Re: TN but transport available - URGENT FeLV+ kitten needs foster or home ASAP
as they've been telling me for years, it ain't pretty being easy. On 3/13/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easily influenced by MC, of course... Gloria On Mar 12, 2007, at 4:41 PM, TenHouseCats wrote: we've found her a safe place to recuperate--she's doing much better, responding to the meds. HIP HIP MEOW!!! (thanks to our anonymous list member with a penchant for calico felvs..) On 3/10/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do we know ANYONE who could foster this little one long enough to give her at least the chance to live? (and yes, susan, i DID send on the info re: the vet tech in TX, tho that's a LONG way for such a frail baby!) MC PERMISSION TO CROSSPOST FAR AND WIDE Hi everyone, Precious is a small Torti female kitten that the vet thinks is 4-5 months old even though she is the size of a 3 month old and sadly she has tested positive to FeLV. Currently she is fighting upper respitory and the vet is giving her a 50/50 chance of making it. She is purring and just so sweet so the vet didn't want to euthanize her but she can only stay there over the weekend and by Monday a decision needs to be made. Due to her URI she has not been well enough to be spayed or have her vaccinations but if we can find a foster who has either a spare room or a large crate and can foster her all her medication and Interferon will be provided. Once she is well from her URI we will have her spayed and vaccinated but right now she is just in need of a safe place to rest and get well. We really want to give this sweet girl a chance to live and once she is safe in a foster we will begin to look for a permanent place for her but right now we just need a safe place for her to get well. I am currently set to no mail because of my upcoming cross country move so please do not reply to the group but instead contact Tina or myself directly at the emails or phone number below if you can help. Thank you! Tina in TN [EMAIL PROTECTED] (615) 796-3438 Kim in VA [EMAIL PROTECTED] __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Special needshttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJjb2hrNjczBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDMjQ2NjEyMQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDczNTc1MzcEc2VjA3NsbW9kBHN0aW1lAzExNzM1NDAzNzI-?t=msk=Special+needsw1=Special+needsw2=Pet+cat+toyw3=Rescuew4=Pet+animalw5=Pet+catc=5s=77g=0.sig=vUUBNMu1ZugSTv5Hhd1hSw Pet cat toyhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbzlwMXNjBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBF9wAzIEZ3JwSWQDMjQ2NjEyMQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDczNTc1MzcEc2VjA3NsbW9kBHN0aW1lAzExNzM1NDAzNzI-?t=msk=Pet+cat+toyw1=Special+needsw2=Pet+cat+toyw3=Rescuew4=Pet+animalw5=Pet+catc=5s=77g=0.sig=aREIkriS7de0i8oiJ_glaA Rescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbjh1a2lxBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBF9wAzMEZ3JwSWQDMjQ2NjEyMQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDczNTc1MzcEc2VjA3NsbW9kBHN0aW1lAzExNzM1NDAzNzI-?t=msk=Rescuew1=Special+needsw2=Pet+cat+toyw3=Rescuew4=Pet+animalw5=Pet+catc=5s=77g=0.sig=Dpbq1Sdy_QskP9edkzqEzQ Pet animalhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJjb3ZyMHVuBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBF9wAzQEZ3JwSWQDMjQ2NjEyMQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDczNTc1MzcEc2VjA3NsbW9kBHN0aW1lAzExNzM1NDAzNzI-?t=msk=Pet+animalw1=Special+needsw2=Pet+cat+toyw3=Rescuew4=Pet+animalw5=Pet+catc=5s=77g=0.sig=NTMYicGc9seD7X7JCAJbJQ Pet cathttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYjE5ZjA5BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBF9wAzUEZ3JwSWQDMjQ2NjEyMQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDczNTc1MzcEc2VjA3NsbW9kBHN0aW1lAzExNzM1NDAzNzI-?t=msk=Pet+catw1=Special+needsw2=Pet+cat+toyw3=Rescuew4=Pet+animalw5=Pet+catc=5s=77g=0.sig=kIgrEjuAi9u9caw7_I9Ehw Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Webhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Special_Needs_Rescue_Cats/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdDBvMzlwBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzI0NjYxMjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MzU3NTM3BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3N0bmdzBHN0aW1lAzExNzM1NDAzNzI-(Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest [EMAIL PROTECTED]:+Digest| Switch to Fully Featured [EMAIL PROTECTED]:+Fully+Featured Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Special_Needs_Rescue_Cats;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcXZrZm8yBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzI0NjYxMjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MzU3NTM3BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2hwZgRzdGltZQMxMTczNTQwMzcy| Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ | Unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] __,_._,___ -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: New Strain of Calicivirus - Scare talk and vaccine hype
Thanks for that tid-bit, I will add it to my site.. someday. My weekly Sunday update day was all shot to hell this week, as my ISP was offline due to our wonderful government deciding to make daylight savings time change a month early... think Y2K... same type of issue. Now I'm way over a week behind! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Winn Feline Foundation Announces 2007 Grant Recipients
some very valid studies in there, I look forward to seeing the results of more than one! Can you quote the URL of the page you copied that from MC? (or was it in an email?) I'll add the link to my site if it's got a webpage. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Hello, I am new to this form of discussion
Hemobartonella is completely curable, even in FELV+ cats. Don't throw in the towel just yet! Keep up with the treatment, and it's likely your baby will be just fine! It is good to know of the FELV status anyways, but I certainly wouldn't assume that the FELV has become symptomatic just because the cat caught hemobart. The two things are often totally unrelated. Cats without FELV do catch Hemobart, and cats that caught Hemobart are often not FELV positive! Keep a positive outlook, and ASSUME your cat will recover fully from the Hemobart, that is the right way to go about approaching this circumstance. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
BIG TEST QUESTION
if anyone out there has any reliable statistics on how many cats tested negative for FELV,,and then after living with positive kitties converted i would sure like to know, i just have this gut feeling that it is so very very few. i think frequently one cat may be positive and the others never tested unless they become ill and wow,,,they are positive,,and yet they may have been positive all their lives but just asymptomatic, Those are the valuable statistics..those are the statistics that cause healthy FELV cats to be PTS ( killed) most of us here seem to have the experience of no transmission in adult cats, The only way to be sure is if a cat was once negativeTHEN became infected,,,and positive, Kelly
Re: Thanks! sub-q fluid help
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Re: BIG TEST QUESTION
At 01:21 PM 3/13/2007, you wrote: i just really wonder how many are just actually born with it or acquire it from their moms and are unable to throw the virus, We have finally come to realize how hard it is to get FIV and now it is time to really get some truthful answers about FELV kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com i don't think that reliable research on that exists (remember, hard to do research on a population you regularly treat with euthanasia.) what i do know, is that there are no, zip, zilch, nada DOCUMENTED cases of truly negative cats (ie, cats who were tested at appropriate intervals using more than just the snap test, more than once) who were VACCINATED ever turning positive from living closely with truly positive cats (see above description) i have heard some anecdotal stories where vaccinated cats have caught FeLV from the positive, but there's never been any proof that the cat was actually negative to start with, just as you say. if anyone can find me a documented case, i'll be unhappy, but i'd still like to see it--i find it very interesting that after all these years, no one's been able to find such documentation.. On 3/13/07, Kelly L mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if anyone out there has any reliable statistics on how many cats tested negative for FELV,,and then after living with positive kitties converted i would sure like to know, i just have this gut feeling that it is so very very few. i think frequently one cat may be positive and the others never tested unless they become ill and wow,,,they are positive,,and yet they may have been positive all their lives but just asymptomatic, Those are the valuable statistics..those are the statistics that cause healthy FELV cats to be PTS ( killed) most of us here seem to have the experience of no transmission in adult cats, The only way to be sure is if a cat was once negativeTHEN became infected,,,and positive, Kelly -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 3/12/2007
Re: BIG TEST QUESTION
the latest stuff i've read--forgive me, those of you who want attribution, i'll find it again one of these days, really!--it may NOT primarily be passed in utero like it was once thought, but through mom's mucous membranes during the birth PROCESS, and during the nursing/cleaning/nurturing days of tinybabyhood--this might help explain why we're seeing so many mixed litters, and moms who are negative with babies who test positive at one point or another... in a colony environment, that'd make sense. i also wonder if, since a litter can have as many dads as kittens, if there's an immune-response thing that's contributed by dad. On 3/13/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:21 PM 3/13/2007, you wrote: i just really wonder how many are just actually born with it or acquire it from their moms and are unable to throw the virus, We have finally come to realize how hard it is to get FIV and now it is time to really get some truthful answers about FELV kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com i don't think that reliable research on that exists (remember, hard to do research on a population you regularly treat with euthanasia.) what i do know, is that there are no, zip, zilch, nada DOCUMENTED cases of truly negative cats (ie, cats who were tested at appropriate intervals using more than just the snap test, more than once) who were VACCINATED ever turning positive from living closely with truly positive cats (see above description) i have heard some anecdotal stories where vaccinated cats have caught FeLV from the positive, but there's never been any proof that the cat was actually negative to start with, just as you say. if anyone can find me a documented case, i'll be unhappy, but i'd still like to see it--i find it very interesting that after all these years, no one's been able to find such documentation.. On 3/13/07, *Kelly L* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if anyone out there has any reliable statistics on how many cats tested negative for FELV,,and then after living with positive kitties converted i would sure like to know, i just have this gut feeling that it is so very very few. i think frequently one cat may be positive and the others never tested unless they become ill and wow,,,they are positive,,and yet they may have been positive all their lives but just asymptomatic, Those are the valuable statistics..those are the statistics that cause healthy FELV cats to be PTS ( killed) most of us here seem to have the experience of no transmission in adult cats, The only way to be sure is if a cat was once negativeTHEN became infected,,,and positive, Kelly -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Winn Feline Foundation Announces 2007 Grant Recipients
that was actually from an email from doc susan, but the official press release is at: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/Pages/Winn_2007_Grants_Press_Release.pdf On 3/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some very valid studies in there, I look forward to seeing the results of more than one! Can you quote the URL of the page you copied that from MC? (or was it in an email?) I'll add the link to my site if it's got a webpage. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: BIG TEST QUESTION
At 01:30 PM 3/13/2007, you wrote: Good points ..I know working in OB all the things a mom has that the baby does not get unless going through the birth canal, which is frequently a reason for C- sections,, i just want the TYPHOID MARRY attitude altered if possible,,,and then treat each cat for specific symptoms and not assume everything is FELV, i can say for certain with one FIV and one FELV..it is my other cats that drive up my vet bills with everything from CRF, DIABETES..IBD,,,and the thousands of other ailments and afflictions, I am preaching to the chiore here aren't I??? Kelly the latest stuff i've read--forgive me, those of you who want attribution, i'll find it again one of these days, really!--it may NOT primarily be passed in utero like it was once thought, but through mom's mucous membranes during the birth PROCESS, and during the nursing/cleaning/nurturing days of tinybabyhood--this might help explain why we're seeing so many mixed litters, and moms who are negative with babies who test positive at one point or another... in a colony environment, that'd make sense. i also wonder if, since a litter can have as many dads as kittens, if there's an immune-response thing that's contributed by dad. On 3/13/07, Kelly L mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:21 PM 3/13/2007, you wrote: i just really wonder how many are just actually born with it or acquire it from their moms and are unable to throw the virus, We have finally come to realize how hard it is to get FIV and now it is time to really get some truthful answers about FELV kelly http://www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com i don't think that reliable research on that exists (remember, hard to do research on a population you regularly treat with euthanasia.) what i do know, is that there are no, zip, zilch, nada DOCUMENTED cases of truly negative cats (ie, cats who were tested at appropriate intervals using more than just the snap test, more than once) who were VACCINATED ever turning positive from living closely with truly positive cats (see above description) i have heard some anecdotal stories where vaccinated cats have caught FeLV from the positive, but there's never been any proof that the cat was actually negative to start with, just as you say. if anyone can find me a documented case, i'll be unhappy, but i'd still like to see it--i find it very interesting that after all these years, no one's been able to find such documentation.. On 3/13/07, Kelly L mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if anyone out there has any reliable statistics on how many cats tested negative for FELV,,and then after living with positive kitties converted i would sure like to know, i just have this gut feeling that it is so very very few. i think frequently one cat may be positive and the others never tested unless they become ill and wow,,,they are positive,,and yet they may have been positive all their lives but just asymptomatic, Those are the valuable statistics..those are the statistics that cause healthy FELV cats to be PTS ( killed) most of us here seem to have the experience of no transmission in adult cats, The only way to be sure is if a cat was once negativeTHEN became infected,,,and positive, Kelly -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 3/12/2007
Re: Hello, I am new to this form of discussion
My cats all hated the pelleted paper litter. They prefer wood shavings. Non-clumping wood shavings. Cedarific is a good brand of cat litter that is nice small sized and scoopable wood shavings (small enough they sift through a typical litterbox scoop), but I actually save a TON of money by buying horse stall pine wood shavings (though scooping is more of a hunt and pick thing than and scoop and sift thing). They come in a huge 50 pound bale and it only costs $3.25. If you must use a clumping litter, don't use a clay-based one, they are toxic and dangerous for ALL cats, not just FELV+ cats. Try the brands World's Best, or Swheat Scoop. Those are both corn or wheat based, and can be digested if ingested. Feline Fresh is a wood-based clumping litter and is much safer than clay, but obviously not as digestible as the wheat or corn would be. http://www.adirondackcraft.com/XPH/nep/ManufacturerProducts.htm (non-clumping wood - and the story behind the product - one of the reasons why I think it's such a good product is the ecological mind-set of the manufacturer) http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept_id=22brand_id=60 (smaller bags sold here) Safer clumping alternatives: http://www.worldsbestcatlitter.com/products/world_best_cat_litter.php?PHPSESSID=250f17d9422e6520ec49404a19ffbd81 http://www.swheatscoop.com/ http://www.felinefresh.com/felineSc.htm Horse stall shavings: http://www.championshavings.com/samples.html (this is just one company I found online, go to your local livestock supply or horse supply store to buy locally for less $) http://www.championshavings.com/pic_pages/pg04.htm (picture of actual shavings) Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: BIG TEST QUESTION
There are no scientific studies on the topic that I am aware of. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: BIG TEST QUESTION
mostly! On 3/13/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:30 PM 3/13/2007, you wrote: Good points ..I know working in OB all the things a mom has that the baby does not get unless going through the birth canal, which is frequently a reason for C- sections,, i just want the TYPHOID MARRY attitude altered if possible,,,and then treat each cat for specific symptoms and not assume everything is FELV, i can say for certain with one FIV and one FELV..it is my other cats that drive up my vet bills with everything from CRF, DIABETES..IBD,,,and the thousands of other ailments and afflictions, I am preaching to the chiore here aren't I??? Kelly the latest stuff i've read--forgive me, those of you who want attribution, i'll find it again one of these days, really!--it may NOT primarily be passed in utero like it was once thought, but through mom's mucous membranes during the birth PROCESS, and during the nursing/cleaning/nurturing days of tinybabyhood--this might help explain why we're seeing so many mixed litters, and moms who are negative with babies who test positive at one point or another... in a colony environment, that'd make sense. i also wonder if, since a litter can have as many dads as kittens, if there's an immune-response thing that's contributed by dad. On 3/13/07, *Kelly L* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:21 PM 3/13/2007, you wrote: i just really wonder how many are just actually born with it or acquire it from their moms and are unable to throw the virus, We have finally come to realize how hard it is to get FIV and now it is time to really get some truthful answers about FELV kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com i don't think that reliable research on that exists (remember, hard to do research on a population you regularly treat with euthanasia.) what i do know, is that there are no, zip, zilch, nada DOCUMENTED cases of truly negative cats (ie, cats who were tested at appropriate intervals using more than just the snap test, more than once) who were VACCINATED ever turning positive from living closely with truly positive cats (see above description) i have heard some anecdotal stories where vaccinated cats have caught FeLV from the positive, but there's never been any proof that the cat was actually negative to start with, just as you say. if anyone can find me a documented case, i'll be unhappy, but i'd still like to see it--i find it very interesting that after all these years, no one's been able to find such documentation.. On 3/13/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if anyone out there has any reliable statistics on how many cats tested negative for FELV,,and then after living with positive kitties converted i would sure like to know, i just have this gut feeling that it is so very very few. i think frequently one cat may be positive and the others never tested unless they become ill and wow,,,they are positive,,and yet they may have been positive all their lives but just asymptomatic, Those are the valuable statistics..those are the statistics that cause healthy FELV cats to be PTS ( killed) most of us here seem to have the experience of no transmission in adult cats, The only way to be sure is if a cat was once negativeTHEN became infected,,,and positive, Kelly -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Winn Feline Foundation Announces 2007 Grant Recipients
thanks! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Junior tests
I just wanted you to know Junior is having a needle aspiration done this Friday of his lymph nodes which were enlarged at his last appointment. I called his regular vet today because I was not happy that nothing was done last Friday. I want to be proactive not reactive. His lymph nodes are swollen for one of two reasons. I think infection would be better than lymphoma. Either way he needs help. Please pray for my Junior. I upped his Transfer Factor Plus since it has anti-tumor properties. Thanks Sally --
another vaccinated positive
to whomever is keeping score just asked a friend, who has a 10-year-old positive (living quite happily with her vaccinated negatives, i might add--she wasn't tested at first, and they'd all been exposed by the time she was, but yearly she tests positive, they don't.) if katie had ever been vaccinated either before or after she was diagnosed as positive... in light of our earlier conversation re: how the longer-lived FeLV seem to have been. yep, she's been vaccinated every year since BEFORE she was vaccinated--her vet never told her not to, and she figured it couldn't hurt -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Hello, I am new to this form of discussion
Hi Cassandra, I don't think that colostrum and TF are the same thing. All formulas of TF seem to have colostrum in them, but I gather they're more than that, though perhaps not in the case of Transfer Factor Classic. It seems that Transfer Factor Plus Advanced goes far beyond the scope of basic TF, and can really boost the immune system. Unfortunately, that's also the most expensive of the TF formulas, and I'm guessing that's what you're looking at when you say it's $60 for 60 capsules. The capsules are standard gel-caps, and they're extremely easy to unscrew so that you can dump the actual TF into wet food. Lance On Mar 12, 2007, at 11:12 PM, C J wrote: Thank you for the responses all, its really informative. I haven't used Interferon yet, as my vet is still looking into it. I think Tomi is feeling a bit better today, he seemed to really like the dry Innova food and ate quite a bit, but only tasted the canned Innova. He doesn't seem to like canned food at all lately, so putting any supplements in his food is not going to work very well. I'll have to ask the vet if they have pet tinic. It would probably be easier to squirt some of that into his mouth rather than making him swallow a bunch of paste. I would like to try the Transfer Factor, and i'm probably going to order it yet, even though its $60 for 60 capsules, plus shipping. Would the Colostrum from a health food store work as well as the Transfer Factor? It sounds like the same thing, with the Transfer Factor just being more expensive. We'll see too if he'll use the paper litter, its in pellet form, and he's not exactly sure he likes the feel of it on his feet. I do have 4 other cats, so I still have clumping litter in the house, I just put Tomi and Kisa together in a separate room for the night with the alternate litter. My spirits are a little higher today after seeing that Tomi is feeling better. I just hope he can continue to pull through. Its so scary to think that he or Kisa could get so sick at any moment. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Hello, I am new to this form of discussion Hi Tomi's guardian, Sorry, what's your name? It was suspected that my Grace had Hemobart too. Belinda is right that Doxy is prescribed long-term for this. The abx retards the growth of new parasites, (doesn't actually kill it off), so it's needed longer than the usual 7-10 days to give the body a chance to destroy the infestation. My Internist wanted Grace to remain on it indefinitely. Instead I would give it to her whenever she was showing signs of anemia, at first I'd keep her on it for a month at a time. Grace too was in terrible shape when I first started medicating her with Doxy and she did bounce back. Are you the one that posted about using Interferon Alpha 7 days on and 7 days off? I know that the pulse method is a standard protocol, but whenever Grace was showing symptoms, I'd give it to her daily until she began to feel better. I've also upped the dose to as much as 3 ccs daily when they are fighting something off. I don't think the benefits of Nutri-cal are worth forcing it on Tomi. It's mostly corn syrup anyway. If he's eating, (is he eating?), then I wouldn't worry too much about fighting with him over it. I'd try mixing in a small amount of Pet-tinic, (or another multi vita sup) into his food. If the vet feels strongly about making sure Tomi has vita B12, he could give him an injection of it, (although it does sting). I order TF in a powder, I didn't even know they made TF in pill form. I've never had anyone refuse it mixed in food. I don't usually add the full amount suggested in one serving though. You can also get Tomi regular colostrum at the health food store to add to his food. It's good that you got Tomi the paper litter, you might want to try one of the corn based litters too. Just be sure and not have any of the clumping litter in the house, it's very dangerous to have them eating that. Did you buy the Innova dry or wet? So far I've never had a cat turn their nose up at the dry. One more tip for you... If Tomi's appetite is good, you might be able to hide his pills in Pill Pockets. Most of my guys won't eat the pill pocket by itself. What I do is use about half the pill pocket to form around the pill and then hide it in a small amount of something really yummy, like tuna, or meat baby food. I have one guy that will eat his pill pocketed pill if I give it to him with a couple of those nasty Temptation treats. Hang in there my dear. You are doing wonderfully. We all know how overwhelming and expensive it can be. Just do the best you can and try to keep your spirits up. Continue to make decisions from your heart and take things one day at a time.
Re: Junior tests
Prayers going up for Junior. Please keep us posted. elizabeth On 3/13/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted you to know Junior is having a needle aspiration done this Friday of his lymph nodes which were enlarged at his last appointment. I called his regular vet today because I was not happy that nothing was done last Friday. I want to be proactive not reactive. His lymph nodes are swollen for one of two reasons. I think infection would be better than lymphoma. Either way he needs help. Please pray for my Junior. I upped his Transfer Factor Plus since it has anti-tumor properties. Thanks Sally --
Re: Junior tests
At 04:57 PM 3/13/2007, you wrote: sally, we are all sending you and junior a lot of good thoughts,,,and remember, if the worse happens and it is lymphoma, it is usually very treatable. Cats also get very swollen lymph nodes from everyhting, please keep us posted, kelly I just wanted you to know Junior is having a needle aspiration done this Friday of his lymph nodes which were enlarged at his last appointment. I called his regular vet today because I was not happy that nothing was done last Friday. I want to be proactive not reactive. His lymph nodes are swollen for one of two reasons. I think infection would be better than lymphoma. Either way he needs help. Please pray for my Junior. I upped his Transfer Factor Plus since it has anti-tumor properties. Thanks Sally -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 3/12/2007
Re: another vaccinated positive
Years ago my daughter adopted a kitten, Juniper, who turned out to be FeLV positive, but by the time she was tested that was found, she had been happily living with Jonas, who at the same time tested negative, for about 6-8 weeks or so. Jonas was vaccinated but I don't think his vaccinations were kept up, knowing my daughter. Juniper only lived 3 years but she Jonas were very close. He continues to thrive. Pam TenHouseCats wrote: to whomever is keeping score just asked a friend, who has a 10-year-old positive (living quite happily with her vaccinated negatives, i might add--she wasn't tested at first, and they'd all been exposed by the time she was, but yearly she tests positive, they don't.) if katie had ever been vaccinated either before or after she was diagnosed as positive... in light of our earlier conversation re: how the longer-lived FeLV seem to have been. yep, she's been vaccinated every year since BEFORE she was vaccinated--her vet never told her not to, and she figured it couldn't hurt -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: another vaccinated positive
Yeow. Maybe that's the trick - to vaccinate them. On Mar 13, 2007, at 7:20 PM, TenHouseCats wrote: to whomever is keeping score just asked a friend, who has a 10-year-old positive (living quite happily with her vaccinated negatives, i might add--she wasn't tested at first, and they'd all been exposed by the time she was, but yearly she tests positive, they don't.) if katie had ever been vaccinated either before or after she was diagnosed as positive... in light of our earlier conversation re: how the longer-lived FeLV seem to have been. yep, she's been vaccinated every year since BEFORE she was vaccinated--her vet never told her not to, and she figured it couldn't hurt -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
