I
will pray for comfort for her, and for you.

:)
Wendy

--- Julia Hagstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


I had to rush Samantha to vet, today, to get the
fluid drained out of
her again (this makes the third time).  When I took
her today, the vet
said they didn't get much fluid, and she thought the
tumor was getting
bigger, and was pressing on her lungs, making it
hard for her to
breathe.  This also makes it hard for her to eat,
and all she's had all
day was some milk, which she took after I got home;
before that, this
morning, she wouldn't eat or drink anything, even
water.  She's still
having intermittent fevers, and I'm really worried
about her.  What can
I do for her?  Anyone have any suggestions?  Would
force-feeding help
her?  The vet did have me double her Prednisone
dose, as the Cancer
Center had me giving it to her twice a day for five
days, then once a
day, for 10 days, but it doesn't seem to be helping
as much, on the
once a day thing.  I went bowling today, and the
friend I was with
mentioned that I needed a laugh, when the lady
behind the counter put
our names on the computerized scoreboard, and she
said she has a mama
cat who is due to give birth anytime.  She offered
me a kitten, and I
gave her my name and phone number, so she can call
me after the cat
gives birth.  She said it would be at least a month
before the kittens
were ready to leave their mom, and my kitty will
probably be gone by
then.  The way she's been this weekend and today, I
don't think she'll
last more than a week, if that.  We'll see, but I
think her time is
coming pretty fast now.  Please put her in your
prayers, as she needs
all the help she can get. Please keep her in your
prayers, and please
put her on the list for the candlelight service, as
I don't think
she'll last much longer.  Thanks!

Julia Hagstrom






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Re: Samanth's starting to go downhill :(

It stands for anorexic diet.  It's a prescription food
and you can only get it at a vets as far as I know.  

--- Julia Hagstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 What's A/D  Thanks!
 
 Julia
 
 On Monday, June 26, 2006, at 07:03  PM, wendy wrote:
 
  Julia,
 
  I am so sorry that Samantha is not responding to
 her
  treatments.  Rubbing alcohol on the pads of her
 feet
  is supposed to help bring down fevers, but I've
 never
  tried it.  I would definitely get some A/D from
 your
  local vet and syringe feet it to her if you can. 
 It
  might make her more comfortable, or it might not. 
 I
  will pray for comfort for her, and for you.
 
  :)
  Wendy
 
  --- Julia Hagstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  I had to rush Samantha to vet, today, to get the
  fluid drained out of
  her again (this makes the third time).  When I
 took
  her today, the vet
  said they didn't get much fluid, and she thought
 the
  tumor was getting
  bigger, and was pressing on her lungs, making it
  hard for her to
  breathe.  This also makes it hard for her to eat,
  and all she's had all
  day was some milk, which she took after I got
 home;
  before that, this
  morning, she wouldn't eat or drink anything, even
  water.  She's still
  having intermittent fevers, and I'm really
 worried
  about her.  What can
  I do for her?  Anyone have any suggestions? 
 Would
  force-feeding help
  her?  The vet did have me double her Prednisone
  dose, as the Cancer
  Center had me giving it to her twice a day for
 five
  days, then once a
  day, for 10 days, but it doesn't seem to be
 helping
  as much, on the
  once a day thing.  I went bowling today, and the
  friend I was with
  mentioned that I needed a laugh, when the lady
  behind the counter put
  our names on the computerized scoreboard, and she
  said she has a mama
  cat who is due to give birth anytime.  She
 offered
  me a kitten, and I
  gave her my name and phone number, so she can
 call
  me after the cat
  gives birth.  She said it would be at least a
 month
  before the kittens
  were ready to leave their mom, and my kitty will
  probably be gone by
  then.  The way she's been this weekend and today,
 I
  don't think she'll
  last more than a week, if that.  We'll see, but I
  think her time is
  coming pretty fast now.  Please put her in your
  prayers, as she needs
  all the help she can get. Please keep her in your
  prayers, and please
  put her on the list for the candlelight service,
 as
  I don't think
  she'll last much longer.  Thanks!
 
  Julia Hagstrom
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Samanth's starting to go downhill :(

2006-06-26 Thread Julia Hagstrom


Ok, thanks :)

Julia

On Monday, June 26, 2006, at 07:32  PM, wendy wrote:


It stands for anorexic diet.  It's a prescription food
and you can only get it at a vets as far as I know.

--- Julia Hagstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


What's A/D  Thanks!

Julia

On Monday, June 26, 2006, at 07:03  PM, wendy wrote:


Julia,

I am so sorry that Samantha is not responding to

her

treatments.  Rubbing alcohol on the pads of her

feet

is supposed to help bring down fevers, but I've

never

tried it.  I would definitely get some A/D from

your

local vet and syringe feet it to her if you can.

It

might make her more comfortable, or it might not.

I

will pray for comfort for her, and for you.

:)
Wendy

--- Julia Hagstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


I had to rush Samantha to vet, today, to get the
fluid drained out of
her again (this makes the third time).  When I

took

her today, the vet
said they didn't get much fluid, and she thought

the

tumor was getting
bigger, and was pressing on her lungs, making it
hard for her to
breathe.  This also makes it hard for her to eat,
and all she's had all
day was some milk, which she took after I got

home;

before that, this
morning, she wouldn't eat or drink anything, even
water.  She's still
having intermittent fevers, and I'm really

worried

about her.  What can
I do for her?  Anyone have any suggestions?

Would

force-feeding help
her?  The vet did have me double her Prednisone
dose, as the Cancer
Center had me giving it to her twice a day for

five

days, then once a
day, for 10 days, but it doesn't seem to be

helping

as much, on the
once a day thing.  I went bowling today, and the
friend I was with
mentioned that I needed a laugh, when the lady
behind the counter put
our names on the computerized scoreboard, and she
said she has a mama
cat who is due to give birth anytime.  She

offered

me a kitten, and I
gave her my name and phone number, so she can

call

me after the cat
gives birth.  She said it would be at least a

month

before the kittens
were ready to leave their mom, and my kitty will
probably be gone by
then.  The way she's been this weekend and today,

I

don't think she'll
last more than a week, if that.  We'll see, but I
think her time is
coming pretty fast now.  Please put her in your
prayers, as she needs
all the help she can get. Please keep her in your
prayers, and please
put her on the list for the candlelight service,

as

I don't think
she'll last much longer.  Thanks!

Julia Hagstrom






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Re: Samanth's starting to go downhill :(

2006-06-26 Thread moonvine

They sell it at our PetSmart here, but you have to have a prescription 
from your vet.  

- Original Message -
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, June 26, 2006 7:32 pm
Subject: Re: Samanth's starting to go downhill :(
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 It stands for anorexic diet.  It's a prescription food
 and you can only get it at a vets as far as I know.  

 --- Julia Hagstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  What's A/D  Thanks!

  Julia

  On Monday, June 26, 2006, at 07:03  PM, wendy wrote:

   Julia,

   I am so sorry that Samantha is not responding to
  her
   treatments.  Rubbing alcohol on the pads of her
  feet
   is supposed to help bring down fevers, but I've
  never
   tried it.  I would definitely get some A/D from
  your
   local vet and syringe feet it to her if you can. 
  It
   might make her more comfortable, or it might not. 
  I
   will pray for comfort for her, and for you.

   :)
   Wendy

   --- Julia Hagstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:

   I had to rush Samantha to vet, today, to get the
   fluid drained out of
   her again (this makes the third time).  When I
  took
   her today, the vet
   said they didn't get much fluid, and she thought
  the
   tumor was getting
   bigger, and was pressing on her lungs, making it
   hard for her to
   breathe.  This also makes it hard for her to eat,
   and all she's had all
   day was some milk, which she took after I got
  home;
   before that, this
   morning, she wouldn't eat or drink anything, even
   water.  She's still
   having intermittent fevers, and I'm really
  worried
   about her.  What can
   I do for her?  Anyone have any suggestions? 
  Would
   force-feeding help
   her?  The vet did have me double her Prednisone
   dose, as the Cancer
   Center had me giving it to her twice a day for
  five
   days, then once a
   day, for 10 days, but it doesn't seem to be
  helping
   as much, on the
   once a day thing.  I went bowling today, and the
   friend I was with
   mentioned that I needed a laugh, when the lady
   behind the counter put
   our names on the computerized scoreboard, and she
   said she has a mama
   cat who is due to give birth anytime.  She
  offered
   me a kitten, and I
   gave her my name and phone number, so she can
  call
   me after the cat
   gives birth.  She said it would be at least a
  month
   before the kittens
   were ready to leave their mom, and my kitty will
   probably be gone by
   then.  The way she's been this weekend and today,
  I
   don't think she'll
   last more than a week, if that.  We'll see, but I
   think her time is
   coming pretty fast now.  Please put her in your
   prayers, as she needs
   all the help she can get. Please keep her in your
   prayers, and please
   put her on the list for the candlelight service,
  as
   I don't think
   she'll last much longer.  Thanks!

   Julia Hagstrom

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Re: Samanth's starting to go downhill :(

2006-06-26 Thread Lance


Julia,

I'm so sorry that you and Samantha are going through this, but I'm  
thankful she has such a caring mom. Both of you will be in our  
prayers tonight.


Lance

Re: OT: Finding last minute flights to Vegas/Arizona

2006-06-26 Thread ETrent





Have you checked expedia.com? I see one that leaves at 6:40pm on Fri 
($1258) and one that leaves Fri 9:45pm for $1058 - both round trip - both 
American Airlines...plenty of flights back on the 4th...not cheap but the time 
might work.


In a message dated 6/26/2006 9:59:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey 
  guys,I wanted to vent a bit and also to ask for youradvice. 
  My husband and I have had, since February, agreat trip planned for this 
  weekend, to visit Vegas,the Grand Canyon, and Best Friends Animal 
  Sanctuary. We already paid for everything and then three weeksago we 
  cancelled everything because he didn't tell hisboss when he interviewed 
  that he already had avacation planned and he didn't want to ask off 
  twoweeks into a new job. So now we find out today he ISoff 
  Monday the 3rd, and I'm sick because all the restof my family will be 
  there and we're stuck here. Theairline tickets went from 238$ to 
  960$. Go figure. It makes me sick that they do that. Anyway, 
  we'retrying to book through Site 59, but the only thing wecan find is 
  leaving Friday morning, which he can't do.Any suggestions for cheap 
  flights on AA to Vegas orPhoenix for Friday night or Saturday 
  morning?:)Wendy 
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Re: OT: Finding last minute flights to Vegas/Arizona